A Kingdom Hearts Disney Plus CGI series is rumored to be in the works
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- Published on May 26, 2020 @ 08:45 pm
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Rumors of a Disney Plus series based on Kingdom Hearts have been circulating the internet for a few weeks now. Skyler Shuler of the DisInsider has claimed that a Kingdom Hearts Disney Plus animated CGI television series is in development.
Shuler claims that the original voice actors are slated to return including Jim Cummings, Bill Farmer, and Tony Anselmo. Emre Kaya, writer at the Cinema Spot, tweeted that Square Enix was tapped to create the pilot for the series on Unreal Engine and that casting for the series is currently underway.
Despite the various reliable sources confirming this show is in development, an official announcement has not yet been made by Disney or Square Enix.
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If it's being made in collaboration with SE or at least a close adaption of the games, then I'll be more open to the idea.
If it's not, however:
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Updated OP. SE was apparently tapped to create the pilot on Unreal Engine.
Updated OP. SE was apparently tapped to create the pilot on Unreal Engine.
I know me wanting Haley is pure nostalgia cause he does not sound like a 10 year old no matter how many voice lessons he gets. Riku and Kairi sound the same.
This was my literal nightmare. I don't trust Nomura on this. I trust him with FF7R, I trust him with whatever tf Verum Rex is the next KH game...I love Advent Children Complete despite the fact that it is not a good film lol, but I don't trust him with this.
I just don't. I've made a hundred different uncomfortable faces in the last hour.
Updated OP. SE was apparently tapped to create the pilot on Unreal Engine.
Oh, well then.
This was my literal nightmare. I don't trust Nomura on this. I trust him with FF7R, I trust him with whatever tf Verum Rex is the next KH game...I love Advent Children Complete despite the fact that it is not a good film lol, but I don't trust him with this.
I just don't. I've made a hundred different uncomfortable faces in the last hour.
Oh...is Nomura involved with the tv series....? that's...uhhh....great....
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Oh...is Nomura involved with the tv series....? that's...uhhh....great....
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If it is to be believed, SE was the one tapped to work on the pilot so...probably. Yeah. Feels rather foregone considering...y'know...nobody else at the company is going to touch KH in regards to creative direction...
I'm still very hesitant about this no matter what I hear. Kingdom Hearts, in my mind, just cannot work as a TV series, at least not a good one. Most KH fans tend to agree that the story and the writing are among the weaker elements of the series, especially when you consider that 70-80% of the grand narrative is just watered-down retellings of already popular Disney films with original characters shoehorned in.
It could feasibly work as something intended for people who are already fans of the series, if they make it a story that's canon and relevant to the games. Otherwise, if the conceit is just to have an unconnected episodic series of Sora, Donald, and Goofy travelling to a new Disney world every episode, then I just don't see how it could realistically work.
And frankly, I'm not enthusiastic about the show's potential regarding the writing, either. I mean, we all know Nomura ain't no writer. If we take X Back Cover as an example of what we might see with KH translated to a TV medium, then frankly I'm not interested. Dialogue in the KH series blows, I hate to say it but it's true.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't Nomura say that Disney wanted to make a movie for KH instead of being so involved with KH3? Because if so, the bit about the UE4 pilot just makes this whole thing even more plausible.
I have wanted a KH TV series for years now. Specifically an anime adaptation of the manga, so this likely still isn't what I want. But there absolutely is potential here imo. I want Square Enix and Nomura involved, but I dunno HOW involved. I also dunno if I trust Disney to hire the right kind of people to work on this. I just have so many questions and theories, because this could go anywhere. I'm excited, but i'm also scared, confused, and dunno what to make of any of this.
Can we just have a new House of Mouse series and have Sora and crew make appearances or something? Thanks.
I'm going to be optimistic here and assume that this is going to be a reimagining of the franchise. Keep the characters and certain lore elements intact but change it up here and there with the story so that it's more fitting for streaming.
It also makes sense from a business perspective to differentiate the lore of games from the lore of this potential Disney+ series. Diversification is the name of the game for these intellectual properties and Kingdom Hearts is no stranger to that. They already have a manga series that deviates from the games so it wouldn't be the first time we had an alternate Kingdom Hearts depiction.
They're casting? God I hate my agent.
Watch it turn out Nomura hasn't been told about this.
I'm surprised that (so far) this seems to be the best way they could be doing this. Of course there's still an incredible amount of unknowns and I'll continue to be generally apprehensive about the idea, but I'm more open to it than I thought I would be.
This reads more like bad news than good news to me. Hopefully it’s a rumor, because I simply have no confidence in Nomura handling an animated series.
Was hoping for traditional animation if true. Oh well.
Guess I need to know what the adaptation would be about before getting excited. Whether it's a reimagining or a side story to the game series
Yeah, I am very torn on this. On the one hand, it would be cool if only just to see what a reimagining of the series could be, and maybe a chance to tell the story in a less convoluted way. On the other hand, I agree with others that KH probably would not work well as a television series. I guess we will have to wait and see how things go.
This reads more like bad news than good news to me. Hopefully it’s a rumor, because I simply have no confidence in Nomura handling an animated series.
If he has en editor for the animated series, maybe it can be medium with better storytelling
And frankly, I'm not enthusiastic about the show's potential regarding the writing, either. I mean, we all know Nomura ain't no writer. If we take X Back Cover as an example of what we might see with KH translated to a TV medium, then frankly I'm not interested. Dialogue in the KH series blows, I hate to say it but it's true.
He's not the one who writes the dialogue in the first place. He just outlines the plot points and makes all the lore. That doesn't excuse him from okaying it as the Director of course. But then again, I dunno if he even oversees the English translation.
Watch it turn out Nomura hasn't been told about this.
...........That's a good thing.
If it's like the manga adaptations then I'm cool, as those are the best ways to view KH for me. Still... I have mixed feelings about this. I don't know if I should be excited about this or worried sick. If they did it like how SirSkyward Wing suggested and they be like the Mickey Shorts with gags involving Sora and friends then I'm all for it, just like the manga. I'm approaching this with strong caution.
Based Nomura back in the director's chair, baby!
If it's like the manga adaptations then I'm cool, as those are the best ways to view KH for me. Still... I have mixed feelings about this. I don't know if I should be excited about this or worried sick. If they did it like how SirSkyward Wing suggested and they be like the Mickey Shorts with gags involving Sora and friends then I'm all for it, just like the manga. I'm approaching this with strong caution.
Honestly basing it off the Manga is probably the best way for them to make a KH series. Especially if the tv series takes place in KH1 as the cancelled animated adaptation intended.
As much as I want this I also don't see how it can work out.
I love KH's story but it honestly isn't that great. It could be with the right writers, but I can't see it getting a second season if it's anything like the writing in KH 3.
Watch it turn out Nomura hasn't been told about this.
While this would be the best outcome, Square was called on to do the pilot (which may be redone by a different studio, as this could be a proof of concept) so he would know.
I'm personally hoping, no praying it's a What If? series or a series of Mickey Mouse Works style shorts that don't have much bearing on the overall plot.
Could you imagine if Nomura was spearheading the project? He would probably retell the plot of the series and then make that AU relevant to the main series.
Now, if this was just an animated retelling of the games like how we get animated adaptations of various comic books like the DCAU, then I'll be okay with it.
He's not the one who writes the dialogue in the first place. He just outlines the plot points and makes all the lore. That doesn't excuse him from okaying it as the Director of course. But then again, I dunno if he even oversees the English translation.
Uhh...so...that was actually proven false. Nomura also does the scripting lol
--You're writing the scenario yourself? Nomura: When it comes to the scenario, including the script, in the end I write everything myself. That's not just for Toy Box. I haven't made this public before, but after KH2 generally everything was written by me, especially KH 358/2 Days. --I see. I had thought that you assemble the plot, and then the script and other small details were assigned to someone else. Nomura: That is how it was in the beginning. However, ever since KH2, roughly speaking I will create the outline of the scenario myself, and then (Masaru) Oka will take that and create a springboard scenario, including dialogue, that takes into consideration requests from the level design team. Then after that, I write the final manuscript myself. That's the general flow. Other staff have worked on the scenario in the past, but the KH series lore is complicated, and when lots of people are involved it gets hard to keep everyone updated on it all. In the end, I'm the one with the best grasp on it, so that's why we ended up with the style we have today. |
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You guys remember the third line he mentioned in the UX letter?
Nomura: When it comes to the scenario, including the script, in the end I write everything myself. That's not just for Toy Box. I haven't made this public before, but after KH2 generally everything was written by me, especially KH 358/2 Days.
Oh. TIL.
I will create the outline of the scenario myself, and then (Masaru) Oka will take that and create a springboard scenario, including dialogue, that takes into consideration requests from the level design team. Then after that, I write the final manuscript myself.
Wait doesn't that mean he technically bases his script on Oka's stuff? Or am I misinterpreting this?
I want this to be true AND that Nomura is handling the story, so everyone can be upset and in an uproar before even watching the first damn episode, ACTUALLY watch what they put out when it's officially released, and then go, "Hey, that was actually pretty good." This train is never late lmao, can't wait. Let the next Kingdom Hearts era begin.
You guys remember the third line he mentioned in the UX letter?
Oh. TIL.
Wait doesn't that mean he technically bases his script on Oka's stuff? Or am I misinterpreting this?
It’s collaborative for the most part, but the implication here is that he does the important aspects then Oka makes the full script then Nomura goes in and does his own final rewrite.
The dialogue and writing is consistent enough between Days all the way to KH3 despite the various scenario writers like Daisuke Watababe, Tomoco Kanemaki, and Masaru Oka working on the games to show that Nomura‘s probably writing the bulk of the main character dialogue.
Not really excited about this...
I will try to be open minded and give it a chance.
Hopefully it works as a form of a reboot/it's own independent thing and recaptures the storytelling and charm KH1 had
Has anyone considered this could be a new story / continuation and/or branching of the ongoing canon? Could be related to the “3rd line” Nomura mentioned.
That’s my hope at least, if this is to be believed. The prospect of a re-imagining of the series scares me.
Has anyone considered this could be a new story / continuation and/or branching of the ongoing canon? Could be related to the “3rd line” Nomura mentioned.
That’s my hope at least, if this is to be believed. The prospect of a re-imagining of the series scares me.
That would suck for fans who are invested in the games yet dont want to get a Disney+ account, lol
Was hoping for traditional animation if true. Oh well.
Guess I need to know what the adaptation would be about before getting excited. Whether it's a reimagining or a side story to the game series
Whatever the series winds up being, I'm scared either way.
I don’t think it’ll branch too far out from what we have had in the games. For the pilot, I imagine they chose Square with Unreal Engine 4 so they can reused a whole bunch of assets
and make it on the cheap.
They have Destiny Islands built, they have Sora and Riku’s KH1 models, they have Donald, Goofy, Minnie, Daisy, and Pluto’s models. They just need to make Kairi’s KH1 model, as well as Tidus, Selphie, and Wakka.
While this would be the best outcome, Square was called on to do the pilot (which may be redone by a different studio, as this could be a proof of concept) so he would know.
I don’t think it’ll branch too far out from what we have had in the games. For the pilot, I imagine they chose Square with Unreal Engine 4 so they can reused a whole bunch of assets
and make it on the cheap.
They have Destiny Islands built, they have Sora and Riku’s KH1 models, they have Donald, Goofy, Minnie, Daisy, and Pluto’s models. They just need to make Kairi’s KH1 model, as well as Tidus, Selphie, and Wakka.
If they do reuse KH3's assets, they better remake KH1 Sora because that thing is ugly as sin.
That would suck for fans who are invested in the games yet dont want to get a Disney+ account, lol
Why are people opposed to Nomura handling the story exactly? Directing games I understand, but I would take an original story from Nomura over reexperiencing KH1 and the story so far for the 99th time
Has anyone considered this could be a new story / continuation and/or branching of the ongoing canon? Could be related to the “3rd line” Nomura mentioned.
That’s my hope at least, if this is to be believed. The prospect of a re-imagining of the series scares me.
Right. Nobody knows what this will be, we don't even have a confirmation that it's real. This could literally be Kingdom Hearts: Dark Road -The Anime- if that's what Nomura wants to do (assuming he knows about this). Or even touching on the Keyblade War from UX, but actually in a format that's not 5 minutes total of new information every month. Or, Mickey's journey from Post-BBS to KH1. There's a lot of angles to approach this, if Disney isn't aiming for brand new fans with this and Nomura's on board.
Now, if it's a re-imagining... Chances are, it's non-canon (since Nomura ultimately decides this) and you're more or less getting the same KH1 story unless he ties in KH3 Remind and Yozora in... Which he absolutely would.
If they tapped Square Enix for the assets and everything, I'd imagine we'd be getting something that looked similar to how KH3 looked. Unless they're bringing back the old KH3 style from the grave, the style where everyone looked more cartoonish, which would actually be pretty cool.
That would suck for fans who are invested in the games yet dont want to get a Disney+ account, lol
They're getting off easy, at least they didn't have to buy a PSP, DS, a 3DS and a capable smartphone just to get the latest story lmao. Going out of your way for new KH lore is like a rite of passage, and realize that the true lore was the friends we made along the way.
That is if FF characters will even be in it....
I thought about that, but those three have been thrown into CoM and Re:coded so they are a part of Destiny Island’s history, so omitting them from a retelling would be odd (as opposed to not including FF characters in an upcoming story).
Square went to efforts to make worlds in KH3 be populated, so I hope that would be reflected in this show. But yeah, depends if Disney is like “but we don’t want Final Fantasy in our Disney show”
Why are people opposed to Nomura handling the story exactly? Directing games I understand, but I would take an original story from Nomura over reexperiencing KH1 and the story so far for the 99th time
Because people like jumping to conclusions and it's cool to hate Nomura lately, lol. People are gonna disagree with me about it, but ever since KH3 came out (or even with DDD), they've wanted to send that man to the pastures. ?♂️ I can understand not being a fan of some of the creative decisions he's made in recent years, but he's still the reason why this series is as great as it is. The way how some word it though, I'm like damn, maybe it's time to move on to a different series or something. Cause some people talk crazy when it comes to that guy.
I'm intrigued to see if this ends up happening. I know the popular thing would be to focus on one of the main trios, but I actually wouldn't mind seeing UX being made into an animated series. It would be one way of getting around remaking UX into a console game. Also might be a good way to draw in new fans too if they saw it from the technical beginning of the story. I'm not currently subscribed to Disney Plus but I would definitely sign up if this (and that rumored Tron series) ends up happening.
If I recall the one time Nomura wrote dialogue from the start was 358/2 Days, where he did nothing but write alone for two weeks from start to finish while living off canned food.
And once he was finished he never wanted to do it again.
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If I recall the one time Nomura wrote dialogue from the start was 358/2 Days, where he did nothing but write alone for two weeks from start to finish while living off canned food.
And once he was finished he never wanted to do it again.
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Haha, doesn’t seem like that opinion lasted long because he went ahead and did it with the other games and seems rather proud of his work on KH3.
And I mean he should be. I thought his dialogue writing in KH3 is the best in the series so far.
I think something good to potentially come of this is that any new assets could be easily carried over to future games if it’s built in UE4. Of course, that won’t really matter if they only do the pilot to show a concept like Chaser suggested. But would the animation look like standard KH cutscenes or like the fancier pre rendered scenes like the Let It Go scene. Not even sure if VisualWorks or whoever does those uses UE4 or not. Feel free to educate me.
Also, I wonder if we’d get a new Dearly Beloved arrangement or a Utada song for the show’s opening credits. Or something else entirely... like Sora singing an original Alan Menken song. ?
I think something good to potentially come of this is that any new assets could be easily carried over to future games if it’s built in UE4. Of course, that won’t really matter if they only do the pilot to show a concept like Chaser suggested. But would the animation look like standard KH cutscenes or like the fancier pre rendered scenes like the Let It Go scene. Not even sure if VisualWorks or whoever does those uses UE4 or not. Feel free to educate me.
Also, I wonder if we’d get a new Dearly Beloved arrangement or a Utada song for the show’s opening credits. Or something else entirely... like Sora singing an original Alan Menken song. ?
.......y'know, I wouldn't be obliged if the series is like those musical series like uhhh...Phineas & Ferb, for example. Not only Disney songs, but original songs or solos sung by characters like Sora, Riku, Xion, Jesse McCartney, .....I kinda want a villain song sung by Xehanort now.
On one hand, It would be interesting. On the other hand....ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it might not go well.
Guys, the CGI in KH3 was done in UE4. Nomura stated this.
I think something good to potentially come of this is that any new assets could be easily carried over to future games if it’s built in UE4. Of course, that won’t really matter if they only do the pilot to show a concept like Chaser suggested. But would the animation look like standard KH cutscenes or like the fancier pre rendered scenes like the Let It Go scene. Not even sure if VisualWorks or whoever does those uses UE4 or not. Feel free to educate me.
Visual Works uses animation industry-standard software like Maya, Autodesk 3DS Max, Houdini, and so forth. They also likely have their own in-house stuff that most larger CG animation houses have.
I imagine they have training in UE4, but it wouldn’t be their go-to engine.
This definitely sounds like development staff and not Visual Works.
I'm still approaching the news with caution, but I could dig a CG series if it doesn't look all that different from the openings.
If this is an adaptation starting with the first game I wonder if Pete will appear here earlier than his KH2 introduction? Jim Cummings was listed along with Tony and Bill Farmer
If this is an adaptation starting with the first game I wonder if Pete will appear here earlier than his KH2 introduction? Jim Cummings was listed along with Tony and Bill Farmer
Could be for the Cheshire Cat in Wonderland since that world appeared earlier than 100 Acre Woods.
Edit: I will say that, if this is legit, since Disney would be moving ahead they would be getting people signed on to the series. Cummings would have signed on regardless for KH1 for the characters I mentioned above. It’s not a sign of “maybe this character would be in it” or “they’ve signed on early so maybe this will happen earlier.” They’d be getting those contracts done now, which would be why Cummings would be signed on already.
Jim Cummings was listed along with Tony and Bill Farmer
Jim has a lot of range, so really anything from background roles to Xi Jinping.
Grace Randolph also talked about the rumoured KH Disney+ series on Twitter:
You could include her as another source in the article.
Grace Randolph also talked about the rumoured KH Disney+ series on Twitter:
You could include her as another source in the article.
No. She might be reputable but I do not condone her thinly-veiled rhetoric.
Edit: She is also contributing nothing to the discussion. Other sources provided more detailed information on the project. She's just going 'tee-her look at that I KNEW FIRST" like okay.
So Jim Cummings voices the most Disney characters in the entire series? Good for him
No. She might be reputable but I do not condone her thinly-veiled rhetoric.
Edit: She is also contributing nothing to the discussion. Other sources provided more detailed information on the project. She's just going 'tee-her look at that I KNEW FIRST" like okay.
Oh Grace Randolph has terrible beliefs? That's a shame, she seemed like a nice lady whenever I watched her on Youtube
If this is true I wonder if they'll skip Deep Jungle or replace it with something. Though I'd hate for this to be another canon thing to the series for us to follow to get into KH4 and the next saga, lol.
I’ll never forget her Jurassic World review. She criticized BD Wong for making Dr Wu sound effeminate or gay because he is in real life. After that I made it my mission not have her in my feed, so yeah Grace is not that sound of mind.
Oh Grace Randolph has terrible beliefs? That's a shame, she seemed like a nice lady whenever I watched her on Youtube
I used to think so too. I liked watching her analysis of films. Then I started noticing she has some pretty borderline coded language about "racebending" and she went on a full-on racist rant about Lady being played by Tessa Thompson was SJW "racebending" diversity that went to far. She deleted the tweets and tried to make a positive video about Bird of Prey and The Little Mermaid about how "racebending" there is good and necessary, but it is 100% bs because she uses a lot of coded language in the video. She tries to appeal to the anti-SJW crowd and also says a lot of misogynistic stuff about women.
So like who is Grace? Is she a credible source? Doesn't sound like it from what I'm hearing here lol.
So like who is Grace? Is she a credible source? Doesn't sound like it from what I'm hearing here lol.
the person who made up the seven wonders of Twilight Town is more reliable.
So like who is Grace? Is she a credible source? Doesn't sound like it from what I'm hearing here lol.
She has been right on some occasions about Marvel, DC, and Disney news. She has also been very wrong on occasions, so she isn't consistent. She does have a number of inside sources and she used to work for Marvel for a very brief period of time.
She isn't a source I would ever use just because I think she's an awful person and is hiding her true beliefs behind coded language and will flip-flop her personal beliefs to keep her audience appeased. I put her at the level of a pap. They get stuff right but they are slimy sleuths.
Because people like jumping to conclusions and it's cool to hate Nomura lately, lol. People are gonna disagree with me about it, but ever since KH3 came out (or even with DDD), they've wanted to send that man to the pastures. ?♂️ I can understand not being a fan of some of the creative decisions he's made in recent years, but he's still the reason why this series is as great as it is. The way how some word it though, I'm like damn, maybe it's time to move on to a different series or something. Cause some people talk crazy when it comes to that guy.
Yeah I agree, I can perfectly understand people disliking some of the story decisions that Nomura makes and thinking the story is unnecessarily too complex (I mean I've been a fan for a while and have played every game at least twice and I too forget somethings and how everything connects to each other). But I would say overall the positives of this series tends to outweigh the negatives, even if you have issues with the story Nomura still manages to keep the overarching plot interesting enough to make you want to know what happens next. Not to mention the multiple likable and relatable characters the series has, plus the generally good gameplay with high replay value the games tend to have, and the well-composed and memorable emotion-invoking musical scores composed by Shimomura that all the games have. I also enjoy the quality of the 3D animation for the characters and their character designs in general (I really like the way all the Xehanorts look).
But then I go on YouTube or some KH forum and I see a bunch of people blasting Nomura like he's the Antichrist. As if he is solely responsible for all of the negatives of the series, and none of its positives have anything to do with him at all. Like I know Nomura has issues when it comes to consistency with his writing but jeez, some people act like he hurt them on a personal level and destroyed their childhood entirely. It makes me wonder if I'm just delusional and I'm an outlier for not hating on Nomura sometimes lol. I know people will disagree, but that's fine, everyone has their own viewpoints on things I just don't think Nomura deserves the hate I see him getting a lot.
Anyway, as for the actual topic of the thread. I don't know how I feel about a Disney Plus KH series yet to be honest. This could be some random episodic series of just SDG running around from Disney world to Disney world not doing much that is entirely non-canon. In which case, I probably wouldn't be too interested in it. But this could also be another retelling that focuses more on the story and development of the characters like the manga does, basically a manga adaptation, in which that would be really cool and interesting. So honestly I don't know how I feel yet, all I know is I hope that whatever comes of this is something good in the end.
the person who made up the seven wonders of Twilight Town is more reliable.
She has been right on some occasions about Marvel, DC, and Disney news. She has also been very wrong on occasions, so she isn't consistent. She does have a number of inside sources and she used to work for Marvel for a very brief period of time.
She isn't a source I would ever use just because I think she's an awful person and is hiding her true beliefs behind coded language and will flip-flop her personal beliefs to keep her audience appeased. I put her at the level of a pap. They get stuff right but they are slimy sleuths.
I see, so shouldn't take her words seriously. I wonder when/if this will get the official word. I'm anxious/nervous to learn if this is true or not. I won't be able to sleep at all tonight! This will be a true Night of Fate moment for me.
Apparently, the guy who said that SE was tapped to work on it and make a pilot in UE4 said in the same tweet that the reason that SE's doing it is cuz Disney originally wanted to make the series, but it didn't work out.
Wonder why it didn't...if this whole thing turns out to be true.
If this is true I wonder if they'll skip Deep Jungle or replace it with something. Though I'd hate for this to be another canon thing to the series for us to follow to get into KH4 and the next saga, lol.
Honestly, I'd rather follow a canon TV series for lore than another mobile game. At least TV shows have decent length episodes that come out on a defined and reasonable schedule.
I honestly don't know what to make of this if this is true. Disney handling anything to do with KH outside of merchandising without SE's involvement worries me. If these rumors are true I really hope the TV show follows at least the basic premise of the KH story line and doesn't turn out like another V-CAST fiasco.
Apparently, the guy who said that SE was tapped to work on it and make a pilot in UE4 said in the same tweet that the reason that SE's doing it is cuz Disney originally wanted to make the series, but it didn't work out.
Wonder why it didn't...if this whole thing turns out to be true.
I imagine the pool of easily-accessible creative showrunners and writers who know what KH is might be pretty low for one thing, especially ones that are talented enough to make it all work. It's probably even harder to get a creative team on board with the project since it requires extensive research and patience, and then hope that they like the concept enough to work on said project.
Without actually asking for open pitches or requesting pilots from a wider pool of talent, it's just going to keep running into a wall constantly. Disney doesn't take unsolicited pitches, either.
Not to mention Disney likely wanted to keep such a project under wraps (load of good that did if this rumor is true) and probably wanted to keep SE involved...It probably just became obvious that the only way to move forward with a project is to have SE do it themselves since it's their creation. They know the IP better than anybody, even Disney.
To me, that just tells me that there needs to be somebody hired at Disney who is an expert in KH from top to bottom and they exist to assist in stuff like this.
I honestly don't know what to make of this if this is true. Disney handling anything to do with KH outside of merchandising without SE's involvement worries me. If these rumors are true I really hope the TV show follows at least the basic premise of the KH story line and doesn't turn out like another V-CAST fiasco.
I mean, if you read the article/OP and the sources there, it shows that SE is apparently on this project themselves...
Welp, one big fear. Can't wait for this to be a retelling of KH1 with all sorts of retroactive stuff added to it.
Or better yet, a completely new story that is now required for understanding the plot.
Also, I don't think I'll be a fan if they go for the KH3 style cgi. Make it 0.2 and I'm at least graphically sold
So Jim Cummings voices the most Disney characters in the entire series? Good for him
Don't Forget that Corey Burton also has voiced the MOST characters in the KH series, besides Jim. In fact Corey voiced so many different characters in the KH games such as Yen Sid, Dale, Sark, The MCP, Captain Hook, Frollo, Ansem the Wise (in Re: Chain of Memories then BBS onwards), among many others.
Don't Forget that Corey Burton also has voiced the MOST characters in the KH series, besides Jim. In fact Corey voiced so many different characters in the KH games such as Yen Sid, Dale, Sark, The MCP, Captain Hook, Frollo, Ansem the Wise (in Re: Chain of Memories then BBS onwards), among many others.
also this guy.
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Also, I don't think I'll be a fan if they go for the KH3 style cgi. Make it 0.2 and I'm at least graphically sold
Uh... 0.2 looked worse though. They were still in the midst of fine tuning everything. Just look at it.
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Not even the same lighting they use in 3.
Heck I'll let the evolution of 0.2 Kairi speak for itself:
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Yeah I agree, I can perfectly understand people disliking some of the story decisions that Nomura makes and thinking the story is unnecessarily too complex (I mean I've been a fan for a while and have played every game at least twice and I too forget somethings and how everything connects to each other). But I would say overall the positives of this series tends to outweigh the negatives, even if you have issues with the story Nomura still manages to keep the overarching plot interesting enough to make you want to know what happens next. Not to mention the multiple likable and relatable characters the series has, plus the generally good gameplay with high replay value the games tend to have, and the well-composed and memorable emotion-invoking musical scores composed by Shimomura that all the games have. I also enjoy the quality of the 3D animation for the characters and their character designs in general (I really like the way all the Xehanorts look).
But then I go on YouTube or some KH forum and I see a bunch of people blasting Nomura like he's the Antichrist. As if he is solely responsible for all of the negatives of the series, and none of its positives have anything to do with him at all. Like I know Nomura has issues when it comes to consistency with his writing but jeez, some people act like he hurt them on a personal level and destroyed their childhood entirely. It makes me wonder if I'm just delusional and I'm an outlier for not hating on Nomura sometimes lol. I know people will disagree, but that's fine, everyone has their own viewpoints on things I just don't think Nomura deserves the hate I see him getting a lot.
Anyway, as for the actual topic of the thread. I don't know how I feel about a Disney Plus KH series yet to be honest. This could be some random episodic series of just SDG running around from Disney world to Disney world not doing much that is entirely non-canon. In which case, I probably wouldn't be too interested in it. But this could also be another retelling that focuses more on the story and development of the characters like the manga does, basically a manga adaptation, in which that would be really cool and interesting. So honestly I don't know how I feel yet, all I know is I hope that whatever comes of this is something good in the end.
Exactly. Am I saying to drink the Nomura Kool-Aid and accept everything he puts out, regardless of whether you personally like it or not? Of course not. The guy's wriing has flaws. But, you're absolutely right -- he's brought more good into the franchise than bad, and the only real offence you can argue that exists is DDD. (And even DDD is overly hated, it's nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be.)
It's clear that Nomura isn't on his Stephen King shit when he's writing; he's not a perfect writer. However, when he nails it (and he DOES nail it more often than he misses), it's one of the highlights of the series. He's the reason why every game is filled with mystery and why the lore is so fascinating. He's why the characters are filled with life. People think the guy is such a shit writer when KHUX has the best writing to date, and if this were to ever get a console release, it'd probably be one of the best games in the series if they made the battle system KH3-style (or similar).
But y'know, I've seen people bash him under the guise of "feedback", but I never bought it. I've seen people say "KH3 is trash and Nomura is done", but still want to hang around the fandom. I've seen big name youtubers shit on the franchise's writing like it's the worst thing in the world, but then refuse to walk away from it. Everyone thinks they can write a better KH story, and maybe some of them genuinely can, but it wouldn't be the Kingdom Hearts I fell in love with. That's why I said in a different post that I'd never tell a creative to "play it safe". I'm a fan of the stories HE wants to tell, and if I end up not being a fan of that particular story, that's on me.
I wouldn't want to play something he only made because other people would like it, and he himself didn't have his heart in it. Same goes for the other game directors who I appreciate. Even musicians, movie directors and other leaders in their art forms. I appreciate art that's true to their vision. It's better to stick to your guns and deliver what you believe in, over trying to please everyone and end up pleasing no one lol. But this goes beyond the scope of the thread.
She isn't a source I would ever use just because I think she's an awful person and is hiding her true beliefs behind coded language and will flip-flop her personal beliefs to keep her audience appeased. I put her at the level of a pap. They get stuff right but they are slimy sleuths.
Woah woah woah, what exactly are we talking about when you're mentioning "true beliefs"? I know you mentioned that she's racist and homophobic, but like... Alt-Right levels??
Either way, that's one source of info I won't be taking seriously. As a POC, I'm beyond tired. I'll just wait for Square Enix or Disney to actually confirm it themselves.
Uh... 0.2 looked worse though. They were still in the midst of fine tuning everything. Just look at it.
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Not even the same lighting they use in 3.
Heck I'll let the evolution of 0.2 Kairi speak for itself:
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yeesh i forgot how bad that model was at first
It probably just became obvious that the only way to move forward with a project is to have SE do it themselves since it's their creation. They know the IP better than anybody, even Disney.
To me, that just tells me that there needs to be somebody hired at Disney who is an expert in KH from top to bottom and they exist to assist in stuff like this.
Disney should hire you for this lol
I'm cautiously excited.
I don't much see the point in a cg show with game graphics, show, especially if it's just a retelling/reboot of the series from the very beginning. Just go watch the cutscenes on Youtube, then...
I'd MUCH prefer a live-action series that could be taken more seriously and probably appeal to a much larger audience... Hire some highly skilled writers to yank out the many kinks in the series and try not to let the lore get so convoluted. Put in resources similar to The Mandalorian and some strong casting, and I think you could nail it. I've fantasized about this for too long.
The possibility of Square/Nomura being involved is very worrisome to me. He's just too self indulgent, and 'd imagine that he'd stifle the creativity of other involved producers, writers, and directors.
I don't much see the point in a cg show with game graphics, show, especially if it's just a retelling/reboot of the series from the very beginning. Just go watch the cutscenes on Youtube, then...
Accessibility. Plus the cutscenes are disjointed because they're obviously segmented by gameplay. Everglow is an amazing example of what you can get if you were to streamline all of the events so far in the right order, but that's a huge undertaking and it's still not the easiest method of getting into the series.
Plus, there's a difference in what they can do as an actual TV series vs. only cutscenes. There's a lot of possibilities that could be done with this format. Idunno if you've seen this thread, but there was one a while ago where people wanted a TV series for Kingdom Hearts where it's essentially a slice-of-life anime. So stuff like Sora, Kairi and Riku chilling by the beach, RAX hanging out in Twilight Town with Hayner, Pence and Olette. TAV having random hijinks at the Land of Departure. With a series, you can get away with this. In a game, you can't, because pacing is a issue.
Imagine an episode where Roxas is having sleeping problems, so he goes to Ven because... y'know... and ridiculousness ensues. Or Axel having a crush on Aqua, but he doesn't know what to say to her, so he asks Kairi and Xion for advice (two who have absolutely zero experience in this). They're silly ideas, but that's honestly all it could be! Just little shorts, similar to RWBY Chibi.
Accessibility. Plus the cutscenes are disjointed because they're obviously segmented by gameplay. Everglow is an amazing example of what you can get if you were to streamline all of the events so far in the right order, but that's a huge undertaking and it's still not the easiest method of getting into the series.
Plus, there's a difference in what they can do as an actual TV series vs. only cutscenes. There's a lot of possibilities that could be done with this format. Idunno if you've seen this thread, but there was one a while ago where people wanted a TV series for Kingdom Hearts where it's essentially a slice-of-life anime. So stuff like Sora, Kairi and Riku chilling by the beach, RAX hanging out in Twilight Town with Hayner, Pence and Olette. TAV having random hijinks at the Land of Departure. With a series, you can get away with this. In a game, you can't, because pacing is a issue.
Imagine an episode where Roxas is having sleeping problems, so he goes to Ven because... y'know... and ridiculousness ensues. Or Axel having a crush on Aqua, but he doesn't know what to say to her, so he asks Kairi and Xion for advice (two who have absolutely zero experience in this). They're silly ideas, but that's honestly all it could be! Just little shorts, similar to RWBY Chibi.
Well, you're not necessarily wrong lol...
I was kind of generalizing. I think it'd be too redundant to basically just redo the series from scratch with more modern graphics and then not really do anything differently. I think any hypothetical show needs to have itself in a position where it can take creative liberties to remix plot points, omit certain things, add in new details, and especially take the time to do the world building that the games simply do not have the time to do.
While I think an entire show devoted to slice-of-life anime shenanigans would be an insulting undermining of the potential of this vast and exciting universe, I would definitely love to partake in occasional episodes that allow themselves to explore that genre inbetween larger stories.
This is why despite the obvious difficulties in animating Mickey & co., I think live action would better lend itself to a KH show at this stage. Because we agree that a show that can all kinds of things that games can't, I assert that even if this were essentially just a copy & paste job of the existing story, scenes, and character arcs, live action portrayals of these scenes would permit an actor to explore range that animated graphics still struggle with (especially KH!). I also think that a lot of the series' fight scenes could be choreographed in a much more exciting manner in live action than in any type of animation, because you'd have to ground the action in a way that defies the modern floatiness of the games' present combat, and would also allow for more intimate interactions between the characters if they're responding to actors, rather than partially scripted programs limited by their animations and the players skillset. I find it very hard for action in animation to build actual tension. The hits are more real in live action, even in over-the-top action-adventure blockbusters.
Unless it's filling in gaps from the games' story, I just don't see the point in a CG animated series. While I wouldn't prefer it to live action, I can at least find appeal in a hand-drawn animation because, with talented enough artists, that can at least take visual liberties and more easily set a unique tone and aesthetic in each environment. Trying to do that in CG takes up too many resources with all of the necessary assets.
So, yeah, I'm not keen on a cg series. If that's what we're getting, then I hope it's more an anthology series, with each arc focusing on another under-developed b-plot from the games (ie: Ansem the Wise's time spent experimenting on the heart and the citizenry of Radiant Garden and the eventual overtaking by Terranort as one of his apprentices; the induction of Marluxia, Larxene, Demyx, and Luxord into Organization 13; etc.). Something like that would have narrative potential.
I thought about that, but those three have been thrown into CoM and Re:coded so they are a part of Destiny Island’s history, so omitting them from a retelling would be odd (as opposed to not including FF characters in an upcoming story).
Square went to efforts to make worlds in KH3 be populated, so I hope that would be reflected in this show. But yeah, depends if Disney is like “but we don’t want Final Fantasy in our Disney show”
If this series is a retelling then they should create original characters new to the series to substitute the Final Fantasy characters.
It'd be a rights and merchandising nightmare to have Square Enix owned characters be integral to a Disney+ show. Disney as of late prefers to do as much of their creative content as in-house as possible, they only partner if it's just not possible to create something or to penetrate a market themselves. It's why they went back to licensing when games publishing failed them.
This can end up being good, but it will probably end up being unremarkable as hell, and I fear (since this is making directly by SE), that Nomura ends up making this a canon necessary addition to the series story like UX.
Don't have my hopes up for it, but let's see what comes out of this. Would preffer they focus their efforts on making the next games.
Accessibility. Plus the cutscenes are disjointed because they're obviously segmented by gameplay. Everglow is an amazing example of what you can get if you were to streamline all of the events so far in the right order, but that's a huge undertaking and it's still not the easiest method of getting into the series.
Plus, there's a difference in what they can do as an actual TV series vs. only cutscenes. There's a lot of possibilities that could be done with this format. Idunno if you've seen this thread, but there was one a while ago where people wanted a TV series for Kingdom Hearts where it's essentially a slice-of-life anime. So stuff like Sora, Kairi and Riku chilling by the beach, RAX hanging out in Twilight Town with Hayner, Pence and Olette. TAV having random hijinks at the Land of Departure. With a series, you can get away with this. In a game, you can't, because pacing is a issue.
Imagine an episode where Roxas is having sleeping problems, so he goes to Ven because... y'know... and ridiculousness ensues. Or Axel having a crush on Aqua, but he doesn't know what to say to her, so he asks Kairi and Xion for advice (two who have absolutely zero experience in this). They're silly ideas, but that's honestly all it could be! Just little shorts, similar to RWBY Chibi.
KH would actually benefit with RWBY Chibi like skits. So many things from the series would make for hilarious parodies.
Random thought: If the series actually ends up being canon to the actual saga, maybe it could be set in the Mickey, Donald and Goofy journey through the worlds in the search for Sora? That could be very Disney-ish but still be a KH thing.
If this is true I wonder if they'll skip Deep Jungle or replace it with something. Though I'd hate for this to be another canon thing to the series for us to follow to get into KH4 and the next saga, lol.
Biggest elephant in the room.
Though I'd hate for this to be another canon thing to the series for us to follow to get into KH4 and the next saga, lol.
I hope it's a retelling of the series.
Disney should hire you for this lol
Haha thank you alas Disney doesn’t even know I exist xD
Biggest elephant in the room.
And his name is Tantor! One of the few characters in Tarzan that didn't make it into KH1.
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Rumors of a Disney Plus series based on Kingdom Hearts have been circulating the internet for a few weeks now. Skyler Shuler of the DisInsider has claimed that a Kingdom Hearts Disney Plus animated CGI television series is in development.
Shuler claims that the original voice actors are slated to return including Jim Cummings, Bill Farmer, and Tony Anselmo. Emre Kaya, writer at the Cinema Spot, tweeted that Square Enix was tapped to create the pilot for the series on Unreal Engine and that casting for the series is currently underway.
Despite the various reliable sources confirming this show is in development, an official announcement has not yet been made by Disney or Square Enix.
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[/parsehtml]Looks like we finally know what the secret request project is, that Nomura was talking about before.
You know what I will say, if Nomura knows about these leaks, he's probably pissed. Considering everybody is WFH atm, he's probably spending more time on the computer which means...
Well, anyways. It doesn't matter. Nothing ever stays secret in Hollywood for long.
Looks like we finally know what the secret request project is, that Nomura was talking about before.
Seems like if this all pans out, yep. This is probably it; the unique writing opportunity.
If it does wind up being Mickey, Donald, and Goofy revisiting worlds Sora's been to as mentioned in Re:Mind, then the main purpose of the series is likely to be a recap of the games without making it a straight up retelling.
I either want this to be really amazing or a complete fucking disaster and I'm so scared it's going to wind up in the middle, pleasing no one
If it ends up a retelling I want the 358/2 Days season to have Xion's love of doggos.
And Roxas having his face drawn on.
Pretty much everything from the 358/2 manga.
Also "Roxas, that's a stick" needs to by vocalized.
If it ends up a retelling I want the 358/2 Days season to have Xion's love of doggos.
And Roxas having his face drawn on.
Pretty much everything from the 358/2 manga.
Also "Roxas, that's a stick" needs to by vocalized.
Just making manga/novel stuff canon would be more then enough to get me to watch. Give me Terra and his love for nuts. Or have a fun moment where everyone is in Disney Town doing the races. They could do a lot.
Uh... 0.2 looked worse though. They were still in the midst of fine tuning everything. Just look at it.
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Not even the same lighting they use in 3.
Heck I'll let the evolution of 0.2 Kairi speak for itself:
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Heck, I should have specified, I meant the opening cgi. I would never go as far as to say the in game models for 0.2 are better, I never even said that in my other thread.
I assumed it would have been obvious what I meant, also I suppose in my mind when I say CGI I automatically think visualworks which I realise is not the case for others
Just making manga/novel stuff canon would be more then enough to get me to watch. Give me Terra and his love for nuts. Or have a fun moment where everyone is in Disney Town doing the races. They could do a lot.
Yeah. I like the writing in the games but to fill a whole series the characters will really need much more fleshed out personalities.
Yeah. I like the writing in the games but to fill a whole series the characters will really need much more fleshed out personalities.
Maybe it can be the sub to the BBS manga we never got. I want wacky moments with TAV.
Maybe it can be the sub to the BBS manga we never got. I want wacky moments with TAV.
The most disappointing part of 2015 was learning a BBS manga wouldn't be a thing T.T
I either want this to be really amazing or a complete fucking disaster and I'm so scared it's going to wind up in the middle, pleasing no one
Yes, we all knock on Nomura now. But I think we also can admit we love his style even if we can admit that it is not that great.
What he needs are the right people to keep him in check.
I'm all for creative liberty, but let's be real, Nomura is like George Lucas, he has amazing ideas but does not execute them all that well. The reason the original trilogy of Star Wars was so good is that Lucas had people telling him what would work and what wouldn't.
The prequel trilogy, on the other hand, was all Lucas and that speaks for itself.
I am the kind of guy who will sit there and internally scream at the horrible story choices he makes and at the same time marvel at them while in a state of rapture. Kingdom Hearts is the abyss and I've stared into it too long.
Yes, we all knock on Nomura now. But I think we also can admit we love his style even if we can admit that it is not that great.
What he needs are the right people to keep him in check.
I'm all for creative liberty, but let's be real, Nomura is like George Lucas, he has amazing ideas but does not execute them all that well. The reason the original trilogy of Star Wars was so good is that Lucas had people telling him what would work and what wouldn't.
The prequel trilogy, on the other hand, was all Lucas and that speaks for itself.
I am the kind of guy who will sit there and internally scream at the horrible story choices he makes and at the same time marvel at them while in a state of rapture. Kingdom Hearts is the abyss and I've stared into it too long.
Basically this.
I got a hunch it will take place during the events of KH, and if successful, it will take place during the remaining games in the series.
If it’s anywhere close to the CGI in Back Story then I’m in.
A theme song created by Utada would be lovely.
Yes, we all knock on Nomura now. But I think we also can admit we love his style even if we can admit that it is not that great.
What he needs are the right people to keep him in check.
I'm all for creative liberty, but let's be real, Nomura is like George Lucas, he has amazing ideas but does not execute them all that well. The reason the original trilogy of Star Wars was so good is that Lucas had people telling him what would work and what wouldn't.
The prequel trilogy, on the other hand, was all Lucas and that speaks for itself.
I am the kind of guy who will sit there and internally scream at the horrible story choices he makes and at the same time marvel at them while in a state of rapture. Kingdom Hearts is the abyss and I've stared into it too long.
Yeah. Pretty much xD
I got a hunch it will take place during the events of KH, and if successful, it will take place during the remaining games in the series.
If it’s anywhere close to the CGI in Back Story then I’m in.
A theme song created by Utada would be lovely.
Didn't realize that I wanted this until you said it xD
KH would actually benefit with RWBY Chibi like skits. So many things from the series would make for hilarious parodies.
Like imagine a skit with Ansem, Xemnas and Xigbar. Tell me that doesn't have infinite potential LOL.
So is this confirmed or not!? I'm having all my friends and family that know I love KH sending me these "confirmations", but I'm like I don't think it's true! UGH.
So is this confirmed or not!? I'm having all my friends and family that know I love KH sending me these "confirmations", but I'm like I don't think it's true! UGH.
It’s not officially confirmed, but these people in the OP have been right about a bunch of scoops before. So treat it as not confirmed but likely, I guess.
I remember seeing this rumour going around about the same time as this site's editorial on animated series rumours a couple weeks back.
As much as I'd like this to be a thing, I'm gonna be a sceptic this time and say I don't buy it.
But, if this turns out to be legit and they actually are making it a full CG series, I hope they go with a more cel-shaded style, something akin to Drifting Dragons or Levius. It'd at least work easier if they show Disney worlds based on the 2D animated films.
I'm going to try to not wishlist too hard so that I take care not to add disappointment to depressing stuff I'm going through right now, but UX the series is my ideal outcome from this:
It's pretty much perfect for the medium especially because you don't need to know anything KH in order to jump in and it would be an avenue for people who can't stand the mobile game to actually get the story. Now there are downsides like the fact that there are no FF characters in it -though Disney might see that as an upside as they don't own those characters- or something like Future Maleficent, or Data stuff. That can be confusing but if new watchers are invested they will be more likely to ignore those points, or investigate the games.
Some upsides are: an ease of entry as its early in the timeline, set up of mysteries that can keep attention, expanding the world of the Foretellers and making it feel more real [S]so as to tear the heart out even more[/S] and better set up for the future that might take time to come out but even seasonal would be quicker than the mobage.
Unfortunately, another huge downside is that it would probably necessitate a concrete version of the protag, which means people will inevitably say "This is now the true protag and any deviation is shunned" which always happens when an unnamed or customizable character gets an identity in secondary material. I really wish people in general were better than that, but I'm not even sure that I'm innocent in that.
Well that's my piece.
Like imagine a skit with Ansem, Xemnas and Xigbar. Tell me that doesn't have infinite potential LOL.
Just give me skits with the KH characters as a series. Give me a Organization XIII road trip across the Disney worlds!
Just give me skits with the KH characters as a series. Give me a Organization XIII road trip across the Disney worlds!
An adaptation of that one bonus chapter from the Days manga where everyone stayed at the castle because of how cold it was outside.
Yes, we all knock on Nomura now. But I think we also can admit we love his style even if we can admit that it is not that great.
What he needs are the right people to keep him in check.
I'm all for creative liberty, but let's be real, Nomura is like George Lucas, he has amazing ideas but does not execute them all that well. The reason the original trilogy of Star Wars was so good is that Lucas had people telling him what would work and what wouldn't.
The prequel trilogy, on the other hand, was all Lucas and that speaks for itself.
I am the kind of guy who will sit there and internally scream at the horrible story choices he makes and at the same time marvel at them while in a state of rapture. Kingdom Hearts is the abyss and I've stared into it too long.
An episodic format with characters going through Disney worlds would be my ideal cartoon. But if anything I suspect it might be a retelling of KH1 considering Nomura loves retelling that story.
An episodic format with characters going through Disney worlds would be my ideal cartoon. But if anything I suspect it might be a retelling of KH1 considering Nomura loves retelling that story.
And it will star TV Sora, who is identical to Sora but a different being like Data Sora.
And it will star TV Sora, who is identical to Sora but a different being like Data Sora.
He will have to fight Heartless to find Disney character's true selves with the help of a bunch of rambunctious teenagers who are part of him but not part of him.
Disney Plus launches in Japan on June 11th. Originally this was going to be the last day of E3 2020. Just an interesting coincidence, I'm sure, but it reminds me that under different circumstances, we would be entering event season and there may be projects and other news planned to be announced around this time.
Food for thought!
If this is a straight up retelling it would be cool if we got Disney characters or worlds that weren't in the games. Since it is its own thing it won't contradict the actual series.
Also they could expand on underinsured characters like Donald's nephews
I really don't think it's a remake of sorts, I feel like this is related to that third storyline Nomura was talking about in that UX announcement
The dialogue and writing is consistent enough between Days all the way to KH3 despite the various scenario writers like Daisuke Watababe, Tomoco Kanemaki, and Masaru Oka working on the games to show that Nomura‘s probably writing the bulk of the main character dialogue.
Just to add that Nomura pretty much says that in the KH3 Ultimania:
Nomura: In recent KH titles, Oka has been discussing and deciding the location and flow (of battles and cutscenes) with the level design team and creating tentative scenarios that fit. I touch things up in the final stages, but what I correct is mostly to do with dialogue. The events of the story of each world mostly prioritize level design.
That explains everything.
Disney Plus launches in Japan on June 11th. Originally this was going to be the last day of E3 2020. Just an interesting coincidence, I'm sure, but it reminds me that under different circumstances, we would be entering event season and there may be projects and other news planned to be announced around this time.
Food for thought!
On the last day of E3, hmmmmmmmm?
If it's being made in collaboration with SE or at least a close adaption of the games, then I'll be more open to the idea.
If it's not, however:
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I agree to that.
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I'm still very hesitant about this no matter what I hear. Kingdom Hearts, in my mind, just cannot work as a TV series, at least not a good one. Most KH fans tend to agree that the story and the writing are among the weaker elements of the series, especially when you consider that 70-80% of the grand narrative is just watered-down retellings of already popular Disney films with original characters shoehorned in.
It could feasibly work as something intended for people who are already fans of the series, if they make it a story that's canon and relevant to the games. Otherwise, if the conceit is just to have an unconnected episodic series of Sora, Donald, and Goofy travelling to a new Disney world every episode, then I just don't see how it could realistically work.
And frankly, I'm not enthusiastic about the show's potential regarding the writing, either. I mean, we all know Nomura ain't no writer. If we take X Back Cover as an example of what we might see with KH translated to a TV medium, then frankly I'm not interested. Dialogue in the KH series blows, I hate to say it but it's true.
I agree for the most part, however, what if this is them going back over the series, and this time trying to do better with it? this would give them a chance ot build up on a lot fo what the story of Kingdom hearts has been lacking. the relationships specially between Sora and Kairi, The story points, diaologue. all of it. they could follow the game series and spend a lot more time improving these areas and giving more canon for the fans, or even just doing a better job of telling the story.
It should also be noted that Shinji Hashimoto retweeted about the D+ Japan launch but like...he retweets everything and loves supporting Disney, so take that as you will.
So does this mean Kingdom Hearts is expected to become a lot more popular? If so, does that mean we will get new content and games out much faster as they'll have a lot more at stake a lot more to appease and faster deadlines? Also does this mean KH4 game quality will go down due to rushing?[/parsehtml]
It’s too early to say what it will do for it’s popularity. It definitely means it’ll be more in the spotlight to a wider audience, but who knows if people will latch onto it or not.
It depends on what the project ends up being about and how accessible it is to new audiences.
I doubt this will change their release output. They would probably get more funding, and then either get more freedom and/or more internal oversight by Disney...If anything there might be a push for more content related to what the show covers.
Disney used to rush developers and publishers to release projects back in the day but now that they realized they don’t understand the game industry at all, they’ve stepped back quite a bit and let the developers and publishers set the pace.
Of course, that is if this all pans out to be true.
It’s too early to say what it will do for it’s popularity. It definitely means it’ll be more in the spotlight to a wider audience, but who knows if people will latch onto it or not.
It depends on what the project ends up being about and how accessible it is to new audiences.
I doubt this will change their release output. They would probably get more funding, and then either get more freedom and/or more internal oversight by Disney...If anything there might be a push for more content related to what the show covers.
Disney used to rush developers and publishers to release projects back in the day but now that they realized they don’t understand the game industry at all, they’ve stepped back quite a bit and let the developers and publishers set the pace.
Of course, that is if this all pans out to be true.
Very true. I am personally hoping this serves as a boon, even if the show just brings a little more popularity even fi its not that great for us fans, if it gets more people to start palying the game they should get more funding and should get the games out even quicker, for that reason alone if this is true, Im gonna try and support it and help it grow the best I can as a fan Just simply cause i want KH to get that support boost and funding so we can possibly get good games released much quicker.
P.S. Side not for you Spockanort, you should check out ym new theory thread I posted, IM carious to what you think. :D
I want a D+ series to happen just to see what the outsider reactions will be.
I want a D+ series to happen just to see what the outsider reactions will be.
Who could hate KH? :D
I want a D+ series to happen just to see what the outsider reactions will be.
I’m at the point where, in general, I want more KH content less for the enjoyment of the thing itself and more for the chaos it will inevitably bring to the fandom.
(Though I do empathize with those who will have to moderate that chaos. ?)
I think the most bittersweet part of this news for me it that it could potentially expand the audience for Kingdom Hearts quite a bit which would be great for the series, but as with everything can water down the voice of the community.
I like the idea of it taking place during the year gap after Re:Mind, but i see it more likely being based off the original story or follow a story that doesn't require a large background on previous titles. (Perhaps this is how Chi will be remade in a more permanent way?)
Overall I'm hella scared about getting my hopes up. Especially with no official announcement. I am already having Dark Road flashbacks. Right now I am purely hoping that the series has KH OCs in it. And if it does happen to retell the original game, I hope it is told in a way that smoothens out a lot of the retcons (perhaps better mentioning the existence of TAV or linking Roxas's birth to the moment in Hollow Bastion), and that Disney characters are given creative freedom on Disney's end (aka allowed to fight or coexist).
Who could hate KH? :D
Kingdom Hearts fans ?
I’m at the point where, in general, I want more KH content less for the enjoyment of the thing itself and more for the chaos it will inevitably bring to the fandom.
I think the most bittersweet part of this news for me it that it could potentially expand the audience for Kingdom Hearts quite a bit which would be great for the series, but as with everything can water down the voice of the community.
| I like the idea of it taking place during the year gap after Re:Mind, but i see it more likely being based off the original story or follow a story that doesn't require a large background on previous titles. (Perhaps this is how Chi will be remade in a more permanent way?) |
| Overall I'm hella scared about getting my hopes up. Especially with no official announcement. I am already having Dark Road flashbacks. Right now I am purely hoping that the series has KH OCs in it. And if it does happen to retell the original game, I hope it is told in a way that smoothens out a lot of the retcons (perhaps better mentioning the existence of TAV or linking Roxas's birth to the moment in Hollow Bastion), and that Disney characters are given creative freedom on Disney's end (aka allowed to fight or coexist). |
Kingdom Hearts fans ?
Kingdom Hearts: Disney Plus Chi vs 7/13 Lights coming soon to streaming service near you!
They're getting off easy, at least they didn't have to buy a PSP, DS, a 3DS and a capable smartphone just to get the latest story lmao. Going out of your way for new KH lore is like a rite of passage, and realize that the true lore was the friends we made along the way.
I think you're confusing KH lore with a treasure hunt, though to be honest it's quite understandable given the fact that they're both long arduous tasks to complete with very little payoff.
I'd be fine if it was Chi. The one problem I have with if it was remade for console is retreading Disney worlds AGAIN, and Agrabah has mentally scarred everyone. An animated series focusing on its main story would be perfectly okay to me, and if any Disney world appears, it'd still be easier on my sanity.
I see this as the best case scenario. Just imagine it having writers who actually understand the story and use this opportunity to flesh out everything and have later events and plot twists feel more organic.
Honestly, I see it ending badly any way but that way... thats the only logical way Is ee it happneing and I think it would be great for the series if they did make it follow the canon story from the start and just use it to give more detail lore and iron things out and put things in a good order. |
If it's being produced by Square, then the robotic anime dialogue alone will make it a mockery by the mainstream audience on a Prequel trilogy scale. The convoluted plot twists, constant retconning, Disney worlds being shallow retelling of films that you can already watch on the app, & the fact the show expects the viewers to take the term "nobodies" seriously will make it such a laughing stock it'll probably scare the execs from wanting anything more to do with KH.
Yeah, honestly for a KH show to work, it has to be stripped down to the most barebones version of itself possible. A simple conflict, a simple story, and simple lore. It can be built up from there but it needs to be able to explain itself concisely within the confines of its own story.
For example, let’s look at the Mandalorian. I’m going to speak as though I am new to Star Wars. The show introduces us to Mando. We get auxiliary Information from the events and characters around him that explain what his job is, who he is, and what a Mandalorian is. We get clues about the economy of this universe and how there is a fallen power that led to money being scarce.
We learn the Empire fell and while they are scattered, they still hold some soft power and wealth like a mob. They are looking for something, Mando takes the job.
It’s a simple set up and simple premise. As the episode moves forward we learn more about Mando’s culture and his people. We see Mando arrive on a planet and as a newcomer he is also learning about that world. He meets somebody who takes the time to explain what is happening on that world.
He goes out to accomplish his mission, we learn a little bit more about this universe and how it operates, and then he meets a baby and we are introduced to the true plot of the story.
Regardless if you know what the Child is related to, the show shows you that he is special. As the show progresses, it never assumes you know the lore but it also doesn’t hold your hand. You are able to piece the world together within the show without having to ever touch any other Star Wars media. It even treats the Force as an unknown, which makes it an accessible concept to an audience who might not have any cultural awareness about the franchise.
There are small references that are meant for fans, but it is never anything that won’t also get some explanation in the show or aren’t just surface level callbacks.
This is what a KH series would, in my opinion, need to be. It can still be about the Keyblade and the Heartless and visiting worlds, but it should not assume the audience has been keeping up with the series. It should be an entry that exists and teaches you the world of KH while also being a natural, wholly separate entry into the franchise.
Now, the Mandalorian was made by a team of highly talented writers, directors, and producers who all thought about these things. They knew they wanted a show that appealed to fans but was detached from the Skywalker saga so you didn’t NEED the films to understand the show. It’s a show affected by actions that occur in the Skywalker saga but it exists in its own corner of the galaxy.
They had the skill and the talent to be able to show their story, not tell it.
Nomura is very much the opposite kind of storyteller. He likes telling versus showing. Certainly things get shown but a lot of KH3 is just characters talking to each other explaining something until something happens. It doesn’t make for great cinematic storytelling. When Nomura does employ the show, not tell method, it ends up being some of the best and memorable moments of the game.
There isn’t anything wrong with telling, especially when there is a lot going on in KH3, but like instead of hearing the Organization talk about the new members, it should have been us seeing them recruited or the process of them being brought to the present time into their replica bodies. We should have seen Vexen restarting his replica program.
If this show is real and Nomura is in charge, I am worried. I don’t think he is incapable of employing consistent and engaging visual storytelling. Advent Children does do this plenty of times. In fact, it sometimes begs you to learn it’s story by only visual cues. I’m worried that he won’t make the show something removed from the main story at hand which will mean it has to use a lot of verbal storytelling to make sure the audience knows wtf is going on.
Remind/Limit Cut has this issue, too, now that I think about it. It was like 5 minutes of Roxas explaining about their X and how they wanted and needed it back. Ugh. We skip a whole year in which stuff happens but we don’t see it and just brief looks at where things are or who is doing what before we get info dumped about data.
I guess what I’m saying is that I want this to be the Mandalorian, not KH3.75.
I’m going to be disappointed by this, aren’t I?
Nomura is very much the opposite kind of storyteller. He likes telling versus showing.
This is the crux of the whole thing for me. I used to teach little kids for English, and while it's absolutely valid to employ "tell not show" it rarely works out well, especially when you're 10 and that tends to be along very basic lines.
Not that I'm equating Nomura with my 10 year olds... But some of them had really gripping turns of phrase and by the end of the year all of them had improved just with the implementation of "show, don't tell"
Yeah, honestly for a KH show to work, it has to be stripped down to the most barebones version of itself possible. A simple conflict, a simple story, and simple lore. It can be built up from there but it needs to be able to explain itself concisely within the confines of its own story.
For example, let’s look at the Mandalorian. I’m going to speak as though I am new to Star Wars. The show introduces us to Mando. We get auxiliary Information from the events and characters around him that explain what his job is, who he is, and what a Mandalorian is. We get clues about the economy of this universe and how there is a fallen power that led to money being scarce.
We learn the Empire fell and while they are scattered, they still hold some soft power and wealth like a mob. They are looking for something, Mando takes the job.
It’s a simple set up and simple premise. As the episode moves forward we learn more about Mando’s culture and his people. We see Mando arrive on a planet and as a newcomer he is also learning about that world. He meets somebody who takes the time to explain what is happening on that world.
He goes out to accomplish his mission, we learn a little bit more about this universe and how it operates, and then he meets a baby and we are introduced to the true plot of the story.
Regardless if you know what the Child is related to, the show shows you that he is special. As the show progresses, it never assumes you know the lore but it also doesn’t hold your hand. You are able to piece the world together within the show without having to ever touch any other Star Wars media. It even treats the Force as an unknown, which makes it an accessible concept to an audience who might not have any cultural awareness about the franchise.
There are small references that are meant for fans, but it is never anything that won’t also get some explanation in the show or aren’t just surface level callbacks.
This is what a KH series would, in my opinion, need to be. It can still be about the Keyblade and the Heartless and visiting worlds, but it should not assume the audience has been keeping up with the series. It should be an entry that exists and teaches you the world of KH while also being a natural, wholly separate entry into the franchise.
Now, the Mandalorian was made by a team of highly talented writers, directors, and producers who all thought about these things. They knew they wanted a show that appealed to fans but was detached from the Skywalker saga so you didn’t NEED the films to understand the show. It’s a show affected by actions that occur in the Skywalker saga but it exists in its own corner of the galaxy.
They had the skill and the talent to be able to show their story, not tell it.
Nomura is very much the opposite kind of storyteller. He likes telling versus showing. Certainly things get shown but a lot of KH3 is just characters talking to each other explaining something until something happens. It doesn’t make for great cinematic storytelling. When Nomura does employ the show, not tell method, it ends up being some of the best and memorable moments of the game.
There isn’t anything wrong with telling, especially when there is a lot going on in KH3, but like instead of hearing the Organization talk about the new members, it should have been us seeing them recruited or the process of them being brought to the present time into their replica bodies. We should have seen Vexen restarting his replica program.
If this show is real and Nomura is in charge, I am worried. I don’t think he is incapable of employing consistent and engaging visual storytelling. Advent Children does do this plenty of times. In fact, it sometimes begs you to learn it’s story by only visual cues. I’m worried that he won’t make the show something removed from the main story at hand which will mean it has to use a lot of verbal storytelling to make sure the audience knows wtf is going on.
Remind/Limit Cut has this issue, too, now that I think about it. It was like 5 minutes of Roxas explaining about their X and how they wanted and needed it back. Ugh. We skip a whole year in which stuff happens but we don’t see it and just brief looks at where things are or who is doing what before we get info dumped about data.
I guess what I’m saying is that I want this to be the Mandalorian, not KH3.75.
I’m going to be disappointed by this, aren’t I?
I haven't seen the Mandalorian, only baby Yoda memes, so I can't comment on that.
I do wish they had gone the route of showing the Organization being recruited as opposed to that long boring exposition cutscene. That could have given the characters even more depth. And I'll never forgive the option of not showing Vexen make his replicas. How did he make those things in the middle of a desert? The manga and novels both at least try to give some backstory on how they are made but the games never even try. Also I still can't believe we never got all 13 Seekers of Darkness together for a cutscene all playing off one another. No scene of them on their thrones throwing jabs at one another trying to out politic the other. I feel cheated.
There's something amusing about an artist preferring telling over showing.
There's something amusing about an artist preferring telling over showing.
I hope the show will succeed just for the fact the games will have higher budget.
anyhow, i think it will mainly focus on kingdom hearts 1 since the story is more simplistic and involve disney villains joining up together.
Would be nice if the first episode started with Sora, Riku, and Kairi in school on the main island. I've always wanted to see Sora and Riku in school uniforms
Yeah, honestly for a KH show to work, it has to be stripped down to the most barebones version of itself possible. A simple conflict, a simple story, and simple lore. It can be built up from there but it needs to be able to explain itself concisely within the confines of its own story.
For example, let’s look at the Mandalorian. I’m going to speak as though I am new to Star Wars. The show introduces us to Mando. We get auxiliary Information from the events and characters around him that explain what his job is, who he is, and what a Mandalorian is. We get clues about the economy of this universe and how there is a fallen power that led to money being scarce.
We learn the Empire fell and while they are scattered, they still hold some soft power and wealth like a mob. They are looking for something, Mando takes the job.
It’s a simple set up and simple premise. As the episode moves forward we learn more about Mando’s culture and his people. We see Mando arrive on a planet and as a newcomer he is also learning about that world. He meets somebody who takes the time to explain what is happening on that world.
He goes out to accomplish his mission, we learn a little bit more about this universe and how it operates, and then he meets a baby and we are introduced to the true plot of the story.
Regardless if you know what the Child is related to, the show shows you that he is special. As the show progresses, it never assumes you know the lore but it also doesn’t hold your hand. You are able to piece the world together within the show without having to ever touch any other Star Wars media. It even treats the Force as an unknown, which makes it an accessible concept to an audience who might not have any cultural awareness about the franchise.
There are small references that are meant for fans, but it is never anything that won’t also get some explanation in the show or aren’t just surface level callbacks.
This is what a KH series would, in my opinion, need to be. It can still be about the Keyblade and the Heartless and visiting worlds, but it should not assume the audience has been keeping up with the series. It should be an entry that exists and teaches you the world of KH while also being a natural, wholly separate entry into the franchise.
Now, the Mandalorian was made by a team of highly talented writers, directors, and producers who all thought about these things. They knew they wanted a show that appealed to fans but was detached from the Skywalker saga so you didn’t NEED the films to understand the show. It’s a show affected by actions that occur in the Skywalker saga but it exists in its own corner of the galaxy.
They had the skill and the talent to be able to show their story, not tell it.
& then Season 2 brings in Boba Fett, a minor character from the films glorified by the fandom & EU material, & Ahsoka, a character who wasn't even in the films to begin with. Mandalorian's about to go all KH on us.
Would be nice if the first episode started with Sora, Riku, and Kairi in school on the main island. I've always wanted to see Sora and Riku in school uniforms
With Quistis as the teacher.
With Quistis as the teacher.
Okay but....
I have literally wanted this for 10 years and that sentence made my heart go oof ;~;
So, I think there have been some people in this thread saying they don't want a Mystery Box kind of plot for this potential TV show--which is completely valid, and you all are more than allowed to feel that way--but that's, personally, one of the reasons I love KH and I would like it in a KH show in my own perfect world... but not like the games, tbh (because I would want a show to be a bit simpler).
I know J.J. Abrams isn't the best person to bring up for Mystery Box plots being done well--some would even say he's the example as to why they're not good--but I think he at least handled Alias decently well. The opening of that show was definitely stronger, but I wasn't as disappointed by that show's ending as some were. And it is probably one of the best wrap-ups that I've ever seen him do. I know a lot of people were upset that Sydney's mother was the Passenger--and not her sister, Nadia, like had been foreshadowed--but I think that mostly worked.
And getting even more controversial here (and y'all don't have to agree with this one at all. LOL), but as much as the ending to LOST sucked... the ending didn't ruin the show for me, because I still thought the characters' growth for the entire run still made it worth it. But I know that character writing has never been KH's strong suit.
So, if a KH show had a Mystery Box plot moreso in line with Alias, I'd be okay with that. But that's just me. No one else has to feel this way at all, and I'd understand if you don't.
Completely opposite of this idea: I'd love a slice-of-life KH show (which is weird for me), and think the writing could actually benefit from one.
I'm reading "Vigilantes" the My Hero Academia spinoff and i wouldn't mind a series like that. Just some new characters and a new story. The Xehanort saga happened but its not the only thing going on.
The safest bet would be a retelling of the Xehanort saga.
As long as the characters don't go OOC and the plot (or at least the execution of it) doesn't fall into the traps the games have, them I'm all for it. It might actually be a nice breath of fresh air if it goes with a "soft" reboot approach; simplifying the story and the mechanics of the mythos, and emphasize the character relationships and present them more organically/down to earth and relatable (basically get rid of the awkwardness of almost all the cutscenes unless it's for humor), with a side of Disney charm that balances these elements instead of contrasting them so sharply as they often do.
With Quistis as the teacher.
As long as the characters don't go OOC and the plot (or at least the execution of it) doesn't fall into the traps the games have, them I'm all for it. It might actually be a nice breath of fresh air if it goes with a "soft" reboot approach; simplifying the story and the mechanics of the mythos, and emphasize the character relationships and present them more organically/down to earth and relatable (basically get rid of the awkwardness of almost all the cutscenes unless it's for humor), with a side of Disney charm that balances these elements instead of contrasting them so sharply as they often do.
I haven't seen the Mandalorian, only baby Yoda memes, so I can't comment on that.
I do wish they had gone the route of showing the Organization being recruited as opposed to that long boring exposition cutscene. That could have given the characters even more depth. And I'll never forgive the option of not showing Vexen make his replicas. How did he make those things in the middle of a desert? The manga and novels both at least try to give some backstory on how they are made but the games never even try. Also I still can't believe we never got all 13 Seekers of Darkness together for a cutscene all playing off one another. No scene of them on their thrones throwing jabs at one another trying to out politic the other. I feel cheated.
Wait, what desert did Vexen make the replicas in? Agrabah? Or did he use the Genie to wish for replicas?
Wait, what desert did Vexen make the replicas in? Agrabah? Or did he use the Genie to wish for replicas?
I think she's referring to the Organization's base of operations in the Keyblade Graveyard, which I'd probably describe more as a wasteland than a desert xD
Wait, what desert did Vexen make the replicas in? Agrabah? Or did he use the Genie to wish for replicas?
I met the Keyblade Graveyard. It is more wasteland then desert. Sorry about that, my bad lol.
I met the Keyblade Graveyard. It is more wasteland then desert. Sorry about that, my bad lol.
If Vexen made the replicas in the Keyblade Graveyard (or worked on the remaining ones that he had left over from CoM), then where did the ones from CoM come from? The World That Never Was?
If Vexen made the replicas in the Keyblade Graveyard (or worked on the remaining ones that he had left over from CoM), then where did the ones from CoM come from? The World That Never Was?
I assume he made them in Castle Oblivion in COM. Days confirmed they had a lab there, but it was never stated Vexen went back there in KH3 to continue making them.
I assume he made them in Castle Oblivion in COM. Days confirmed they had a lab there, but it was never stated Vexen went back there in KH3 to continue making them.
I assumed Vexen also had a lab in the World that Never Was where he kept the replicas because in one of the Days reports he says that he intends to take the 'other vessel' (that will become Repliku) to CO for further testing. I guess he could have gone to one of these places as he did travel about a fair bit during the game.
If this is true I wonder if they'll skip Deep Jungle or replace it with something.
Am I saying to drink the Nomura Kool-Aid and accept everything he puts out, regardless of whether you personally like it or not?
Also "Roxas, that's a stick" needs to by vocalized.
Give me a Organization XIII road trip across the Disney worlds!
XIGBAR: “I don’t like sand.”
Also I still can't believe we never got all 13 Seekers of Darkness together for a cutscene all playing off one another. No scene of them on their thrones throwing jabs at one another trying to out politic the other. I feel cheated.
I assumed Vexen also had a lab in the World that Never Was where he kept the replicas because in one of the Days reports he says that he intends to take the 'other vessel' (that will become Repliku) to CO for further testing. I guess he could have gone to one of these places as he did travel about a fair bit during the game.
Vexen probably has numerous labs. That's interesting because Days implies he made Xion at CO so I assumed that's where the Replica Program started. They even have a cutscene with Saix taking Xion out of CO. So this is fascinating. It's possible he has blank vessels in his TWTNW lab and ships them to CO to get completed then decides where to put them after they are made? Repliku and Xion both served different functions so it's possible.
Where is my Vexen/Replica game?! Screw Dark Road, I want that instead!
Knowing how they’re like with Tarzan these days, they probably will.
“Convoluted lore! OH YEAH!”
I’d literally faint in joy if that were to happen.
ALADDIN: “Hi, welcome to Agrabah!”
XIGBAR: “I don’t like sand.”
A golden opportunity and they just left it out. Just why? That would have been a perfect cutscene to put in at the start of KH3.
Xigbar didn't like Agrabah's location if I do recall his missions from Days, lol.
As for the 13 gathering, the perfect time would have been when the 7 Guardians had gathered. Xehanort going over his plans with the other 12 and let the personalities fly. This also would help to better explain why they had Terranort and the Demon Tide destroy the guardians first without a clash.
Yeah, honestly for a KH show to work, it has to be stripped down to the most barebones version of itself possible. A simple conflict, a simple story, and simple lore. It can be built up from there but it needs to be able to explain itself concisely within the confines of its own story.
For example, let’s look at the Mandalorian. I’m going to speak as though I am new to Star Wars. The show introduces us to Mando. We get auxiliary Information from the events and characters around him that explain what his job is, who he is, and what a Mandalorian is. We get clues about the economy of this universe and how there is a fallen power that led to money being scarce.
We learn the Empire fell and while they are scattered, they still hold some soft power and wealth like a mob. They are looking for something, Mando takes the job.
It’s a simple set up and simple premise. As the episode moves forward we learn more about Mando’s culture and his people. We see Mando arrive on a planet and as a newcomer he is also learning about that world. He meets somebody who takes the time to explain what is happening on that world.
He goes out to accomplish his mission, we learn a little bit more about this universe and how it operates, and then he meets a baby and we are introduced to the true plot of the story.
Regardless if you know what the Child is related to, the show shows you that he is special. As the show progresses, it never assumes you know the lore but it also doesn’t hold your hand. You are able to piece the world together within the show without having to ever touch any other Star Wars media. It even treats the Force as an unknown, which makes it an accessible concept to an audience who might not have any cultural awareness about the franchise.
There are small references that are meant for fans, but it is never anything that won’t also get some explanation in the show or aren’t just surface level callbacks.
This is what a KH series would, in my opinion, need to be. It can still be about the Keyblade and the Heartless and visiting worlds, but it should not assume the audience has been keeping up with the series. It should be an entry that exists and teaches you the world of KH while also being a natural, wholly separate entry into the franchise.
This. All of this, I can agree with(y)
-Keep the base plot simple
-Show, don't tell
-Don't assume everyone knows everything about the source material
But above all, use its time well and don't rush it out the door. Many anime adaptations of games suffered due to a lack/misuse of time.
Vexen probably has numerous labs. That's interesting because Days implies he made Xion at CO so I assumed that's where the Replica Program started. They even have a cutscene with Saix taking Xion out of CO. So this is fascinating. It's possible he has blank vessels in his TWTNW lab and ships them to CO to get completed then decides where to put them after they are made? Repliku and Xion both served different functions so it's possible.
Where is my Vexen/Replica game?! Screw Dark Road, I want that instead!
Xigbar didn't like Agrabah's location if I do recall his missions from Days, lol.
As for the 13 gathering, the perfect time would have been when the 7 Guardians had gathered. Xehanort going over his plans with the other 12 and let the personalities fly. This also would help to better explain why they had Terranort and the Demon Tide destroy the guardians first without a clash.
But how can Vexen have a lab in the Keyblade Graveyard? That world seemingly "resets" at random times.
Is a series really needed though the series is confusing enough
Is a series really needed though the series is confusing enough
Personally I wouldn't want it
But how can Vexen have a lab in the Keyblade Graveyard? That world seemingly "resets" at random times.
So honestly Most of the replica's I believe were made at Castle oblivion. If you look at CoM thats were repliku came from.Thats why he became so set on protecting namine. they hint that most of the other vessels were made then to. I think Xion was so special and thats why she was made in a different place.
Interesting. I’m not really looking forward to this, but I don’t mind its existence. If nothing else, KH1’s story can be re-told in superior CGI this way. :D <3 Hopefully David Gallagher and Osment *will* be a part of this.
Is it actually in production or still a rumor? I still feel like what’s the point though. I cannot keep up with is all the tellings of this game. The dlc, characters files, novels, manga I’m just not seeing the point to doing this
Is it actually in production or still a rumor? I still feel like what’s the point though. I cannot keep up with is all the tellings of this game. The dlc, characters files, novels, manga I’m just not seeing the point to doing this
Reliable insiders who had the scoop are saying it is real and happening. They are typically people with big scoops about major films and TV shows and wouldn't have any stake in starting a false rumor about KH.
SE and Disney haven't commented on it, though, so treat it as a rumor.
Is it actually in production or still a rumor? I still feel like what’s the point though. I cannot keep up with is all the tellings of this game. The dlc, characters files, novels, manga I’m just not seeing the point to doing this
EDIT: ninja'd XD
Is it actually in production or still a rumor? I still feel like what’s the point though. I cannot keep up with is all the tellings of this game. The dlc, characters files, novels, manga I’m just not seeing the point to doing this
Still a rumor until SE or Disney say otherwise.
And I feel you, but you should take the character files, novels and manga as secondary source of canon. They are great for characterization, but you don't need to keep up with them as they are only retelling of the storylines and didn't came from Nomura's hand, so any new bit of information may or may not be canon depending if it is brought up explicitly in the games. The DLC is very canon, as it is a continuation/filling gap of KH3. So keep up with everything that is playable or was playable at some point asa 99% of it is canon, and the other stuff you can choose wether you feel like reading or not.
If the series happens, which I think it is highly likely, it would depend on what the focus is. If it is inside the scope of the current saga, then we will have to watch it. If it becomes its own thing, with its own canon, it may be possible to skip it and focus on the lore of the games. Either way, it is a better approach that having a game coming to another platform than the previous one, as it happened with the first 9 consequitives games (PS2-GBA-PS2-DS-PSP-DS-3DS-Browser/mobile-PS4)
I can already foresee the war that this series is going to ignite. The Kingdom Hearts fandom will be far more divided than it ever was. Kingdom Hearts will soon join the ranks of such things like Star Wars, Dragon Ball, and Godzilla in terms of endless debates about which is the "rightful canon" and which version of the character is the most true interpretation. IF the series is a true retelling of the all the games starting with KH1, it already will be it's own thing considering the matter of Tarzan. I am assuming they will have to use Jungle Book or some other jungle based world in it's place, and that alone will be enough to start a debate about which did it better? The games or the series? Now we will have a KH series with Deep Jungle (Tarzan) and another version of KH1 with a different world. Funny enough wasn't Jungle Book originally suppose to be in KH1 as well?
The only upside to all of this is that all (or at least most) of the "KH videogame fans" who used to be at each others' throats about which is better between KH1, 2, & 3 will unite against the "KH TV series fans". Or it will just be an all out chaotic free for all lol. You may have some fans that may like both and create their own canon, blending the two separate continuities together. Either way it will be a glorious spectacle.
I don't think it's gonna go that far
I really doubt that will happen. If it is made by somebody other than SE, maybe.
Funny enough wasn't Jungle Book originally suppose to be in KH1 as well?
I know it was planned for Birth by Sleep since there are some map rooms for it such as King Louie's temple.
I can already foresee the war that this series is going to ignite. The Kingdom Hearts fandom will be far more divided than it ever was. Kingdom Hearts will soon join the ranks of such things like Star Wars, Dragon Ball, and Godzilla in terms of endless debates about which is the "rightful canon" and which version of the character is the most true interpretation. IF the series is a true retelling of the all the games starting with KH1, it already will be it's own thing considering the matter of Tarzan. I am assuming they will have to use Jungle Book or some other jungle based world in it's place, and that alone will be enough to start a debate about which did it better? The games or the series? Now we will have a KH series with Deep Jungle (Tarzan) and another version of KH1 with a different world. Funny enough wasn't Jungle Book originally suppose to be in KH1 as well?
The only upside to all of this is that all (or at least most) of the "KH videogame fans" who used to be at each others' throats about which is better between KH1, 2, & 3 will unite against the "KH TV series fans". Or it will just be an all out chaotic free for all lol. You may have some fans that may like both and create their own canon, blending the two separate continuities together. Either way it will be a glorious spectacle.
It's more like a split between "people who think the games should cater to them and them alone" and "people who understand they're old farts and the franchise is seeking to attract a new audience." I don't think there will be any divide between the D+ series vs games, but I'm also of the opinion that the series will be telling a new story instead of soft rebooting or adapting the games, in which case there would be nothing to fight about.
EDIT: ninja'd XD
Feelsbad xD
But yeah I dont think it'll become dramatic like that but I think us veteran players will have a lot of people saying dumb stuff about the games. If you go on youtube people are all over the place saying dumbstuff, they only played on game somewhere in the middle and would go on about how they dont understand anything and such...I feel we'll get more of those kinds of people but thats about it.
I can already foresee the war that this series is going to ignite. The Kingdom Hearts fandom will be far more divided than it ever was. Kingdom Hearts will soon join the ranks of such things like Star Wars, Dragon Ball, and Godzilla in terms of endless debates about which is the "rightful canon" and which version of the character is the most true interpretation. IF the series is a true retelling of the all the games starting with KH1, it already will be it's own thing considering the matter of Tarzan. I am assuming they will have to use Jungle Book or some other jungle based world in it's place, and that alone will be enough to start a debate about which did it better? The games or the series? Now we will have a KH series with Deep Jungle (Tarzan) and another version of KH1 with a different world. Funny enough wasn't Jungle Book originally suppose to be in KH1 as well?
The only upside to all of this is that all (or at least most) of the "KH videogame fans" who used to be at each others' throats about which is better between KH1, 2, & 3 will unite against the "KH TV series fans". Or it will just be an all out chaotic free for all lol. You may have some fans that may like both and create their own canon, blending the two separate continuities together. Either way it will be a glorious spectacle.
I guess it's time for a Last Fan Standing match over which KH canon is the best / true. Watch Nomura troll us all and have the TV worldline appear in the game and vice versa.
I really doubt the fandom would go that far considering most fans seem pretty content with other debates.
I guess it's time for a Last Fan Standing match over which KH canon is the best / true. Watch Nomura troll us all and have the TV worldline appear in the game and vice versa.
That just might happen. You never know what will become important in KH.
It's more like a split between "people who think the games should cater to them and them alone" and "people who understand they're old farts and the franchise is seeking to attract a new audience." I don't think there will be any divide between the D+ series vs games, but I'm also of the opinion that the series will be telling a new story instead of soft rebooting or adapting the games, in which case there would be nothing to fight about.
Those will be around as well. I consider those subgroups. You have (some, not all) entitled videogame fans that feel they deserve to have every single thing catered to them. You have those like us that accept that the series isn't what it used to be and will continue to evolve to attract the younger audiences. One of the reasons why I am capping off after KHIV.
I guess it's time for a Last Fan Standing match over which KH canon is the best / true. Watch Nomura troll us all and have the TV worldline appear in the game and vice versa.
Next thing you know Nomura will give us "Kingdom Hearts the TV Adaptation the Game". A game based on the tv series that is based on the video game series. Somehow it intertwines with the actual videogame series and the television series as apart of an alternate reality/dimension/multiverse. In the end, the three Soras meet and perform fusion to become "the one true Sora".
I think if anything, it'll become the current fan abse arguing with the new fanbase.
I think if anything, it'll become the current fan abse arguing with the new fanbase.
I don’t know. I haven’t seen that happening with KH3. Usually the discussions fall along lines of pairings, what should have happened vs the things that happened, and lore aspects.
Unless the show completely upends the lore from the games, I think it will just be more of the same and everybody will fall into these varying categories rather than there being any divide between old and new fans.
If the series was much older and hadn’t been touched in years, I think this could have happened. Instead KH has drawn in new fans over the last 18 years with the dozens of releases and rereleases, so it never falls out of awareness or obscurity.
As much as I personally wouldn't like it, if the series was exactly the same but the earlier content is "retconned" from the games to include time-travelling Xehanort hints, Org XIII teases, Subject X clues in Hollow Bastion, Maleficent knowing about the BoP (from her return from the grave in season 3) and more, I'd accept that because damn it'd be good for Kingdom Hearts to be available in a mainstream way (and I work in TV so it's my favourite medium lol)
I certainly wouldn't argue with new fan members. It'd be like if the OG FFVII fans were getting into arguments with the FFVIIR newcomers, pointless because they're ultimately different stories.
I think you're confusing KH lore with a treasure hunt, though to be honest it's quite understandable given the fact that they're both long arduous tasks to complete with very little payoff.
I mean in retrospect it was overkill and really ended up making things more complicated than it needed to be, but I understand why Nomura wanted to make handheld title. Without the games, the KH franchise would've been dead until 2013. I feel like BBS should've stayed as a PS2 title (or PS3 since it came out in 2010), but Days and Coded work as a handheld title. DDD I'm fine with being on the 3DS but if they had made it with the intention of it being for 2.8 (I know 2.8 wasn't a thing by 2013 but hear me out), there's a lot more they could've done with DDD in terms of plot.
As much as people complain about KH being convoluted, it's really only DDD that made it that way. And you can tell that in KH3 Nomura was like "oh shit maybe I goofed here", because other than the Power of Waking, Riku being a Master and the ending leading right into KH3, the events in DDD aren't really addressed all that much. Although DDD is probably the way it is because of it setting the groundwork for the next saga, since it's clear that dreams and sleep are a big part here.
I mean in retrospect it was overkill and really ended up making things more complicated than it needed to be, but I understand why Nomura wanted to make handheld title. Without the games, the KH franchise would've been dead until 2013. I feel like BBS should've stayed as a PS2 title (or PS3 since it came out in 2010), but Days and Coded work as a handheld title. DDD I'm fine with being on the 3DS but if they had made it with the intention of it being for 2.8 (I know 2.8 wasn't a thing by 2013 but hear me out), there's a lot more they could've done with DDD in terms of plot.
As much as people complain about KH being convoluted, it's really only DDD that made it that way. And you can tell that in KH3 Nomura was like "oh shit maybe I goofed here", because other than the Power of Waking, Riku being a Master and the ending leading right into KH3, the events in DDD aren't really addressed all that much. Although DDD is probably the way it is because of it setting the groundwork for the next saga, since it's clear that dreams and sleep are a big part here.
I feel like I'm one of the few people who agree with you that DDD is the reason why KH is seen as convoluted, the only other reason in my book being the internet overexaggerating. But my reason why is due to having nearly all the plot at the end portion, so it's partially cuz of things happening one after the other with barely any breathing room.
I mean in retrospect it was overkill and really ended up making things more complicated than it needed to be, but I understand why Nomura wanted to make handheld title. Without the games, the KH franchise would've been dead until 2013. I feel like BBS should've stayed as a PS2 title (or PS3 since it came out in 2010), but Days and Coded work as a handheld title. DDD I'm fine with being on the 3DS but if they had made it with the intention of it being for 2.8 (I know 2.8 wasn't a thing by 2013 but hear me out), there's a lot more they could've done with DDD in terms of plot.
As much as people complain about KH being convoluted, it's really only DDD that made it that way. And you can tell that in KH3 Nomura was like "oh shit maybe I goofed here", because other than the Power of Waking, Riku being a Master and the ending leading right into KH3, the events in DDD aren't really addressed all that much. Although DDD is probably the way it is because of it setting the groundwork for the next saga, since it's clear that dreams and sleep are a big part here.
To be honest, I thought that DDD's journals were actually a big help in clarifying a lot and setting everything straight before KH3. The plot of DDD was basically to explain Master Xehanort's ultimate plan, give Sora and Riku/Master Xehanort a face-to-face confrontation (which they lacked), and to explain why Sora is weak at the start of KH3 (I feel like Nomura needs to stop this trend, even though it's a cool detail, it seems like every time new plot elements get made just for this).
After speaking with a fan of KH1/2 (hasn't played anything beyond those years ago, just reading stuff about future games), I realized that the presentation of the information in the games is what creates the convoluted nature. I never really saw it as convoluted because I knew all the details and I read the Ultimania etc. Maybe now that Nomura has all the details, plot twists, crazy reveals, explanations etc. readily available, the TV series can work on how to package all of that information into a more cohesive/effective complete product?
Someone might have suggested this already but what if this TV series is setting up the plot for KH5? Think about it, The Age of Fairytale stuff was being setup before KH3 happened, and KH4 is almost 90% likely going to be about the Foretellers introduced in the mobile games. Maybe the TV series is setting up for the saga after the Foretellers and we'll see several hints of it in KH4 instead of focusing on the story there. How evil would that be? Don't bother flaming me for suggesting it, I'm wearing fire absorbing equipment.
But in all seriousness it's probably just to spread KH. Like the scholastic book coming out...maybe.
At this point, I'll be disappointed if the rumor turned out to be false because of all the mental preparing we've done. lol
I certainly wouldn't argue with new fan members. It'd be like if the OG FFVII fans were getting into arguments with the FFVIIR newcomers, pointless because they're ultimately different stories.
You know, a while ago a very popular KH artist posted some artwork for a project she couldn't give details about. The main character looked a lot like Sora, but I dunno if it is him. Makes me wonder now. Like, I was going "Oh hoho secret Disney project." jokingly back then, but nowwww
You know, a while ago a very popular KH artist posted some artwork for a project she couldn't give details about. The main character looked a lot like Sora, but I dunno if it is him. Makes me wonder now. Like, I was going "Oh hoho secret Disney project." jokingly back then, but nowwww
I figured that might have been for the Scholastic grade school novels since it has "baby's first KH fanfic" written all over it, complete with a Sora knockoff and Disney characters that have broken the rules established by lore and company politics.
That's not to knock Nijuukoo's work, which is lovely as always. I've just been extremely pessimistic about those books ever since we saw that description in the Amazon listing lol
Ohhh, so it has to do with books huh?
Ohhh, so it has to do with books huh?
That's my guess? Idk, if you're trying to read into my post, I'm afraid you won't find anything :P
That's my guess? Idk, if you're trying to read into my post, I'm afraid you won't find anything :p
No no, I'm not reading into it. I just had no idea there were KH scholastic books. But, wouldn't be the first time Disney was interested in more anime like crossovers with their franchises. I think there was a manga a long time ago with a girl who went place to place to help the Disney princesses with something once...
No no, I'm not reading into it. I just had no idea there were KH scholastic books. But, wouldn't be the first time Disney was interested in more anime like crossovers with their franchises. I think there was a manga a long time ago with a girl who went place to place to help the Disney princesses with something once...
Yeah, it was a whole thing xD
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The description in the listing sure was something too:
| An all-new original middle-grade series based on the hit Disney video game! An original, canon story in the world of Disney's Kingdom Hearts that can only be found in the pages of this book! This first volume of a completely original middle-grade series combines Disney and Square characters with new heroes, in a new addition to the rich lore of this game. This first book in an all-new series is a must-read for fans of this hit game, and will tell a huge part of Kingdom Hearts lore that they have been clamoring for. |
I've been down on it for a while since, while I welcome new writers to join the series, the idea of someone waltzing in and proclaiming they're going to introduce new lore and characters just rubbed me the wrong way. And seems to have rubbed SE/Nomura the wrong way too, since this thing has been MIA since we first reported on it.
Not another source of canon material... urg
And seems to have rubbed SE/Nomura the wrong way too, since this thing has been MIA since we first reported on it.
Not to mention the fact that Scholastic refused to comment on it when I emailed them lol
*shudders* The series is already lore heavy as it is. I would rather leave anything regarding lore in the hands of Nomura/Square instead of letting someone else take a crack at it.
Well this thing has fallen eerie quiet. If it is happening I wonder when Square will announce it. I'm getting a little anxious, whether I should be excited or nervous I don't know. Combo of both.
Anyone kinda hope it cuts the Disney stuff out? The focus being Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy would interest me a lot. *please don’t kill me*
Anyone kinda hope it cuts the Disney stuff out? The focus being Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy would interest me a lot. *please don’t kill me*
Honestly, kinda. Like I always figured a Disney film based on KH would be the moment that KH is formally established as being a Disney property in its own right rather than a conduit for crossing over other Disney IP.
Like whatever it takes to make Kairi a fixture in the Disney Princess brand & Ansem/Xehanort in the Villains brand I'm in.
Anyone kinda hope it cuts the Disney stuff out? The focus being Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy would interest me a lot. *please don’t kill me*
If Disney+ isn’t keen on having a lot of their animated IPs crossing over (like with the Kingdom Keepers issue,) it could happen that way. I don’t think we’d get much or any FF in the series if they to cut the Disney material out entirely though. It would make it seem too much like a Square Enix property that happens to stream on Disney+. They should at least keep the main Disney characters like Donald and Goofy in the series to keep the spirit of a Disney and FF crossover.
But I can agree with you if we’re only talking the Disney worlds, which would likely just be filler episodes anyway.
I always wanted a Leon/Mickey prequel to 1. I always though there was a cool story behind how they possibly met.
If the rumor is true, I would like the series to tell the backstories of Micky Donald and Goofy. I’m really interested in how Micky became the King and how Donald and Goofy became such important characters in Disney castle, especially how and why Donald used Zetaflare for the first time.
I don’t think there is enough space to tell this story ingame but the Disney + series would be perfect. They should also include some evil Disney characters who summon some Heartless if the Heartless are going to appear.
Years ago I thought of a Riku spinoff as a fun way to retell the Xehanort saga without feeling like a rehash. Up until DDD Riku's adventures mostly took place offscreen so there's a lot that could be worth exploring. Plus it's also a way to make use of the "Another side Another story" tagline.
Also "Roxas, that's a stick" needs to by vocalized.
Ah, the memories that brings back of an insane joke I made in a Pokemon fic in which said stick became a godlike weapon by the time it crossed dimensions and fell into the hands of a mutated Raticate King. Good times :P
In all seriousness, I'm not sure what to make of this until we know what it'll be about. If it's a Slice of Life-style series that details events in the series not suited for the games, however, I'd kill for a episode featuring how Xion got the outfit she wore in KHIII's ending where she's taken shopping by Olette along with Naminé. Xion gets her collared sleeveless blouse with a white whereas Naminé...
...Just gets another white sundress - only a bit longer since she outgrew her CoM one long ago :P
What if what we thought was the Shibuya/Shinjuku game turns out to be this series? A 12-13 episode series meant to bridge the gap between KH3 and KH4.
What if what we thought was the Shibuya/Shinjuku game turns out to be this series? A 12-13 episode series meant to bridge the gap between KH3 and KH4.
Not sure if there'd be a whole lot of interest in a series based on whatever Sora is doing in Shinjuku/Shibuya; but taking advantage of the fact that this animated series can let the characters themselves breathe without gameplay getting in the way or having to progress the plot in that direction would make for an opportunity to explore what other characters outside of the main trio are up to between KHIII and Limit Cut.
What if what we thought was the Shibuya/Shinjuku game turns out to be this series? A 12-13 episode series meant to bridge the gap between KH3 and KH4.
I would hate that so much. For one, it'd be terrible of them to pull this. Hyping people with lies isn't cool. Secondly, I want to play this game-worthy story, dang it!
Well as long as it's a story we get to experience in some medium I don't think it would qualify as a lie. It would only be false advertisement if it was just glossed over.
Though DDD Volume 2 is definitely more likely to be a game then the focus of the tv series
What if what we thought was the Shibuya/Shinjuku game turns out to be this series? A 12-13 episode series meant to bridge the gap between KH3 and KH4.
I think that would be incredibly alienating for the Disney+ audience. That's almost 20 years of build up, lore, and character development to include in 12-13 episodes on a medium that houses people who aren't familiar with the series. Not to mention a Kingdom Hearts TV series primarily set in Shibuya would be missing the key component to what would entice Disney+ fans to watch - that being Disney worlds, characters, and stories.
Which is why a flat out reboot / reimagining works best for the medium. Anything that isn't that faces the alienation issue, as I feel like people would much rather watch a wide-eye boy teaming up with Donald and Goofy to help Alice in Wonderland, Aladdin in Agrabah, and Ariel in Atlantica than a confident boy with the strength of his 10 friends being in what may be purgatory after defeating one massive, universe ending foe.
I fully support the idea of a soft reboot/retelling of KH1 because not only is it the best starting point for newer fans, but it resolves any sort of issues of alienation that non KH fans might have. I know most fans are tired of KH1 retreads, but the idea of a Shibuya focused story, or Mickey Donald and Goofy looking for Sora, really just exacerbates and isolates newer potential fans.
I think that would be incredibly alienating for the Disney+ audience. That's almost 20 years of build up, lore, and character development to include in 12-13 episodes on a medium that houses people who aren't familiar with the series. Not to mention a Kingdom Hearts TV series primarily set in Shibuya would be missing the key component to what would entice Disney+ fans to watch - that being Disney worlds, characters, and stories.
Which is why a flat out reboot / reimagining works best for the medium. Anything that isn't that faces the alienation issue, as I feel like people would much rather watch a wide-eye boy teaming up with Donald and Goofy to help Alice in Wonderland, Aladdin in Agrabah, and Ariel in Atlantica than a confident boy with the strength of his 10 friends being in what may be purgatory after defeating one massive, universe ending foe.
As much as I'd like to see the cast introduced after the first game featured in more than the epilogue of the first season, you're probably right... And now that I think about it: they can do a lot more in a reimagining of the first game beyond incorporating/nodding to additions from later games in retelling its events simply because they have a lot more freedom with what they can do without the constraints being built around level design and gameplay considerations.
As much as I'd like to see the cast introduced after the first game featured in more than the epilogue of the first season, you're probably right... And now that I think about it: they can do a lot more in a reimagining of the first game beyond incorporating/nodding to additions from later games in retelling its events simply because they have a lot more freedom with what they can do without the constraints being built around level design and gameplay considerations.
Yeah, like I'd love to jump into Aqua's story and have her around ASAP but that is just pleasing this fan rather than going for the wider, larger audience.
With a reimagining they can incorporate the history of the Keyblade Masters, hint at TAV earlier on, explain Xehanort's motives and time travel in a more simplistic way rather than info dumping later on when convenient, pretty much just a whole bunch of editing and cleaning up of the franchise's story.
I say this because the series does have negativity surrounding its narrative that confuse even older people and the audience for the show will also incorporate younger age demographic. In the Frozen II doco on Disney+ they had a screening in San Diego where a whole bunch of kids of various ages watched a WIP of the film and the main takeaway from it was that things in the story needed to be simplified. KH needs that as well because this shouldn't be a show that's suppose to leave you feeling confused.
Well as long as it's a story we get to experience in some medium I don't think it would qualify as a lie. It would only be false advertisement if it was just glossed over.
Though DDD Volume 2 is definitely more likely to be a game then the focus of the tv series
It being a heavy reimagining would be ideal for me because then it doesn't really interfere with KH proper. (I am not very optimistic about this and kind of want to think it's just rumors.)
Whoops! I thought this was the TWEWY anime thread!
Don't sweat it. We all make mistakes at times
Yeah, like I'd love to jump into Aqua's story and have her around ASAP but that is just pleasing this fan rather than going for the wider, larger audience.
With a reimagining they can incorporate the history of the Keyblade Masters, hint at TAV earlier on, explain Xehanort's motives and time travel in a more simplistic way rather than info dumping later on when convenient, pretty much just a whole bunch of editing and cleaning up of the franchise's story.
I say this because the series does have negativity surrounding its narrative that confuse even older people and the audience for the show will also incorporate younger age demographic. In the Frozen II doco on Disney+ they had a screening in San Diego where a whole bunch of kids of various ages watched a WIP of the film and the main takeaway from it was that things in the story needed to be simplified. KH needs that as well because this shouldn't be a show that's suppose to leave you feeling confused.
I was mainly referring to making the retreads of the KH1 Disney world plotlines more interesting; but that would be a part of it. King Triton would be the main source of the first in the Atlantica episode; and for characters who appeared in BBS and KHI to allude to the former when noticing Sora's Keyblade and help hint at TAV for later on. I wouldn't give my hopes up for anything beyond Hooded Man Ansem doing more than implying that time travel was involved in how he came to be there, though; although I could be wrong and there could be a line in the "Ansem" Reports added theorizing the possibility or something.
I do wonder, though... If there were to be a "Season 2": how would they approach Chain of Memories and 358/2 Days? Separate seasons for each; or would there be overlap? I could see the KH1 Xemnas fight occurring in the episode prior to confronting Ansem in The End of the World to build up the Organization; and the births Roxas and Naminé (and possibly a scene implicitly being Xemnas passing along the memory data he collected from Sora during that fight to Vexen for Xion's creation) and likely the former's induction shown as the stinger
I do wonder, though... If there were to be a "Season 2": how would they approach Chain of Memories and 358/2 Days? Separate seasons for each; or would there be overlap? I could see the KH1 Xemnas fight occurring in the episode prior to confronting Ansem in The End of the World to build up the Organization; and the births Roxas and Naminé (and possibly a scene implicitly being Xemnas passing along the memory data he collected from Sora during that fight to Vexen for Xion's creation) and likely the former's induction shown as the stinger
Neither, let the show do its own thing & not be weighed by a convoluted, audience-alienating lore.
Honestly, I think mixing CoM and 358 as a collective season would be a good idea. With their respective stories aligning with each other on the timeline, you could tell 3 alternating stories, rotating between Sora, Riku and Roxas. As long as it has the right setup, it could work.
Whatever direction this series takes I'm looking forward to worlds with actual people and townsfolk. We could finally get spectators in Olympus Colosseum
Agrabah too seriously needs some actual people besides Aladdin Jasmine and that weird peddler guy.
Neither, let the show do its own thing & not be weighed by a convoluted, audience-alienating lore.
I think people underestimate how easily a KH show can go wrong if it follows the games. Different mediums require difference approaches and a show requires more concise writing.
I'm a bit surprised that nothing else about this series is coming out of the rumor mill.
After those tweets it just went dark, to the point where I occasionally forget that the rumor even exists.
I'm a bit surprised that nothing else about this series is coming out of the rumor mill.
After those tweets it just went dark, to the point where I occasionally forget that the rumor even exists.
I think it is just too early in development for them to speak on it, or after SE caught wind of insiders leaking info, they found a way to stop more info from coming out.
I can’t imagine they were happy at all about the leaks and would have definitely contacted Disney to make sure it doesn’t continue.
I'm a bit surprised that nothing else about this series is coming out of the rumor mill.
After those tweets it just went dark, to the point where I occasionally forget that the rumor even exists.
I paid for their patron and asked about the series for an episode of their podcast last month but I have been hesitant to share that since, y'know, it's behind a paywall.
I guess I'll transcribe it and hope there's no problems with sharing what was about a minute out of a fantastic 75 minute podcast (and if there is, Disinsider people, I'm happy to remove the text).
| "Ah man. Unfortunately not. It's just it's super early. There's so many rights things going on with Square Enix and Disney and where do the Final Fantasy rights lie, I'll have to look into that. And since it's a series, does it count? Cause film and series are two different rights sometimes so it's a little hard but it's super early. All we know is that they're looking at bringing the voice cast for the games back who basically voiced all these classic Disney characters. It's going to be animated - no way they're making a live action Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse..." "Well can you imagine the budget on that thing and the licensing on that. Well, I guess not really licensing but production budget." "Yeah exactly." |
Which doesn't really tell us anything new outside of those tweets. It's weird how suddenly KH information comes from Disney sources since they don't really dip their toes into the series, but like they said it's still really early.
Maybe Disney is getting more involved with KH after the success KH3 had because they finally realised its a lucrative property?
While everyone seems to have a consensus on a reimagination of KH1 as the setup for the story (which I'd love if done right as others mentioned, they could really make wonders with this by adding more references, editing some stuff in and out and making it more cohesive with later stuff), I think the best approach to this animation would be as a Chi duology animation?
The Gacha games were made to be an easy standalone to get in, after all. And they could easily make some fun stuff as the Book of Phopecy setup allows them to continuously use any worlds they want to use while being able to setup a cast of unique characters for the Player and other alliances, all the while selling merch of the different unions and marketing the very lucrative mobile games.
And for us consumers, it means we could finally have a proper adaptation of those games as Back Cover is really barebones (and it's more of a complementary piece rather than a tl;dr of the first game).
While everyone seems to have a consensus on a reimagination of KH1 as the setup for the story (which I'd love if done right as others mentioned, they could really make wonders with this by adding more references, editing some stuff in and out and making it more cohesive with later stuff), I think the best approach to this animation would be as a Chi duology animation?
The Gacha games were made to be an easy standalone to get in, after all. And they could easily make some fun stuff as the Book of Phopecy setup allows them to continuously use any worlds they want to use while being able to setup a cast of unique characters for the Player and other alliances, all the while selling merch of the different unions and marketing the very lucrative mobile games.
And for us consumers, it means we could finally have a proper adaptation of those games as Back Cover is really barebones (and it's more of a complementary piece rather than a tl;dr of the first game).
This would be fantastic but the rumours are based around them getting the Disney voice cast from the game back, including the voice actors for Donald and Goofy.
This would be fantastic but the rumours are based around them getting the Disney voice cast from the game back, including the voice actors for Donald and Goofy.
There could be a segment set in present time to introduce something that would feature Donald & Goofy, or maybe they could have Disney Town featured as a world; anything could work, really, since it'd be an adaptation of a game with a very loose story.
Still, I wouldn't be surprised if we see X/UX being adapted in a modern animation-esque way at some point since it allows for them to use the KH property while still writing a unique cast of characters, giving much more freedom for that sort of stuff. Kinda like the Star Wars animations, specially Rebels.
Wegothiscovered.com had an article where Ryan Potter was cast as a live action Sora. It's a clickbait rumor but i could see it working. Ryan Potter's the voice of Hiro from Big Hero 6. He also played Beast Boy in the Titans show and based on that performance I think he's a decent choice for Sora.
He's in his 20s right now so I'd probably get someone younger to play Sora. Unless you wanna set it when Sora is in his twenties. That's one way to tie into the games. If I was doing the Last Airbender or Legend of Korra I'd probably do that instead of redoing the show.
To be honest a live action Kingdom Hearts would be unwise but I am curious about it.
The best option for me would be to create a new protagonist and tell their story. The KH universe is pretty big and there were other things going on then Xehanort and his schemes. I'm thinking like Star Wars Rebels or Vigilantes the My Hero Academia spinoff.
Its an easier compromise to make and it harkens back to the series roots as a multi-fandom crossover fanfic with an oc lead. This line is meant to be cheeky than insulting.
It could jump the shark but it could be fun.
Will the story be the same? Or will Nomura fix it? And by fix it I mean will he make it easy to understand for many without them wrecking their brains when trying to understand the plot?
Will the story be the same? Or will Nomura fix it? And by fix it I mean will he make it easy to understand for many without them wrecking their brains when trying to understand the plot?
We don't really know what the D+ series is going to cover. We'll just have to wait and see what the KH staff come up with.
Do we currently even know for sure that the series is happening? It's been months since the rumour and since then there's been nothing on it.
Do we currently even know for sure that the series is happening? It's been months since the rumour and since then there's been nothing on it.
I'm fairly reassured in its existence unlike when it first got leaked. Those news sleuths from places like DisInsider have very reliable sources inside of the entertainment industry. The only reason we likely haven't heard anything else is because it is too early for there to be new information beyond what was leaked.
I mean who knows how delayed production on it is too considering the Rona
Will the story be the same? Or will Nomura fix it? And by fix it I mean will he make it easy to understand for many without them wrecking their brains when trying to understand the plot?
FF7r show us that he could always add new elements.....XD.
So be careful what you wish for ;)
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Rumors of a Disney Plus series based on Kingdom Hearts have been circulating the internet for a few weeks now. Skyler Shuler of the DisInsider has claimed that a Kingdom Hearts Disney Plus animated CGI television series is in development.
Shuler claims that the original voice actors are slated to return including Jim Cummings, Bill Farmer, and Tony Anselmo. Emre Kaya, writer at the Cinema Spot, tweeted that Square Enix was tapped to create the pilot for the series on Unreal Engine and that casting for the series is currently underway.
Despite the various reliable sources confirming this show is in development, an official announcement has not yet been made by Disney or Square Enix.
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Thanks to mriku90 for the tip!
[/parsehtml]Should be live action, look how well this guy dose Sora! Lol ?
I think "Once Upon A Time" is probably the closest we'd see to a live action Kingdom Hearts. The elevator pitch for the series would be "Once Upon a Time meets Star Wars".
It's still a bad idea but I can't stop thinking about it. I'd probably use someone new instead of Sora and the others. It feels like the path of least pain.
I think "Once Upon A Time" is probably the closest we'd see to a live action Kingdom Hearts. The elevator pitch for the series would be "Once Upon a Time meets Star Wars".
It's still a bad idea but I can't stop thinking about it. I'd probably use someone new instead of Sora and the others. It feels like the path of least pain.
It’s not kingdom hearts if it’s not Sora though
It’s not kingdom hearts if it’s not Sora though
I was fine with him not being the lead of every game. So I'm fine with testing that in a live action format.
Granted you could still adapt the Xehanort saga in live action. I was just laying out options and its not my preference.
I personally do not believe everything is meant to be made into live action and Kingdom Hearts is just one of those things.
CGI or 2D animation is really all we should ever get for KH.
Lol
I was fine with him not being the lead of every game. So I'm fine with testing that in a live action format.
Granted you could still adapt the Xehanort saga in live action. I was just laying out options and its not my preference.
lol but he’s the main character ? and Xehanort is the bad guy who lost to a bunch of children ?
I personally do not believe everything is meant to be made into live action and Kingdom Hearts is just one of those things.
CGI or 2D animation is really all we should ever get for KH.
Ya I’m ok with CGI to, just not all the commentary like they did with kh 358/2 and Re coded
Lol
lol but he’s the main character ? and Xehanort is the bad guy who lost to a bunch of children ?
By Xehanort saga I meant KH1-KH3 and the games in between. I thought those games were called the Xehanort saga. I also heard them referred as the Dark Seeker saga.
I don't think keeping Sora as the protagonist was a good idea but thats a whole other discussion.
Wegothiscovered.com had an article...
Imma stop you right there.
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By Xehanort saga I meant KH1-KH3 and the games in between. I thought those games were called the Xehanort saga. I also heard them referred as the Dark Seeker saga.
I don't think keeping Sora as the protagonist was a good idea but thats a whole other discussion.
It is called The Dark seeker saga but sums up as “Old man thought Darkness can beat light but failed...to a bunch of kids” lol he will always be the hero, Sora is the Perfect hero and he relies on his friends who give him strength who without him would not have bodies, released from realms of darkness and sleep and there’s nothing you can do about it ?
Since the Disney Investor Day is a thing, do you think we might get some potential news on this project( at least to confirm that it officially exists), or would it be too soon to say?
Personally I’m really not a big fan of this whole Kingdom Hearts TV series, It just feels like there is so much that could go wrong if not handled correctly. I’m hoping this won’t be canon to the games, in my opinion the last thing we need is having to watch a TV show to get more lore on this franchise, as much as I like the story of Union X having it being told through a mobile game would of definitely not been my first choice.
However if the TV show has to exist I hope it something along the lines of a spin off story were it does not affect the plot but keeps the rules of the KH universe in place. I would also be fine with a retelling of the story if they treated it similar to how they treat the manga. If they aren’t doing a retelling of the story then they need to find a way so that when someone who knows nothing about KH watches it they can simply enjoy the show and just appreciate the characters and worlds and if there still interested they can just buy the games without feeling overwhelmed by plot before they even had a chance to pick up KH1, but they also need to make sure that they keep what current fans of the franchise like about the series and not mess up stuff like characters to a point where it doesn’t feel like KH anymore.
Since the Disney Investor Day is a thing, do you think we might get some potential news on this project( at least to confirm that it officially exists), or would it be too soon to say?
It’s already come and gone with no announcement, which I’m sure you’re aware of. But Nomura did say 2022 so no announcement here was a given. The original Disney TV show projects sound exciting though.
It’s already come and gone with no announcement, which I’m sure you’re aware of. But Nomura did say 2022 so no announcement here was a given. The original Disney TV show projects sound exciting though.
Yeah, it probably was too soon to expect any news this soon, but still. At this rate, I just want a series announced just so we know what we're in for.
Imagine if this show becomes such a hit, Disney goes & announces like 10 spin-offs at the next investor meeting.
Imagine if this show becomes such a hit, Disney goes & announces like 10 spin-offs at the next investor meeting.
I'm game as long as Lea gets a spinoff.
Imagine if this show becomes such a hit, Disney goes & announces like 10 spin-offs at the next investor meeting.
Please, end me.
Imagine if this show becomes such a hit, Disney goes & announces like 10 spin-offs at the next investor meeting.
Do you really think I'm going to say no to an idea like this in a dedicated Kingdom Hearts forum?
No, I mean yes. I want this.
“Your developers were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.”
Y'know what this and MCU Spider-Man 3 have in common?
They kinda just exist but have zero info cuz whatever i guesd
Y'know what this and MCU Spider-Man 3 have in common?
They kinda just exist but have zero info cuz whatever i guesd
Didn't you hear? They're getting Billy Zane back as Ansem in SM3.
Imagine if this show becomes such a hit, Disney goes & announces like 10 spin-offs at the next investor meeting.
I would be happy with 10 spin off GAMES (and not KHUX mobile trash games). We have more than enough characters to do that easily, and Disney can advertise all they want in the games.
Imagine if this show becomes such a hit, Disney goes & announces like 10 spin-offs at the next investor meeting.
As long as they don’t make any of the spin offs another TV show I would really like that.
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Last reports said that the pilot would apparently be made in Unreal Engine by Square. So this would follow a majority of the cutscenes made in 0.2, KH3, and MoM outside of things like the 0.2 and KH3 opening cinematics or that screenshot you provided. Whether they'll keep it like that when the pilot is done and they'll keep it like that for the rest of the series, or if they decide to change the CG software and use something that isn't Unreal Engine? We'll have to wait and see.
Last reports said that the pilot would apparently be made in Unreal Engine by Square. So this would follow a majority of the cutscenes made in 0.2, KH3, and MoM outside of things like the 0.2 and KH3 opening cinematics or that screenshot you provided. Whether they'll keep it like that when the pilot is done and they'll keep it like that for the rest of the series, or if they decide to change the CG software and use something that isn't Unreal Engine? We'll have to wait and see.
That's great! Once they don't use fishface for the TV series, I'm good.
Last reports said that the pilot would apparently be made in Unreal Engine by Square. So this would follow a majority of the cutscenes made in 0.2, KH3, and MoM outside of things like the 0.2 and KH3 opening cinematics or that screenshot you provided. Whether they'll keep it like that when the pilot is done and they'll keep it like that for the rest of the series, or if they decide to change the CG software and use something that isn't Unreal Engine? We'll have to wait and see.
Well whichever I’m still excited ?
That's great! Once they don't use fishface for the TV series, I'm good.
You want to look at Back Cover as the example lol
Have there been any credible rumors about the plot of the series? I hope it's not just a retelling of the games, I feel like we've had enough of those already in the games themselves. I'd like the series to take place post-MoM and focus on what the characters are up to now, especially Kairi.
Have there been any credible rumors about the plot of the series? I hope it's not just a retelling of the games, I feel like we've had enough of those already in the games themselves. I'd like the series to take place post-MoM and focus on what the characters are up to now, especially Kairi.
Yes, the two used as the source of this article in the OP are highly reliable; DisInsider and Cinema Spot.
Larger publications did not pick this up only because it is still so early and anything can happen + most don’t know wtf Kingdom Hearts is lol
Yes, the two used as the source of this article in the OP are highly reliable; DisInsider and Cinema Spot.
Larger publications did not pick this up only because it is still so early and anything can happen + most don’t know wtf Kingdom Hearts is lol
Now I'm imagining a journalist who studied for years in college in order to report on the big, important news having to do research on this series for the first time in their life and it makes me laugh! ?
Last reports said that the pilot would apparently be made in Unreal Engine by Square. So this would follow a majority of the cutscenes made in 0.2, KH3, and MoM outside of things like the 0.2 and KH3 opening cinematics or that screenshot you provided. Whether they'll keep it like that when the pilot is done and they'll keep it like that for the rest of the series, or if they decide to change the CG software and use something that isn't Unreal Engine? We'll have to wait and see.
The Mandalorian is like 90% Unreal Engine made backgrounds. The engine itself won't an issue.
I presume Disney will actually quality control this in terms of writing, acting and dialogue?
The Mandalorian is like 90% Unreal Engine made backgrounds. The engine itself won't an issue.
Oh I don't doubt how good Unreal Engine can get. It's just more or less a possibility I just threw out there if they ever decide to do it anyway, like say for example if they just end up deciding to let Visual Works animate the whole series and really do make it look like a lot of the cinematic KH openings.
I presume Disney will actually quality control this in terms of writing, acting and dialogue?
We have no idea what Disney controls on this project(if it exists) outside of possibly Disney character portrayals. We don’t even know what this project will be based on in regards to Kingdom Hearts. Xehanort Saga as a whole? The Keyblade War? The Aftermath of said war? It’s still too early to tell.
I find it interesting how the rumors for this series were circling around for a bit, but ever since the initial rumors, not much has surfaced afterwards. I really hope the series ends up being a thing!
I find it interesting how the rumors for this series were circling around for a bit, but ever since the initial rumors, not much has surfaced afterwards. I really hope the series ends up being a thing!
That tends to happen when there isn’t much to be said beyond it being in development. Also knowing SE, they probably caught wind of the insiders leaking the project and probably have everything on lock and key.
i hope they get comedians to voice sora and riku.
also it was cool when i made the first thread on this legendary topic and was publicly beaten and silenced for it... an elephant never forgets
I hope for Disney boss fights and not giant heartless fights.
I hope for Disney boss fights and not giant heartless fights.
or perhaps a combination of the two.
I hope for Disney boss fights and not giant heartless fights.
As long as we get to hear Jasmine and Pinocchio complaining for Sora and Co. to save them, they won't be that bad.
after all, "It's scary in here!"
I hope for Disney boss fights and not giant heartless fights.
If we’re getting an adaptation of Sora's story up to this point, we’re likely getting a mix of both
We have no idea what Disney controls on this project(if it exists) outside of possibly Disney character portrayals. We don’t even know what this project will be based on in regards to Kingdom Hearts. Xehanort Saga as a whole? The Keyblade War? The Aftermath of said war? It’s still too early to tell.
I'm still hoping for it to be a revised telling of the Xehanort saga. Make it an alternate worldline so that it's canon but is separate to the events of the games just like how the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Marvel Games and Marvel Comics are their own continuity.
I'm still hoping for it to be a revised telling of the Xehanort saga. Make it an alternate worldline so that it's canon but is separate to the events of the games just like how the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Marvel Games and Marvel Comics are their own continuity.
That’s what I'm hoping for too: A FF7R-esque retelling, focused only on the Xehanort saga.
Personally I'd hope for it to use Amano's character designs in the series, but they’re probably going to use their cutscenes models if it’s a CG series.
I think this could work if it's done right. To be honest I don't think it will be a retelling of the series. Nomura-san will most likely come up with an original story that ties in with the games. Personally I think Luxu's story would be an interesting idea for a show. I would also prefer an anime art style but CG is more likely.
My best guess - assuming this is actually a thing - is that this series will be either an interquel or companion to the next mainline game, focusing on one or multiple of our existing protagonist groups. There's a word for this - "hyperserial narrative" - which describes stories that are broad in expanse, consisting of multiple micro-stories which add up to a broader meta-story across multiple media. KH as a series has always toyed with this structure but has leaned into it more explicitly in recent years; hence the on-the-nose MCU-style branding with the 2020 trailer, and the way ReMind/MoM/the mobile releases have outlined a future in which multiple branching stories will intersect/interact.
The supposed scope of the next game - Riku/Yozora/Sora in Quadratum - is already potentially so vast that it would be incomprehensible to also manage progression on all of the following narrative threads headed by our multiple protagonists in the same game: Mickey in Scala, Kairi/Aqua, Ven and his past, the Twilight gang (Subject X etc), and the potential return of Ephemer/et al, not to mention all the potential sub-plots (e.g., Laurium/Elrena, Foretellers, Xehanort's classmates/upperclassmen), which could be woven into any one or multiple of these narratives.
The scope here is huge, and it's hard for me to envision a world in which, with this ever-expanding "hyperserial" to work with, Nomura would opt to use a major medium such as a TV series for a reboot, instead of progressing one or two these essential protagonist threads. Sure, you could make the argument that KH has managed multiple storylines before through the release of multiple games, but I don't think that's really applicable here for a couple reasons:
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[*]With rare exception, few of those games actually progressed chronologically simultaneous plotlines that were moving toward a common goal/outcome. At most, we had CoM/Days, and Days was made after that main arc was completed in KH2 to fill in some gaps. The same can be said of 0.2. Of course, some threads from Days later found their way into the broader meta-story that culminated in KH3, but that's a very different approach from what we're seeing now, with the stage/next steps clearly outlined for each group post-MoM.
[*]I think the days of smaller budget handhelds to substantially move the plot forward are behind us. The mobile games are obviously an exception, but it's important to note that these stories are not driving the present narrative/continuity forward; they provide lore and context, which can certainly be woven in later, but no one can in seriousness speculate that, for example, Lea/Isa/Subject X's story will be told in chibi-gacha format. These teams are working with hardcore hardware and major advances in game dev capabilities and it's clear Nomura has an ambitious plan for the future of the series.
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The dev cycle for future games won't be short but there are a lot of simultaneous narrative threads to push forward; it would be a smart move on Nomura's part to leverage the Disney+ series for this purpose, and I don't see how it would "over-complicate" things as some folks seem to imply. If anything, it could help streamline what right now appears to be a chaotic clump of multiple moving parts.
My best guess - assuming this is actually a thing - is that this series will be either an interquel or companion to the next mainline game, focusing on one or multiple of our existing protagonist groups. There's a word for this - "hyperserial narrative" - which describes stories that are broad in expanse, consisting of multiple micro-stories which add up to a broader meta-story across multiple media. KH as a series has always toyed with this structure but has leaned into it more explicitly in recent years; hence the on-the-nose MCU-style branding with the 2020 trailer, and the way ReMind/MoM/the mobile releases have outlined a future in which multiple branching stories will intersect/interact.
The supposed scope of the next game - Riku/Yozora/Sora in Quadratum - is already potentially so vast that it would be incomprehensible to also manage progression on all of the following narrative threads headed by our multiple protagonists in the same game: Mickey in Scala, Kairi/Aqua, Ven and his past, the Twilight gang (Subject X etc), and the potential return of Ephemer/et al, not to mention all the potential sub-plots (e.g., Laurium/Elrena, Foretellers, Xehanort's classmates/upperclassmen), which could be woven into any one or multiple of these narratives.
The scope here is huge, and it's hard for me to envision a world in which, with this ever-expanding "hyperserial" to work with, Nomura would opt to use a major medium such as a TV series for a reboot, instead of progressing one or two these essential protagonist threads. Sure, you could make the argument that KH has managed multiple storylines before through the release of multiple games, but I don't think that's really applicable here for a couple reasons:
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[*]With rare exception, few of those games actually progressed chronologically simultaneous plotlines that were moving toward a common goal/outcome. At most, we had CoM/Days, and Days was made after that main arc was completed in KH2 to fill in some gaps. The same can be said of 0.2. Of course, some threads from Days later found their way into the broader meta-story that culminated in KH3, but that's a very different approach from what we're seeing now, with the stage/next steps clearly outlined for each group post-MoM.
[*]I think the days of smaller budget handhelds to substantially move the plot forward are behind us. The mobile games are obviously an exception, but it's important to note that these stories are not driving the present narrative/continuity forward; they provide lore and context, which can certainly be woven in later, but no one can in seriousness speculate that, for example, Lea/Isa/Subject X's story will be told in chibi-gacha format. These teams are working with hardcore hardware and major advances in game dev capabilities and it's clear Nomura has an ambitious plan for the future of the series.
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The dev cycle for future games won't be short but there are a lot of simultaneous narrative threads to push forward; it would be a smart move on Nomura's part to leverage the Disney+ series for this purpose, and I don't see how it would "over-complicate" things as some folks seem to imply. If anything, it could help streamline what right now appears to be a chaotic clump of multiple moving parts.
So essentially you see them pulling a Kingsglaive FFXV but through a series telling rather than a movie. As much as I don’t want that, it’s definitely a possibility.
So essentially you see them pulling a Kingsglaive FFXV but through a series telling rather than a movie. As much as I don’t want that, it’s definitely a possibility.
Yea, something like that. I’ll refrain from actually speculating what the content could be, but I think it’ll either help drive the next game forward, or work alongside the next game in preparation for the game after that. Whatever it is, they’ll definitely save Quadratum goings-on for the next AAA game, but that leaves plenty of other potential, especially if the typical flow of time (for instance) doesn’t apply between “Unreality” and “Reality.” Anyone’s guess, though.
Yeah using the show to deal with some of the open remaining plot lines would make sense. KH seems to want to have the characters split up and going on their own journeys leading towards the same goal it would seem.
Though I also wouldn't mind a "BBS vol 2" Fragmentary Passage type deal where you play different campaigns (the size of 0.2 or a bit bigger) all focusing on different characters and following the various plot threads while including their own Disney worlds.
Though I also wouldn't mind a "BBS vol 2" Fragmentary Passage type deal where you play different campaigns (the size of 0.2 or a bit bigger) all focusing on different characters and following the various plot threads while including their own Disney worlds.
Yes please. The elegance of 0.2 and the simplicity of its narrative is what makes it so damn good. It is, in essence, an externalisation of internal trauma.
The rest of the plot is tangential. And that demented world that represents Aqua's inner strife is so well done and so beautifully presented that it just forms a lovely, singular, purposeful story. To then have it also be a very literal descent into the wider KH world's depths of darkness just makes it even more deft in its execution.
It's so good as a spectacle that I can actually overlook often terrible discount anime dub dialogue.
For as popular as Kingdom Hearts is, the majority of Disney+ subscribers are not experts of the series. Therefore, the only logical move for the show would be alternate worldline retelling of the Xehanort saga. For a lot of Disney+ subscribers, their first exposure to Kingdom Hearts would be the Disney+ series because they're not gamers. It would be illogical to make the Kingdom Hearts Disney+ show a direct companion series to the games because that would alienate potentially newer fans to the show.
For as popular as Kingdom Hearts is, the majority of Disney+ subscribers are not experts of the series. Therefore, the only logical move for the show would be alternate worldline retelling of the Xehanort saga. For a lot of Disney+ subscribers, their first exposure to Kingdom Hearts would be the Disney+ series because they're not gamers. It would be illogical to make the Kingdom Hearts Disney+ show a direct companion series to the games because that would alienate potentially newer fans to the show.
Agreed, but...
There are ways to do it that could work for both crowds. Avoiding the mistakes of KHuX would be a good start. Make the world bigger and deeper, not more intricate and dense.
Agreed, but...
There are ways to do it that could work for both crowds. Avoiding the mistakes of KHuX would be a good start. Make the world bigger and deeper, not more intricate and dense.
The existence of a Kingdom Hearts Disney+ show is going to get the diehard fans, gaming enthusiasts and the nostalgic people on board as new subscribers. However, the more important factor of this show's success is how well it resonates with the existing Disney+ subscribers because they're going to be the determining factor as to whether the show will have more than one season.
I feel like if they do what I thought MoM was setting up - a post-MoM Mickey adventure throughtout the worlds, possibly with Donald and Goofy with him - they could continue the story but be about recognizable enough characters that people who don't know Kingdom Hearts would tune in just for the Disney character adventures.
My biggest fear of a Xehanort Saga retelling is that it would start the same, but have some kind of divergence at some point, making it into a parallel reality that would eventually clash with the games and make some kind of multiverse mess. Because that definitely feels like something Square Enix would do, considering FFVIIR.
My biggest fear of a Xehanort Saga retelling is that it would start the same, but have some kind of divergence at some point, making it into a parallel reality that would eventually clash with the games and make some kind of multiverse mess. Because that definitely feels like something Square Enix would do, considering FFVIIR.
Uhm, do the devs read these forums by any chance?
IMO the series cannot work unless it diverges from the video games. I believe had Kingdom Hearts been more mainstream earlier on, it would’ve been raked across the coals for it’s handling of characters and plot points. Kairi’s story just doesn’t work unless it’s drastically changed for the series, and the lore behind Master Xehanort needs to be cemented with no conflicting dialogue or characterization. More importantly they’ll have to take the Days approach and focus on characters first, then plot points.
My biggest fear of a Xehanort Saga retelling is that it would start the same, but have some kind of divergence at some point, making it into a parallel reality that would eventually clash with the games and make some kind of multiverse mess. Because that definitely feels like something Square Enix would do, considering FFVIIR.
I'm probably gonna sound crazy for saying this, but I actually want that. Have it be a retelling separate from the games, only diverging in small ways around KH3. Just so the Xehanort Saga is the focus of the retelling, and so that A) anything plot brought up in the game(like that stupid black box) gets a potential answer, and B) it gives more screen time to some characters people wanted to see at the time.
Uhm, do the devs read these forums by any chance?
Not as far as I know:unsure:
Uhm, do the devs read these forums by any chance?
Yes. Casually. They've also popped by from time to time to read up on story explanations for things they aren't super familiar with.
read up on story explanations for things they aren't super familiar with.
Clearly hasn't helped.
So how many episodes do you guys think would be enough to adapt the first game? I'm thinking 20-25 would be good for a first season
So how many episodes do you guys think would be enough to adapt the first game? I'm thinking 20-25 would be good for a first season
A taut eight-episode HBO miniseries over a long-winded ABC network TV soap opera, any day.
Clearly hasn't helped.
The handful of people actually involved in writing the story are not among them. Figured that was obvious.
I think a re-telling works best instead of following Mickey in this current timeline only because Disney would want people to tune in to watch their favourite characters go up against their favourite villains. Sora has already murdered many Disney villains and the movie plot for the worlds has panned out. A re-telling lets them do it all over again while being appealing to people outside of the Kingdom Hearts bubble.
Also I'd like to imagine each world is a two-parter, kind of like how A Series of Unfortunate Events turned each book into two episodes. The original world episodes could vary since I don't think you need more than one episode each for Destiny Islands and the first visit to Traverse Town, so my ideal season length would hang around the late teens.
(Destiny Islands - 1 episode
Traverse Town - 1 episode
Wonderland - 2 episodes
Olympus - 2 episodes
Agrabah - 2 episodes
Halloween Town - 2 episodes
Monstro - 2 episodes
Atlantica - 2 episodes
Neverland - 2 episodes
Hollow Bastion - 3 episodes
End of the World - 1 episode)
I think a re-telling works best instead of following Mickey in this current timeline only because Disney would want people to tune in to watch their favourite characters go up against their favourite villains. Sora has already murdered many Disney villains and the movie plot for the worlds has panned out. A re-telling lets them do it all over again while being appealing to people outside of the Kingdom Hearts bubble.
Also I'd like to imagine each world is a two-parter, kind of like how A Series of Unfortunate Events turned each book into two episodes. The original world episodes could vary since I don't think you need more than one episode each for Destiny Islands and the first visit to Traverse Town, so my ideal season length would hang around the late teens.
(Destiny Islands - 1 episode
Traverse Town - 1 episode
Wonderland - 2 episodes
Olympus - 2 episodes
Agrabah - 2 episodes
Halloween Town - 2 episodes
Monstro - 2 episodes
Atlantica - 2 episodes
Neverland - 2 episodes
Hollow Bastion - 3 episodes
End of the World - 1 episode)
I'd make End of World a two parter as well. One episode dealing with exploring the world and Chernabog and the other one for the final fight with Ansem.
Yes. Casually. They've also popped by from time to time to read up on story explanations for things they aren't super familiar with.
This is why I keep calling Demyx's original form "Emyd" and Luxord's original form "Durol". I'm hoping they go with those names after reading the forums. It failed for Arlene :'(
I think the series could be 13 hour long episodes:
[LIST=1]
[*]Destiny Islands
[*]Traverse Town
[*]Wonderland
[*]Olympus Coliseum
[*]Deep Jungle
[*]Traverse Town Part 2
[*]Agrabah
[*]Monstro
[*]Atlantica
[*]Halloween Town
[*]NeverLand
[*]Traverse Town Part 3/Hollow Bastion
[*]End of the World
[/LIST]
The Traverse Town episodes will also have Sora visit the 100 Acre Wood.
This is why I keep calling Demyx's original form "Emyd" and Luxord's original form "Durol". I'm hoping they go with those names after reading the forums. It failed for Arlene :'(
Those are the exact names that I had in mind for them as well
I wonder if optional content in the games would be included in a retelling. Would enemies like Kurt Zisa and Phantom show up?
And I wonder if Sora would be switching keychains or just using Kingdom Key throughout the entire journey.
I wonder if optional content in the games would be included in a retelling. Would enemies like Kurt Zisa and Phantom show up?
And I wonder if Sora would be switching keychains or just using Kingdom Key throughout the entire journey.
Wouldn't they have to pay Kurt Zisa a fee to be used in a blockbuster, hit TV show on Disney+ in perpetuity for his name/likeness? I doubt Disney will do that. I can see Phantom being woven into the storyline of NeverLand, since the world is short. It can appear at the clock tower after Peter Pan and Wendy leave, as a token of Riku's darkness or something.
I would love for Sora to use the keychain from the world at the start, then switch when he goes into another world. That way the keyblade matches the location. They can even say that the keyblade does that to conceal its true form or something. I always wished we got the world's keychain at the start of the world. It always bugged me going into Halloween Town with the Atlantica keyblade - just seemed so off.
I wonder if optional content in the games would be included in a retelling. Would enemies like Kurt Zisa and Phantom show up?
And I wonder if Sora would be switching keychains or just using Kingdom Key throughout the entire journey.
Maybe optional content would be saved for Pixar style shorts.
And he would most likely be using Kingdom Key since it's the most recognizable
Maybe Sora could use Oathkeeper in the final episodes once Kairi gives him her luck charm. Oblivion as well at some point if Riku gives him the keychain like what was originally planned
Maybe Sora could use Oathkeeper in the final episodes once Kairi gives him her luck charm. Oblivion as well at some point if Riku gives him the keychain like what was originally planned
I can see him using Oblivion after he is turned into a heartless, then using Oathkeeper at End of the World. Then during the Ansem fight, it turns back into Kingdom Key.
Maybe Sora could use Oathkeeper in the final episodes once Kairi gives him her luck charm. Oblivion as well at some point if Riku gives him the keychain like what was originally planned
If keychains are a thing in the retelling then these two absolutely need to be used and not just for Sora's sake but for the future blonde character. They're too iconic to be ignored, it's hard to imagine Sora and Roxas without them. Stuff like Diamond Dust would probably be skipped and that's fine. But Oathkeeper and Oblivion? Gotta have them!
I wonder if the silly keychains would be included. Imagine episodes where the characters are fighting for their lives and dealing with serious drama but they’re using keychains like Sweet Memory or Sweetstack.
This is why I keep calling Demyx's original form "Emyd" and Luxord's original form "Durol". I'm hoping they go with those names after reading the forums. It failed for Arlene :'(
Like I said, no one actually responsible for making those decisions comes here. My comment was strictly referring to Yasue and members of the team he oversees at the Osaka office who are building the game and aren't involved or familiar with the writing.
Tbh even if they did, the general rule of thumb is to not let inmates run the asylum lol
An original retelling, a separate story focusing on Mickey, or an original story with original characters are the only options that make sense for reaching a broad audience.
If Sora has to ever be mentioned in the latter two options, do a recap at the beginning talking about a great Keyblade hero who save the world many times with the power of his friends but make him all shadowed like how Mickey was in KH1 xD
Wouldn't they have to pay Kurt Zisa a fee to be used in a blockbuster, hit TV show on Disney+ in perpetuity for his name/likeness?
No, because the contest he won probably had in the contract that he would be signing away use of his name for KH. The reward was it being in KH1.
Like I said, no one actually responsible for making those decisions comes here. My comment was strictly referring to Yasue and members of the team he oversees at the Osaka office who are building the game and aren't involved or familiar with the writing.
Tbh even if they did, the general rule of thumb is to not let inmates run the asylum lol
I've made a huge mess. My original post was a bad joke about not giving them any bad ideas. Even if that idea was what OP didn't want to see.
An original retelling, a separate story focusing on Mickey, or an original story with original characters are the only options that make sense for reaching a broad audience.
If Sora has to ever be mentioned in the latter two options, do a recap at the beginning talking about a great Keyblade hero who save the world many times with the power of his friends but make him all shadowed like how Mickey was in KH1 xD
No, because the contest he won probably had in the contract that he would be signing away use of his name for KH. The reward was it being in KH1.
Yes, the contract was probably for KH1 only. Which is probably why we never see Kurt Zisa used anywhere or referenced anywhere except in KH1. I imagine it's like Deep Jungle, where they can only use his name/likeness/design in KH1 and nowhere else.
Wouldn't they have to pay Kurt Zisa a fee to be used in a blockbuster, hit TV show on Disney+ in perpetuity for his name/likeness? I doubt Disney will do that. I can see Phantom being woven into the storyline of NeverLand, since the world is short. It can appear at the clock tower after Peter Pan and Wendy leave, as a token of Riku's darkness or something.
I was thinking about this stuff. I personally would love it if all super bosses were included but for the sake of simplicity the unimportant encounters would probably be excluded. Phantom can easily be skipped. One of Xion’s monster forms was seemingly based on Kurt Zisa, I think that makes the Zisa encounter somewhat important to the lore but it could probably be skipped without issue. Sephiroth’s KH1 appearance was already retconned even if that makes One-Winged Angel being in Chain of Memories awkward but whatever. Assuming Sephiroth shows up at all they’ll probably save him for the KH2 season. Ice Titan shows up in Recoded which means Jiminy Cricket wrote about him thus making the Gold Match canon in KH1...not that every detail of game canon really matters, the retelling will do its own thing, but the show might want to include Ice Titan because of this. But then we have something that cannot be skipped. The Unknown encounter.
Xemnas tasting Sora’s memories is a small but very important chapter of KH1 and a retelling of this fight has many interesting possibilities. Maybe they’ll reveal more information to the audience compared to what players got in Final Mix. Bigger hints or full reveals about Xemnas, Nobodies, replica program, Org 13, etc. The writers might not want to be coy with this sort of stuff in the retelling, they’ll need to hook watchers for the upcoming seasons based on CoM, Days, and KH2. Sora himself probably wouldn’t learn about this stuff but a show has ways of revealing information without the main character actually knowing, like a scene of Xemnas having a conversation with Xigbar just before he leaves to troll Sora in Hollow Bastion.
I was thinking about this stuff. I personally would love it if all super bosses were included but for the sake of simplicity the unimportant encounters would probably be excluded. Phantom can easily be skipped. One of Xion’s monster forms was seemingly based on Kurt Zisa, I think that makes the Zisa encounter somewhat important to the lore but it could probably be skipped without issue. Sephiroth’s KH1 appearance was already retconned even if that makes One-Winged Angel being in Chain of Memories awkward but whatever. Assuming Sephiroth shows up at all they’ll probably save him for the KH2 season. Ice Titan shows up in Recoded which means Jiminy Cricket wrote about him thus making the Gold Match canon in KH1...not that every detail of game canon really matters, the retelling will do its own thing, but the show might want to include Ice Titan because of this. But then we have something that cannot be skipped. The Unknown encounter.
Xemnas tasting Sora’s memories is a small but very important chapter of KH1 and a retelling of this fight has many interesting possibilities. Maybe they’ll reveal more information to the audience compared to what players got in Final Mix. Bigger hints or full reveals about Xemnas, Nobodies, replica program, Org 13, etc. The writers might not want to be coy with this sort of stuff in the retelling, they’ll need to hook watchers for the upcoming seasons based on CoM, Days, and KH2. Sora himself probably wouldn’t learn about this stuff but a show has ways of revealing information without the main character actually knowing, like a scene of Xemnas having a conversation with Xigbar just before he leaves to troll Sora in Hollow Bastion.
Reading all this actually gets me excited for a retelling of Kingsom Hearts written by an actual, bona fide, competent screenwriter and with the hindsight of these two decades behind them.
I've changed my mind. Bring on the re-telling of KH1.
As long as they don't push the idea of a love triangle between Sora and Riku for Kairi like KH1 vaguely tried to imply on the surface level, then I'm all for a KH1 retelling.
As long as they don't push the idea of a love triangle between Sora and Riku for Kairi like KH1 vaguely tried to imply on the surface level, then I'm all for a KH1 retelling.
Unless the love triangle is Sora having to chose between Riku and Kairi.
Edit: to avoid any doubt I don't actually want any love triangles in Kingdom Hearts.
Unless it's Chip, Jiminy Cricket and Yensid. Then I'm down.
Yes, the contract was probably for KH1 only. Which is probably why we never see Kurt Zisa used anywhere or referenced anywhere except in KH1. I imagine it's like Deep Jungle, where they can only use his name/likeness/design in KH1 and nowhere else.
I think the only thing they used from Kurt is his name, so I doubt the likeness/design would be an issue and if it is well there's always Savage Vanguard that could take his place.
If they are going to go for a retelling I hope they do go for a streamlining and maybe smooth over the bumps that the series' recons have formed. Also I'd like it if they could include little aspects of the other retellings we've gotten, both the Manga and Novels have some good ideas that could help flesh out the story for a TV series. Such as Sora finding Kairi when she washed ashore. Actually they should just completely replace Game Kairi with Manga Kairi.
My biggest fear of a Xehanort Saga retelling is that it would start the same, but have some kind of divergence at some point, making it into a parallel reality that would eventually clash with the games and make some kind of multiverse mess. Because that definitely feels like something Square Enix would do, considering FFVIIR.
Considering the fact that both Marvel and DC are going into multiverse territory with their feature films, multiverse shenanigans isn't going to be a foreign concept to audiences anymore.
So how many episodes do you guys think would be enough to adapt the first game? I'm thinking 20-25 would be good for a first season
Unless each episode is an hour long, or the pacing is near perfection, I honestly don’t see 25 episodes working for adapting KH1. I could see it working for games like Chain of Memories and 358/2, but not KH1. Last thing I'd want is for them to pull a Persona 5 or Ace Attorney and have it’s anime rush through the plot of the game(or in Ace Attorney’s case, two games in its first season). Personally I'd hope for it to be at least 45-51 episodes(or at least 2 25-episode seasons), just to have some breathing room. But I guess it also depends on how they adapt each world, like how in the novel Destiny Islands' events before the storm take place in the same day.
I was thinking about this stuff. I personally would love it if all super bosses were included but for the sake of simplicity the unimportant encounters would probably be excluded. Phantom can easily be skipped. One of Xion’s monster forms was seemingly based on Kurt Zisa, I think that makes the Zisa encounter somewhat important to the lore but it could probably be skipped without issue. Sephiroth’s KH1 appearance was already retconned even if that makes One-Winged Angel being in Chain of Memories awkward but whatever. Assuming Sephiroth shows up at all they’ll probably save him for the KH2 season. Ice Titan shows up in Recoded which means Jiminy Cricket wrote about him thus making the Gold Match canon in KH1...not that every detail of game canon really matters, the retelling will do its own thing, but the show might want to include Ice Titan because of this. But then we have something that cannot be skipped. The Unknown encounter.
Xemnas tasting Sora’s memories is a small but very important chapter of KH1 and a retelling of this fight has many interesting possibilities. Maybe they’ll reveal more information to the audience compared to what players got in Final Mix. Bigger hints or full reveals about Xemnas, Nobodies, replica program, Org 13, etc. The writers might not want to be coy with this sort of stuff in the retelling, they’ll need to hook watchers for the upcoming seasons based on CoM, Days, and KH2. Sora himself probably wouldn’t learn about this stuff but a show has ways of revealing information without the main character actually knowing, like a scene of Xemnas having a conversation with Xigbar just before he leaves to troll Sora in Hollow Bastion.
Even if Xion's form was based on Kurt Zisa, that wouldn't need a signed form from Kurt to allow since it's not actually his heartless or directly identified by his name.
Ice Titan was confirmed to have been fought in KH1, but I think it was a fake or clone or something. The real one was fought in KH3.
I think the only thing they used from Kurt is his name, so I doubt the likeness/design would be an issue and if it is well there's always Savage Vanguard that could take his place.
If they are going to go for a retelling I hope they do go for a streamlining and maybe smooth over the bumps that the series' recons have formed. Also I'd like it if they could include little aspects of the other retellings we've gotten, both the Manga and Novels have some good ideas that could help flesh out the story for a TV series. Such as Sora finding Kairi when she washed ashore. Actually they should just completely replace Game Kairi with Manga Kairi.
I thought the contest was a design contest? I thought he submitted the best design and won? If not, then they can just rename the heartless or never give it a name on screen.
I would love for Sora to use the keychain from the world at the start, then switch when he goes into another world. That way the keyblade matches the location. They can even say that the keyblade does that to conceal its true form or something. I always wished we got the world's keychain at the start of the world. It always bugged me going into Halloween Town with the Atlantica keyblade - just seemed so off.
you too?
that would be an interesting idea to use.
Unless each episode is an hour long, or the pacing is near perfection, I honestly don’t see 25 episodes working for adapting KH1. I could see it working for games like Chain of Memories and 358/2, but not KH1. Last thing I'd want is for them to pull a Persona 5 or Ace Attorney and have it’s anime rush through the plot of the game(or in Ace Attorney’s case, two games in its first season). Personally I'd hope for it to be at least 45-51 episodes(or at least 2 25-episode seasons), just to have some breathing room. But I guess it also depends on how they adapt each world, like how in the novel Destiny Islands' events before the storm take place in the same day.
As Chaser pointed out two episodes per Disney world should be enough to tell the complete story. KH1 has nine of them(they can use something else to replace Deep Jungle)so that's already eighteen episodes with seven to eight left for the original worlds
Even if Xion's form was based on Kurt Zisa, that wouldn't need a signed form from Kurt to allow since it's not actually his heartless or directly identified by his name.
Ice Titan was confirmed to have been fought in KH1, but I think it was a fake or clone or something. The real one was fought in KH3.
I thought the contest was a design contest? I thought he submitted the best design and won? If not, then they can just rename the heartless or never give it a name on screen.
As it's been pointed out before, no he didn't design anything. The Name-in-Game Sweepstakes was open to all in April of 2002 and the finalist, Kurt, was announced in June of 2002.
The sweepstakes meant the finalist got his name assigned to the heartless but releases him of any rights of that name in association with Kingdom Hearts. Unless he got a lawyer better than Disney's, his name in regards to this character are severed from his rights most likely as of 1.5. And even if they didn't want to use that name or can't, it's not like anyone uses this heartless's name in the series.
It's not really an issue
I hope it will be a simple (and clean) show with a non-complicated story.
I think what they'll probably do is let Tetsuya Nomura write the story but let Disney screenwriters polish and refine it.
Is it crazy how this is getting so much discussion yet we still don't know if it actually exists?
Is it crazy how this is getting so much discussion yet we still don't know if it actually exists?
In a way, yes, but also not really. It’s something completely different from what we’ve expected to happen and it’s sort of nice having something to discuss that could potentially hit a service as massive as D+.
They would have to put their best foot forward because this could really put KH out there unlike ever before.
It’s fun to speculate knowing all of this
Do you think the intro theme will be Simple and Clean or Dearly Beloved?
The first episode should have a recreation of KH1's intro with Simple and Clean (PLANITb Remix), then each subsequent episode have a shorter intro with Dearly Beloved. Then the end of the season will be a recreation of KH1's ending with Simple and Clean. I wonder if they will show Aqua saving Riku behind the door (and Mickey losing his short to explain why he's shirtless)?
Do you think the intro theme will be Simple and Clean or Dearly Beloved?
The first episode should have a recreation of KH1's intro with Simple and Clean (PLANITb Remix), then each subsequent episode have a shorter intro with Dearly Beloved. Then the end of the season will be a recreation of KH1's ending with Simple and Clean. I wonder if they will show Aqua saving Riku behind the door (and Mickey losing his short to explain why he's shirtless)?
Honestly I'm hoping they do a new theme song for the TV series. Either by Utada or another singer
They would have to put their best foot forward because this could really put KH out there unlike ever before.
I thought the same thing about the trailer that played in US cinemas.
But Disney+ has grown and has worldwide relevance and with how spaced out their original releases are, a KH series would be heavily promoted on the Disney+ socials and on the splash page. They just need to make sure to emphasise the Disney to get those viewers.
Speaking of Disney crossover shows, where's House of Mouse >:(
Do you think the intro theme will be Simple and Clean or Dearly Beloved?
The first episode should have a recreation of KH1's intro with Simple and Clean (PLANITb Remix), then each subsequent episode have a shorter intro with Dearly Beloved. Then the end of the season will be a recreation of KH1's ending with Simple and Clean. I wonder if they will show Aqua saving Riku behind the door (and Mickey losing his short to explain why he's shirtless)?
I want it to be WAP but Disney stopped listening to me :(
Speaking of Disney crossover shows, where's House of Mouse :mad:
I'm starting to feel like there's a huge bias against Toon Disney/Jetix, because barely any of those shows are on there, and that was 90% of why I subscribed in the first place.
It also bothers me a lot that the special edition of lion King isn't available to view, like what are they doing with it? How long am I supposed to wear out this vhs so I can hear the morning report in its rightful place and listen to Raven bang out The circle of life at the end?
Speaking of Disney crossover shows, where's House of Mouse
Mickey’s House of Villains is PEAK Disney. I wish I still had my copy.
Speaking of Disney crossover shows, where's House of Mouse :mad:
This just sent me to a trip to nostalgia lane.
Do you think the intro theme will be Simple and Clean or Dearly Beloved?
The first episode should have a recreation of KH1's intro with Simple and Clean (PLANITb Remix), then each subsequent episode have a shorter intro with Dearly Beloved. Then the end of the season will be a recreation of KH1's ending with Simple and Clean. I wonder if they will show Aqua saving Riku behind the door (and Mickey losing his short to explain why he's shirtless)?
If it is based on KH1, I could see them potentially doing what Persona 4's anime did for its first episode, have it’s intro be the Simple & Clean remix and have its ending be a new song used for the show’s proper intro theme. After that, they could use original songs for the show's openings and endings. Then for the final episode, use the original version of Simple & Clean for the ending.
I wonder if they will show Aqua saving Riku behind the door (and Mickey losing his short to explain why he's shirtless)?
I’m very curious if they’ll include anything from Secret Episode/0.2 before the actual Birth by Sleep season. It would make sense timeline-wise if the series occasionally shows what she was doing, especially involving KH1. But would it be a discouraging spoiler that ruins the ending of the upcoming BBS season for the new audience? Or would seeing any part of Aqua’s journey through hell just be too confusing to show for an audience that doesn't have BBS knowledge?
I’m trying to imagine the discourse of her first appearance on Disney Plus. Who was that sad woman? How did she even get in the realm of darkness? What was she talking about, something about a Ventus and Terra? Huh? Wait it took Mickey THIS LONG to finally find her???
I thought the same thing about the trailer that played in US cinemas.
Yeah, that was the first step. It would have been even better if they had promoted it more on their social media. They did a few tweets but nothing as major as like what they do for like Star Wars games for example.
| But Disney+ has grown and has worldwide relevance and with how spaced out their original releases are, a KH series would be heavily promoted on the Disney+ socials and on the splash page. They just need to make sure to emphasise the Disney to get those viewers. |
Yes, that would be the best way to go about it. They need to treat it like they would their Marvel or Star Wars or Disney & Pixar stuff.
| Speaking of Disney crossover shows, where's House of Mouse :mad: |
God damn now I’m mad at them again. Disney needs to release the goods. I want all of their Disney XD/Toon Disney/Jetix shows and Disney Channel stuff right now.
| I want it to be WAP but Disney stopped listening to me :( |
At least we know Shinji Hashimoto would be down for WAP in KH ?
Yes, that would be the best way to go about it. They need to treat it like they would their Marvel or Star Wars or Disney & Pixar stuff.
I'm guessing you don't mean start with one show than create half a dozen more that'll all connect together building up to something bigger. Though then again that's already kinda build with the BBS, Days and Coded part of the series.
I wonder how much they'd change for the streaming adaption, the story of the games works somewhat well for a video game series and has been successfully adapted into different medias, but I feel like for a streaming show they'd have to change some things. Especially seeing the series started nearly 20 years ago and certain sensibilities have changed.
House of Mouse. Boy does that take me back. Since worldlines are a thing in the games maybe we could get the show in the series, lol
I'm guessing you don't mean start with one show than create half a dozen more that'll all connect together building up to something bigger. Though then again that's already kinda build with the BBS, Days and Coded part of the series.
I wonder how much they'd change for the streaming adaption, the story of the games works somewhat well for a video game series and has been successfully adapted into different medias, but I feel like for a streaming show they'd have to change some things. Especially seeing the series started nearly 20 years ago and certain sensibilities have changed.
No I’m strictly speaking on marketing. XD I only want one show from KH and for it to focus on one single story or game, and maaaaaaybe a proper movie one day if they can find out how to make it work.
No I’m strictly speaking on marketing. XD I only want one show from KH and for it to focus on one single story or game, and maaaaaaybe a proper movie one day if they can find out how to make it work.
I could see Birth by Sleep working as a movie series, like the Fate movies, at least under the right execution. But if they want to flesh out the novel or game material, a series might be better.
Yes, that would be the best way to go about it. They need to treat it like they would their Marvel or Star Wars or Disney & Pixar stuff.
I think something along the lines of The Mandalorian would be the best way to go. A mostly standalone show that ties into the rest of the series but doesn't require in depth knowledge. On the other hand Wandavision is an example of what they shouldn't do. Not only are previous films required viewing but it also needs to be watched before upcoming films like the Doctor Strange sequel and the 3rd Spider-Man.
Honestly I'm hoping they do a new theme song for the TV series. Either by Utada or another singer
They can't just throw "Simple & Clean" into the bin! That song deserves some respect. They need to use it at least once! I can see "Dearly Beloved" being the credits music.
I can't see a brand new song being used, it would just not feel like KH1.
If it is based on KH1, I could see them potentially doing what Persona 4's anime did for its first episode, have it’s intro be the Simple & Clean remix and have its ending be a new song used for the show’s proper intro theme. After that, they could use original songs for the show's openings and endings. Then for the final episode, use the original version of Simple & Clean for the ending.
I don't know what Personal is, but I wouldn't mind the first episode using "Simple & Clean (PLANITb Remix)" as the intro and actual recreate the KH1 intro. Then other episodes can use different songs, maybe Utada can make an entire album of theme songs. Each episode is a new Utada song for the intro and another brand new one for the end. Then the last episode can use "Simple & Clean".
I’m very curious if they’ll include anything from Secret Episode/0.2 before the actual Birth by Sleep season. It would make sense timeline-wise if the series occasionally shows what she was doing, especially involving KH1. But would it be a discouraging spoiler that ruins the ending of the upcoming BBS season for the new audience? Or would seeing any part of Aqua’s journey through hell just be too confusing to show for an audience that doesn't have BBS knowledge?
I’m trying to imagine the discourse of her first appearance on Disney Plus. Who was that sad woman? How did she even get in the realm of darkness? What was she talking about, something about a Ventus and Terra? Huh? Wait it took Mickey THIS LONG to finally find her???
To reference what I said above about recreating the KH1 intro. I think they should acknowledge or hint some things that are to come - like Ven and Aqua. The KH1 recreated intro can easily be reconfigured to reference Ven's heart somehow, as the KH1 intro itself is so abstract that if I look at it now, I can probably find something and say "that could be a Ven reference". They can have stuff like Hercules/Peter Pan saying that Sora reminds him of someone. I would also love to have Hollow Bastion a little bit more detailed, where we can see a Xehanort painting in the background and maybe come across Aqua's armour (since Hollow Bastion is in the "ruined" state in KH1).
They shouldn't be afraid to write the anime series the way that the story should have been told IE written by Nomura with all the knowledge of the story beforehand. Nomura made up as he went, so things kinda had to be stitched together manually with each passing game. Now that the whole story is out, the anime should show us stuff that reasonably should have been in KH1.
Regarding Aqua, I think it all depends on when the BbS season will be. I'm not sure how well it would pan out introducing Aqua in Season 1, then having to wait at least until Season 4 to see her (Season 2 = CoM/Days, Season 3 = KH2). They could have an after credits scene with Riku/Mickey in the Realm of Darkness, where Mickey says that he wants to find the keyblade wielder that was helping him - which then causes Riku/Mickey to get split up for CoM.
I think something along the lines of The Mandalorian would be the best way to go. A mostly standalone show that ties into the rest of the series but doesn't require in depth knowledge. On the other hand Wandavision is an example of what they shouldn't do. Not only are previous films required viewing but it also needs to be watched before upcoming films like the Doctor Strange sequel and the 3rd Spider-Man.
I wasn’t speaking on how they should approach the show’s development but how they should treat its marketing.
I agree that it should be a stand-alone that doesn’t require the games to watch the show, though.
So just turning back to the practicals for a moment here, what can we reasonably expect in terms of project lifecycle / timeline / at what stage it would go to marketing, assuming the pilot is successful? TV series development is a blank silence in my knowledge and even moreso with game devs involved. Presumably a pilot was in development when these rumors leaked, but the series was clearly not ready to be teased at the Investor’s Day event last month. Also unclear what kind of budget they’re throwing at this thing. But just curious about the typical timeframe and phases projects like this tend to go through, if such generalizations are appropriate, or if there are any similar precedents in the industry to look to
So just turning back to the practicals for a moment here, what can we reasonably expect in terms of project lifecycle / timeline / at what stage it would go to marketing, assuming the pilot is successful? TV series development is a blank silence in my knowledge and even moreso with game devs involved. Presumably a pilot was in development when these rumors leaked, but the series was clearly not ready to be teased at the Investor’s Day event last month. Also unclear what kind of budget they’re throwing at this thing. But just curious about the typical timeframe and phases projects like this tend to go through, if such generalizations are appropriate, or if there are any similar precedents in the industry to look to
Hm. I'm not sure that having a successful pilot matters for streaming services. I assume that things like Netflix and Disney+ (as we're talking about it specifically) will order a full season and release what they have. If the response is bad, then they cancel the series and don't move on. Best case scenario is that they just created a money making franchise, worst case scenario is that there's a full season of a show added to the library.
Or maybe there's a pilot that they create internally and review and if that doesn't work, they don't bother moving forward? I mean, I can't really see that happening because it's a lot of money to invest to then scrap it all. I know that they do something like this for regular TV, where they do a cheaply made pilot to show what it could look like... but the way Disney seems to move, if they say it's happening, then it's going to happen in its entirety. I heard a lot of people did not like WandaVision's first two episodes, and if that were released on regular TV, that may have been grounds to cancel if ratings didn't go up. But on Disney+, I don't think that matters for full seasons of shows.
I'm just guessing here. The streaming services are very hush-hush, I have yet to find actual "ratings"/viewership of shows on there.
They can have stuff like Hercules/Peter Pan saying that Sora reminds him of someone. I would also love to have Hollow Bastion a little bit more detailed, where we can see a Xehanort painting in the background and maybe come across Aqua's armour (since Hollow Bastion is in the "ruined" state in KH1).
They shouldn't be afraid to write the anime series the way that the story should have been told IE written by Nomura with all the knowledge of the story beforehand. Nomura made up as he went, so things kinda had to be stitched together manually with each passing game. Now that the whole story is out, the anime should show us stuff that reasonably should have been in KH1.
I really like this! I’d be so happy if Dark Seeker lore was incorporated this way.
About the sleepy blonde, CoM and Days seasons have big potential to incorporate more of him and his bizarre past.
Sephiroth0812, you reading this thread? You’re the resident Biggest Ventus Fan and I’d love to read your thoughts on Ven possibilities in a retelling.
The more i think about it the more I realize, I'd actually be down with a Mandalorian season 1 type deal for a spinoff series.
A story in the KH universe focusing on characters seperate from the main story with it's own smaller scale story. Kinda like what the scholastic books are said to be. This could be a fun way to explore or incorporate smaller properties that the main series wouldn't touch. It could also serve as a way to ease people into the craziness of the universe.
They can't just throw "Simple & Clean" into the bin! That song deserves some respect. They need to use it at least once! I can see "Dearly Beloved" being the credits music.
I can't see a brand new song being used, it would just not feel like KH1.
It could go either way honestly, depending on who's making the series for Disney. Take the adaptations of Namco's ‘Tales Of’ franchise, for example.
For the Tales of Symphonia OVA series, Ufotable used original songs for the openings of each arc they adapted. They'd later do the same for their adaptation of Tales of Zestiria. But for Tales of The Abyss, the team at Sunrise(the studio famous for Gundam among other franchises) chose to keep the original opening song from the game.
Nah even better only use Simple and Clean for the finale’s credits.
It could go either way honestly, depending on who's making the series for Disney. Take the adaptations of Namco's ‘Tales Of’ franchise, for example.
For the Tales of Symphonia OVA series, Ufotable used original songs for the openings of each arc they adapted. They'd later do the same for their adaptation of Tales of Zestiria. But for Tales of The Abyss, the team at Sunrise(the studio famous for Gundam among other franchises) chose to keep the original opening song from the game.
Well I mean apparently The World Ends With You will NOT be using "Calling" as the theme song, which has me physically ill.
It's just a disgrace to not use the song that is a part of that franchise in SOME capacity.
Well I mean apparently The World Ends With You will NOT be using "Calling" as the theme song, which has me physically ill.
It's just a disgrace to not use the song that is a part of that franchise in SOME capacity.
You’re thinking of “Twister”. “Calling” is just one of the overworld songs in the game. Also, we don’t know if it’s never going to be used, just that it’s not the main opening. It’s possible that, as I suggested before, they'll use it as a 1st episode opening, then switch to “TEENAGE CITY RIOT” after. To add to that, it’s the same composer making the soundtrack for the anime so maybe he wants to update the music too. It happens.
But back on topic. When it comes to the song Simple and Clean, I think ‘less is more’ would be a good strategy to have. Playing the remix for the first episode’s opening and the regular version for the final episode’s ending would also mirror the game itself: You only hear them at the beginning and at the end. Plus, having some songs original to this animated series could help with its identity.
As for using Dearly Beloved, I could see it being used as either a next episode preview, a prologue song before we hear the opening, or just a tune you’d hear somewhere in the odd episode.
Frankly, I'm tired of S&C, give sanctuary or don't think twice some airtime
Do you think that if the series ends up using any of Utada's songs, we'll get exclusive new renditions/remixes for them or just end up using what we already have again? It'd be really neat if we got new remixes, but I'm not expecting it either way.
Do you think that if the series ends up using any of Utada's songs, we'll get exclusive new renditions/remixes for them or just end up using what we already have again? It'd be really neat if we got new remixes, but I'm not expecting it either way.
It’s either that or all new songs. Though if we do get new renditions of songs(not remixes), I hope we get one for Sanctuary. Passion’s song structure didn’t really help it for me, so if Sanctuary’s lyrics got a restructure to better match Passion’s rhythm, that’d be nice.
It’s either that or all new songs. Though if we do get new renditions of songs(not remixes), I hope we get one for Sanctuary. Passion’s song structure didn’t really help it for me, so if Sanctuary’s lyrics got a restructure to better match Passion’s rhythm, that’d be nice.
Sanctuary did nothing to for me as a kid after after snazzy, catchy Simple and Clean. Found it utterly boring and abstract.
With ears 15 years older, it's like a whole different song now. I think it's brilliant; by far the best of the KH songs and the only one I can actually listen to outside the games.
Sanctuary did nothing to for me as a kid after after snazzy, catchy Simple and Clean. Found it utterly boring and abstract.
With ears 15 years older, it's like a whole different song now. I think it's brilliant; by far the best of the KH songs and the only one I can actually listen to outside the games.
Yeah, I don’t know what it is, but the opening version for Sanctuary feels off for me, even after how long it’s been. I like the ending version though, that worked well. For the opening version, it’s more a lyrics thing than the actual music.
I think Sanctuary works because of how vague it is compared to the other ones. Simple and Clean is too personal, same with Don’t Twink Twice.
Frankly, I'm tired of S&C, give sanctuary or don't think twice some airtime
If they use Sanctuary for Season 1 (KH1's story), then what will they use for Season 3 (KH2's story)?
This is starting to feel like when y'all swore up and down Jungle Book and Wreck it Ralph were gonna be in Kh3.
They are not going to adapt the entirety of any KH game, let alone multiple seasons focused on each game. Disney can’t even give their most popular animated shows more than 3 seasons.
Again, the only thing that would work is a spin-off within the existing canon that can be enjoyed by newcomers, a loose adaption of KH1 because it has the most straightforward plot, or a stand-alone that loosely uses the lore.
Do not expect them to make more than two seasons without it having extreme acclaim, and anticipate it only being one season only to save yourselves some heartache.
And that is only if they get the project officially green lit for D+.
I agree. Kingdom Hearts is the perfect game to cover over multiple seasons. You could change some plot points to make certain events viable for a season finale and have the series finale be the end of 1.
If it’s real, I see it with 2 seasons at best.
I agree. Kingdom Hearts is the perfect game to cover over multiple seasons. You could change some plot points to make certain events viable for a season finale and have the series finale be the end of 1.
If it’s real, I see it with 2 seasons at best.
Agreed. 2 seasons would work best for a show based on the first game. I’ve said before I’d like a show based on KH1 to be around 51 episodes(or 2 seasons of 25 episodes each), and part of the reason why is to A) explore some sides of the story we wouldn’t get to see in the games(like maybe actually see Sora’s parents or glimpse of life on the main island), B) use that time to cover material from the novels and manga if possible, or C) maybe expand on the side quest stuff, like seeing the gang piece together Ansem’s Reports, train in the Olympus tournaments, or have 100 Acre Wood visits as some breather episodes.
Though this is assuming it even gets that much. If we got just one season, as a taster, I think a good cutoff point would be Agrabah. We’d have a villain defeated, and end on the reveal that Riku is working with Maleficent and that they found Kairi's body, which would set up the conflict in the next season
They are not going to adapt the entirety of any KH game, let alone multiple seasons focused on each game. Disney can’t even give their most popular animated shows more than 3 seasons.
Again, the only thing that would work is a spin-off within the existing canon that can be enjoyed by newcomers, a loose adaption of KH1 because it has the most straightforward plot, or a stand-alone that loosely uses the lore.
Do not expect them to make more than two seasons without it having extreme acclaim, and anticipate it only being one season only to save yourselves some heartache.
And that is only if they get the project officially green lit for D+.
Disney is clearly gearing up to generate as much original content as Disney+ exclusives. The dump of Marvel/Star Wars show makes that evident. Due to COVID19, streaming got fast tracked to where it was heading; Disney is adapting to follow suit. They're copying NETFLIX's original plan of having a ton of content we already saw on there, then gradually add originals. The only problem that NETFLIX didn't anticipate (at least my theory) is that every other studio would eventually want to take back everything that they had, leaving them with nothing but scraps and crap. So even though NETFLIX has some critically acclaimed shows, there's nothing much else on there. Their monthly reveals have been trash for so long now.
Disney on the other hand is in the position to keep churning out and keep people on the line. They can even screw over NETFLIX even more by bringing back Punisher, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Daredevil on Disney+ (they can skip Iron Fist please). So I really doubt that Disney will do what NETFLIX is doing now by bringing out a show and cancelling it. Disney is way smarter than that, they can clearly see the backlash that NETFLIX gets for doing that and Disney wants to dominate (as per usual) the streaming service market. They already have MARVEL exclusive fans signing up for Disney+, Star Wars exclusive fans signing up, and now they can tap into a market that they have long ignored - gamers. KH3 opened Disney's eyes to the cash cow that the KH franchise was (I'm actually not too happy with that), but Disney will milk KH for what it's worth if they do the series. There is no way they will stop free promotion for old and new franchises AND new content for their service after one season. KH is like a dream come true for Disney.
Disney is clearly gearing up to generate as much original content as Disney+ exclusives. The dump of Marvel/Star Wars show makes that evident. Due to COVID19, streaming got fast tracked to where it was heading; Disney is adapting to follow suit. They're copying NETFLIX's original plan of having a ton of content we already saw on there, then gradually add originals. The only problem that NETFLIX didn't anticipate (at least my theory) is that every other studio would eventually want to take back everything that they had, leaving them with nothing but scraps and crap. So even though NETFLIX has some critically acclaimed shows, there's nothing much else on there. Their monthly reveals have been trash for so long now.
Disney on the other hand is in the position to keep churning out and keep people on the line. They can even screw over NETFLIX even more by bringing back Punisher, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Daredevil on Disney+ (they can skip Iron Fist please). So I really doubt that Disney will do what NETFLIX is doing now by bringing out a show and cancelling it. Disney is way smarter than that, they can clearly see the backlash that NETFLIX gets for doing that and Disney wants to dominate (as per usual) the streaming service market. They already have MARVEL exclusive fans signing up for Disney+, Star Wars exclusive fans signing up, and now they can tap into a market that they have long ignored - gamers. KH3 opened Disney's eyes to the cash cow that the KH franchise was (I'm actually not too happy with that), but Disney will milk KH for what it's worth if they do the series. There is no way they will stop free promotion for old and new franchises AND new content for their service after one season. KH is like a dream come true for Disney.
That isn't what I'm saying.
Most of their existing original content is slated to be standalone series or only have a handful of seasons, and 90% of what they announced during their Investor Day were also standalone or limited series. Only a handful of their tentpole projects will get a bunch of seasons or tie-ins (i.e. The Mandalorian with the Book of Boba Fett, Loki is getting a second season, Percy Jackson if things go well) and unless it is a blowout success, everything else will likely stay the course set right now.
They aren't trying to make long-running series right now. They are trying to build their catalogue as quickly as possible. They will adapt as they go and give big hits more seasons (if it fits their plans), and eventually they will start to automatically release non-SW and Marvel shows with multiple seasons already planned, but you're expecting too much from Disney.
Disney still doesn't even really have a grip on D+ yet despite the good sub numbers. They've been struggling behind the scenes to lock in the right executive team to help them navigate the streaming service market, and much of what they announced during the Investor Day was a big gamble of theirs to make sure they proved they had the content to back the service properly. We'll be waiting a long time for those projects to release (or waiting to see if some of them get canned which is almost assured to happen).
Kingdom Hearts, while being a great opportunity for them, is not going to get a multi-season deal off the bat. It'll have to earn it like everything else that is new and untested in the TV market, and since it is being developed internally at SE according to insiders, it'll have any even harder time proving itself.
Again, Disney can't even give their best and most popular animated shows more than three seasons and there is a graveyard of series over the years with only one season behind them. Disney isn't about to give an outside company a better deal than their own internal projects.
To expect Kingdom Hearts to succeed where these other shows failed is foolish and putting ourselves up for disappointment. KH can be adapted in so many ways without being an adaption of the games directly. Also limiting SE to one season might be better creatively anyways. It would mean it would have to introduce and answer the majority of their questions in the show instead of trying to create sequel-bait.
In regards to the Netflix Marvel stuff, we do sort of already know that Feige might bring them into the MCU (spoiler rumor for SM3: apparently Daredevil will be in Spider-Man 3). I doubt he's going to revive their shows as we knew them, though lol. Feige appreciated what those shows did but he's more interested in the characters and how to implement them into his plans, not the shows themselves. I could see a revival of them waaaaaay down the line after Phase 4, which we won't be out of until 2024 at the earliest. And this would also be long after he's introduced these characters in some way in Phase 4 shows and films.
That isn't what I'm saying.
Most of their existing original content is slated to be standalone series or only have a handful of seasons, and 90% of what they announced during their Investor Day were also standalone or limited series. Only a handful of their tentpole projects will get a bunch of seasons or tie-ins (i.e. The Mandalorian with the Book of Boba Fett, Loki is getting a second season, Percy Jackson if things go well) and unless it is a blowout success, everything else will likely stay the course set right now.
They aren't trying to make long-running series right now. They are trying to build their catalogue as quickly as possible. They will adapt as they go and give big hits more seasons (if it fits their plans), and eventually they will start to automatically release non-SW and Marvel shows with multiple seasons already planned, but you're expecting too much from Disney.
Disney still doesn't even really have a grip on D+ yet despite the good sub numbers. They've been struggling behind the scenes to lock in the right executive team to help them navigate the streaming service market, and much of what they announced during the Investor Day was a big gamble of theirs to make sure they proved they had the content to back the service properly. We'll be waiting a long time for those projects to release (or waiting to see if some of them get canned which is almost assured to happen).
Kingdom Hearts, while being a great opportunity for them, is not going to get a multi-season deal off the bat. It'll have to earn it like everything else that is new and untested in the TV market, and since it is being developed internally at SE according to insiders, it'll have any even harder time proving itself.
Again, Disney can't even give their best and most popular animated shows more than three seasons and there is a graveyard of series over the years with only one season behind them. Disney isn't about to give an outside company a better deal than their own internal projects.
To expect Kingdom Hearts to succeed where these other shows failed is foolish and putting ourselves up for disappointment. KH can be adapted in so many ways without being an adaption of the games directly. Also limiting SE to one season might be better creatively anyways. It would mean it would have to introduce and answer the majority of their questions in the show instead of trying to create sequel-bait.
In regards to the Netflix Marvel stuff, we do sort of already know that Feige might bring them into the MCU (spoiler rumor for SM3: apparently Daredevil will be in Spider-Man 3). I doubt he's going to revive their shows as we knew them, though lol. Feige appreciated what those shows did but he's more interested in the characters and how to implement them into his plans, not the shows themselves. I could see a revival of them waaaaaay down the line after Phase 4, which we won't be out of until 2024 at the earliest. And this would also be long after he's introduced these characters in some way in Phase 4 shows and films.
I'm pretty sure that all the stuff that they announced, they do believe are for one season. But when they see the reaction to them, they will be open to more seasons. It's not like they're locked into one season only for them, except for things like Boba Fett and WandaVision that are seemingly being designed that way.
Kingdom Hearts will succeed because of what it is. I don't think it will get a multi-season deal right off the bat, but when the first season does amazingly well, then Disney will milk it. Actually, I feel like Kingdom Hearts: The Series can be the breakout star of Disney+. It will bring in so many different fans and introduce others to the game series. It will be just like when KH3's trailer broke the internet and then Disney started to care about the franchise.
I don't know which shows are being cancelled after 3 seasons, but I feel like those shows are on The Disney Channel rather than exclusively on Disney+. If that is the case, then I remember vaguely that The Disney Channel had a rule about 3 seasons maximum per show (something to do with contracts having to be revised and actors having to be paid more after 3 seasons). When Kingdom Hearts: The Series is a major hit, I'm sure Disney will have no problem paying Haley, David, and Hayden extra for more than 3 seasons.
While I'm not as doom-and-gloom as Master Spockanort is about the potential longevity of a Kingdom Hearts series, the streaming wars have proven to be a bit of a hellish endeavour. We've seen that Netflix prioritises quantity which is why they are constantly cancelling shows, because to them the appeal is to have a variety of content for people to watch and it's expensive having all of those plates spinning at one time.
Disney+ hasn't found its proper footing and we don't know the shelflife of their TV shows. The Mandalorian is heading towards its third season with a spin-off, and High School Musical: The Musical: The Series is filming their second season (I'm assuming Diary of a Future President was also renewed?) but we don't know how well things will go for future shows. Yes, Loki gained a second season renewal months before the first season launched but that's no doubt due to the history and legacy of Tom Hiddleston and the character itself. If that was a fresh show then they probably wouldn't have been that forthcoming with a renewal.
We don't know how well Monsters At Work, The Proud Family, Tiana, Moana, Zootopia+, Baymax, or any other Disney/Pixar specific shows, will do. They've cancelled Big Hero 6: The Series without there being a proper ending after three seasons and Ducktales and Tangled: The Series both ended their main storyline after three seasons, and I believe the Spider-Man show with Robbie Daymond also finished up after its third season, but you are right, Face My Fears, as those series were on Disney Channel and its sister channels. As a side-note, I think the rule you were thinking of was the 65 episode rule which plagued Disney shows in the early 2000's.
I'm not going to let my biases blind me and proclaim that a Kingdom Hearts series would be the breakout hit for Disney+. There's so many chances for this show to fail, from critiquing the visual style (people called KH3 characters clay and plastic, even after release) to the story falling apart. The story, actually, is the biggest factor into the show failing as so many people have poisonous hate towards the story within the games, so much so they take to any opportunity to bash the game (e.g. I was linked a thread on ResetERA asking whether FFXIV's Endwalker ending would be better than KH3's ending and the entire thread is people dunking on the writing of KH). That's why I suggested earlier that they should market the princesses and Disney aspect over the original story / characters, as being on a Disney service I feel that would be something that would grab a person's attention over anything else but we'll see.
And as for that video, I'm not watching it due to my stance against watching any KH YouTuber, but "what happened to the Disney+ show" is clearly obvious. It was leaked from insiders very early on in the game when there was only a rough pilot made (probably not even the proper length of an episode and no doubt having temporary VFX, SFX, and voice work). It was never officially announced, we were never supposed to know about it, and it could easily be cancelled without us knowing. We just have to trust in the process and wait and see if it'll actually happen.
Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if Square decides to follow Nintendo in what they did when their planned Netflix Zelda series was leaked. But we’ll see what happens come next year.
Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if Square decides to follow Nintendo in what they did when their planned Netflix Zelda series was leaked. But we’ll see what happens come next year.
Nomura would totally do that. They did it with Dissidia NT once they found out the full character list had leaked. I think the buzz about the list got a bit too widespread and they completely shook up the characters after.
Well I'm gonna let my bias blind me and proclaim the Kingdom Hearts series will be the breakout hit for Disney+. Aside from movies, the only series I watched on Disney+ was That's So Raven and WandaVision. The only other series I plan to watch is the Obiwan series and maybe Loki if I'm really bored. Oh and of course the KH series.
Well I'm gonna let my bias blind me and proclaim the Kingdom Hearts series will be the breakout hit for Disney+. Aside from movies, the only series I watched on Disney+ was That's So Raven and WandaVision. The only other series I plan to watch is the Obiwan series and maybe Loki if I'm really bored. Oh and of course the KH series.
If only we got Feige's Marvel Studios to produce this instead of the studio behind timeless Criterion Collection masterpiece that is Kingdom Hearts × Backcover.
I doubt he's going to revive their shows as we knew them, though lol.
[SPOILER="Netflix Marvel Spoilers"]It's killing me that the status quo we left those shows on was Luke Cage being the crime boss of Harlem. Kind of a bummer to just leave that hanging without proper resolution! I was also looking forward to Colleen having her own adventures now that she has chi. We just needed like one more season to wrap it all up... ;_;[/SPOILER]
[SPOILER="Netflix Marvel Spoilers"]It's killing me that the status quo we left those shows on was Luke Cage being the crime boss of Harlem. Kind of a bummer to just leave that hanging without proper resolution! I was also looking forward to Colleen having her own adventures now that she has chi. We just needed like one more season to wrap it all up... ;_;[/SPOILER]
Agreed those shows needed another season to wrap up in a satisfying way.
Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if Square decides to follow Nintendo in what they did when their planned Netflix Zelda series was leaked. But we’ll see what happens come next year.
And I think that this is one instance where Square Enix executive's would override Nomura's opinion on the matter. They decided to make him director of Final Fantasy VII remake after they believed that Tabata would be the better fit for Final Fantasy XV, I don't see Square Enix cancelling a lucrative Disney+ collaboration especially when Disney could have done this completely internally as they own the Kingdom Hearts copyright.
[SPOILER="Netflix Marvel Spoilers"]It's killing me that the status quo we left those shows on was Luke Cage being the crime boss of Harlem. Kind of a bummer to just leave that hanging without proper resolution! I was also looking forward to Colleen having her own adventures now that she has chi. We just needed like one more season to wrap it all up... ;_;[/SPOILER]
I'm not going to mark my response as a spoiler because we're not going to get that season and my reply wouldn't make sense without actually watching the show beforehand.
Luke Cage season 3 was going to take inspiration from an alternate universe take on Luke Cage from the comics called Luke Cage Noir, the season would have likely taken a Godfather/Goodfellas approach just like that comic series. It sucks because the reason it got cancelled was because the showrunner for Luke Cage got fired by Marvel Television and Netflix wanted him back and neither party could compromise.
Disney could have done this completely internally
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It's killing me that the status quo we left those shows on was Luke Cage being the crime boss of Harlem.
I truly believe they couldn't have written a better series ending if they tried. What a way to go. I don't see it as being left hanging at all, he reached the inevitable destination of his journey through a hostile city, system, and institutional framework.
Sad we won't get a third season on the basis the first two we so good. But I really don't see it as a cliffhanger (at least not in practice even if in intent).
And I think that this is one instance where Square Enix executive's would override Nomura's opinion on the matter. They decided to make him director of Final Fantasy VII remake after they believed that Tabata would be the better fit for Final Fantasy XV, I don't see Square Enix cancelling a lucrative Disney+ collaboration especially when Disney could have done this completely internally as they own the Kingdom Hearts copyright.
Honestly, I hope you’re right?
We’ve had 2 false starts for a KH animated series, and if it is indeed happening, I hope that initial leak doesn’t make it a third.
Could be a whole heap of things.
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[*]Nomura decided against doing it
[*]It wasn't that advanced to begin with
[*]Report was simply inaccurate
[*]Disney pushed back timing
[*]SE pushed back timing
[*]Nomura delayed it for story purposes
[*]It's a surprise for 2022 anniversary
[*]Disney asked Nomura for pitch and then noped the hell out via the elevator shaft once he got going
[*]Disney brought it in-house after seeing Backcover
[*]conflict between SE and Disney over show had them both pull back to not rock the KH boat
[*]Chaos at Disney+ boardrooms and constant shuffles at DisneyCorp meant this got lost under a desk somewhere
[*]It was discussed then quietly shelved
[*]Excitement over KH3 sales figures faded as time passed and questions of mainstream appeal started being asked again
[*]Melody of Memory happened
[*]It's being written as we speak and there isn't much to discuss or report on
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So Nomura broke his word about no announcements until the anniversary next year. Maybe the Disney+ series announcement will come sooner than we thought
Honestly? I doubt it even really existed at all. Just another fake rumor.
Seriously, if it was actually a real thing, wouldn't some leaker have some info on it no matter how small by now?
Like, we can somehow have a big giant flood of WandaVision leaks right down to [spoiler]Quicksilver being leaked a whole year before the show aired[/spoiler]but nothing on an animated adaptation of a video game?
If it is real, maybe KK's right and it did get lost under a desk or shelved.
I don't trust Disney period. But who knows...at least they aren't handing it over to anyone crazy...
I don't trust Disney period. But who knows...at least they aren't handing it over to anyone crazy...
They're handing it over to Nomura, according to reports. Can't get crazier.
I might be alone in hoping the show isn't happening because I'd rather it not happen than be done by Nomura . A disaster would doom the series with regards to wider appeal.
I don't get what everyone's beef with Disney is. Generally, they produce high quality titles and creatives are given a reasonably (and often surprisingly) wide berth for artistic freedom. Though I do base this on subsidiaries like Marvel, Pixar and LucasFilm.
I mean Barry Freaking Jenkins is directing the next Lion King! That's one of the most exciting and surprising pieces of film news for years.
I bet Disney could announce Orson Wells is being resurrected to direct Kingdom Heart and fans would still be unhappy.
This is kinda getting me scared that Nomura is going to turn out to be one of those arrogant creative types who refuses to let anyone else have any say or influence in the direction of the series.
They're handing it over to Nomura, according to reports. Can't get crazier.
I might be alone in hoping the show isn't happening because I'd rather it not happen then happen by Nomura's hand. A disaster would doom the series with regards to wider appeal.
I don't get what everyone's beef with Disney is. Generally, they produce high quality titles and creatives are given a reasonably (and often surprisingly) wide berth for artistic freedom. Though I do base this on subsidiaries like Marvel, Pixar and LucasFilm.
I mean Barry Freaking Jenkins is directing the next Lion King! That's one of the most exciting and surprising pieces of film news for years.
I bet Disney could announce Orson Wells is being resurrected to direct Kingdom Heart and fans would still be unhappy.
YES!!!
Nomura needed to be the one in control of this from the start. I am so excited for several OMG/WTF/Huh? moments. And there be plenty of Disney villains in action.
They're handing it over to Nomura, according to reports. Can't get crazier.
I might be alone in hoping the show isn't happening because I'd rather it not happen then happen by Nomura's hand. A disaster would doom the series with regards to wider appeal.
I don't get what everyone's beef with Disney is. Generally, they produce high quality titles and creatives are given a reasonably (and often surprisingly) wide berth for artistic freedom. Though I do base this on subsidiaries like Marvel, Pixar and LucasFilm.
Barry Freaking Jenkins is directing the next Lion King for crying out loud! I bet Disney could announce Orson Wells is being resurrected to direct Kingdom Heart and fans would still be unhappy.
I‘m still in the camp of “believe it when I see it”.
I enjoy speculating what a potential series could bring, and seeing what everyone else thinks is fun too.
That said, as much as I want it to be real, I’m not going to believe rumours, no matter how credible they seem. I want to see definitive proof that it exists straight from the horse’s mouth of either Square or Disney. And if the info that comes from those companies matches that of the rumours, you’re free to tell me “I told you so”.
I‘m still in the camp of “believe it when I see it”.
I agree with you 100%. I never believe rumors. I'm treating this no differently than the neverending stream of rumors that Silent Hill is making a comeback with not one but two games. Until there's proof to the contrary, it's just a rumor.
I bet Disney could announce Orson Wells is being resurrected to direct Kingdom Heart and fans would still be unhappy.
Ahh, the Kingdom Hearts games have always been celebrated for their excellence.
They're handing it over to Nomura, according to reports. Can't get crazier.
I might be alone in hoping the show isn't happening because I'd rather it not happen than be done by Nomura . A disaster would doom the series with regards to wider appeal.
I don't get what everyone's beef with Disney is. Generally, they produce high quality titles and creatives are given a reasonably (and often surprisingly) wide berth for artistic freedom. Though I do base this on subsidiaries like Marvel, Pixar and LucasFilm.
I mean Barry Freaking Jenkins is directing the next Lion King! That's one of the most exciting and surprising pieces of film news for years.
I bet Disney could announce Orson Wells is being resurrected to direct Kingdom Heart and fans would still be unhappy.
YES!!!
Nomura needed to be the one in control of this from the start. I am so excited for several OMG/WTF/Huh? moments. And there be plenty of Disney villains in action.
I‘m still in the camp of “believe it when I see it”.
I enjoy speculating what a potential series could bring, and seeing what everyone else thinks is fun too.
That said, as much as I want it to be real, I’m not going to believe rumours, no matter how credible they seem. I want to see definitive proof that it exists straight from the horse’s mouth of either Square or Disney. And if the info that comes from those companies matches that of the rumours, you’re free to tell me “I told you so”.
Ahh, the Kingdom Hearts games have always been celebrated for their excellence.
Its going to sound weird but I trust Nomura more then I trust Disney. And my beef with Disney is that I have watched them on a slow steady decline from their glory days for years and I feel like they need to seriously take a restock of their priorities regarding making good cartoons and animated movies. But thats just me. That said I personally like Nomura's crazy...except the Time Ghosts. I hated the Time Ghosts that was just pure stupid in my opinion. But eh...
Honestly? I doubt it even really existed at all. Just another fake rumor.
Seriously, if it was actually a real thing, wouldn't some leaker have some info on it no matter how small by now?
Like, we can somehow have a big giant flood of WandaVision leaks right down to [spoiler]Quicksilver being leaked a whole year before the show aired[/spoiler]but nothing on an animated adaptation of a video game?
If it is real, maybe KK's right and it did get lost under a desk or shelved.
Marvel and Star Wars have influencers dedicated to leaking their upcoming projects so it's no surprise that we hear rumblings about what they're up to before it gets officially confirmed. The same can't really be said for Disney-proper projects especially their animated projects.
Maybe it was shelved due to creative differences? who knows, but Disney clearly has an invigorated interest in Kingdom Hearts after the success of Kingdom Hearts III.
Marvel and Star Wars have influencers dedicated to leaking their upcoming projects so it's no surprise that we hear rumblings about what they're up to before it gets officially confirmed. The same can't really be said for Disney-proper projects especially their animated projects.
Maybe it was shelved due to creative differences? who knows, but Disney clearly has an invigorated interest in Kingdom Hearts after the success of Kingdom Hearts III.
That worries me personally. Square needs complete creative control in order to keep things running smooth.
Its going to sound weird but I trust Nomura more then I trust Disney. And my beef with Disney is that I have watched them on a slow steady decline from their glory days for years and I feel like they need to seriously take a restock of their priorities regarding making good cartoons and animated movies. But thats just me. That said I personally like Nomura's crazy...except the Time Ghosts. I hated the Time Ghosts that was just pure stupid in my opinion. But eh...
There may have been two decades of decline and stagnation from the 90s onwards but the last ten years have seen Disney on the up. And it seems the momentum is only growing.
[LIST]
[*]Disney would never have let Rian Johnson make The Last Jedi 20 years ago. It was like watching a $200m arthouse film
[*]The astonishing boldness of WandaVision? Forget it
[*]Cinematic royalty Barry Jenkins is directing Lion King! And he was partly persuaded to do so because Chloe Zhao (!) was being given so much freedom on Eternals, another big-budget Disney flick
[*]Pixar is veering further and further into Terrence Malickesque abstract art territory, seemingly without any complaint from Disney
[*]Recent corporate reshuffles have been decisively in the favour of creatives over pencil-pushing executives
[*]Yet even the executives have been issuing statements reaffirming the defense of creative integrity
[*]They've issued a mea culpa for games based on Disney assets and a call for a lighter touch when it comes to creative freedom in these games
[/LIST]
That worries me personally. Square needs complete creative control in order to keep things running smooth.
Well then we have irreconcilable views on the subject. I don't want Square Enix or Nomura anywhere near this show barring a consulting role to stop those making it from doing anything canonbreaking. Let Nomura paint the story in broad strokes. Then get others to fill in between the lines. My only issue was Disney itself (rather than subsidiaries) was slower to up its quality but even that has changed over the last couple of years with their choices of behind-the-camera talent for upcoming titles.
There may have been two decades of decline and stagnation from the 90s onwards but the last ten years have seen Disney on the up. And it seems the momentum is only growing.
[LIST]
[*]Disney would never have let Rian Johnson make The Last Jedi 20 years ago. It was like watching a $200m arthouse film
[*]The astonishing boldness of WandaVision? Forget it
[*]Cinematic royalty Barry Jenkins is directing Lion King!
[*]Pixar is veering further and further into Terrence Malickesque abstract art territory, seemingly without any complaint from Disney
[*]Recent corporate reshuffles have been decisively in the favour of creatives over pencil-pushing executives
[*]Yet even the executives have been issuing statements reaffirming the defense of creative integrity
[*]They've issued a mea culpa for games based on Disney assets and a call for a lighter touch when it comes to creative freedom in these games
[/LIST]
Well then we have irreconcilable views on the subject. I don't want Square Enix or Nomura anywhere near this show barring a consulting role to stop those making it from doing anything canonbreaking. Let Nomura paint the story in broad strokes. Then get others to fill in between the lines.
Something tells me we have an agree to disagree impass. Which is fine. I'm not gonna go insane over it. I personally just don't trust them.
Something tells me we have an agree to disagree impass. Which is fine. I'm not gonna go insane over it. I personally just don't trust them.
I love your display pic, though.
This is kinda getting me scared that Nomura is going to turn out to be one of those arrogant creative types who refuses to let anyone else have any say or influence in the direction of the series.
I hate to tell you this but he is/was exactly that type lol. He’s changed a bit over the years and seems more reclusive than arrogant, but he’d been known for being...diva-like and...controlling is too heavy a term...
[spoiler]I’d tell you this story about a sandwich, Nomura, and Yasue but I’ve never been able to get anybody but one person to verify it so I’m sure it’s just a half truth twisted by the company rumor mill.
I WILL tell you about a situation that I can discuss because I was involved and I didn’t have any NDA to sign. Our site did an interview with Seth Kearsley, one of the guys who had been tapped to work on a KH animated pilot back in the early 2000s. Disney had a number of pilots in development at that time, so he wasn’t the only one but I think his was the most advanced of them.
Anyways, we did this interview then we get a message from a Japanese news hound who has ties to SE and they send this very long message about how Nomura is mad and called everything Seth said a lie and it was just insane. Essentially he wanted the interview taken down, but we just figured there was something getting lost in translation so we explained that we could verify the existence of the pilot and that our interview was just us preserving a piece of KH history. We didn’t get any threats after that so it all worked out, but man...Nomura was not happy.
Seth had also gone to Disney not long after that to see if he could pitch an idea again for it and they immediately told him no even though they had seemed very open to it before as they had agreed to the meeting about it and he sensed it something had happened lol[/spoiler]
I do think his situation with XV pissed him off while also depressing him, but it also humbled him to a degree. He’s been less hand-on and open to suggestions. He seems downright zen in regards to FF7R compared to how he was in the 2000s and early 2010s with KH and all of his other creative projects.
Something like this, though? Absolutely. He would be very hand-on with it. This is an opportunity of a lifetime if it is real.
And I do think it is real contrary to what many of you believe. I think SE is keeping it close to their chest. There is no way they didn’t find out about the rumors. They HATE that kind of culture, especially Nomura who constantly gives shade to western press and fans lol, so they would have likely made sure to keep it all locked down so no more rumors would leak.
I hate to tell you this but he is/was exactly that type lol. He’s changed a bit over the years and seems more reclusive than arrogant, but he’d been known for being...diva-like and...controlling is too heavy a term...
[spoiler]I’d tell you this story about a sandwich, Nomura, and Yasue but I’ve never been able to get anybody but one person to verify it so I’m sure it’s just a half truth twisted by the company rumor mill.
I WILL tell you about a situation that I can discuss because I was involved and I didn’t have any NDA to sign. Our site did an interview with Seth Kearsley, one of the guys who had been tapped to work on a KH animated pilot back in the early 2000s. Disney had a number of pilots in development at that time, so he wasn’t the only one but I think his was the most advanced of them.
Anyways, we did this interview then we get a message from a Japanese news hound who has ties to SE and they send this very long message about how Nomura is mad and called everything Seth said a lie and it was just insane. Essentially he wanted the interview taken down, but we just figured there was something getting lost in translation so we explained that we could verify the existence of the pilot and that our interview was just us preserving a piece of KH history. We didn’t get any threats after that so it all worked out, but man...Nomura was not happy.
Seth had also gone to Disney not long after that to see if he could pitch an idea again for it and they immediately told him no even though they had seemed very open to it before as they had agreed to the meeting about it and he sensed it something had happened lol[/spoiler]
I do think his situation with XV pissed him off while also depressing him, but it also humbled him to a degree. He’s been less hand-on and open to suggestions. He seems downright zen in regards to FF7R compared to how he was in the 2000s and early 2010s with KH and all of his other creative projects.
Something like this, though? Absolutely. He would be very hand-on with it. This is an opportunity of a lifetime if it is real.
And I do think it is real contrary to what many of you believe. I think SE is keeping it close to their chest. There is no way they didn’t find out about the rumors. They HATE that kind of culture, especially Nomura who constantly gives shade to western press and fans lol, so they would have likely made sure to keep it all locked down so no more rumors would leak.
Lovely post. Enjoyed that spoilered chunk of KH history.
My issue isn't Nomura's insistence on creative control. That should be a given for whoever has the job and I'd be worried if they were happy to yield it.
My issue is he shouldn't have the job :D
I hate to tell you this but he is/was exactly that type lol. He’s changed a bit over the years and seems more reclusive than arrogant, but he’d been known for being...diva-like and...controlling is too heavy a term...
[spoiler]I’d tell you this story about a sandwich, Nomura, and Yasue but I’ve never been able to get anybody but one person to verify it so I’m sure it’s just a half truth twisted by the company rumor mill.
I WILL tell you about a situation that I can discuss because I was involved and I didn’t have any NDA to sign. Our site did an interview with Seth Kearsley, one of the guys who had been tapped to work on a KH animated pilot back in the early 2000s. Disney had a number of pilots in development at that time, so he wasn’t the only one but I think his was the most advanced of them.
Anyways, we did this interview then we get a message from a Japanese news hound who has ties to SE and they send this very long message about how Nomura is mad and called everything Seth said a lie and it was just insane. Essentially he wanted the interview taken down, but we just figured there was something getting lost in translation so we explained that we could verify the existence of the pilot and that our interview was just us preserving a piece of KH history. We didn’t get any threats after that so it all worked out, but man...Nomura was not happy.
Seth had also gone to Disney not long after that to see if he could pitch an idea again for it and they immediately told him no even though they had seemed very open to it before as they had agreed to the meeting about it and he sensed it something had happened lol[/spoiler]
I do think his situation with XV pissed him off while also depressing him, but it also humbled him to a degree. He’s been less hand-on and open to suggestions. He seems downright zen in regards to FF7R compared to how he was in the 2000s and early 2010s with KH and all of his other creative projects.
Something like this, though? Absolutely. He would be very hand-on with it. This is an opportunity of a lifetime if it is real.
And I do think it is real contrary to what many of you believe. I think SE is keeping it close to their chest. There is no way they didn’t find out about the rumors. They HATE that kind of culture, especially Nomura who constantly gives shade to western press and fans lol, so they would have likely made sure to keep it all locked down so no more rumors would leak.
What situation with XV? That it sucked or that his original idea got shafted?
What situation with XV? That it sucked or that his original idea got shafted?
He was kicked off the project a year into its new development cycle.
I don’t think he cared that his original ideas were shafted. He probably didn’t want people who weren’t him using them anyways. He was probably more upset about the loss of the characters and feeling upset he couldn’t implement his vision.
He went into a really bad depressive spiral. He bought cats and threw himself into KH. SE started sending him on a lot of event tours after the XV debacle like Comic Con and 2.5’s launch event, and he was invited to do a lot of collaborations with various companies at the time...I think it was a way to give him a vacation and a way to show him fans still loved his work.
But ever since getting kicked off of XV, he’s been more collaborative and open to suggestions from what I can tell in interviews. And again, with VIIR, he’s absolutely zen because he’s always very public about how it’s so many different people helping to create the game and not just his ideas.
I love your display pic, though.
Thanks bro.
He was kicked off the project a year into its new development cycle.
I don’t think he cared that his original ideas were shafted. He probably didn’t want people who weren’t him using them anyways. He was probably more upset about the loss of the characters and feeling upset he couldn’t implement his vision.
He went into a really bad depressive spiral. He bought cats and threw himself into KH. SE started sending him on a lot of event tours after the XV debacle like Comic Con and 2.5’s launch event, and he was invited to do a lot of collaborations with various companies at the time...I think it was a way to give him a vacation and a way to show him fans still loved his work.
But ever since getting kicked off of XV, he’s been more collaborative and open to suggestions from what I can tell in interviews. And again, with VIIR, he’s absolutely zen because he’s always very public about how it’s so many different people helping to create the game and not just his ideas.
Yeah well...I mean his original characters may have been better. For what its worth I already really like Yozora. But if he takes suggestions he may have someone on his payroll who FINALLY tells him certain things make no sense in his plots. I just hope he doesnt COMPLETELY lose the crazy. It would unironically make the series worse.
That worries me personally. Square needs complete creative control in order to keep things running smooth.
Square Enix never had complete creative control, Disney always gave the final stamp of approval because they own Kingdom Hearts. Nomura wanted Oswald the Lucky Rabbit for Kingdom Hearts III but Disney denied that request.
I hate to tell you this but he is/was exactly that type lol. He’s changed a bit over the years and seems more reclusive than arrogant, but he’d been known for being...diva-like and...controlling is too heavy a term...
[spoiler]I’d tell you this story about a sandwich, Nomura, and Yasue but I’ve never been able to get anybody but one person to verify it so I’m sure it’s just a half truth twisted by the company rumor mill.
I WILL tell you about a situation that I can discuss because I was involved and I didn’t have any NDA to sign. Our site did an interview with Seth Kearsley, one of the guys who had been tapped to work on a KH animated pilot back in the early 2000s. Disney had a number of pilots in development at that time, so he wasn’t the only one but I think his was the most advanced of them.
Anyways, we did this interview then we get a message from a Japanese news hound who has ties to SE and they send this very long message about how Nomura is mad and called everything Seth said a lie and it was just insane. Essentially he wanted the interview taken down, but we just figured there was something getting lost in translation so we explained that we could verify the existence of the pilot and that our interview was just us preserving a piece of KH history. We didn’t get any threats after that so it all worked out, but man...Nomura was not happy.
Seth had also gone to Disney not long after that to see if he could pitch an idea again for it and they immediately told him no even though they had seemed very open to it before as they had agreed to the meeting about it and he sensed it something had happened lol[/spoiler]
I do think his situation with XV pissed him off while also depressing him, but it also humbled him to a degree. He’s been less hand-on and open to suggestions. He seems downright zen in regards to FF7R compared to how he was in the 2000s and early 2010s with KH and all of his other creative projects.
Something like this, though? Absolutely. He would be very hand-on with it. This is an opportunity of a lifetime if it is real.
And I do think it is real contrary to what many of you believe. I think SE is keeping it close to their chest. There is no way they didn’t find out about the rumors. They HATE that kind of culture, especially Nomura who constantly gives shade to western press and fans lol, so they would have likely made sure to keep it all locked down so no more rumors would leak.
While I’m still wary on it being a thing, I trust you. We’ll see if they announce it later on this winter or next year.
Square Enix never had complete creative control, Disney always gave the final stamp of approval because they own Kingdom Hearts. Nomura wanted Oswald the Lucky Rabbit for Kingdom Hearts III but Disney denied that request.
They also denied Treasure Planet in DDD so...I mean I already dislike them. God I wish we got Oswald.
About the Versus/XV thing, you guys think Verum Rex wouldn't have been a thinly veiled Versus revival attempt if XV didn't get effed over after Tabata quit?
Like, Verum Rex just screams "I'm still mad about it".
Think KH would bomb as a Disney+ show given the nature of the series. It'd just get dumbed down and over-explained for kids, and the edgy Final Fantasy stuff would never make it in.
Think KH would bomb as a Disney+ show given the nature of the series. It'd just get dumbed down and over-explained for kids, and the edgy Final Fantasy stuff would never make it in.
I don’t think that’d happen. Otherwise we wouldn’t have gotten Pirates of the Caribbean as a world in the games. And that was a PG-13 among worlds based on G to PG-rated films at the time. The most they’d probably ask for is no blood, and that’s taken care of.
Though considering the other projects on Disney+, there could be some potential for leeway regarding censorship. We don’t know.
Think KH would bomb as a Disney+ show given the nature of the series. It'd just get dumbed down and over-explained for kids, and the edgy Final Fantasy stuff would never make it in.
Disney gets hella dark when it wants to.
In fact, I feel the opposite is true: many of the dark stuff in Disney properties is dumbed down with their sharp edges blunted in KH. Which is odd because at times KH itself is morbidly dark anyway.
Feels like the maturity of KH is cyclical. Just as the series got darker in the early sequels, KH3's quasi-reset tonally is down to a generational shift. It'll ramp up from here just like the older games did.
About the Versus/XV thing, you guys think Verum Rex wouldn't have been a thinly veiled Versus revival attempt if XV didn't get effed over after Tabata quit?
Like, Verum Rex just screams "I'm still mad about it".
I think if Tabata had stayed with SE, Verum Rex would have never been so blatantly Versus XIII.
And I think Nomura is pulling his ideas into KH to make sure SE doesn’t have direct hold over them. It’s clever.
I’d tell you this story about a sandwich, Nomura, and Yasue
I never heard of a disaster that didn't start with a sandwich
read: WW1
They also denied Treasure Planet in DDD so...I mean I already dislike them. God I wish we got Oswald.
Disney doesn't even know what to do with him anymore.
Think KH would bomb as a Disney+ show given the nature of the series. It'd just get dumbed down and over-explained for kids, and the edgy Final Fantasy stuff would never make it in.
If you're talking about critical reception then I'll just take a "wait and see" approach. A streaming show is new territory for Square Enix. Who knows, maybe we may get a Square Enix + Walt Disney Animation Studios collaboration for Kingdom Hearts. From a commercial standpoint, an idea like this is just too nostalgic not be a commercial success given Kingdom Hearts' popularity.
Disney doesn't even know what to do with him anymore.
There are rumours that Oswald the Lucky Rabbit is getting his own Disney+ show. Maybe Disney wants to give him a modern look so he isn't stuck as the retro Disney character, and from there, Oswald and his cast and be cross-promoted to other Disney properties.
I never heard of a disaster that didn't start with a sandwich
read: WW1
Lol all I will say is that we should be eternally grateful for Yasue’s existence.
I love Nomura.
In our own way, we all do. Deep down, in the depths of the heart.
Our hearts are all connected by One Artery: Nomura. And we shall all to his Kingdom, come.
Just a loooooot deeper down in my heart tho. My right ventricle is positively cavernous; he's down there somewhere.
Ronald D. Moore is developing an interconnected tv universe set in the Disney parks. Sounds heavily inspired by the Kingdom Keepers books I've heard of, in which case, I'd imagine that this is a death knell to any legitimacy behind these long abandoned rumors of a Kingdom Hearts show, which have been in radio silence for nearly a year. I wouldn't cross my fingers, folks
Honestly I doubt this new series has any bearing on the possibility of the rumored KH show. Its not like Kingdom Hearts was the first Disney crossover
They also denied Treasure Planet in DDD so...I mean I already dislike them. God I wish we got Oswald.
Really? I would've loved both, but I didn't realize TP was denied by Disney. I assumed it was a world SE considered that they ultimately decided not to go with yet (sort of like how The Jungle Book was briefly considered for BbS). That sucks if true. It means Disney only wants popular properties to be advertised--so the likelihood movies like TP, TBC, etc. end up in KH are nil. But wait, Disney were fine with them using Hunchback for the same game they denied TP's use for? It doesn't make any sense...
Reading through the past few pages of discussion, it made me think about it and I actually question how well a TV series would do after the initial hype of people who don't know what KH is checking out the first episodes. A lot of KH's appeal is being able to wander and move around through locales and environments from movies you like. That wouldn't really apply with a TV series. If you want to see PotC, for example, you could just turn on PotC instead of watching another show that depicts the same things? I would say that some of the appeal would be seeing SDG interacting with the Disney cast, but we know that Disney is fodder these days, with very little connection between the original characters and the Disney content. And the Disney characters from different films rarely intersect with one another either--so people who'd like that kind of cross-sampling wouldn't find it in KH unlike, say, the Wrecked Princess franchise that's come out of that scene in Ralph Breaks the Internet. The only appeal I can think this show would have with non-KH fans would be seeing the hand-drawn characters of classic Disney films in 3D, or if viewers simply really fall in love with Sora or one of the other original characters.
Part of me wonders if a TV series might open a can of worms in regards to replacing voice actors, too... That's one of the things I most fear happening to KH and a TV series would be starting over at the beginning when Sora was at his youngest. (IF it's a re-telling of KH1, I should say.)
Part of me wonders if a TV series might open a can of worms in regards to replacing voice actors, too... That's one of the things I most fear happening to KH and a TV series would be starting over at the beginning when Sora was at his youngest. (IF it's a re-telling of KH1, I should say.)
Part of me kinda hopes we get 2 voices for Sora: one could be a vocal match for KH1!Sora and the other would of course be HJO. That’d help with the disconnect that happens in the games. Because going straight from KH1 to Re:Chain of Memories and hearing KH2!Sora’s voice out of KH1!Sora still feels odd.
I agree, hearing KH2 HJO with the old model in Re:CoM was a little freaky at first. That would be the best way it could happen if they only get a new (young) voice for flashbacks or any re-tellings of the first game, and HJO remains as Sora in the present.
I agree, hearing KH2 HJO with the old model in Re:CoM was a little freaky at first. That would be the best way it could happen if they only get a new (young) voice for flashbacks or any re-tellings of the first game, and HJO remains as Sora in the present.
I could not agree more. HJO is a good guy but he isn't a precocious kid anymore however I think it has something to do with the voice direction of the games.
Really? I would've loved both, but I didn't realize TP was denied by Disney. I assumed it was a world SE considered that they ultimately decided not to go with yet (sort of like how The Jungle Book was briefly considered for BbS). That sucks if true. It means Disney only wants popular properties to be advertised--so the likelihood movies like TP, TBC, etc. end up in KH are nil. But wait, Disney were fine with them using Hunchback for the same game they denied TP's use for? It doesn't make any sense...
Actually, your assumption is probably the one that's correct. It's believed that Treasure Planet was considered at some point based on the datamined pirate ship model, but neither SE nor Disney have ever mentioned that film in relation to KH.
I find it interesting how there's a Disney+ offer attached to the Epic Games release of the Kingdom Hearts franchise. Maybe I'm reading too deep into this but maybe they're already starting to cross-pollinate the Square Enix fans of Kingdom Hearts into Disney+.
I find it interesting how there's a Disney+ offer attached to the Epic Games release of the Kingdom Hearts franchise. Maybe I'm reading too deep into this but maybe they're already starting to cross-pollinate the Square Enix fans of Kingdom Hearts into Disney+.
Or they attached a Disney offer to a Disney game and it's just a coincidence.
Besides it's getting close to a whole year since this rumor came up and nothing followed.
If this series existed, there would've been more rumors or "leaks" bout it even if it is early in development.
Or they attached a Disney offer to a Disney game and it's just a coincidence.
Besides it's getting close to a whole year since this rumor came up and nothing followed.
If this series existed, there would've been more rumors or "leaks" bout it even if it is early in development.
Idk if there would be more rumors. If this is being done in-house by SE, they would have made sure to keep things under wraps after the last leak. They don't take kindly to western press leaking information––Nomura, especially. He would have gone scorched earth.
Personally I think its a coincidence. There's a bunch of weird bundles with Disney+ added.
Epic Games had a Fortnite + Disney+ deal where you get 2 free months of Disney+ a while back since season 4 of Fortnite featured a lot of Marvel characters so having them do this again but with Kingdom Hearts isn't really anything too crazy to think about.
As for getting more leaks and rumors, I don't think we're gonna hear anything about it for a while. Last time we heard from any credible insider, the general consensus from all those who came out was that the series was very early in development, which was back in May 2020. Rumors and leaks concerning projects like this at this stage are gonna stay dry for a long time, be it several months or even years before we even get the slightest hint of story leaks, characters, casting, crew, all that before even an official announcement, especially since this project is animated which takes years to create.
Then again, who knows when those insiders even got a hold of those leaks and how long they waited until they posted them. But it's still better to not expect any rumor or leak about the show to come up soon and get surprised when it does, rather than expecting anything to leak soon but it taking a long while before we hear anything about it anyway. And this is assuming this is all true anyway.
I'm still hoping it's a spinoff with new characters and a story. Similar to Star Wars Rebels or Vigilantes the MHA spinoff. It can be in the same universe but a different corner.
I had a new protagonist travel with a Disney character. Something like this kid-
Pairing him/her with Max Goof and Friends is an interesting hook. Other options include Oswald the Rabbit, Donald's friends the other two Caballeros, Horace and Clarice, an older Huey, Duey, Louie etc.
You can have Lady Tremaine and the Evil Queen pop up as the main Disney villians. They both wanna be the next Maleficent but disagree on who should be it. Having them fighting each other as much as they fight the main characters could be fun.
Kinda like when The Joker fought The Riddler in the recent Batman comics.
There are probably gonna be an oc antagonists like the Organization. There are alot of cool ocs on DeviantArt. I'd be down for a new Organization with different goals than the Xehanorts.
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Etc..... it's a rabbit hole.
Ps. Thank you for reading my late night rambles.
There was this leak from 4Chan that I saw on /r/Gamingleaksandrumours
Take with a mountain of salt because it was just a text post
FF7 (and FFXIV) will be getting an anime but that's not what I want to talk about, there was information about the Kingdom Hearts Disney + Series:
"Both of these projects will be directed by Nomura"
"While the Kingdom Hearts anime will be much shorter, but definitely more complex.
Made entirely in CG, according to the description it will combine multiple events from multiple games such as Kingdom Hearts Union X, Birth by Sleep and even Kingdom Hearts 3"
There was this leak from 4Chan that I saw on /r/Gamingleaksandrumours
Take with a mountain of salt because it was just a text post
FF7 (and FFXIV) will be getting an anime but that's not what I want to talk about, there was information about the Kingdom Hearts Disney + Series:
"Both of these projects will be directed by Nomura"
"While the Kingdom Hearts anime will be much shorter, but definitely more complex.
Made entirely in CG, according to the description it will combine multiple events from multiple games such as Kingdom Hearts Union X, Birth by Sleep and even Kingdom Hearts 3"
"According to the description"
What friggin description? If you say "according to the description" GIVE US THE DESCRIPTION.
The 4chan guy literally had more to say about the FF7 one than the KH one...at this point I'm thinking a KH E3 leak is more likely than anything fully substantial about this.
And not a single lick of evidence. It's fake.
Just like everything surrounding the KH Disney+ show.
"According to the description"
What friggin description? If you say "according to the description" GIVE US THE DESCRIPTION.
The 4chan guy literally had more to say about the FF7 one than the KH one...at this point I'm thinking a KH E3 leak is more likely than anything fully substantial about this.
Yeah I don't even know what the guy was talking about when it comes to "description". Disney+ series information maybe?
But it's fun discussing these rumors/leaks, I remember the KH3 blackhole ending leak where I think Ven sacrifices himself or something
Combine multiple events from multiple games? So basically like the Pokemon Generations miniseries? That doesn't sound very appealing
They literally have the best and safest template for a successful show: Kingdom Hearts 1.
Yeah I don't even know what the guy was talking about when it comes to "description". Disney+ series information maybe?
But it's fun discussing these rumors/leaks, I remember the KH3 blackhole ending leak where I think Ven sacrifices himself or something
I remember that too. Riku, Ven, and Terra die and get statues and stuff.
But with this leak, there's barely much to discuss on the KH side. There's zero evidence. And if they did have more info with this "description" WHY DIDN'T THEY SHOW IT?
Barely anyone on 4chan even bothered commenting either. Only one person who basically said "how am i supposed to believe you when you have no proof".
Without any sort of proof, you have no leg to stand on. The KH3 black hole leak only seemed believable to people cuz the game was in the wild at that point, this has nothing. It's fake.
If you really wanna stir up discussion, leak something about KH related to E3. Not something about a Disney+ rumor that's nearly non-existant since nothing came for a year just like the Netflix DMC series.
I'm beginning to think that this series in 'rumored to be in the works' in the same way that my girlfriend letting me sleep in the bedroom with her is 'rumored to be in the works'.
Combine multiple events from multiple games? So basically like the Pokemon Generations miniseries? That doesn't sound very appealing
Actually it could work, I could imagine them shooting it in an anime style. I could see them having a Hollow Bastion resident talk about the battle of 1000 heartless, while we watch Leon and the gang combat them.
Personally feel like the best route they could go for a KH series is a new original story, but one that can allow a lot of past events to be retold in this new format. A bit similar in concept to Melody of Memory, except both the past and new story content are interwoven with each other.
I'm beginning to think that this series in 'rumored to be in the works' in the same way that my girlfriend letting me sleep in the bedroom with her is 'rumored to be in the works'.
This series and my girlfriend also have something in common. They're both imaginary.
I still think that the series is real (if it didn't get canned), but we won't hear anything about it until 2022 as it could be one
of the surprise announcements Nomura said were in store for the franchise when Famitsu interviewed him last year,
but who knows.
I'm beginning to think that this series in 'rumored to be in the works' in the same way that my girlfriend letting me sleep in the bedroom with her is 'rumored to be in the works'.
Dayum. I was gonna make a "dad leaving for milk" joke but this takes the cake.
I still think that the series is real (if it didn't get canned), but we won't hear anything about it until 2022 as it could be one
of the surprise announcements Nomura said were in store for the franchise when Famitsu interviewed him last year,
but who knows.
Let's be honest, it probably got canned or just doesn't exist.
I'm still very hesitant about this no matter what I hear. Kingdom Hearts, in my mind, just cannot work as a TV series, at least not a good one. Most KH fans tend to agree that the story and the writing are among the weaker elements of the series, especially when you consider that 70-80% of the grand narrative is just watered-down retellings of already popular Disney films with original characters shoehorned in.
It could feasibly work as something intended for people who are already fans of the series, if they make it a story that's canon and relevant to the games. Otherwise, if the conceit is just to have an unconnected episodic series of Sora, Donald, and Goofy travelling to a new Disney world every episode, then I just don't see how it could realistically work.
And frankly, I'm not enthusiastic about the show's potential regarding the writing, either. I mean, we all know Nomura ain't no writer. If we take X Back Cover as an example of what we might see with KH translated to a TV medium, then frankly I'm not interested. Dialogue in the KH series blows, I hate to say it but it's true.
Damn, I never knew people disliked the story and characters so much... I personally quite liked them
Combine multiple events from multiple games? So basically like the Pokemon Generations miniseries? That doesn't sound very appealing
Not every game needs to be a season. For example, Coded's cutscene movie only clocks out at 30 minutes on YouTube. So I'd give it an flashback episode or just have a team up between Soras.
I like Chain of Memories more than Coded but both are excuse plots to get around budget issues. So having Sora uncover what happened in Castle Oblivion in the first half of KH2 is a better way to use it. It's a two bird one stone kinda thing.
Not every game needs to be a season. For example, Coded's cutscene movie only clocks out at 30 minutes on YouTube. So I'd give it an flashback episode or just have a team up between Soras.
I like Chain of Memories more than Coded but both are excuse plots to get around budget issues. So having Sora uncover what happened in Castle Oblivion in the first half of KH2 is a better way to use it. It's a two bird one stone kinda thing.
Yeah but according to the description in the rumor it would be "much shorter" then the anime attached to FF7. If it's like a twelve episode season containing certain events from all games up until now that doesn't really hold my interest
I'd rather have a series dedicated to one central storyline
I'd rather have a series dedicated to one central storyline
You know what I would love to see? A short series based around mini adventures Donald, Goofy, and Sora go on together, outside from just visiting typical disney worlds. Like, imagine a whole episode of them stuck in the Gummi ship trying to find a way to contact somebody for help. I really would love to see that kind of stuff, with the their personalities bouncinig off of one another.
Another idea would be Ventus and Roxas' groups of friends going on adventures or something.
Oh yeah... and they better keep the original voice actors for the characters, not just the disney ones lol
Damn, I never knew people disliked the story and characters so much... I personally quite liked them
Not to hate on people like you that like it. I'm just speaking from what I've heard, and in my experience, the majority of people in the KH community, even though we all love the series to death, would never recommend it for its writing or its dialogue. There seems to be a general feeling among the fandom that it's one of the weaker aspects of the series. I don't think anybody really dislikes the characters, it's more how the story works around them. The KH series is about 80% just retreading other Disney IP's, and oftentimes the impact that these adventures have on the main characters' development or on the broader narrative in the background is pretty minimal even in the best of cases.
It's the kind of dynamic that works fine in video game form, because even if the writing and story are held together with duct tape and glue, the gameplay and the other elements that go into it make up for it. But if you took away the gameplay aspect and just had a TV series based off it, I'm not convinced that the writing would really sell many people on it. It's just one of those franchises that really only works in one type of medium.
Hot take: if this series is real, I hope it never goes past 1.
You can easily milk 2 seasons(3 if they try hard enough) out of Kingdom Hearts 1 with the right staff of writers.
It would be the perfect gateway for new players too.
The 4chan rumor is very likely to be fake, but if it's somehow real then the reason the KH show is shorter than the FF7 one yet also complex is prolly cuz it's CG. Whenever Square uses CGI they kinda go big.
The 4chan rumor is very likely to be fake, but if it's somehow real then the reason the KH show is shorter than the FF7 one yet also complex is prolly cuz it's CG. Whenever Square uses CGI they kinda go big.
No matter how anybody feels about the story and characters, I think we can all agree that KH3, for the most part, had some fantastic graphics, especially with cutscenes.
idk if i should believe this rumor and get my hopes up. it could be cool if the show retold kh but since this was ages ago i guess we have to wait and see if this is real or not with more time.
Combine multiple events from multiple games? So basically like the Pokemon Generations miniseries? That doesn't sound very appealing
Actually I kinda think I'd prefer that. Something to show off the series to old fans or people who didn't play the games but know the overall plot. Harder for them to fuck it up.
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Disney+ announced a lot of new licensed and produced projects for their Asian-Pacific region. For Japan specifically, they've announced new anime series in the forms of Black★★Rock Shooter: DAWN FALL, Summer Time Rendering, Yojohan Time Machine Blues, and... an anime adaptation of Disney's Twisted Wonderland.
Do you think this makes Kingdom Hearts getting a Disney+ series more likely now?
Actually I kinda think I'd prefer that. Something to show off the series to old fans or people who didn't play the games but know the overall plot. Harder for them to fuck it up.
Would've loved a cinematic episode where Sora Donald and Goofy first meet in Traverse Town with an epic guard armor fight.
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Disney+ announced a lot of new licensed and produced projects for their Asian-Pacific region. For Japan specifically, they've announced new anime series in the forms of Black★★Rock Shooter: DAWN FALL, Summer Time Rendering, Yojohan Time Machine Blues, and... an anime adaptation of Disney's Twisted Wonderland.
Do you think this makes Kingdom Hearts getting a Disney+ series more likely now?
Nice to see Disney jump on the anime train. And yeah I wouldn't be surprised if this leads to an eventual KH anime series. We could get an announcement as soon as next year's 20th anniversary
[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/disney-asian-originals-slate-1235031232/[/URL]
Disney+ announced a lot of new licensed and produced projects for their Asian-Pacific region. For Japan specifically, they've announced new anime series in the forms of Black★★Rock Shooter: DAWN FALL, Summer Time Rendering, Yojohan Time Machine Blues, and... an anime adaptation of Disney's Twisted Wonderland.
Do you think this makes Kingdom Hearts getting a Disney+ series more likely now?
TWISTED WONDERLAND YESSSS
Shocked about Yojohan Time Machine Blues…
Honestly surprised about Tatami and Black Rock Shooter, I figured Crunchyroll, Funimation or HIDIVE would’ve gotten those. Though it does beg the question of whether or not it’ll get released in the West on the service or not.
I could see Twisted Wonderland being on there as a way to promote the mobile game in the West(in the event Disney decided to bring it over), but wasn’t expecting the first two.
Honestly surprised about Tatami and Black Rock Shooter, I figured Crunchyroll, Funimation or HIDIVE would’ve gotten those. Though it does beg the question of whether or not it’ll get released in the West on the service or not.
I could see Twisted Wonderland being on there as a way to promote the mobile game in the West(in the event Disney decided to bring it over), but wasn’t expecting the first two.
real talk I've been so amazingly angry that I couldn't play Twisted Wonderland so having either the game or the subbed anime come here would make me a very happy nerd.
[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/disney-asian-originals-slate-1235031232/[/URL]
Disney+ announced a lot of new licensed and produced projects for their Asian-Pacific region. For Japan specifically, they've announced new anime series in the forms of Black★★Rock Shooter: DAWN FALL, Summer Time Rendering, Yojohan Time Machine Blues, and... an anime adaptation of Disney's Twisted Wonderland.
Do you think this makes Kingdom Hearts getting a Disney+ series more likely now?
Maybe a bit.
But, regardless, I honestly feel that the chances of there being a series are pretty high with it being the 20th anniversary soon and Disney wanting as much content as possible for Disney+.
Though I feel it would also really depend on, if Nomura is game for there being a series. I feel they dont want to step on his toes right now.
Among the casual fans, the crossover element tends to be more appealing than the original lore/characters.
So doing a series where a Disney character teams up with a FF character would be dope.
PS. I have a pitch for Leon/Mickey prequel to KH1. This is just a way to make it canon.
I'm also cool with it being an anthology like Star Wars Visions.
tbh, I feel like promoting KH to a Disney fan feels like scam with how shafted Disney stuff are and with how Disney world plot are more often rehash o the movie, only pixar worlds have tweaks bc pixar is rebel like that. I want to be honest that KH is those kind of crackpot plot kind of fiction, not "lying" it's "just" crossover.
tbh, I feel like promoting KH to a Disney fan feels like scam with how shafted Disney stuff are and with how Disney world plot are more often rehash o the movie, only pixar worlds have tweaks bc pixar is rebel like that. I want to be honest that KH is those kind of crackpot plot kind of fiction, not "lying" it's "just" crossover.
Considering Disney, as a corporation, had done series like House of Mouse, Once Upon a Time, and in more recent years had Phineas and Ferb crossover specials with both Marvel and Star Wars, it’s more surprising that they didn’t make a series already.
And in fairness to at least the first KH game, the worlds weren’t complete movie rehashes, Olympus had its story take place after the movie much like the Pixar worlds, Wonderland ended on a cliffhanger regarding Alice until a later world revealed her fate, and Aladdin found out about the existence of other worlds and entrusted Sora with finding Jasmine with Genie’s help.
That said, I can agree that the crossover angle wouldn’t be enough. To really sell a KH show, there’d need to be more of a focus on th original stuff first before getting into the inevitable crossover aspect. Maybe a 3-episode pilot in the vein of Netflix Voltron could work: setup the characters, the world and then set the story going from there.
Yeah, I'm confident this show is going to happen but they're going to announce it at a dedicated Kingdom Hearts event.
I had a dream last night. The Kingdom Hearts channel on Youtube uploaded a teaser of the Disney+ series.
The first episode of the show was called Dream My Riku (Part 1). It got me thinking when I woke up, what if we get an Anthology series of Kingdom Hearts.
Each episode focuses on a different character throughout the series, we'll see different sides of them that we don't see in the games.
One episode could be Donald using Zettaflare for the first time, Goofy in KH3 seemed to be worried when Donald started to use it. Why did Donald use it for the first time? A mistake or was he fighting someone?
Another episode could focus on Isa/Saix making his way up in the Organization.
And of course, a few episodes could focus on the 1 year gap from Remind - could just get some slice of life with the Seasalt Gang.
Wayfinder Trio (and Chirithy) in the Realm of Darkness for an episode and maybe an episode of Mickey in Scala.
It'd be more for hardcore fans but I'd like to think some of these episodes can be watched by anyone.
I'd be down for a spinoff with one of the other trios.
I didn't mind Back Cover so if you wanna continue exploring that era more, I wouldn't mind that either.
I had a dream last night. The Kingdom Hearts channel on Youtube uploaded a teaser of the Disney+ series.
The first episode of the show was called Dream My Riku (Part 1). It got me thinking when I woke up, what if we get an Anthology series of Kingdom Hearts.
Each episode focuses on a different character throughout the series, we'll see different sides of them that we don't see in the games.
One episode could be Donald using Zettaflare for the first time, Goofy in KH3 seemed to be worried when Donald started to use it. Why did Donald use it for the first time? A mistake or was he fighting someone?
Another episode could focus on Isa/Saix making his way up in the Organization.
And of course, a few episodes could focus on the 1 year gap from Remind - could just get some slice of life with the Seasalt Gang.
Wayfinder Trio (and Chirithy) in the Realm of Darkness for an episode and maybe an episode of Mickey in Scala.
It'd be more for hardcore fans but I'd like to think some of these episodes can be watched by anyone.
That wasn't a dream...
It was a vision.?
That wasn't a dream...
It was a vision.?
I once dreamed the first three pages of a Knuckles the Echidna comic that came true a month later. Biggest waste of psychic premonition ever!
I'd be down for a Riku spinoff. You could make it an retelling of the Dark Seeker Saga from his perspective. You could even title it "another side, another story". ;).
I'd be down for a Riku spinoff. You could make it an retelling of the Dark Seeker Saga from his perspective. You could even title it "another side, another story". ;).
remember the april fools joke from years ago? It was a Riku spin off that was like a what-if story where Riku & Sora switch places.
What if we get a What if series where it focuses on Riku or Kairi taking Sora's place? Or maybe instead we get Sora, Riku and Kairi all traveling together :D
remember the april fools joke from years ago? It was a Riku spin off that was like a what-if story where Riku & Sora switch places.
What if we get a What if series where it focuses on Riku or Kairi taking Sora's place? Or maybe instead we get Sora, Riku and Kairi all traveling together :D
There was a good fanfic series called Antipode that did just that. I prefer it to canon so I'd recommend it. ;)
A KH What IF would be cool but I don't think the episodic format would work. You'd have to do more of a serialized format because KH is too interconnected. But most of Marvel What If are genre hops so KH What if could do the same.
Instead of a retelling of the series, I would love episodes/chapters that fill in some blanks left by the series.
For example, what the Radiant Garden Final Fantasy characters were doing during KH3, how Terra and Namine communicated with each other, where Riku got Kairi's keyblade etc. Those are stories not necessary for the main plot, but it would be interesting to get some background on them and give characters a chance to be fleshed out some more.
remember the april fools joke from years ago? It was a Riku spin off that was like a what-if story where Riku & Sora switch places.
What if we get a What if series where it focuses on Riku or Kairi taking Sora's place? Or maybe instead we get Sora, Riku and Kairi all traveling together :D
If it leads to RiKairi ship teasing then I'm all for it. :P
A what if with Riku actually getting his original keyblade would be pretty sweet. I'm kind of curious what his dynamic with Donald and Goofy would have been like compared to Sora
A what if with Riku actually getting his original keyblade would be pretty sweet. I'm kind of curious what his dynamic with Donald and Goofy would have been like compared to Sora
Riku learns what peking duck tastes like.
The problem with a lot of these ideas is that they would only appeal to pre-existing fans. We would watch a series that fills in the gaps of canon or What If...? KH edition, but such a thing wouldn't attract any new fans. And without new fans the series is gonna flop.
But while we're proposing concepts that aren't happening: Dark Road should have the Disney+ series instead of an add-on to KHUX. Prequels are a common way to get around continuity lock-out because it easily allows for old concepts to be reintroduced to new characters and audiences. A series format would have allowed the story room to breathe, assuming it was successful. But the timing didn't line up, so the opportunity was missed.
If it leads to RiKairi ship teasing then I'm all for it. :p
Don't do my guy dirty like that. :/
A what if with Riku actually getting his original keyblade would be pretty sweet. I'm kind of curious what his dynamic with Donald and Goofy would have been like compared to Sora
Check out Antipode. ;)
The problem with a lot of these ideas is that they would only appeal to pre-existing fans. We would watch a series that fills in the gaps of canon or What If...? KH edition, but such a thing wouldn't attract any new fans. And without new fans the series is gonna flop.
But while we're proposing concepts that aren't happening: Dark Road should have the Disney+ series instead of an add-on to KHUX. Prequels are a common way to get around continuity lock-out because it easily allows for old concepts to be reintroduced to new characters and audiences. A series format would have allowed the story room to breathe, assuming it was successful. But the timing didn't line up, so the opportunity was missed.
I disagree because outside of "KH What if?" most of our ideas are pretty tame. Plus Star Wars provided a good blueprint with its various animated series.
Clone Wars is an interquel for episodes 2 and 3 while Rebels was a prequel but they still served as good entryway for kids just discovering Star Wars.
The problem with a lot of these ideas is that they would only appeal to pre-existing fans. We would watch a series that fills in the gaps of canon or What If...? KH edition, but such a thing wouldn't attract any new fans. And without new fans the series is gonna flop.
But while we're proposing concepts that aren't happening: Dark Road should have the Disney+ series instead of an add-on to KHUX. Prequels are a common way to get around continuity lock-out because it easily allows for old concepts to be reintroduced to new characters and audiences. A series format would have allowed the story room to breathe, assuming it was successful. But the timing didn't line up, so the opportunity was missed.
I think that depends heavily on what Disney's intentions with this show are. Create a product to get the general subscribers into liking KH, or to get new subs from existing fans & Japanese audiences? I'm inclined to think it's the latter, Disney is expanding into Japan & they've been commissioning anime, including 1 based on Twisted Wonderland, a Disney flavored mobile game. Meanwhile, Disney has killed Kevin Smith's Kingdom Keepers adaptation, which would've covered similar ground to KH but likely would've been more appealing to general audiences. That says a lot about what they want out of this IMO.
I think that depends heavily on what Disney's intentions with this show are. Create a product to get the general subscribers into liking KH, or to get new subs from existing fans & Japanese audiences? I'm inclined to think it's the latter, Disney is expanding into Japan & they've been commissioning anime, including 1 based on Twisted Wonderland, a Disney flavored mobile game. Meanwhile, Disney has killed Kevin Smith's Kingdom Keepers adaptation, which would've covered similar ground to KH but likely would've been more appealing to general audiences. That says a lot about what they want out of this IMO.
The new exec that axed the show specifically said it eas because Smith wanted to use too many IPs in one project.
Hmmmmmm.
The new exec that axed the show specifically said it eas because Smith wanted to use too many IPs in one project.
Hmmmmmm.
Why not tell him to scale it back, then? How many is too many in their eyes? Does KH ends up just being Disney Castle cast & OCs?
Why not tell him to scale it back, then?
Presumably because he didn't want to.
Presumably because he didn't want to.
Raged quit the moment they asked him to put in a giant spider. (who gets this reference?)
I disagree because outside of "KH What if?" most of our ideas are pretty tame. Plus Star Wars provided a good blueprint with its various animated series.
Clone Wars is an interquel for episodes 2 and 3 while Rebels was a prequel but they still served as good entryway for kids just discovering Star Wars.
In case you didn't notice my own suggestion was a prequel. That kind of series can work. You can enjoy The Wolf Among Us without reading a single issue of Fables, and recently Arcane has been successful among viewers who otherwise have zero interest in League of Legends. But in order to do that the series would have to stand on its own from the source material. An anthology series that fills in the gaps of KH canon would be the opposite of standing on its own.
I think that depends heavily on what Disney's intentions with this show are. Create a product to get the general subscribers into liking KH, or to get new subs from existing fans & Japanese audiences?
Ideally? Both. If they absolutely had to choose one? The one that will appeal to a wider audience instead of the niche option. And realistically, how many people are such mega fans of KH that they'll subscribe to Disney+ to watch a show that only works for pre-existing fans, but are picky enough that they won't do the same for a more accessible KH show?
Ideally? Both. If they absolutely had to choose one? The one that will appeal to a wider audience instead of the niche option. And realistically, how many people are such mega fans of KH that they'll subscribe to Disney+ to watch a show that only works for pre-existing fans, but are picky enough that they won't do the same for a more accessible KH show?
Another thing to consider is Nomura. It's part of the deal with KH that Disney can't actually do anything with KH without Square's and Nomura's approval. That's why the rumor said Square made the pilot episode and possibly the whole series.
To me, a KH for a wider audience translates to "throw Nomura's nonsense in the trash". Like you gotta dumb that shit down. Ditch nobodies because their existence is too confusing. Keep Ansem as he was in the 1st game as the king gone bad. Maybe make Xehanort a wholly separate unrelated character from Ansem. More focus on marketable Disney to draw in the viewers. Also make Kairi a contributing character and not just the trophy. Stuff like that.
And Nomura probably wouldn't like all that very much. It goes against his vision and he has the authority to veto it. So it's gonna be his way or the highway.
Another thing to consider is Nomura. It's part of the deal with KH that Disney can't actually do anything with KH without Square's and Nomura's approval. That's why the rumor said Square made the pilot episode and possibly the whole series.
To me, a KH for a wider audience translates to "throw Nomura's nonsense in the trash". Like you gotta dumb that shit down. Ditch nobodies because their existence is too confusing. Keep Ansem as he was in the 1st game as the king gone bad. Maybe make Xehanort a wholly separate unrelated character from Ansem. More focus on marketable Disney to draw in the viewers. Also make Kairi a contributing character and not just the trophy. Stuff like that.
And Nomura probably wouldn't like all that very much. It goes against his vision and he has the authority to veto it. So it's gonna be his way or the highway.
A third option would just be to create a new cast/a new adventures. The Universe is a big place and they don't have to run into Sora and Xehanort right away.
Plus if it fails you can write it out easier. ;)
A third option would just be to create a new cast/a new adventures. The Universe is a big place and they don't have to run into Sora and Xehanort right away.
Which is prudent because Xehanort is the harder problem to fix. A lot of his retcons take away more than it adds. Plus you can't fix 3 without tackling the games before. So avoiding him altogether is the best option.
The nobodies don't get confusing till Roxas enters the picture. Roxas, Namine, Xion and Vanitas don't give insight into their hosts. But that's a characterization issue other franchises manage better.
Unlike Xehanort, you could fix the nobody concept by just creating new ones. Adaptations could work like second drafts so just learn from 2's mistakes. Which is a theme you can explore in a story by having the new Org learn from Xehanort's mistakes.
Plus if it fails you can write it out easier. ;)
in b4 the new cast and story is part of Phase 2 of Kingdom Hearts
You have to watch the Disney+ series to understand KH5 :P
in b4 the new cast and story is part of Phase 2 of Kingdom Hearts
You have to watch the Disney+ series to understand KH5 :p
KH is following in the footsteps of the MCU...lol
This promo image would sell itself....;).
Another thing to consider is Nomura. It's part of the deal with KH that Disney can't actually do anything with KH without Square's and Nomura's approval. That's why the rumor said Square made the pilot episode and possibly the whole series.
To me, a KH for a wider audience translates to "throw Nomura's nonsense in the trash". Like you gotta dumb that shit down. Ditch nobodies because their existence is too confusing. Keep Ansem as he was in the 1st game as the king gone bad. Maybe make Xehanort a wholly separate unrelated character from Ansem. More focus on marketable Disney to draw in the viewers. Also make Kairi a contributing character and not just the trophy. Stuff like that.
And Nomura probably wouldn't like all that very much. It goes against his vision and he has the authority to veto it. So it's gonna be his way or the highway.
More accessible does not mean "throw out the lore" it just means that you should be able to enjoy the show without playing every game. I certainly hope that Nomura is professional enough to work within those bounds.
If I were a bean counting executive for a streaming service and was presented with a show that would only be watched by pre-existing fans (and not every KH fan will watch, not everyone will follow the series anywhere) of a franchise that while successful isn't a mega-franchise like Marvel or Star Wars, and was told that the lead creator was enough of a diva that they weren't open to doing anything else and it was his way or the high way, I'd take the highway. Even if they were dumb enough create an entire series without getting an official greenlight. Why spend money on a project that is guaranteed to have a limited audience when that same money could instead be spent on more profitable projects?
More accessible does not mean "throw out the lore" it just means that you should be able to enjoy the show without playing every game. I certainly hope that Nomura is professional enough to work within those bounds.
If I were a bean counting executive for a streaming service and was presented with a show that would only be watched by pre-existing fans (and not every KH fan will watch, not everyone will follow the series anywhere) of a franchise that while successful isn't a mega-franchise like Marvel or Star Wars, and was told that the lead creator was enough of a diva that they weren't open to doing anything else and it was his way or the high way, I'd take the highway. Even if they were dumb enough create an entire series without getting an official greenlight. Why spend money on a project that is guaranteed to have a limited audience when that same money could instead be spent on more profitable projects?
Bingo. You either compromise greatly or you bend over for Disney. Unlike the games, a Disney+ show will definitely have more brand restrictions and guidelines, and when the toys you’re playing with don’t belong to you, you have to be a team player and compromise.
The problem with a lot of these ideas is that they would only appeal to pre-existing fans. We would watch a series that fills in the gaps of canon or What If...? KH edition, but such a thing wouldn't attract any new fans. And without new fans the series is gonna flop.
But while we're proposing concepts that aren't happening: Dark Road should have the Disney+ series instead of an add-on to KHUX. Prequels are a common way to get around continuity lock-out because it easily allows for old concepts to be reintroduced to new characters and audiences. A series format would have allowed the story room to breathe, assuming it was successful. But the timing didn't line up, so the opportunity was missed.
I'd be down for a Xehanort prequel but I rather it be produced on Netflix than Disney +. A Xehanort prequel should go to some dark places that I don't see Disney exploring in its animation.
A Riku centric show focused on his side would be cool, but if Disney wants to make a show that draws in a bigger viewer base they gotta do a soft reboot or something that tames Nomura's whacky lore nonsense.
The solution to getting non-KH fans to watch the series is pretty simple and what got people to even play KH1 - the DISNEY.
If they do WHAT IF episodes or make it an anthology series looking at different parts of the KH universe, just include the DISNEY side.
For example, they could do a WHAT IF episode and ask WHAT IF Riku entered the Olympus Coliseum tournament in KH1 and retell Olympus' story using Riku instead - we get Riku, Donald, Goofy, Hades, Hercules, Cloud and the Cereberus. That's reaching the DISNEY fan base and the Final Fantasy fan base right there AND maybe casuals that have DISNEY+ and are wondering what the heck is that show and will watch out of curiousity.
If they do it right, they could eventually build enough interest in the original characters to focus on them and original worlds in later episodes of the season. I mean, when I played KH1 for the first time (because I didn't watch Beauty and the Beast or Sleeping Beauty back then) I just assumed Maleficent and Hollow Bastion were the Beast's villain and world. So they could probably do a retelling of Hollow Bastion in KH1 somehow (maybe with Riku/Sora swapped or even Kairi in the original Riku role) and have The Beast and Maleficent and I think it could sell.
Not only that, but Sora's inclusion in SMASH basically opened up a whole new audience to KH and introduced things like Hollow Bastion to them.
Unlike the games, a Disney+ show will definitely have more brand restrictions and guidelines, and when the toys you’re playing with don’t belong to you, you have to be a team player and compromise.
Nomura: and so I was told I couldn't show Scar coming back from the dead as a Heartless and include Nobodies in the same episode, and that I would have to compromise. Therefore, I directed the team to carry on with our initial plans, and presented the finished episode to them (Disney).
*Laughs*
If they do it right
That's a pretty big if. Increased Disney involvement might get eyes on the series but it won't keep eyes on it if the rest of show has no connective tissue. If you want to make a reasonable prediction instead of just a fan wish list you should probably start with a safe show and work out how it could still appeal to hardcore fans instead of starting with a niche idea and trying to make it appeal to a wider audience.
But you may be right about increased Disney involvement. The initial rumor's returning voice actors (Jim Cummings, Bill Farmer, Tony Anselmo) all play Disney characters with no mention of the KH actors. We can only hope they strike the right balance.
That's a pretty big if. Increased Disney involvement might get eyes on the series but it won't keep eyes on it if the rest of show has no connective tissue. If you want to make a reasonable prediction instead of just a fan wish list you should probably start with a safe show and work out how it could still appeal to hardcore fans instead of starting with a niche idea and trying to make it appeal to a wider audience.
But you may be right about increased Disney involvement. The initial rumor's returning voice actors (Jim Cummings, Bill Farmer, Tony Anselmo) all play Disney characters with no mention of the KH actors. We can only hope they strike the right balance.
I mean we're all really basing this show around how it appeals to the general public with DISNEY+. I'm pretty it will get more views and attention than some of the other brand new shows DISNEY+ debuted like that President TV show or any other show that doesn't really have anything to draw attention.
Come to think of it, DISNEY+ hasn't had any animated shows (as far as I know) that were major hits like The Mandalorian or WandaVision. Maybe they are considering actually using this show as a vehicle to show off DISNEY+'s animation side for serious consideration? Again, as far as I know there haven't been any "standout" animated shows on DISNEY+. Especially if the KH series leans more on the side of drama instead of comedy.
The solution to getting non-KH fans to watch the series is pretty simple and what got people to even play KH1 - the DISNEY.
But the true question is, will the solution be simple AND clean?
But the true question is, will the solution be simple AND clean?
LOL.
I wonder if they will hire Utada to do a brand new theme song for the TV show? I'm willing to take whatever new music, especially if it's the boss Utada.
Come to think of it, DISNEY+ hasn't had any animated shows (as far as I know) that were major hits like The Mandalorian or WandaVision.
Monsters at Work comes to mind, but I'm not sure how big of a hit that was. And on the Star Wars side, The Bad Batch and Visions are Disney+ originals and while Clone Wars season 7 is a continuation of a Cartoon Network series, it's easily the biggest animated hit they've had so far. Upcoming animated series for D+ consist of Baymax, Zootopia+, Moana: The Series, X-Men '97 and Spider-Man: Freshman Year (among others). So there is a possibility that a KH series could join the ranks, but it's unlikely that it would be able to stand toe to toe with the aforementioned shows in popularity.
LOL.
I wonder if they will hire Utada to do a brand new theme song for the TV show? I'm willing to take whatever new music, especially if it's the boss Utada.
I'm going to bet we'll see a shortened version of Simple & Clean as the theme song
I'd probably headhunt former writers from the Avatar franchise to do a KH series. The Avatar show has better written characters and worldbuilding. Which is my 2 biggest issues with this franchise.
Avatar Alum have gone on to work on Star Wars content such as Clone Wars, Rebels, Resistance and Mandolorian. As well as Voltron Legendary Defenders and the Dragon Prince.
Whether they do a new story or adapt the Dark Seeker stuff, KH would benefit from their experience.
I still say just make King Mickey the main character. A prequel with him when he was younger or something, when he was first learning to use the Keyblade.
Mickey is a recognizable enough symbol that people would tune in for him even without knowing All the Lore, a prequel with him as an apprentice allows us to explore some extra new lore without it getting to Dark Seeker Saga confusing, there has never been an ongoing full length Mickey show that isn't for preschoolers so there's a lot of freedom of storylines and characterization especially when you add in the KH lore to it, you could even market it with the Fantasia outfit.
If they wanted this show to sell while keeping it in line with the main storyline, they need to lean into Disney. Mickey is the easiest way to accomplish that without sacrificing what KH is.
LOL.
I wonder if they will hire Utada to do a brand new theme song for the TV show? I'm willing to take whatever new music, especially if it's the boss Utada.
I’d be sold if they were able to make new theme songs for arcs based on the side games. I could CoM & Days sharing a theme, while BbS and DDD could get separate ones. Coded would be a mini arc set after 2 but before it’s post-credit scene, so it would likely use Sanctuary in my eyes
Monsters at Work comes to mind, but I'm not sure how big of a hit that was. And on the Star Wars side, The Bad Batch and Visions are Disney+ originals and while Clone Wars season 7 is a continuation of a Cartoon Network series, it's easily the biggest animated hit they've had so far. Upcoming animated series for D+ consist of Baymax, Zootopia+, Moana: The Series, X-Men '97 and Spider-Man: Freshman Year (among others). So there is a possibility that a KH series could join the ranks, but it's unlikely that it would be able to stand toe to toe with the aforementioned shows in popularity.
I haven't heard much about Monsters at Work, but I guess it's because it's not targeted to my age range. But still, if it were making an impact with audiences, I'm sure I would have heard more of it or seen clips/GIFs from it. I've seen stuff from The Bad Batch and Visions.
I was talking more about original DISNEY animated properties. The MARVEL and STAR WARS stuff seem to be THE groundbreaking and award recognized content on DISNEY+. The last DISNEY products that really garnered critical acclaim, from what I can remember, are SOUL and LUCA. Those were films, so DISNEY TV shows aren't making as much of a splash as their MARVEL and STAR WARS content. I think the KH show is their chance to really do something different with their properties.
I still say just make King Mickey the main character. A prequel with him when he was younger or something, when he was first learning to use the Keyblade.
Mickey is a recognizable enough symbol that people would tune in for him even without knowing All the Lore, a prequel with him as an apprentice allows us to explore some extra new lore without it getting to Dark Seeker Saga confusing, there has never been an ongoing full length Mickey show that isn't for preschoolers so there's a lot of freedom of storylines and characterization especially when you add in the KH lore to it, you could even market it with the Fantasia outfit.
If they wanted this show to sell while keeping it in line with the main storyline, they need to lean into Disney. Mickey is the easiest way to accomplish that without sacrificing what KH is.
Isn't Mickey meant for the younger crowd? Like you said, most Mickey TV shows are aimed at young children. If a regular person comes onto DISNEY+ and sees the KH show headlined by Mickey, they may deem it a show for kids and move on.
I personally wouldn't mind the show being a follow up to KH3 with Mickey, Donald and Goofy going to the DISNEY worlds in KH3. They have all the assets done (if they're using the Unreal Engine) and it was set up in KH3 as well. You have 7 episodes for the DISNEY worlds (Olympus, Toy Box, Corona, Arendelle, Monstropolis, The Caribbean and San Fransokyo) and then 3 episodes for the original worlds (Radiant Garden, Twilight Town and Keyblade Graveyard/Scala Ad Caelum) - for a total of 10 episodes.
I’d be sold if they were able to make new theme songs for arcs based on the side games. I could CoM & Days sharing a theme, while BbS and DDD could get separate ones. Coded would be a mini arc set after 2 but before it’s post-credit scene, so it would likely use Sanctuary in my eyes
If the TV show gave us new themes for those seasons, I'd be all for it. Even though I feel like Sanctuary is perfect for Days and Simple & Clean for CoM.
Ray of Hope mix is perfect for BbS honestly, but I will gladly take new themes (hopefully from Utada).
Isn't Mickey meant for the younger crowd? Like you said, most Mickey TV shows are aimed at young children. If a regular person comes onto DISNEY+ and sees the KH show headlined by Mickey, they may deem it a show for kids and move on.
I mean, sure, but if people of all ages can get into stuff like DuckTales I don't see why having a show about Mickey wouldn't be interesting, especially with it being established early on that it has a lot of lore since people are super into story heavy cartoons now. The main reason we don't have a full Mickey series is because Disney is scared of using Mickey in that kind of way, that has been the case forever. He is more of a symbol than a character by this point, so they don't take risks with him like they have with other Disney classic characters.
But King Mickey is a character Disney does have some level of trust on - DuckTales 2017 wasn't allowed to have Mickey in it at all, but KH3 briefly killed him, which even though didn't last is a pretty bold move to a character usually left to Disney Junior shows. He's distinct enough from regular Mickey that it isn't the same type of risk as making a Mickey show, but he's also obviously instantly recognizable.
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Kingdom hearts would be written off as a kids show anyway. You can't avoid that so you might as well lean into it.
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I'd suggest pairing Mickey up with another character. Riku works the easiest but pairing Leon with him would be interesting. They always felt like they had a history so leaning into that could be fun. It now becomes a buddy comedy where they learn and balance each other out. Plus Riku or Leon allows you to hook a teen audience. Especially the tumblr crowd. ;)
I'd be thrilled if there was a new Utada theme, but deep down I know that it'll be Simple and Clean again. Maybe if we're lucky there will be a new remix.
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If you want an adult friendly spinoff, I'd suggest doing a Lea/Isa spinoff. They have to go search for Oswald the lucky Rabbit or whoever you can use.
You could pitch as a buddy comedy like Falcon and Winter Soldier. To me, they always felt like adult foils for Sora and Riku. So you could explore them trying to rebuild their friendship.
Instead of making Relena a time traveler, I'd just make her Lea and Isa's friend who they had a falling out with. Which I guess we could still do with Subject X but Relena would be an easier sell.
You could add Max Goof and friends as their support crew.
Plus they were apart of the Organization for 10+ years. That is fertile ground for storytelling.
I mean, sure, but if people of all ages can get into stuff like DuckTales I don't see why having a show about Mickey wouldn't be interesting, especially with it being established early on that it has a lot of lore since people are super into story heavy cartoons now. The main reason we don't have a full Mickey series is because Disney is scared of using Mickey in that kind of way, that has been the case forever. He is more of a symbol than a character by this point, so they don't take risks with him like they have with other Disney classic characters.
But King Mickey is a character Disney does have some level of trust on - DuckTales 2017 wasn't allowed to have Mickey in it at all, but KH3 briefly killed him, which even though didn't last is a pretty bold move to a character usually left to Disney Junior shows. He's distinct enough from regular Mickey that it isn't the same type of risk as making a Mickey show, but he's also obviously instantly recognizable.
DuckTales 2017 had adults who were kids when the original came out watching it. It's kind of amazing to me the disconnect between DISNEY fans and KH fans. I know a lot of DISNEY fans that have no clue that KH even exists. My theory on that is perhaps back in KH's original day, gaming was way more of a niche, but now it's much more mainstream.
I suppose if they do it as "King Mickey" and not just regular Mickey, they may take more of a risk. But they were scared to use Mickey in KH1 (hence his appearance at the end, in shadow), and now look how far he's come in KH3. I suppose they could do a King Mickey show and tell his story across KH1-3. Although, starting a King Mickey TV show in the Realm of Darkness and having him encounter an Aqua suffering from depression may not be the most DISNEY+ show. I would watch though, it would really set the stage as to why Mickey is on this journey (and set up who Xehanort is).
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If you want an adult friendly spinoff, I'd suggest doing a Lea/Isa spinoff. They have to go search for Oswald the lucky Rabbit or whoever you can use.
You could pitch as a buddy comedy like Falcon and Winter Soldier. To me, they always felt like adult foils for Sora and Riku. So you could explore them trying to rebuild their friendship.
Instead of making Relena a time traveler, I'd just make her Lea and Isa's friend who they had a falling out with. Which I guess we could still do with Subject X but Relena would be an easier sell.
You could add Max Goof and friends as their support crew.
Plus they were apart of the Organization for 10+ years. That is fertile ground for storytelling.
KH is for kids, yet doesn't stray from dark ideas. KH doesn't really lean into the kid thing, it sort of is just placed there due to the DISNEY aspect... which, in itself, has pretty dark stuff sometimes. KH3 probably featured the most "real deaths" in DISNEY worlds, we also got possession in two worlds.
I honestly don't know what I want for a KH show. Part of me wants a show that will be done really well and is accessible to non-fans, so that I can use that as a vehicle to introduce my friends to KH. Part of me wants a show that is catering to the hardcore fans. The only thing I know for sure is that I want more music from Utada for this show lol. DISNEY please pay Utada.
Does no one else kinda want a KHUX TV series!? I mean I have searched the internet far and wide, but I seem to be the only one to have thought about this. Or, possibly, this is huge, but bear with me. A full-on Disney movie with Pixar-grade animation and top notch voice acting about UX. I mean, seriously, think about it. Ithink the only obstacle in the way would be fitting in the protaganist. Plus, with a story involving Strelitzia's murder plus the mystery of solving it, not to mention the literal keyblade war. In fact, I think this could have an epic finale that would answer all Xehanort's questions about the war and how it ended. I know it will probably never happen, and it's pretty unrealistic, but I mean, it would kick up the popularity of the series significantly, since Disney does zero marketing for Kingdom Hearts, plus- Why Not!? And if they did go through with the plan and the series/movie was actually good, it woulld totally be my #1 favorite movie/series of all time.
Does no one else kinda want a KHUX TV series!? I mean I have searched the internet far and wide, but I seem to be the only one to have thought about this. Or, possibly, this is huge, but bear with me. A full-on Disney movie with Pixar-grade animation and top notch voice acting about UX. I mean, seriously, think about it. Ithink the only obstacle in the way would be fitting in the protaganist. Plus, with a story involving Strelitzia's murder plus the mystery of solving it, not to mention the literal keyblade war. In fact, I think this could have an epic finale that would answer all Xehanort's questions about the war and how it ended. I know it will probably never happen, and it's pretty unrealistic, but I mean, it would kick up the popularity of the series significantly, since Disney does zero marketing for Kingdom Hearts, plus- Why Not!? And if they did go through with the plan and the series/movie was actually good, it woulld totally be my #1 favorite movie/series of all time.
I'd want it but I also want a proper MMO of UX so I'm conflicted.
Also UX would require a lot of retooling to make it TV-ready. Part of me thinks it would be easier just to start from a fresh idea.
I'd want it but I also want a proper MMO of UX so I'm conflicted.
Also UX would require a lot of retooling to make it TV-ready. Part of me thinks it would be easier just to start from a fresh idea.
I suspect the inevitable KH MMO will be actually be a new Keyblade War in present time tbh.
I'd like to see a Keyblade War TV show, but KHUX is actually an obstacle to it. KHUX has already told a story that wasn't created for the format and it would take quite a bit of reworking to make it capable of supporting a show. I wouldn't mind it if that did somehow pull it off, but as Oracle Spockanort said it would probably be easier to start fresh.
One possibility for a Keyblade War series would be to set it during the first war. It would allow for a blank slate.
Yeah this series doesn't exist.
Yeah this series doesn't exist.
Why say that? It could easily be announced on April 10th or around April 10th
Yeah this series doesn't exist.
Animated projects, especially animated projects with tons of IP involved take a long time to produce. If this rumor dropped when the show was in preproduction, then it only makes perfect sense for it to take awhile.
So with the anniversary having come and gone with no word on a show should we declare this rumor dead? Or is there a chance it still might be announce somewhere down the line?
So with the anniversary having come and gone with no word on a show should we declare this rumor dead? Or is there a chance it still might be announce somewhere down the line?
D23 maybe
So with the anniversary having come and gone with no word on a show should we declare this rumor dead? Or is there a chance it still might be announce somewhere down the line?
I forgot that was even a thing. I didn't put much stock into a KH TV series myself. Maybe when they said TV series they meant "Kingdom Hearts will start getting references on Disney Plus shows" and to be fair that has happened.
Personally I feel like this show was a thing then it got scrapped.
I wonder why they would scrap it now? I don't think Kingdom Hearts has ever been as big as it is right now, so if ever there was to do a TV series wouldn't now be the time? Very curious.
Since the reports were that SE was doing it, my honest opinion is that SE delivered a pilot that was as ????? as Back Cover and the Disney Plus peeps were like "nevermind then"
So with the anniversary having come and gone with no word on a show should we declare this rumor dead? Or is there a chance it still might be announce somewhere down the line?
D23, any random point in time, an investor’s call. Disney would absolutely control an announcement like this and not leave it up to SE lol
Since the reports were that SE was doing it, my honest opinion is that SE delivered a pilot that was as ????? as Back Cover and the Disney Plus peeps were like "nevermind then"
I can very easily see that xD
If KH IV is really dropping in 2024, it might be better if they hold off on announcing the TV show until after KH IV is released. IF it were happening, I could see them releasing the show in Summer of 2024, if KH IV gets released in January.
Since the reports were that SE was doing it, my honest opinion is that SE delivered a pilot that was as ????? as Back Cover and the Disney Plus peeps were like "nevermind then"
To be fair, that's the purpose of having a pilot. The people in charge want a basic idea of what a series will look like before they commit to spending millions of dollars on an entire season.
That being said, if this theory is true I want to see the rejected pilot and judge it for myself. But I also want to see Seth Kearsley's pilot from way back but I doubt that's ever happening.
D23 maybe
Yeah, I think that's the perfect time to announce it. Clearly the 20th Anniversary event was centered around Kingdom Hearts IV.
I still heavily doubt this series exists.
And if it does, it was rejected again.
If they do announce it, I just hope they announce that it’s in production and not a full release date. If they had job listings for this show, I’d be applying without a second thought.
If they retell KH1 and we get Haley Joel Osment, it's just going to be funny to have deep voice kid Sora again
I think both it and the books for little kids were probably cancelled when whatever executive greenlit them realized what Kingdom Hearts actually is, possibly due to actually talking to Nomura.
I think both it and the books for little kids were probably cancelled when whatever executive greenlit them realized what Kingdom Hearts actually is, possibly due to actually talking to Nomura.
Oh yeah, I remember that book series. That was cancelled?
Yeah, that fell through. Though if I recall correctly, that was announced a good year or two before the animated series rumours started popping up
If they retell KH1 and we get Haley Joel Osment, it's just going to be funny to have deep voice kid Sora again
As iconic as he is in the role, for a young Sora they really should get a younger voice for that role if they ever use KH1 Sora again, and it's only a matter of time.
Yeah, that fell through. Though if I recall correctly, that was announced a good year or two before the animated series rumours started popping up
Is that for scholastic books? If so I warned everyone that the youngsters were not ready for the madness that is Kingdom Hearts. Kids would be opening their hearts to darkness in schools and libraries all over the world.
Is that for scholastic books? If so I warned everyone that the youngsters were not ready for the madness that is Kingdom Hearts. Kids would be opening their hearts to darkness in schools and libraries all over the world.
The very same. Shame that series got cancelled, I was curious on what stories it’d bring to the table
The very same. Shame that series got cancelled, I was curious on what stories it’d bring to the table
You mean the same brand that had the gall to not bother giving Xaldin his own page and described him like he's Luxord. Misspelling things like "Royal" and "Keyblade" and ignoring Xigbar entirely?
Yeah, I'm curious too.
You mean the same brand that had the gall to not bother giving Xaldin his own page and described him like he's Luxord. Misspelling things like "Royal" and "Keyblade" and ignoring Xigbar entirely?
Yeah, I'm curious too.
Guide books that were done haphazardly and a potential story series set in the future of the series(canon or not) are two different things.
Anyone still think this exists?
Anyone still think this exists?
No, not really. I wish it'd exist though, and that's a sentiment a lot of people share.
Anyone still think this exists?
At this point, no. If there ever is a KH series in the future it will probably be unrelated to this rumor
Anyone still think this exists?
I mean, shows take a long time to be made. I don’t doubt the veracity of the rumor that Disney asked SE to make a pilot.
I think what would be in question is if Disney picked it up or not. If they did, I would absolutely say our best bet at hearing anything about it would be D23 Expo next month. After that, nah. It’s probably dead.
If they didn’t pick it up, we would never know unless Nomura is able and willing to speak about it.
Personally, I am hopeful but not expectant. Disney+ needs to buff up its content, especially child/young teen-targeted media. Bluey can’t save D+ alone!
It would be beneficial for SE and Disney to figure out a way to have expanded media for KH if they intend for the series to grow and thrive into the next decade.
If it didn’t get picked up, I worry that SE nor Disney know how to approach a series which is stupid because they can do it if they are willing to start fresh. Do a clean remake/retelling of the games with a good show runner, or start fresh with a new cast based in the existing storyline.
The third option is honing in on the most popular batch: Roxas, Xion, and Lea. Build a show about them. Keep them detached from the main storyline, keep their core personalities and backgrounds in tact but integrate that into the story so a new audience can learn about them and their past as if it is a new mystery. It can work but it requires a talented team with good writing.
Nomura should not be in charge of the writing. Exec producer with the ability to give his blessings and provide story outlines and stuff but beyond that he shouldn’t be heavily involved.
As much as KH may be Nomura's baby I think he's also holding it back from expanding as a franchise.
Take this TV show situation for example. I'm pretty sure that it started when Seth Kearsley posted his old storyboards from his rejected attempt at adapting KH into an animated series back in the day. People encouraged him to try again and apparently he did and the executives were initially receptive but then lost interest - probably when Nomura found out and demanded control. And now there's radio silence on how well this SE-created series is doing. I'm not familiar with with Seth Kearsley's work so I don't know if he's the right person to be a showrunner for a KH series, but he's been working in American cartoons since the 90's and is probably a lot more knowledgeable about what makes them work and how to get them greenlit than Nomura is.
There was also that leaked middle grade book series that was eventually cancelled for mysterious reasons. Hmm, I wonder why?
This is actually a double-edged sword because while it prevents spin-off that don't involve Nomura, it also keeps the franchise out of the hands of people who don't understand it at all and just want a quick cash-in. I just think that KH has the right ingredients to be bigger than it currently is, but Nomura won't let it be pushed in that direction because that would mean losing control.
As much as KH may be Nomura's baby I think he's also holding it back from expanding as a franchise.
Take this TV show situation for example. I'm pretty sure that it started when Seth Kearsley posted his old storyboards from his rejected attempt at adapting KH into an animated series back in the day. People encouraged him to try again and apparently he did and the executives were initially receptive but then lost interest - probably when Nomura found out and demanded control. And now there's radio silence on how well this SE-created series is doing. I'm not familiar with with Seth Kearsley's work so I don't know if he's the right person to be a showrunner for a KH series, but he's been working in American cartoons since the 90's and is probably a lot more knowledgeable about what makes them work and how to get them greenlit than Nomura is.
There was also that leaked middle grade book series that was eventually cancelled for mysterious reasons. Hmm, I wonder why?
This is actually a double-edged sword because while it prevents spin-off that don't involve Nomura, it also keeps the franchise out of the hands of people who don't understand it at all and just want a quick cash-in. I just think that KH has the right ingredients to be bigger than it currently is, but Nomura won't let it be pushed in that direction because that would mean losing control.
Seth was never the best choice for a show, but I appreciate his efforts and passion for trying to make it happen. There were multiple pilots attempted by different writers/show runners back then, too. And Nomura caused them all to be halted once he found out what Disney was doing.
And I get it. When a creator has so much control over the creation of a product like KH, it’s hard to loosen the reins or to feel comfortable trusting others with said product. I feel like he’s been willing with Kanemaki and Amano because Kanemaki is his friend and Amano’s take isn’t an attempt to outdo the games or overtake his own canon story.
With an actual show, he would lose nearly all control like you said. It wouldn’t be his anymore, and also Disney could also do whatever they want with it without his input. And if they do that with the show, then the concern would be that they’d also do whatever they want with the games down the line.
So yeah it’s a double-edged sword.
Nomura cannot and should not be the one to make a show. This series deserves something new and fresh to draw in new audiences, and I don’t think Nomura has the ability to divorce himself from the story he has already made/plans to make do make that happen. I also think we deserve to see what KH would be like in somebody else’s hands. But that person would also need to truly understand the series and idk if there is anybody working in the industry that can do that atm. I’m sure there is, but they probably aren’t in the position to do that job…not to mention Disney would have their guidelines that would also affect the show.
And the other side is that Nomura should not lose control of this series either xD I fear what Disney would do if they had absolute control and stopped respecting Nomura’s autonomy.
(Also I’ll forever be salty about the novel series. I think the problem was that it touted itself as canon. I think had they not done that, it would have probably stayed off of Nomura’s radar at least until it released the first book. I’ll always mourn what could have been…)
(Also I’ll forever be salty about the novel series. I think the problem was that it touted itself as canon. I think had they not done that, it would have probably stayed off of Nomura’s radar at least until it released the first book. I’ll always mourn what could have been…)
Why are you salty about the novel series though? It's still around and even reached KH3 ReMind content too.
Why are you salty about the novel series though? It's still around and even reached KH3 ReMind content too.
? This is about Brooke Vitale’s middle grade novel series. She was going to be writing a series of books that took place in KH canon for Disney and published by Scholastic.
? This is about Brooke Vitale’s middle grade novel series. She was going to be writing a series of books that took place in KH canon for Disney and published by Scholastic.
Oh, you were talking about the Scholastic books. Yes that is quite unfortunate. More media for KH means more exposure for the brand. I still wonder is this CGI show was really going to happen? I would have thought they'd announce it at the anniversary, wouldn't they?
Oh, you were talking about the Scholastic books. Yes that is quite unfortunate. More media for KH means more exposure for the brand. I still wonder is this CGI show was really going to happen? I would have thought they'd announce it at the anniversary, wouldn't they?
Disney would handle any announcements of a show for their service. D23 Expo is next month so that would be the most likely place for it to show up. It would be KH’s NA anniversary month as well, so if it doesn’t happen then, it probably isn’t happening.
I mourn the missed opportunity of having a Kingdom Hearts: The Animated Series in the mid-2000's. 65 episodes adapting the original trilogy of games. Something started before KH began struggling with the weight of its own lore. In the right hands it could have been a masterpiece. And it could have come out during my prime cartoon watching years! But alas it was not meant to be.
My main reason to think it isn't happening is because franchise entries (be whatever franchise) usually get announced WAY in advance - Percy Jackson was even before it was greenlit.
The only reason to only announce it now when it's been rumored for ages is if they struggled a lot behind the scenes with who would do what. Which IS possible, KH is always a bit messy in that sense, and this is a series that would go beyond the video game public KH has.
It's sad really, we live in a world where Sora joining in on one of the most beloved fighting games of all time actually happened but don't live in a world where the forces that be can't just.. agree to make a cartoon series that would put more money in their pockets. It's not like Kingdom Hearts is obscure gaming knowledge now, it's proven that it's a mainstay in the collective unconscious and can be even bigger than it is now.
A hint at what? There's no way he's involved in the new KH series, if such a thing existed. He's just itching to post about the series and wants to upload it and if there were any chance of him working on such a thing with Disney any more he wouldn't be working with his lawyer to break his NDA.
Ok then. False alarm. I'll just go ahead and delete tweet
If it happens, I'm hoping it's good.
A hint at what? There's no way he's involved in the new KH series, if such a thing existed. He's just itching to post about the series and wants to upload it and if there were any chance of him working on such a thing with Disney any more he wouldn't be working with his lawyer to break his NDA.
Context? I feel like I’m missing something since the original message is gone. Are we talking about Seth Kearsley?
EDIT: Never mind, looked it up. If he gets the chance to share it, great ? If not, oh well.
A hint at what? There's no way he's involved in the new KH series, if such a thing existed. He's just itching to post about the series and wants to upload it and if there were any chance of him working on such a thing with Disney any more he wouldn't be working with his lawyer to break his NDA.
What's the hint? I don't see the hint in the thread.
Seth posted a picture of a VHS of the original pilot. Swoosh mistook it as a hint at the Disney+ series. A simple mistake, that's all.
Speaking of, it was interesting to know that Vaan's VA voices Sora in the cartoon pilot. I suppose that's the crumb we get to hold on to now :)
Oh, wow. I could sort of picture Vaan's VA playing Sora.
That’s actually kinda neat. Maybe working on that pilot is what let to him getting the role. Apparently, if Wikipedia is accurate, he also played some additional voices in The Jungle Book 2, where HJO played Mowgli and Mae Whitman was Shanti.
It’s most likely that Square and Disney were pulling from a similar talent pool at the time, but I think that’s a pretty neat unintentional connection
Oh, wow. I could sort of picture Vaan's VA playing Sora.
Same! When I first learned about it I realised that they both could kinda effortlessly pass for the other on certain line, particularly KH2 Sora and Vaan imo.
And that's all without even trying haha
Video games are hard to adapt because storytelling tends to be secondary or seperate. Even games with stories tend to feel disjointed or padded out. So you'd have to reassess what to keep/cut etc.
I'd say a new cast and story like the Mandalorian would be best. Most casual fans tend to find the Xehanort stuff off-putting so moving away from it would be advisable. You could reintroduce it later but try something new for the first impression.
You could do some fun pairings like Aqua with Webby or Ven with Oswald etc.
That’s actually kinda neat. Maybe working on that pilot is what let to him getting the role. Apparently, if Wikipedia is accurate, he also played some additional voices in The Jungle Book 2, where HJO played Mowgli and Mae Whitman was Shanti.
Yes, he was the ADR actor for HJO. In films, when you can't get an actor back for a reshoot or pickup, a soundalike will dub over for them. He was that for The Jungle Book
Yes, he was the ADR actor for HJO. In films, when you can't get an actor back for a reshoot or pickup, a soundalike will dub over for them. He was that for The Jungle Book
Makes sense. I remember Josh Keaton talking about that before on a Voltron after show podcast.
While his main role on the show was Black Lion pilot Shiro, he also did ADR for one of the shopkeepers in the Season 2 episode “Space Mall”.
And of course, a more known use of ADR is foreign language dubbing, be it animation or live action drama for audiences overseas or foreign shows getting brought to English speaking audiences to be dubbed.
On the off chance that this is still happening, my last hope for a reveal is this being a surprise announcement
at Jump Festa in tandem with any KH IV or Missing Link news if either of those titles show up there this year.
On the off chance that this is still happening, my last hope for a reveal is this being a surprise announcement
at Jump Festa in tandem with any KH IV or Missing Link news if either of those titles show up there this year.
I guess anything could happen at this point if it is still in development.
What's old is new again:
What's old is new again:
Was just on my way here to report this… don’t know anything about this Daniel Richtman guy, but apparently he’s legit. Seems he posted something about it on his Patreon, but not clear what exactly he said.
Anyway, I’ll believe it when I see it ?
What's old is new again:
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He’s been wrong before, but he definitely has legit sources and scoops. I think the timing makes sense with KH4 on the horizon to catch people up. And I’m sure Disney wants in on the success recent video game adaptions have had.
I mean, without sources or more information it's just an educated guess that I could make myself.
But if it's real, please be an adaptation of Union X or a new canon story. If it's KH1 I'm not interested.
But whatever it is, it better be good and get more people interested in playing the games.
I mean, without sources or more information it's just an educated guess that I could make myself.
But if it's real, please be an adaptation of Union X or a new canon story. If it's KH1 I'm not interested.
But whatever it is, it better be good and get more people interested in playing the games.
Leakers/scoopers like this don’t name their sources as that would put that source at risk of job loss, etc. It may still be bullshit, but just saying they won’t reveal their sources if it is real. Best thing to do is wait to see if any other scoopers back up the claim.
Leakers are the only people giving us news in this drought lol
Leakers are the only people giving us news in this drought lol
That’s why I can’t even be mad if this is fake. We need something to talk about. ?
LOL
I mean I'm down for whatever. I love KH as a video game first and foremost, so anything they do with it as a movie or series (that I am not forced to purchase) is no big shake for me. At best it'll be entertaining and capitalize on what's so good about KH, at worst it'll be boring expository 'information' tying into their latest failed phone game. Either way, I'll watch for the sex scenes.
RPK coulda had somethin related to the actual games like the Sonic thing but nah it's just this stupid Disney+ thing again
RPK coulda had somethin related to the actual games like the Sonic thing but nah it's just this stupid Disney+ thing again
Someone on Reddit said he also claimed KH4 is releasing next year on his Patreon. But good luck to anyone who wants to pay to verify that information.
I paid. All he posted was that he hears an adaptation is still in development at Disney. So it sounds like his report from 2020. Nothing about KH4 there.
Someone on Reddit said he also claimed KH4 is releasing next year on his Patreon. But good luck to anyone who wants to pay to verify that information.
Not like he can have someone back that up if he did say that like Midori with Frontiers 2. Barely anyone really cares to leak KH stuff outside of what happened nearing KH3's release sooooo....
It's been forever but I'm still in love with the idea of a Kingdom Hearts movie/series. I hope they finally do it now. This would be a good place to use a worldline, go have some crazy adventure without worrying about 'canon' or bumping into whatever huge story Nomura is (slowly) cooking up.
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Pretty much my reaction, to be honest.
If this indeed was/is a thing, then either Square or the mouse would have announced it themselves by now. In short, i’ll believe it when I see it.
RPK doesn't exactly have the best track record for anything outside trailers btw. Stuff he says could either be too soon, just in talks, or plain wrong with Patreon money being a priority. Unless someone who actually has the credibility and rep backs this up like Midori with "Frontiers 2" this is still ultimately a grain of salt.
Besides, Disney themselves haven't really been...stellar lately sooooo
Also love how the guy on reddit who said that RPK said KH4 was coming out next year was basically just like those "Nomura said" people
Also love how the guy on reddit who said that RPK said KH4 was coming out next year was basically just like those "Nomura said" people
HMK included a screenshot in his recent video where RPK does mention KH4 next year. Idk what to believe anymore. Lol. The RPK post was apparently back on the 21st. Still massive grain of salt though. I think 2025 is a safe guess for KH4 at this point anyways.
RPK doesn't exactly have the best track record for anything outside trailers btw. Stuff he says could either be too soon, just in talks, or plain wrong with Patreon money being a priority. Unless someone who actually has the credibility and rep backs this up like Midori with "Frontiers 2" this is still ultimately a grain of salt.
Besides, Disney themselves haven't really been...stellar lately sooooo
Also love how the guy on reddit who said that RPK said KH4 was coming out next year was basically just like those "Nomura said" people
But I believe that guy on reddit, I talk with him every day, his uncle works directly with Tetsuya Nomura, even pitched a few ideas to him like the hot rod enemy in KH2.
Oh it was a comment on his discord. No wonder I didn't see it, I didn't subscribe to the highest tier so channels were locked when I peeped in. Get that coin, king.
I do hope KH4 is next year, that would be awesome.
I guess we'll be eating good later this year and next year, this series and two new KH games.
I do hope KH4 is next year, that would be awesome.
I guess we'll be eating good later this year and next year, this series and two new KH games.
its been so long since we ate good. i'll go break out the good china and Chaser can bring the Sea Salt Ice Cream
Once again, RPK ain't that credible outside of trailer dates. This is a nothingburger unless someone with better rep[which is unlikely]decides to back it up.
More likely we'll get another post from that Taichi_Aoki dumbass that is obviously BS.
The fact that the Gaming Leaks subreddit slapped the Leak tag onto this when it's STILL a rumor makes me shake my head.
I don't think anyone is taking this as absolute fact - it certainly shouldn't be - but like Luminary said, it's just something to talk about.
As evident by this thread, a show has been rumoured for a long time (Daniel made a report in 2020 about it as well) but nothing has come from it. But it's still nice for people to think about how a show or movie would form, what style it would be in, all that jazz.
Besides, Disney have been considering a movie for KH since before July 2017
Ryan: Have you ever imagined there being a Kingdom Hearts CGI movie, similar to Advent Children or Kingsglaive? Nomura: Nothing has been thought about in terms of a cinematic piece, only because it's difficult to put into a narrative that has become as complex as Kingdom Hearts. Of course, we do have a 15 year history so it has come up in discussions about doing some sort of cinematic piece, especially from Disney. They are interested in making a CG movie of sort, but again, it's difficult to make the call on how we want to execute it and how to form it. I still haven't come to a resolution about what would be the most appropriate way in which we depict the narrative, so nothing specific has been formulated. |
So to me it's no surprise if it gets pitched every couple of years.
And 2025 for KH4 is assuredly a safe-ish bet.
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I do wonder what they'll do for the series though, a retelling makes sense since Missing Link has new models of Pinocchio and other older characters.
KH1 could be 26 episodes, maybe they could put a new disney world in the story to replace Deep Jungle like Jungle Book?
Chain of Memories, I feel like they should just do the main story stuff since that's sort of a retelling already.
Hopefully they do KH2 before Days but I have a feeling they'll do Days first. (even though KH2 should be played before Days)
I do wonder what they'll do for the series though, a retelling makes sense since Missing Link has new models of Pinocchio and other older characters.
The models aren't new at all, actually. They're the exact same wireframes from 2002, just with glossy UE4 lighting thrown on top. Looks fine from a distance, but abysmal when you get up close to it.
I do wonder what they'll do for the series though, a retelling makes sense since Missing Link has new models of Pinocchio and other older characters.
Retelling or otherwise, I hope they don’t just reuse the existing KH assets. I’d prefer something more stylized. Maybe something that blends 2D and CGI.
The VisualWorks CGI could work, but would probably be expensive.
I do wonder what they'll do for the series though, a retelling makes sense since Missing Link has new models of Pinocchio and other older characters.
KH1 could be 26 episodes, maybe they could put a new disney world in the story to replace Deep Jungle like Jungle Book?
Chain of Memories, I feel like they should just do the main story stuff since that's sort of a retelling already.
Hopefully they do KH2 before Days but I have a feeling they'll do Days first. (even though KH2 should be played before Days)
I think you could put CoM and Days in the same season with the right execution. Like, as an idea, whenever Sora goes into a Disney world in Castle Oblivion, you could cut to Roxas on missions in that world. That or cut to Riku experiencing those worlds instead. And then, when the CoM material wraps up, the rest of the season would focus on the Days material.
A retelling does sort of make sense as an alternate means of getting newcomers up to speed on the lore. The longer the game series goes on, the more intimidating the "required reading" backlog becomes for newcomers. Plus some games are a slog to play or aren't even playable in their current forms. It might be for the best to have an easy to digest tv show to point to up to speed.
Making a whole TV show just for people to skip games using feels like a waste of art to me.
Most likely if it's a retelling it'll be so different that it's pointless to speculate how they'd handle Days, CoM, etc. If it's a new work, they can do whatever they want to make it work as an original tv show.
Making a whole TV show just for people to skip games using feels like a waste of art to me.
They did it for TWEWY in the lead up to it's sequel. Though, to be fair, they didn't port the game to anything but the Switch whereas KH is available on everything but Steam.
I am of the opinion that a series that re-treads the last 22 years of KH seems a bit pointless when we're going into a new arc with new characters, new villains, new everything. But on the other hand I also would love to see KH1 and KH2 retold where each Disney world is a two-part episode.
I'd take a retelling if it meant an awesomely animated Xemnas fight. Like if this is real and they go for an anime style, imagine if they get a damn good studio.
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You think the new Disney Studios lead could bet on videogames adaptations like Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy or Fortnite after the success of Super Mario Bros, The Last Of Us, Twisted Metal, Uncharted, Free Guy, Sonic, etc?? Well, to get one thing out the way, Disney is developing an animated Kingdom Hearts movie. While years back I had heard the idea was to do something on Disney+, more recently I have heard the goal would be big screen adaptation, but as of now, these are just rumblings and nothing has been greenlit. Disney may have more of an interest on actual gaming instead of developing movies based on video games… Prince of Persia and Need For Speed were both duds for Disney. |
"Disney is developing a KH movie"
"There are just rumblings and nothing has been greenlit"
These statements contradict each other ffs
Don't friggin say "Oh they're doing this" and then saying "there are just rumblings" as if you heard it around the water cooler.
Just like that tweet saying "Disney is REPORTEDLY doing this" when all you have is some guy saying "I hear they're doing this" with no proof or anything to back it up.
AND DON'T SAY "they're doing this" AND THEN GO "ehhh they're more interested in actual gaming instead of making adaptations".
We'll probably all be back here in like three years and it'll still be "I hear they're doing something"
"Disney is developing a KH movie"
"There are just rumblings and nothing has been greenlit"
These statements contradict each other ffs
Don't friggin say "Oh they're doing this" and then saying "there are just rumblings" as if you heard it around the water cooler.
Just like that tweet saying "Disney is REPORTEDLY doing this" when all you have is some guy saying "I hear they're doing this" with no proof or anything to back it up.
AND DON'T SAY "they're doing this" AND THEN GO "ehhh they're more interested in actual gaming instead of making adaptations".
We'll probably all be back here in like three years and it'll still be "I hear they're doing something"
Movies and tv shows are almost always in development before being greenlit. That part isn’t contradictory. Things like a script, story boarding, and other concept work are often done first. With tv shows, they usually even film a pilot episode. If the studio then likes what they see, they will greenlight it to actually go into full production. (Chaser can probably school us better on this topic than I can. lol.)
And Skyler seems to be saying that it is in development but the “rumblings” are whether to release it on Disney+ or in theaters.
The last part seems to reference Disney’s overall content strategy around adapting video games as that was the point of the original question. So they’re saying a KH movie is in development, but Disney doesn’t plan to start a wider effort to adapt more video games like FF, Fortnite, etc.
Ironically, water cooler type chat is how a lot of this stuff gets out. Lol
Also is DisInsider even reputable
Cuz from what I've searched...they don't seem to be.
Also is DisInsider even reputable
Cuz from what I've searched...they don't seem to be.
From what I’ve seen, they are pretty reliable when it comes to Disney productions, but not so much when it comes to the other brands like Marvel. Since this would be a Disney production, they may have legit info on it. I think it’s worth noting this one isn’t behind a paywall and it doesn’t seem they are actively trying to bait the attention of KH fans for clicks either.
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To clear up on how development works in America:
I've never pitched anything to Disney, but it's actually not uncommon for someone to do some preproduction work in order to properly pitch a series. Some projects are developed under programs where money is set aside specifically to get projects out of people the companies want to work with.
A pitchdeck will have as much work put into it as the person working on the pitch can afford. This will include a treatment/synopsis/concept art/ mood boards/ budget outlines/ proposed merchandise plans/ and any proof of concept they were able to make. This is often why things are in development hell. The higher-ups want to do something but getting everyone on board for a price they can all agree on is a timely process.
Disney has floated around the idea of a KH series/movie so many times over the past 20 years (we know of at least three for sure, with countless others having been rumored) that it's statistically improbable that at any given moment Disney isn't considering doing something with the property.
All I know is that I wouldn't want Disney to be the sole force behind the adaptation.
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He just said he heard the 4th game will release next year. Since the other comment was buried on his Discord, I guess he decided to actually put it on his Patreon.
Wish he'd be at least a bit more descriptive.
The fourth game? So Days :) (This is a joke)
:)
Apparently it's a movie for theaters?
I don't know honestly, series would work better.
Maybe this will be an original story? I can't see KH1's plot fitting in a movie but we could get something like advent children.
post-KH2/pre-DDD Sora fighting some new villain or Maleficent and teaming up with some of his summon buddies to beat them in 90 minutes
I just don't know that the market's there for a movie? 2024 KH isn't in the gaming zeitgeist the way 2006 FF7 was. Am I wrong on this? I just don't feel KH is in the conversation enough to justify a movie that presupposes an audience familiar with the source material.
I highly, HIGHLY doubt a KH movie will be an actual adaptation. It’ll more than likely be a very loose adaptation like Marvel films are to their source material/like how Mario was to the games, or (and frankly I do think this is far more likely) it’ll be a brand new narrative with a brand new cast or simply borrowing the cast and disregarding the games.
As much as I am a fan of the series/certain games’ stories, none of them really work for a film adaptation. So I’d definitely welcome something new or a loose adaptation.
If I wanted a 1:1, I’d just play the games or do Theater Mode.
I highly, HIGHLY doubt a KH movie will be an actual adaptation. It’ll more than likely be a very loose adaptation like Marvel films are to their source material/like how Mario was to the games, or (and frankly I do think this is far more likely) it’ll be a brand new narrative with a brand new cast or simply borrowing the cast and disregarding the games.
As much as I am a fan of the series/certain games’ stories, none of them really work for a film adaptation. So I’d definitely welcome something new or a loose adaptation.
If I wanted a 1:1, I’d just play the games or do Theater Mode.
A movie adaptation having a whole separate cast would actually be a bad way to go
Cuz when there are talks of a KH movie or show, a majority of people tend to think of something that stars Sora and such, and in terms of what's adapted people usually point to KH1 as it's the safest option.
Also hi I'm Squood and I like Saber
I just don't know that the market's there for a movie? 2024 KH isn't in the gaming zeitgeist the way 2006 FF7 was. Am I wrong on this? I just don't feel KH is in the conversation enough to justify a movie that presupposes an audience familiar with the source material.
The only way a KH movie will bang is if it rides the wave of (lame and generic) crossover/multiverse movies that are all the rage right now. Classic characters like Aladdin, Jack Skellington, Ariel, Hercules all coming together in the same movie to fight bad guys is all it'd take. An extreme de-emphasis of the KH trappings will also be necessary. Only Sora and the Heartless would likely remain. I don't even see Riku and Kairi being part of it.
You'd all hate it for betraying the franchise, I'd find it boring, and it'd make bank
The only way a KH movie will bang is if it rides the wave of (lame and generic) crossover/multiverse movies that are all the rage right now. Classic characters like Aladdin, Jack Skellington, Ariel, Hercules all coming together in the same movie to fight bad guys is all it'd take. An extreme de-emphasis of the KH trappings will also be necessary. Only Sora and the Heartless would likely remain. I don't even see Riku and Kairi being part of it.
You'd all hate it for betraying the franchise, I'd find it boring, and it'd make bank
It ultimately depends on how this is bein' handled, Launch.
Whether Disney is taking the reins this time around or if they still choose to leave final decisions up to Nomura to prevent any holes in the relationship that they apparently actually care about.
The only way a KH movie will bang is if it rides the wave of (lame and generic) crossover/multiverse movies that are all the rage right now. Classic characters like Aladdin, Jack Skellington, Ariel, Hercules all coming together in the same movie to fight bad guys is all it'd take. An extreme de-emphasis of the KH trappings will also be necessary. Only Sora and the Heartless would likely remain. I don't even see Riku and Kairi being part of it.
You'd all hate it for betraying the franchise, I'd find it boring, and it'd make bank
I've said it in my previous post but it wouldn't be breaking the rules if Sora uses summons. Like Simba, Genie, Stitch and Mushu are all aware of other worlds.
KH3's summons aren't really summons, they could do that and have the characters sorta appear. That would be a good way to have multiple Disney characters show up in the same scene.
Or they could always have Namine erase the memories of the movie's events if they decide to bring characters in who don't know anything about other worlds.
You know what would be funny? If the Kingdom Hearts movie gets adapted in a future Kingdom Hearts video game
If they really wanted to get back to basics and have it so that Sora vs Maleficent is the final showdown (so that it's wall to wall Disney Disney Disney) and erase / save any Xehanort / Organisation world building for sequels, then I can see them resurrecting the plotline of the Princes accompanying Sora to Hollow Bastion to rescue the Princesses.
The world hopping nature of the games doesn't translate that well to a 90 minute - 2 hour run time, so things would have to be very condensed of course. Traverse Town could be built up to house a lot of the Disney characters so it feels more alive and gets around the need for excessive world hopping (and lets more recent properties be included since there's so much more beyond Disney of 2002)
Sora and the Princes building a rebellion to Maleficent and the Disney villain gang would be, I think, the easiest way to create a Kingdom Hearts movie that sheds a lot of the baggage of the series, at least to start.
I've said it in my previous post but it wouldn't be breaking the rules if Sora uses summons. Like Simba, Genie, Stitch and Mushu are all aware of other worlds.
You'd be surprised how quickly any previously established rules will vanish as soon as Kingdom Hearts is a viable movie where all the Disney characters can appear together, make quips, and have action sequences. The stage is already set for it. Crossover movies are huge. Video game movies are huge. Multiverse stories are huge. Disney will move exactly how they want to.
Yeah I don't think there's any point in guessing what they'd do based on the actual contents of the games. I'm sure there'd be some stuff taken from the games, and maybe some references for fans, but even a good movie wouldn't be beholden to following any particular plan. The market for such a movie would be vastly bigger than the game fanbase (at least in theory), and they'd work from that idea first. The relationship to the games is barely relevant in such a scenario.
Unless Disney did just fund Nomura to do an Advent Children, but that seems much less likely for Disney executives to come up with on their own, so I'm assuming it's not something like that for now.
Yeah I don't think there's any point in guessing what they'd do based on the actual contents of the games. I'm sure there'd be some stuff taken from the games, and maybe some references for fans, but even a good movie wouldn't be beholden to following any particular plan. The market for such a movie would be vastly bigger than the game fanbase (at least in theory), and they'd work from that idea first. The relationship to the games is barely relevant in such a scenario.
A thousand percent.
And if successful, game fans should accept that CoM, Days, and Coded would be skipped (though I don't think anyone wouldn't be upset about this), and other game stories (BBS, DDD, 0.2) could be condensed or omitted.
It'll all be re-written, characters removed, motivations and arcs changed etc etc.
Honestly why do a movie and not just a show ffs.
KH, especially a KH adaptation, fits the mold of an anime/cartoon show better than a film.
Honestly why do a movie and not just a show ffs.
KH, especially a KH adaptation, fits the mold of an anime/cartoon show better than a film.
There's nothing competitive or profitable about making a show. For how expensive it'd be to produce, a series wouldn't drive too many Disney plus subs, and it'd probably only cater to KH fans who are already dug-in with the series. A movie can be its own whole thing pulling in a broader audience with the promise of crossover action and Disney schmaltz.
The last part seems to reference Disney’s overall content strategy around adapting video games as that was the point of the original question. So they’re saying a KH movie is in development, but Disney doesn’t plan to start a wider effort to adapt more video games like FF, Fortnite, etc.
That is something that didn't occur to me before: Video game adaptations (that don't suck) is the new big thing with Hollywood atm & Disney needs a new big thing with Marvel & their own films flailing. Makes perfect sense an exec would eye the 1 big video game property they have in their vault to cash in.
Well, aside from KOTOR & a few other Star Wars games anyway.
You'd be surprised how quickly any previously established rules will vanish as soon as Kingdom Hearts is a viable movie where all the Disney characters can appear together, make quips, and have action sequences. The stage is already set for it. Crossover movies are huge. Video game movies are huge. Multiverse stories are huge. Disney will move exactly how they want to. |
There's always been the stench of BS when it came to Disney's restrictions. House of Mouse was airing around the same time as KH1 & it didn't have any problem doing whatever it wanted with past Disney characters. & in more recent history we have the princesses in Wreck-it Ralph 2, with C-3PO greeting them.
There's nothing competitive or profitable about making a show. For how expensive it'd be to produce, a series wouldn't drive too many Disney plus subs, and it'd probably only cater to KH fans who are already dug-in with the series. A movie can be its own whole thing pulling in a broader audience with the promise of crossover action and Disney schmaltz.
Eugh...yeah, if that means that I think it means I prolly won't watch it.
There's always been the stench of BS when it came to Disney's restrictions. House of Mouse was airing around the same time as KH1 & it didn't have any problem doing whatever it wanted with past Disney characters. & in more recent history we have the princesses in Wreck-it Ralph 2, with C-3PO greeting them.
Disney doesn't have any problem at all with their characters intermingling, referencing each other, what have you. I mean.. fucking Disney World, dude, it's all over the place. Their issue with Kingdom Hearts is the high amount of overseas correspondence, if I were to guess. Why spend so much time going back and forth on the particulars of more integrated crossover pieces when it saves so much time to keep all the properties tidy and confined to their own spaces? For the development pipeline, I'm sure it's a lot more convenient.
Honestly why do a movie and not just a show ffs.
KH, especially a KH adaptation, fits the mold of an anime/cartoon show better than a film.
If a film were to be a hit, it could help fund more content for both the theatrical space and Disney+. If they start with the show, the growth potential is pretty limited. I think is the same logic Paramount is using with their revival of the animated Avatar franchise. Start with a film. Then if that’s successful, you expand it into its own cinematic universe across film and tv.
A successful film would also make it more likely for KH to get more of a presence in the Disney parks, which is something fans have wanted to see for a long time.
There are pros and cons whichever way they go. But I wouldn’t be mad at a film if they have to take some creative liberties, but still keep it true to the spirit of the game.
I'd prefer a series as well over a film, tbh. There are benefits for a film financially as others have mentioned, but quality wise I'm less confident with a film.
Disney hasn't exactly had a good streak of films lately either...my brain is bein' cynical again and is imagining that they don't actually wanna do a KH movie but rather another "shove all our properties onto the big screen together" movie with a flimsy KH coat of paint.
To make money of course, cuz big capitalist megacorp want the cash.
I'm not too concerned because my hopes aren't that high either way, lol. The je nais se quois of Kingdom Hearts is the first-hand player experience of traveling to Disney worlds, fighting the bad guys, and hanging out with Donald Duck. Strip that interactivity away, and you've stripped away my personal investment anyway. The movie/show is just a thing to watch and then walk away from, knowing it has no bearing on the experiences that hold the most value to me.
People become too inundated in takes, discourse, what isn't in the movie, the movie being typical corny modern Disney shit... I can definitely understand and empathize with people not wanting this movie to bastardize their baby, but it's not like it'll overwrite whatever your favorite KH game is. I just think it'd do you all some good to make peace with the possibility that Xion, Eraqus, Urd, and Nameless Star will be omitted and unmentioned in the flick.
I'm not too concerned because my hopes aren't that high either way, lol. The je nais se quois of Kingdom Hearts is the first-hand player experience of traveling to Disney worlds, fighting the bad guys, and hanging out with Donald Duck. Strip that interactivity away, and you've stripped away my personal investment anyway. The movie/show is just a thing to watch and then walk away from, knowing it has no bearing on the experiences that hold the most value to me.
People become too inundated in takes, discourse, what isn't in the movie, the movie being typical corny modern Disney shit... I can definitely understand and empathize with people not wanting this movie to bastardize their baby, but it's not like it'll overwrite whatever your favorite KH game is. I just think it'd do you all some good to make peace with the possibility that Xion, Eraqus, Urd, and Nameless Star will be omitted and unmentioned in the flick.
That's a good point. I want to say I'm not likely to like any KH adaptation into a non video game video, but honestly... I don't think I'd like any adaptation for any series I'm a fan of. I have no interest in the LoZ movie, had no interest in the Warcraft movie, would have no interest in a Fire Emblem movie, Mass Effect movie, etc. The only exception are properties where I'm already engaged with multiple things at the same time, like liking the Pokemon games and anime at the same time, or the galaxy that is the Sonic franchise.
So hopefully if it does end up happening, it's full of soul and charm and somebody likes it. And hey, if it's aimed at little kids, I might watch it with my daughter!
(I don't have any faith that Disney can give it any soul because I don't think Disney likes KH, but maybe that's my cynicism talking)
I prolly won't watch it if my worries prove true and it is just "Disney Avengers but Disney" with Sora stapled onto it.
Given how much Disney seems to fear/respect Tetsuya Nomura, the most likely thing -- in my mind -- that could get past the development phase is an original feature-length film like Kingsglaive or Advent Children that has a very limited theatrical release. Something done for promotion and prestige that will never be expected to break bank like Mario did.
You'd be surprised how easy it would be to theatrically release it on a small scale but I'm not at all confident that it would do well. Still -- the concerts seem to do well, the games do well. It really is up in the air.
The implication that Disney fears Nomura is funny to me
It's going to be wild when they add a KH world to KH5!
The idea of having a theatrical movie feels like a double-edged sword to me.
On one hand, if it's a movie in theaters there's no way that it's just a limited thing that Disney won't pay much attention to. They were terrified of crossovers for so long, there's no way they would allow the first crossover-focused Disney movie to be something that SE does on the down-low. There are expectations and standards for Disney animated movies, Disney's first big crossover not meeting them would be unacceptable.
But on the other hand, Kingdom Hearts games have a successful formula of being episodic. To the point where it's kind of crazy to even consider doing a movie over a series. Exploring new worlds is a core part of the series identity, but a movie's runtime would only allow for either a few minutes in each world, or only a few worlds. It would be a really difficult balance to strike.
I suspect that this was inspired by the recent trend of actually good video game movies (especially Mario) and the positive reception of the Princess crossover in Ralph Breaks the Internet.
I.... have a bad feeling about this, lol. If it really is something Disney is treating as a big theatrical release, I have a hard time imagining it'd be something they'd see eye-to-eye with Nomura and CBU1 on. Kinda makes me wonder if this could be what last year's notorious “there was something that happened that determined the direction of the KH series" Nomura comment was about. Unless Nomura is sold on the Super Mario/Sonic-ification of the franchise for the sake of a family friendly blockbuster movie adaptation to draw in a fresh audience for KH4..... who knows.
This whole thing is really driving home how badly we are in need of something official KH news-wise, though. I've always been more of an optimist about the series and even I'm finding my confidence somewhat shaken of late about the franchise's future. I'm sure all that will disappear once I see a new KH4 trailer.
I.... have a bad feeling about this, lol. If it really is something Disney is treating as a big theatrical release, I have a hard time imagining it'd be something they'd see eye-to-eye with Nomura and CBU1 on. Kinda makes me wonder if this could be what last year's notorious “there was something that happened that determined the direction of the KH series" Nomura comment was about. Unless Nomura is sold on the Super Mario/Sonic-ification of the franchise for the sake of a family friendly blockbuster movie adaptation to draw in a fresh audience for KH4..... who knows.
This whole thing is really driving home how badly we are in need of something official KH news-wise, though. I've always been more of an optimist about the series and even I'm finding my confidence somewhat shaken of late about the franchise's future. I'm sure all that will disappear once I see a new KH4 trailer.
Not to mention that even Nomura himself has trouble thinking of how a legitimate KH movie would work/be handled.
I.... have a bad feeling about this, lol. If it really is something Disney is treating as a big theatrical release, I have a hard time imagining it'd be something they'd see eye-to-eye with Nomura and CBU1 on. Kinda makes me wonder if this could be what last year's notorious “there was something that happened that determined the direction of the KH series" Nomura comment was about. Unless Nomura is sold on the Super Mario/Sonic-ification of the franchise for the sake of a family friendly blockbuster movie adaptation to draw in a fresh audience for KH4..... who knows.
This whole thing is really driving home how badly we are in need of something official KH news-wise, though. I've always been more of an optimist about the series and even I'm finding my confidence somewhat shaken of late about the franchise's future. I'm sure all that will disappear once I see a new KH4 trailer.
I've heard the argument that SE is keeping their cards close to their chest and only revealing things close to release. I believe it, I suppose. I'm not in marketing or advertising, but you can't tell me that this news drought isn't doing damage to the brand. YouTube channels and podcasts stop producing KH content one by one and either go dark or pivot. Say the game released late 2025, and we start getting real news early 2025. Is the market for this game even there anymore? We need something, anything.
Say the game released late 2025, and we start getting real news early 2025. Is the market for this game even there anymore? We need something, anything.
Star Wars is in. They're not worried about having lost a market when they've got those fans at the ready.
Star Wars fans are the most cynical and hard to please people on the planet. They will reject this even faster than the sequel trilogy.
You think there isn't a big part of that fanbase that won't show up day 1 for something with the Star Wars name attached to it?
And hell, if cynical and hard to please people were a problem, then everyone commenting in this thread wouldn't buy the game xD
I've heard the argument that SE is keeping their cards close to their chest and only revealing things close to release. I believe it, I suppose. I'm not in marketing or advertising, but you can't tell me that this news drought isn't doing damage to the brand. YouTube channels and podcasts stop producing KH content one by one and either go dark or pivot. Say the game released late 2025, and we start getting real news early 2025. Is the market for this game even there anymore? We need something, anything.
This is the same series where people acted as if KH3 was in development hell before it was even announced.
Two years is nothing even if it feels grueling.
Most Star Wars fans are already refusing to buy Star Wars: Outlaws because it has a female protagonist. Maybe referring to them as cynical was being kind because most of them are just hateful and mean spirited.
Is this an official survey from fans or is it from an echo chamber on Twitter where bots and fake accounts amplify sexist rhetoric? And not all Star Wars fans are like those blue checks on Twitter who find spewing alt-right ideology gets them a bigger pay cheque.
To me, Star Wars Outlaws looks great but I'd wait for sales numbers before using it as an example.
But I'm worried you've missed my original point. Any one who moved on from Kingdom Hearts because 3 was an ending to them should be offset by fans of the other IPs, such as Star Wars, buying into the game out of curiosity, of which there are a lot of these people who do this. I find it's like how some Marvel fans go to see a movie with a hero they might not be fond of because it crosses over with a hero they are fond of.
If I wasn't a Kingdom Hearts fan and I saw Tangled and Big Hero 6 were going to be in a video game in 2019, I'd have bought it just for that.
Star Wars fans are the most cynical and hard to please people on the planet. They will reject this even faster than the sequel trilogy.
The entire sequel trilogy that's in the top 40 highest grossing movies of all time, you mean? If they "reject" it like they rejected that, this is gonna be the most successful video game in history!
The entire sequel trilogy that's in the top 40 highest grossing movies of all time, you mean? If they "reject" it like they rejected that, this is gonna be the most successful video game in history!
Not to mention that that trilogy is getting a sequel with Rey (<3).
But let's get back to the topic at hand, a hypothetical movie or TV show for Kingdom Hearts.
Guys, the only ones worried about KH are us fans. The rest of the world goes on with their lives and don't even remember that KH4 was announced.
What would really hurt the brand is to show things when they are not ready yet, just because we, the desperate fans, the ones who are going to be there no matter what, how and when, want more KH.
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I see a lot of debate about what the movie should be about so people would be interested and watch it.
Let's analyze it:
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[*]You're a KH fan: You are a KH fan. You will watch the movie.
[*]You're a "true" KH fan: Your favorite KH is KH2. Your favorite game is KH2. Anything other than KH2 is trash, including KH. You will watch the movie, just so you can tell everyone how trash it is.
[*]You're not a KH fan: You watch a trailer with cool anime character, fighting alongside your favorite Disney characters, with an epic soundtrack and amazing CGI. You will watch the movie.
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Answer:
The movie has to be canon, Nomura has to be involved and, above all, it has to be of the same quality as the rest of the Disney movies and video game adaptations. No-fans won't care if it's a retelling, sequel, prequel, spin-off or whatever.
Not to mention that even Nomura himself has trouble thinking of how a legitimate KH movie would work/be handled.
To be fair, movies aren't exactly Nomura's forte. He's fantastic when directing games, but movies are an entirely different medium. That's why his name is associated with so many classic games, but Advent Children and Back Cover are um... well...
Disney has many of the top creative minds on the planet when it comes to adapting stories to the big screen. They have the talent to pull it off, but will that talent be working on the movie? And is that talent familiar enough with the franchise to know what's okay to cut and what's essential to keep? It could work out if the right people are working on it, but that's a pretty big if.
I suppose the real question is, is this movie in the works because someone with a vision is pushing it? Or is this movie in the works because Disney is after the crossover and video game movie money and it makes sense to adapt a successful IP they already own? We all know it's the latter, but hopefully it's also the former.
Guys, the only ones worried about KH are us fans. The rest of the world goes on with their lives and don't even remember that KH4 was announced.
What would really hurt the brand is to show things when they are not ready yet, just because we, the desperate fans, the ones who are going to be there no matter what, how and when, want more KH.
Yeah. That's just how gamin be, even when you're a real big franchise sometimes. Most people don't exactly focus on the current status of franchises.
Also I just realized I broke past 3000 posts a while ago yet haven't switched to silver lol
The movie has to be canon, Nomura has to be involved and, above all, it has to be of the same quality as the rest of the Disney movies and video game adaptations. No-fans won't care if it's a retelling, sequel, prequel, spin-off or whatever.
Even if it's a retelling, Nomura can be like "this is another worldline" and then have it be relevant in a future KH game :)
Whatever the case I think this is going to be the first movie I see in theaters since Deadpool 1 came out.
You're a "true" KH fan: Your favorite KH is KH2. Your favorite game is KH2. Anything other than KH2 is trash, including KH.
Why you gotta call me out like that
it's pretty crazy how a while back I felt like KH was experiencing a definitive decline in global popularity-- not washed, or over, or anything like that, just not growing. I thought their only shot at a popularity boom with 4 was to pump budget into a kickass Vader fight and shill it everywhere in the lead up to release. I guess Disney wants to make sure that KH continues to grow, which is pretty cool!
Does make me curious to see if they plan on doing something new to help expand the lore or if this might be an adaptation of the first game (but heavily truncated with various worlds removed).
To be honest, I think the biggest draw here is getting Maleficent, Jafar, Hades, Hook, Ursula and Oogie together to plot, riff, and get mad at each other. That in and of itself is a stickier and more pliable premise than anything else they could come up with. That kind of thing will go viral in no time.
I'll forgive them for potentially gutting everything else unique to KH outside of Sora, the Keyblafe, and the heartless if it means we can get our campy shit talking villain league. Disney's rogues gallery has gone underused in any form of media for a while, and they're due for a refresh into the public consciousness.
To be honest, I think the biggest draw here is getting Maleficent, Jafar, Hades, Hook, Ursula and Oogie together to plot, riff, and get mad at each other. That in and of itself is a stickier and more pliable premise than anything else they could come up with. That kind of thing will go viral in no time.
I'll forgive them for potentially gutting everything else unique to KH outside of Sora, the Keyblafe, and the heartless if it means we can get our campy shit talking villain league. Disney's rogues gallery has gone underused in any form of media for a while, and they're due for a refresh into the public consciousness.
I mean in that case they might as well reboot House of Mouse and do House of Villains again
I mean in that case they might as well reboot House of Mouse and do House of Villains again
For whatever reason they've got a weird thing about House of Mouse. It's not even available to stream. I didn't really care for it, thought the jokes were lame and the stories were unfunny and uninteresting, but I don't see why they had to go and bury it, lol.
And the reason to do this with KH as opposed to some kind of House of Mouse reboot is that video game movies are way in right now. They're probably overestimating the appeal of Kingdom Hearts vs Sonic or Mario, but the sudden emergence of a KH Movie has everything to do with that trend. A hit movie could drive game sales, which drives merch sales, which funds more movies and games, etcetera. A House of Mouse reboot is more of a closed loop, could be neat and go viral, but lacks the franchise-y synchronicity that Disney is so horny about right now.
a kh movie that uses its Disney IPs the way launchpad is saying would easily get people in those seats. whether the movie is good/has legs to maintain a box office afterward is up to the quality of the movie, but actually focusing on the disney side of things would be vastly more appealing to a mainstream audience. ESPECIALLY with the classic villains back.
the live action films have been more or less successful, but after remakes hollywood usually does requels. while kh is in no way a requel of anything disney, if you follow that formula and you bring back the old versions of disney heroes and villains that people know and love for the big screen, well… i can see why they’re probably pushing for kh to be the next cash cow.
the only thing i’m less certain they’ll commit to is the princesses of light. with how disney has gone out of its way in the last decade to “correct” how its handled its classic female protags, do we think they would do a movie where most of them are kidnapped and then just unconscious for most of the runtime? unless they spruce up the scene where they’re holding back the darkness at hollow bastion afterward, i’m curious to see what they might do there.
I like how everyone here is hotly debating whether or not Disney will greenlight a movie (after all, they or Nomura don't really like making merchandise of the franchise) when we already have three KH movies.
Well, to call them coherent movies is a bit of a stretch, but they're longer than an hour.
I like how everyone here is hotly debating whether or not Disney will greenlight a movie (after all, they or Nomura don't really like making merchandise of the franchise) when we already have three KH movies.
Well, to call them coherent movies is a bit of a stretch, but they're longer than an hour.
Those KH movies are parts of game packages developed by SE, and you know full-well that a Disney-produced feature isn't the same thing as Square packing cutscenes and cinematics as new material from in-game assets. (Back Cover is a slightly different case, but it's also incredibly short and doesn't quite make it to an hour in length)
Moreover, Disney has no issue merchandising Kingdom Hearts -- they just can't. One of the old staff members will have to corroborate this, but SE has a larger merchandise stake in the series and Disney doesn't push for much outside of what Square makes because, again, they don't want to piss off Nomura. These projects, including Seth Kearsley's pilot, don't go very far because Nomura's approval or lack-there-of stops them dead in their tracks.
We know this happened with the animates series, we know this is why it took so long for Sora to get into Smash, and we have good reason to believe that Nomura shut down a young adult novel series about KH a few years ago. I wasn't kidding or being hyperbolic, Disney doesn't want to go against Tetsuya Nomura's wishes, even though they own the IP outright.
Those KH movies are parts of game packages developed by SE, and you know full-well that a Disney-produced feature isn't the same thing as Square packing cutscenes and cinematics as new material from in-game assets. (Back Cover is a slightly different case, but it's also incredibly short and doesn't quite make it to an hour in length)
Moreover, Disney has no issue merchandising Kingdom Hearts -- they just can't. One of the old staff members will have to corroborate this, but SE has a larger merchandise stake in the series and Disney doesn't push for much outside of what Square makes because, again, they don't want to piss off Nomura. These projects, including Seth Kearsley's pilot, don't go very far because Nomura's approval or lack-there-of stops them dead in their tracks.
We know this happened with the animates series, we know this is why it took so long for Sora to get into Smash, and we have good reason to believe that Nomura shut down a young adult novel series about KH a few years ago. I wasn't kidding or being hyperbolic, Disney doesn't want to go against Tetsuya Nomura's wishes, even though they own the IP outright.
This is why I sometimes joke that technically Nomura owns the series since it's usually his word that's final.
It sounds like it's lose-lose. Disney doesn't want to piss of Nomura so won't do very much, but SE doesn't actually own the IP and won't do very much either. And Nomura, the King Mickey of the series, is being pulled all the time to help with non-KH projects, so the throne sits vacant.
Those KH movies are parts of game packages developed by SE, and you know full-well that a Disney-produced feature isn't the same thing as Square packing cutscenes and cinematics as new material from in-game assets. (Back Cover is a slightly different case, but it's also incredibly short and doesn't quite make it to an hour in length)
Moreover, Disney has no issue merchandising Kingdom Hearts -- they just can't. One of the old staff members will have to corroborate this, but SE has a larger merchandise stake in the series and Disney doesn't push for much outside of what Square makes because, again, they don't want to piss off Nomura. These projects, including Seth Kearsley's pilot, don't go very far because Nomura's approval or lack-there-of stops them dead in their tracks.
We know this happened with the animates series, we know this is why it took so long for Sora to get into Smash, and we have good reason to believe that Nomura shut down a young adult novel series about KH a few years ago. I wasn't kidding or being hyperbolic, Disney doesn't want to go against Tetsuya Nomura's wishes, even though they own the IP outright.
Then if Nomura's the main issue with us not getting any of the cool $%#^, what happens when he croaks?
Then if Nomura's the main issue with us not getting any of the cool $%#^, what happens when he croaks?
hi, this is one of the most fucking insane things i've ever seen someone say with their full chest on this forum.
ok now I hope he’s bullshitting.
That's my monkey paw nightmare scenario.
KH movie with Disney old villains!
*monkey paw curls*
It's the live action part of Disney, though
That's my monkey paw nightmare scenario.
KH movie with Disney old villains!
*monkey paw curls*
It's the live action part of Disney, though
Like would Sora be live action in the original worlds, but CGI in the Disney worlds? Or would he be dropping into the live action remakes with CGI Donald and Goofy? Honestly it would be so divorced from KH, there may not even be Disney worlds. Just original ones with the characters showing up in places like Traverse Town in a Once Upon a Time situation.
Pretending it’s real (which I think he’s just screwing with us now), I wonder if they might convince Jon Favreau to direct it since he spent so long trying to get the Magic Kingdoms project off the ground.
EDIT: It’s also sus that he didn’t it was a film last week but suddenly knows it’s a live action/cgi hybrid movie.
ok now I hope he’s bullshitting.
live action hybrid
Okay, now I'm definitely excited. Strapping in for full Kingdom Hearts cringe with my popcorn and my girlfriend
Like would Sora be live action in the original worlds, but CGI in the Disney worlds?
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I’m ready ?
Nothing says "let's make a franchise about a 14-16 year old boy" like live-action. Brilliant decision, Disney Overlords.
Nothing says "let's make a franchise about a 14-16 year old boy" like live-action. Brilliant decision, Disney Overlords.
Scarlett Johansson is about to play the role of a lifetime.
I think it's shocking you because in your head you've already got the idea that it's going to be an adaptation.
But, what if...
Kingdom Hearts: Verum Rex
Unreality - Live Action
Reality - CGI
Since the KH4 trailer, there are many who believe that the worlds are going to be from live-action adaptations/remakes like Aladdin, The Little Mermaid, Maleficent, etc, because Quadratum is based on the real world.
I know, you want Verum Rex to be a game. So do I. But either another team develops it (Which one? They're all busy) or KH5 comes out in +2035.
ok now I hope he’s bullshitting.
Okay yeah fuck off with this. Disney either makes mid CG films nowadays or crap live action films nowadays.
KH does not fit ACTUAL live action.
Also I do NOT see Unreality as being live action. I see it as just...hey look, it's more realistic lookin' japanese video game like the recent FFs and da Yakoozas and the Tekken 8s
If it's a kh1 retelling, I guess they'll get live action actors to play the live action counterparts?
Sora meets Will Smtih-Genie
Weren't there some rumors that this would be live action back when this was supposed to be a series? I don't think they gained much traction because the concept of live action Kingdom Hearts just doesn't fit. And yet...
The only reason I could see for going with live action over animated would be to get the actors from the live action remakes involved. But it still seems like more trouble than it's worth to me. Kingdom Hearts is not big enough that a bunch of Hollywood actors would coordinate their schedules to make it work.
I dunno..."Live Action KH Movie" just reeks of soulless corporate money-chasing in response to the Sonic movie.
Also I'm kinda annoyed that this guy only said ONE thing about KH4 which might as well be a guess but keeps getting more scoops about this movie.
pretty excited for even Sora himself to be omitted in favor of hard ass no-fun ex-military beat cop Brett Michaels (Caucasian) who learns how to connect with his son Tommy Michaels (Caucasian also) after getting sucked into the Disney dimension.
"A-hyuck, you gotta use the Keyblade, Brett!"
"Key-blade? Well which is it, a key or a blade? It doesn't make sense."
"Gawrsh, well, uh.. I s'pose it's both!"
"What's this thing gonna do to the enemy? Unlock their porch door? Can I get something useful please?"
"Oh boy, this is gonna be a long adventure, isn't it?"
Follow the adventures of Sam, Rick and Karen as they navigate their Gummi Ship to different Disney World, while also trying to navigate high school!
pretty excited for even Sora himself to be omitted in favor of hard ass no-fun ex-military beat cop Brett Michaels (Caucasian) who learns how to connect with his son Tommy Michaels (Caucasian also) after getting sucked into the Disney dimension.
"A-hyuck, you gotta use the Keyblade, Brett!"
"Key-blade? Well which is it, a key or a blade? It doesn't make sense."
"Gawrsh, well, uh.. I s'pose it's both!"
"What's this thing gonna do to the enemy? Unlock their porch door? Can I get something useful please?"
"Oh boy, this is gonna be a long adventure, isn't it?"
HE'S RIGHT BEHIND ME, ISN'T HE
ok now I hope he’s bullshitting.
So basically like every live action film already. Guess they're going the Avengers-but-with-the-remakes route after all.
DanielRPK keeps singin bout this movie and Midori is more occupied talkin bout Square dev team names
Honestly, if the film is hypothetically an original story instead of trying to adapt KH1, I could be a little more open to it being live action.
Weren't there some rumors that this would be live action back when this was supposed to be a series? I don't think they gained much traction because the concept of live action Kingdom Hearts just doesn't fit. And yet...
Yeah, they did. And now I believe that this guy is just spinning old wheels for clout.
The Kingdom Hearts film has found its director:
Haha get it cuz Kingdom and Heart KH fans are funny really
The Kingdom Hearts film has found its director:
The Kingdom Hearts film has found its director:
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Hahahahaha what a funny story Sora
Ok, 154k followers.
Who is this and why should we trust them?
I've seen them pop up a lot. They're hit or miss as well.
Ok, 154k followers.
Who is this and why should we trust them?
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Yeah this person is definitely not reliable ?
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Yeah this person is definitely not reliable ?
It’s possible this group was in talks but they broke down, especially with the SAG/WGA strikes around that time. There were several scoopers around that time saying the same thing. There’s always going to be the possibility that things could change. I think DanielRPK was one of those people claiming this and he ended up accurately leaking that Pedro was cast shortly before the trades announced it.
But because things do change, they can also use that as an excuse when they just make up guesses that don’t pan out. So it’s best to always just take them with a grain of salt and not take it too seriously.
Ok, 154k followers.
Who is this and why should we trust them?
Disney: Where we take a game series which is not only a combination of two franchises but also basically a combination of two types of animation and throw all that shit out in favor of L I V E A C T I O N.
Fuck off, I'd rather have a KH film entirely in Advent Children's artstyle.
I'm late to the rumors of a live action Kingdom Hearts movie. Really? Live action? If that's true I hope it's just an original story idea with the lore of Keyblades and Heartless. I'm hoping it's not a retelling of KH1.
Either way this is either going to be really good or really bad. I don't see a in between here. But it will be amusing watching the fanbase during this period.
This is going to end up being our Dragon Ball Evolution huh
Starting to hope this gets shot down lol
Starting to hope this gets shot down lol
You never know, this could be Disney intentionally leaking the idea to see how fans react and gauge interest in the idea. ?
I certainly hope this rumor is wrong, but the more I think about it the more it makes (bad) sense from some points of view.
First of all, some executives will avoid animation whenever possible. For an example look at the Dragon's Lair movie Netflix is supposed to be working on. It's a video game series primarily known for its 2D animation. It was being pitched by Don Bluth, one of the most significant figures in American animation since Walt. And a Netflix executive said "We'll take it! But make it live action. And get Ryan Reynolds to sign a deal to star in it!"
And if it's not animated there's no question of whether or not it's in the Disney Animated Canon, which may make it easier to get around the crossover wariness. Being in a different medium makes it clearer that this movie may involve versions of Hercules, Aladdin, Ariel, Peter Pan, etc., but they're not the true core versions of the characters.
And of course, not being part of the Canon leaves a lot more room for failure. If a live action Kingdom Hearts movie flops it's just another bad video game movie, join the club. If a Kingdom Hearts movie is released as part of the Animated Canon and it's a bad flop that makes it a permanent stain on Disney's legacy.
Also, live action movies can have a runtime of two hours or more while animated moves tend to only be around ninety minutes. Having a 33% longer runtime can be appealing when you're trying to adapt a twenty hour episodic game.
So from a certain point of view live action may feel like a safer bet than animation. (Even if it only takes a few more moments of thinking to realize that Kingdom Hearts is a celebration of Disney's animated history and trying to turn it into a live action movie creates way more problems than it solves.)
This is going to end up being our Dragon Ball Evolution huh
My thoughts exactly ?
This is going to end up being our Dragon Ball Evolution huh
Worse. Our M Night Shyamalan's The Last Airbender.
hi, this is one of the most fucking insane things i've ever seen someone say with their full chest on this forum.
You're welcome, late to the party but you know what? it had to be said. If he's the one getting in the way of progress and merch, then when he goes what happens then?
Not necessarily, it's Disney, they'll keep the franchise going as long as it makes money
I'm sure if Square Enix cut ties with Kingdom Hearts & Disney, Disney will continue the series using another developer but at the cost at anything Final Fantasy related in KH
I don't think that's the same work in any real sense, though. Just a company executing their legal right to put a name that they "own" onto things.
I know that's good enough for most people, but like, literally that's all it is.
You're welcome, late to the party but you know what? it had to be said. If he's the one getting in the way of progress and merch, then when he goes what happens then?
If FF continued on without Hironobu Sakaguchi, KH can & will move on from Nomura.
Hopefully it doesn't happen anytime soon but I'd personally stop playing the series if Nomura wasn't involved anymore because any reason
Now back on topic, I am wondering if Nomura will have any involvement in this film and if FF characters will show up at all. If it's retelling KH1, would it not have Leon & Co.?
But imagine Live Action FF7 and 8 characters lol, they'd probably use a western cast so it's going to look so goofy.
Worse. Our M Night Shyamalan's The Last Airbender.
wash your mouth out with soap!!
You're welcome, late to the party but you know what? it had to be said. If he's the one getting in the way of progress and merch, then when he goes what happens then?
Omg he's getting in the way of merch, I hope he dies soooon
You're welcome, late to the party but you know what? it had to be said. If he's the one getting in the way of progress and merch, then when he goes what happens then?
I don't consider that sort of thing progress. More like, capitalism and consumer culture eventually destroying everything I hold dear.
So. Um. Back to talking about the movie.
I guess it would be possible to strip down and summarize KH1 to the point that there are only a few Disney worlds: Wonderland, Agrabah, Neverland, and arguably Monstro (depending on how much of Riku's arc is preserved.) This list is a bit Golden/Silver Age-heavy, so I could see Wonderland being swapped out for a newer princess world. Monstro might also be substituted for something else because "Fantastic Voyage" type plots work better as game levels than movie subplots.
The rumor specifically said that that this movie is going to be a live action/CGI hybrid, so I've seen people speculate that the division is going to be world-based, with the KH worlds being live action and the Disney worlds being CGI animation. That could be interesting, but it would be better if they fully committed to the hybrid idea. Yes, have the 3D animated movies be represented by CGI, but use 2D animation for the traditionally animated movies, and use stop motion if Halloweentown makes it in. But this would take a lot more effort than just having everything in one medium, so I don't know if they'd actually do it.
I don't know how they'd do Donald and Goofy in live action. That sounds kind of, well, goofy.
So. Um. Back to talking about the movie.
I guess it would be possible to strip down and summarize KH1 to the point that there are only a few Disney worlds: Wonderland, Agrabah, Neverland, and arguably Monstro (depending on how much of Riku's arc is preserved.) This list is a bit Golden/Silver Age-heavy, so I could see Wonderland being swapped out for a newer princess world. Monstro might also be substituted for something else because "Fantastic Voyage" type plots work better as game levels than movie subplots.
The rumor specifically said that that this movie is going to be a live action/CGI hybrid, so I've seen people speculate that the division is going to be world-based, with the KH worlds being live action and the Disney worlds being CGI animation. That could be interesting, but it would be better if they fully committed to the hybrid idea. Yes, have the 3D animated movies be represented by CGI, but use 2D animation for the traditionally animated movies, and use stop motion if Halloweentown makes it in. But this would take a lot more effort than just having everything in one medium, so I don't know if they'd actually do it.
I don't know how they'd do Donald and Goofy in live action. That sounds kind of, well, goofy.
Most of the Disney worlds would likely have to limited to glorified cameos while maybe the main characters of each come along with Sora on his quest.
Something that always comes to my mind when it comes to adapting video games to other media is that the general level-to-level pacing of your typical game better suits the episodic structure of TV better than it would to film. Like an example that often comes to my mind was that 1st Tomb Raider, which Lara Croft hunting for McGuffin triangle artifact thingie that's been split into 2 halves in 2 different parts of the world. Like you know darn if the film's plot was an actual game said artifact would instead be split between 5-8 pieces & the player would have to go to that many [S]dungeons[/S] ancient temple ruins. But they had to cut that number down to fit the run time.
Or how about FF Spirits Within (my apologies for reminding everyone of that film's existence). Which had 8 Gaia Spirits plot coupons with 5 of them already been found before the film started.
More recently we got the Mario movie, where Mario's journey across the lands that would be 99% of any given game is done in a single montage.
I don't consider that sort of thing progress. More like, capitalism and consumer culture eventually destroying everything I hold dear.
Is it a crime to wish for more merchandise? is it so bad for more love to be shown to the series that brought us all here? KH is in a weird position for a Disney owned property, it's highly praised yet receives very little spotlight compared to other ventures. I tasked two of my coworkers who were going to Disney World to do one thing for me, find evidence of official KH merch in the park. Only one of the two succeeded and found a phone case at Epcot. They went to all the parks and THAT was the only thing any of them could find. That is sad.
Maybe you do have a point in that if it were to grow to the level of commercialism that say, Frozen did it would be bad. But it would likely make it more prominent in the public zeitgeist and might allow it to get the same treatment that Star Wars has in Disney parks, like Galaxy's edge.
Is it a crime to wish for more merchandise? is it so bad for more love to be shown to the series that brought us all here?
At the expense of the life of the creator? Um... YES??????
But that is the perfect metaphor for the very concept of a "franchise" or "brand" and how that only makes sense in an ultra-capitalistic mindset, I suppose.
Is it a crime to wish for more merchandise? is it so bad for more love to be shown to the series that brought us all here?
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were just being bombastic, but flippantly daydreaming about the death of the sole creator of the thing you claim to love so that you can... get more merch is fucking crazy, dude. You aren't making any coherent point here. Your friends couldn't find KH shit at Disney World, so it'd be sweet if Nomura could die so that they'd put more KH shit at Disney World?
Is there a fuckin gas leak in here or something
Is it a crime to wish for more merchandise? is it so bad for more love to be shown to the series that brought us all here? KH is in a weird position for a Disney owned property, it's highly praised yet receives very little spotlight compared to other ventures. I tasked two of my coworkers who were going to Disney World to do one thing for me, find evidence of official KH merch in the park. Only one of the two succeeded and found a phone case at Epcot. They went to all the parks and THAT was the only thing any of them could find. That is sad.
Maybe you do have a point in that if it were to grow to the level of commercialism that say, Frozen did it would be bad. But it would likely make it more prominent in the public zeitgeist and might allow it to get the same treatment that Star Wars has in Disney parks, like Galaxy's edge.
I mean...you did basically frame all this with the hypothetical that it could all happen when Nomura's fucking dead and "not getting in the way of progress/cool shit"
Progress and cool shit for KH fans: Foam keyblade at disney world
NOT progress and cool shit for KH fans: the coninuation of the Kingdom Hearts series
Is it a crime to wish for more merchandise? is it so bad for more love to be shown to the series that brought us all here? KH is in a weird position for a Disney owned property, it's highly praised yet receives very little spotlight compared to other ventures. I tasked two of my coworkers who were going to Disney World to do one thing for me, find evidence of official KH merch in the park. Only one of the two succeeded and found a phone case at Epcot. They went to all the parks and THAT was the only thing any of them could find. That is sad.
Maybe you do have a point in that if it were to grow to the level of commercialism that say, Frozen did it would be bad. But it would likely make it more prominent in the public zeitgeist and might allow it to get the same treatment that Star Wars has in Disney parks, like Galaxy's edge.
I'll be frank, I don't really want KH in the public zeitgeist. I've seen Star Wars turn from a simple hero's journey story into Palpatine somehow returning, filled with witty one liners and explosions, with absolutely no soul and nothing to say.
I prefer my series popular enough to continue and improve, but not popular enough to have the execs be aware of their existence. My favourite games (Star Ocean 3, Final Fantasy Tactics, Shadow Hearts Covenant, Kingdom Hearts 2) were good and popular, but God forbid they get popular enough to get a theme park.
You lot are talking as if we don't already get a bunch of neat KH merch, just because you can't find them at DisneyLand or whatever.
Perhaps I did frame it in a bad way, I should clarify that I don't want Nomura dead, but merely stating the fact that his overall reluctance to let Disney be Disney is a bit bad for the series. The world at large is aware of Disney and their innumerable properties, and you'd be hard pressed going anywhere without seeing something Disney related in a store. It's just confusing to me how one man is able to reign in Disney, a marketing titan in numerous circles with the fact that he has the final say in what happens with the series and merchandising.
Perhaps I did frame it in a bad way, I should clarify that I don't want Nomura dead, but merely stating the fact that his overall reluctance to let Disney be Disney is a bit bad for the series. The world at large is aware of Disney and their innumerable properties, and you'd be hard pressed going anywhere without seeing something Disney related in a store. It's just confusing to me how one man is able to reign in Disney, a marketing titan in numerous circles with the fact that he has the final say in what happens with the series and merchandising.
God forbid a creator have any influence over how a mega-corporation uses their ideas.
Perhaps I did frame it in a bad way, I should clarify that I don't want Nomura dead, but merely stating the fact that his overall reluctance to let Disney be Disney is a bit bad for the series. The world at large is aware of Disney and their innumerable properties, and you'd be hard pressed going anywhere without seeing something Disney related in a store. It's just confusing to me how one man is able to reign in Disney, a marketing titan in numerous circles with the fact that he has the final say in what happens with the series and merchandising.
Last thing I want is Disney have more chances to profit off of KH stuff
We have enough merch anyway.
Perhaps I did frame it in a bad way, I should clarify that I don't want Nomura dead, but merely stating the fact that his overall reluctance to let Disney be Disney is a bit bad for the series.
Last I'll say on it (because this is completely ridiculous) but the absence of Nomura would be worse for the series than no Sora plushie at Disney World. The assumption that Nomura is not letting Disney be Disney isn't founded on any kind of evidence or fact. Nomura is a bigger Disney head than most of the hardcore fans that buy these games. If he was allowed to, I'm sure he'd have Jack Skellington jumping out of the toilet in Twilight Town to uppercut Xemnas in the jaw.
You did frame it in a bad way, it's creepy to frame the man's death as a possible benefit to the series, and callous as shit to imagine that the series would be in better shape without him because of... merch and tie-ins. He MADE Kingdom Hearts. The closer it sticks to his vision, the better, because without him it's just another nebulous 'idea'.
Alright, I see where I went wrong. Maybe it is good that he holds Disney back a bit. Back on topic though, as for the rumored KH movie, I wonder, would they go down the route of the KH manga (KH 1 has largely all worlds present save for Halloween Town and Deep Jungle) or focus on other aspects of the story.
Most of the Disney worlds would likely have to limited to glorified cameos while maybe the main characters of each come along with Sora on his quest.
Something that always comes to my mind when it comes to adapting video games to other media is that the general level-to-level pacing of your typical game better suits the episodic structure of TV better than it would to film. Like an example that often comes to my mind was that 1st Tomb Raider, which Lara Croft hunting for McGuffin triangle artifact thingie that's been split into 2 halves in 2 different parts of the world. Like you know darn if the film's plot was an actual game said artifact would instead be split between 5-8 pieces & the player would have to go to that many [S]dungeons[/S] ancient temple ruins. But they had to cut that number down to fit the run time.
Or how about FF Spirits Within (my apologies for reminding everyone of that film's existence). Which had 8 Gaia Spirits plot coupons with 5 of them already been found before the film started.
More recently we got the Mario movie, where Mario's journey across the lands that would be 99% of any given game is done in a single montage.
My suggestion of having four Disney worlds was an attempt to find a compromise between "this is supposed to be a long journey where they visit numerous worlds" and "this is a movie adaptation that will at most have a runtime of two hours and some change, there's no room for a long journey." Four worlds would be enough to still feel like a adventure with a bunch of locations, while being few enough that it could still fit in a movie's runtime. Remember, if you cut out the gameplay and the scenes that are set-up for gameplay worlds in KH become a lot shorter.
My world choices weren't random either. Wonderland is the introduction of the Princesses of Heart plotline. Agrabah develops it further. Monstro is about Riku's attempts to save Kairi. Neverland is where all the plotlines up to that point converge. All these worlds could be swapped out for different ones that perform the same function, depending on which properties they want to promote. And you probably could get it down to three Disney worlds if you can figure out which movie could serve the plot functions of both Agrabah and Monstro. (But if they only do three they better fill Traverse Town to the brim with Disney refugee characters, or you risk losing the epic crossover feeling.)
And if you think about it KH1 already has several of the plot token dungeons cut out. There are seven Princesses of Heart, but half of them don't come with world visits. You have Wonderland and Agrabah, and Hollow Bastion is arguably pulling double duty for Kairi and Belle (it's Kairi's homeworld, but Beast is the party member), but Snow White, Cinderella, and Aurora lose their worlds offscreen.
Of course, the best way to adapt KH's story structure would be a TV show. But they aren't doing that, so why not try to figure out how it could be compressed into a movie?
I genuinely don't know how to make a movie out of this. At gunpoint, I'd say make a movie from Destiny Islands until meeting Donald and Goofy and getting on the Gummi Ship. But would that sell? And would Disney approve it?
I genuinely don't know how to make a movie out of this. At gunpoint, I'd say make a movie from Destiny Islands until meeting Donald and Goofy and getting on the Gummi Ship. But would that sell? And would Disney approve it?
That would require a buncha padding too.
Seriously, a cartoon/anime would've been fine since you'd actually have a larger pool to work with depending on how many episodes you get.
That would require a buncha padding too.
Seriously, a cartoon/anime would've been fine since you'd actually have a larger pool to work with depending on how many episodes you get.
It'd kinda require spending time with the trio and letting the characters grow and breathe. Which would be ideal if you're going to make seven movies, but you'd need to be confident you're going to make more than one.
It'd kinda require spending time with the trio and letting the characters grow and breathe. Which would be ideal if you're going to make seven movies, but you'd need to be confident you're going to make more than one.
I mean more like it'd require paddin out Traverse Town for the bulk of the movie
Destiny Islands though Traverse Town has, at most, two episodes worth of content. Even assuming that this is only a 75 minute movie you'd have to pad it out to high heaven to make it into a full film.
In fact, if we go by this cutscene compilation Sora, Donald, and Goofy enter Wonderland at around 33 and a half minutes. The Academy defines a short film as having a runtime of 40 minutes or less. Destiny Islands through Traverse Town doesn't even have enough material to qualify as a full length film instead of a short.
Trying to stretch the source material out as far as possible in anticipation of turning it into a long-running series is a recipe for disaster. Audiences can tell when media has barely any substance, especially in a movie, which is an artform where you need to know how to get to the point and provide a full experience in one sitting. They'll be bored after sitting through one very padded movie, it'll get bad reviews, and you won't get a second movie, let alone a seventh.
I know Kingdom Hearts should be a series, but trying to solve the problem of choosing to make it into a movie instead with "turn it into a series of movies," won't work.
And according to that cutscene compilation KH1 only has a bit over three and a half hours of cutscenes, which is less than I expected. So it's not surprising that some aspiring filmmaker thinks they can trim it down to the length of a theatrical film, it's not a wise choice.
I don't think you can use the cutscene length as a guideline for how long a movie would be. A compilation of scenes makes for a pretty bad movie.
It's not padding or filler to let the characters breathe, grow and interact with one another. It's a different medium. Just... write good dialogue, have good direction, and tell the story slowly.
Yeah again I don't think there's any point in predicting the content of a movie from the starting place of editing the content of the game(s). That's simply not how professionals and executives are looking at it. They're going to rethink it from the ground up to work as a film, whether the result is good or bad.
It's not going to "keep" or "cut out" any given part. It's going to be a movie. If you're not thinking like that then any speculation is pointless.
I could see there just being a montage scene playing with like Take on Me (lol), SDG going through a few different Disney Worlds.
Certain worlds should have longer segments though, I think Agrabah and Neverland are the most important
If he was allowed to, I'm sure he'd have Jack Skellington jumping out of the toilet in Twilight Town to uppercut Xemnas in the jaw.
Xemnas: "Ow, my Kingdom Hearts!"
I don't think you can use the cutscene length as a guideline for how long a movie would be. A compilation of scenes makes for a pretty bad movie.
It's not padding or filler to let the characters breathe, grow and interact with one another. It's a different medium. Just... write good dialogue, have good direction, and tell the story slowly.
Have you heard of the Netflix show Jupiter's Legacy? It's an adaptation of a comic book. Or rather, it's an adaptation of the first three issues of a comic book. Netflix wanted it to be their big mature superhero show, but at the time it was being produced it only had ten issues in the main series and six in the prequel spin-off. How do you get multiple seasons out of that? They tried to do pretty much what you're suggesting, fleshing out the characters, developing their relationships, expanding on the flashbacks, and turning what was pretty much the inciting incident of the comics into a season finale twist. Jupiter's Legacy did not get a second season. Turns out that when you decide to hold back on the meat of your source material in order to stretch things out you might never get to it, because the fat you used as a substitute didn't hook audiences.
Yes, theatrical films are a different medium from video game cutscenes. But do you know what's also a different medium from movies? TV shows. In TV you can spend two hours setting the stage in your pilot and as long as audiences continue to tune in for the rest of the season you have a decent chance of getting renewed. In movies you can't do that. You need to tell a complete story. When you get down to it movies are short form storytelling.
Think of the successful long-running film series, like Star Wars, Harry Potter, and the MCU. All of them had first entries that hit the ground running, and were complete stories. They got sequels that were more ambitious and expanded on their stories, but when you watch the first ones they don't feel like the set-up part got padded out to make the series longer. And even when they got to two-part movies it was only after building up a ton of good will and brand loyalty.
They only way I could imagine a KH movie that only covers Destiny Islands through Traverse Town being even remotely engaging is if you inserted an entirely new subplot about the drama of living in a crossover refugee camp. Which could be interesting (I've thought about fanfic ideas along those lines) but it's basically an entirely different type of story from what KH usually is. To the point where Disney could probably turn it into a new brand and get out of Square Enix having any involvement.
Have you heard of the Netflix show Jupiter's Legacy? It's an adaptation of a comic book. Or rather, it's an adaptation of the first three issues of a comic book. Netflix wanted it to be their big mature superhero show, but at the time it was being produced it only had ten issues in the main series and six in the prequel spin-off. How do you get multiple seasons out of that? They tried to do pretty much what you're suggesting, fleshing out the characters, developing their relationships, expanding on the flashbacks, and turning what was pretty much the inciting incident of the comics into a season finale twist. Jupiter's Legacy did not get a second season. Turns out that when you decide to hold back on the meat of your source material in order to stretch things out you might never get to it, because the fat you used as a substitute didn't hook audiences.
Yes, theatrical films are a different medium from video game cutscenes. But do you know what's also a different medium from movies? TV shows. In TV you can spend two hours setting the stage in your pilot and as long as audiences continue to tune in for the rest of the season you have a decent chance of getting renewed. In movies you can't do that. You need to tell a complete story. When you get down to it movies are short form storytelling.
Think of the successful long-running film series, like Star Wars, Harry Potter, and the MCU. All of them had first entries that hit the ground running, and were complete stories. They got sequels that were more ambitious and expanded on their stories, but when you watch the first ones they don't feel like the set-up part got padded out to make the series longer. And even when they got to two-part movies it was only after building up a ton of good will and brand loyalty.
They only way I could imagine a KH movie that only covers Destiny Islands through Traverse Town being even remotely engaging is if you inserted an entirely new subplot about the drama of living in a crossover refugee camp. Which could be interesting (I've thought about fanfic ideas along those lines) but it's basically an entirely different type of story from what KH usually is. To the point where Disney could probably turn it into a new brand and get out of Square Enix having any involvement.
I think that's my point. I don't think Aladin and Hercules being in the same frame is the meat of the series. Sure, KH got people into the game by seeing, what if Cloud and Tarzan together. But not a single one of us stayed for that. We stayed for "one who knows nothing can understand nothing". We stayed because of Another Side Another Story and Deep Dive. Because while you were fighting Jafar, you were reading about a man performing human experimentation to see what exactly be needed to do to create darkness.
You could certainly have a movie about some Disney characters together. I daresay it might even be financially successful. But I don't think it'd be hugely so, there's been other attempts at that, and they've been... fine. You can't just make Avengers, you do have to properly set that up, or you end up with the failure of DC.
I think maybe I'm explaining myself badly. I don't think you should adapt the cutscenes into the movie. I think you should take the overall beats (from station of awakening to boarding the Gummi Ship) and make a good, exciting, quality movie around that. Add whatever subplots you need to make that happen.
But I maintain that the whole reason KH works as a story is the underlying melancholy and dread, and if your adaptation is happy happy Disney happy, then that's just a new IP wearing KH's face as a mask.
For a movie that actually captures the mysteriousness of KH, though, to me that could only be Nomura doing another movie in the story. Which this almost definitely won't end up becoming, so I don't think that exists as a hypothetical.
I can’t remember if I've said this before here or on other parts of the forum, but I can only see a KH movie project working in one way:
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Multi-film project. No idea if Disney would actually commit to this, probably not, but if they're dead set on making KH a movie project, this would be the best option in my opinion. For the examples above, Persona 3 had a quadrilogy of movies for each act, with each movie’s title making reference to each season in the year-long story.
And while Ufotable had previously done a full 26-episode series for their adaptation of Fate/Stay Night’s Unlimited Blade Works route, they made the Heaven’s Feel route into a movie trilogy, which I think worked rather well.
With at least 3-4 movies worth of screen time(5 at maximum), you could probably tell the whole KH1 story and then some. Though personally, I think Birth by Sleep would work better for a multi-movie project. Mainly as a trilogy
Movie 1: Destiny Islands, Traverse Town, Wonderland, Deep Jungle
Deep Jungle could actually happen now (he shown up in a Simpsons disney short) and it'd be perfect for the end drama where Sora has a falling out with Donald but then they get back together
When it comes to Olympus Coliseum, it should be used in a future film where they fight Hades (so late game)
It's stupid if it ends up being multiple movies, I don't know why we couldn't have just gotten an anime/cartoon series that adapts each game. 2-3 episodes per disney world but in a movie format it seems like it'll be cramped.
Like will they really tell KH1 in one movie? What worlds will get axed and will they have newer disney IPs because modern audiences might not care about older movies? (specifically kids, I'm sure most kids haven't seen Hercules or Tarzan nowadays)
This is getting more and more painful to watch and proves why this isn't a good idea. No one can decide on what they want from a KH movie and so even if Disney took any post in here and used it as a blueprint, it would likely piss countless other people off.
I don't envy whoever's working on this. I hope they never have to deal with the hate that's hovering over their heads. And I hope most of you never make it to film and TV development.
I think that's my point. I don't think Aladin and Hercules being in the same frame is the meat of the series. Sure, KH got people into the game by seeing, what if Cloud and Tarzan together. But not a single one of us stayed for that. We stayed for "one who knows nothing can understand nothing". We stayed because of Another Side Another Story and Deep Dive. Because while you were fighting Jafar, you were reading about a man performing human experimentation to see what exactly be needed to do to create darkness.
You could certainly have a movie about some Disney characters together. I daresay it might even be financially successful. But I don't think it'd be hugely so, there's been other attempts at that, and they've been... fine. You can't just make Avengers, you do have to properly set that up, or you end up with the failure of DC.
I think maybe I'm explaining myself badly. I don't think you should adapt the cutscenes into the movie. I think you should take the overall beats (from station of awakening to boarding the Gummi Ship) and make a good, exciting, quality movie around that. Add whatever subplots you need to make that happen.
But I maintain that the whole reason KH works as a story is the underlying melancholy and dread, and if your adaptation is happy happy Disney happy, then that's just a new IP wearing KH's face as a mask.
If what you're trying to say is that the original material is what should be focused on Destiny Islands through Traverse Town is still a pretty poor choice. Because the only Ansem that sequence contains is the potato sack one. Sure, you could move finding his reports forward into the story, but that messes up the pacing of how his character is revealed. (Also, the report you get after fighting Jafar is the first one, and it makes no mention of the human experimentation. Ansem being a bad guy was originally a late game twist.)
Saying that the crossover elements aren't part of the meat is a bit weird when we're discussing an adaptation of KH1, which had the Disney parts integrated pretty well into the story. But you know what, sure, just as I can imagine the world choices being swapped out for other movies, I could also imagine them being swapped out for original material that fulfills the same plot functions. And hey, maybe that would make it easier to adapt the story into movie form.
And I can just imagine some writer taking this proposal to a Disney executive for approval. Then the executive stares at the writer and asks why they're trying to take the crossover parts out of the crossover property. Especially when they were already planning to make the Council of Disney Villains into the cornerstone of the movie's advertising. What devoted KH fans consider to be the soul of the series is not going to be the only consideration when making this movie. Like it or not Disney is still a core part of the series identity. Which is why we continue to have Disney worlds even when the plot of the games has nothing to do with them. The best we can ask for is that the worlds are integrated into the plot.
(And just to make it clear, when I suggested three or four Disney worlds I wasn't suggesting only Disney worlds. I assumed that all the original worlds being included went without saying.)
Imagine if when adapting Harry Potter they decided that first book had too much detail to fit into a movie, so they decided to expand the story up to the point of Platform 9 3/4 into a full film. I guess it could be interesting if they got the right writer, maybe a bit Roald Dahl-esque. But anyone remotely familiar with the books would be asking why they decided to hold off on the much more interesting hook of going to magic school.
Destiny Islands through Traverse Town is a good start to a story, but it's just that, a START. Even if you somehow manage to make a watchable full-length film out of it by inserting lots of filler full of melancholy and dread it's not going to be as enticing as the journey and adventure of saving a bunch of Disney worlds.
For the examples above, Persona 3 had a quadrilogy of movies for each act, with each movie’s title making reference to each season in the year-long story.
Persona 3 was an 80-hour game compressed into four movies. So if we keep the same ratio for a 20-hour game, well...
But I gotta admit, I would be willing to forgive a great number of flaws if the KH movie had beautiful 2D animation like the P3 movies. But unfortunately that's not the medium the rumors are saying it's in :(
This is getting more and more painful to watch and proves why this isn't a good idea. No one can decide on what they want from a KH movie and so even if Disney took any post in here and used it as a blueprint, it would likely piss countless other people off.
I don't envy whoever's working on this. I hope they never have to deal with the hate that's hovering over their heads. And I hope most of you never make it to film and TV development.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I think a KH movie is an awful idea, period. I can think of few IPs that would lend themselves worse to a feature length film.
The uniqueness of KH is the juxtaposition of the crossover with the mystery and melancholy of the original story. KH1 does this job particularly well. Unless you capture both these concepts, you've failed as an adaptation.
Which doesn't necessarily mean it'd be a commercial failure. I just don't think it'd be a particularly good use of the different properties. It'd be another run of the mill kids movie, and probably make run of the mill kids movie money.
I'm seeing this sentiment that crossovers print money automatically, but not really. Crossovers that are properly set up print money. Crossovers that are just cashing in don't.
Persona 3 was an 80-hour game compressed into four movies. So if we keep the same ratio for a 20-hour game, well...
But I gotta admit, I would be willing to forgive a great number of flaws if the KH movie had beautiful 2D animation like the P3 movies. But unfortunately that's not the medium the rumors are saying it's in :(
True, but a good chunk of those 80 hours people have played are spent on exploring Tartarus and side content(social links, getting Minato Arisato/Makoto Yuki’s social stats boosted, etc), while the movies focus on the main plot with the core SEES cast and show how our P3 protag grows across each movie.
I know you wouldn't be able to adapt everything from KH1 into multiple movies(I can't think of any way to adapt the Colosseum tournaments outside of episodes in a series), but when it comes to the core story of Sora’s quest to find Riku and Kairi, I could see it working.
Like I said before, I don't expect Disney to go the multi-movie route with this potential KH project, it probably will just be one movie. And like Antifa said, it’s gotta be a frustrating situation for whoever’s heading the project, not only from trying to make something that KH fans will hopefully like, but also from trying to keep the producers and investors at Disney happy. It's a hard tightrope for anyone to walk and not everyone can do it.
Yeah again I don't think there's any point in predicting the content of a movie from the starting place of editing the content of the game(s). That's simply not how professionals and executives are looking at it. They're going to rethink it from the ground up to work as a film, whether the result is good or bad.
It's not going to "keep" or "cut out" any given part. It's going to be a movie. If you're not thinking like that then any speculation is pointless.
This is getting more and more painful to watch and proves why this isn't a good idea. No one can decide on what they want from a KH movie and so even if Disney took any post in here and used it as a blueprint, it would likely piss countless other people off.
I don't envy whoever's working on this. I hope they never have to deal with the hate that's hovering over their heads. And I hope most of you never make it to film and TV development.
The solution is right here: Just. Make. A. TV. Show.
The solution is right here: Just. Make. A. TV. Show.
And you'd all still hate the show so ?
And you'd all still hate the show so ?
I'd like it if they keep it a cartoon/animoo and do it right.
Like, KH1 for example? Two seasons. S1 is the first half of the game and S2 is the second half. Maybe one of them good ol' hour long finales. And also a good studio to animate it
And you'd all still hate the show so ?
Almost certainly, because Disney isn't going to approve Ansem torturing people to see what their hearts do, and I ain't watching a KH movie or show that doesn't have Ansem hamming it up.
Is the target audience kids that have never played KH, or us, or casual fans? Yeesh. I'm echoing the sentiments expressed above; I don't envy whoever is in charge of this, it seems like an impossible project.
Given that it isn't going to have any bearing on the games you already know and love, some of you really need to make peace with and maybe even get excited about the likely possibility that this is going to be a horrible film.
Clearly the best solution is to turn Kingdom Hearts into a stage musical:
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[*]Musicals can have longer runtimes than theatrical films
[*]Many of the worlds visited are already based on musical movies
[*]People understand the limits of stage props, so the lack of anime designs will be easier to forgive
[*]Ansem's song about Darkness would absolutely go viral
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Clearly the best solution is to turn Kingdom Hearts into a stage musical:
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[*]Musicals can have longer runtimes than theatrical films
[*]Many of the worlds visited are already based on musical movies
[*]People understand the limits of stage props, so the lack of anime designs will be easier to forgive
[*]Ansem's song about Darkness would absolutely go viral
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An attempt was made at this around ten years ago and it was apocalyptically bad. I commend the attempt but holy shit was it terrible-- I'm an enjoyer of all sorts of rotten things but I would not try to sit through that show again
And as someone who has seen and performed in many musicals and loved them-- Musicals that exceed two hours in length are terrible!! What an abusive thing to do to someone!! Two PLUS hours of musical? There should be laws.
Personally, I will only watch if it is a CW series where Sora has to learn about the epic highs and lows of high school football.
Oh man, now I'm thinking about DBZ Evolution. Maybe Sora is worried that Kairi doesn't like him, and Ansem is a high school teacher or something!
I thought the Kingdom Hearts movie was only a rumor being touted by a guy who was throwing out anything to get people to pay for his pateron. Why is everyone here panicking as if this is really being produced, did I miss an official statement by Disney or Square Enix?
Oh man, now I'm thinking about DBZ Evolution. Maybe Sora is worried that Kairi doesn't like him, and Ansem is a high school teacher or something!
Ansem is Kairi’s mob boss father who recruits Riku into being his hit man. Oh and the Heartless is just the name of Ansem’s gang. The hearts are literal blood-pumping hearts Ansem is harvesting for an underground organ trafficking operation or something.
I thought the Kingdom Hearts movie was only a rumor being touted by a guy who was throwing out anything to get people to pay for his pateron. Why is everyone here panicking as if this is really being produced, did I miss an official statement by Disney or Square Enix?
Because we have nothing better to discuss. There’s currently nothing indicating the rumor is true other than that Nomura himself has said Disney has considered some kind of cinematic adaptation in the past. And this is likely just something perpetually in consideration, but may or may not ever make it through to production.
Yeah, just throwing out ideas. I don't think they'll ever do it. If Disney wants a villains greatest hits, they'll just do that. Why would they bother with the original story stuff?
Okay, I just had a random thought, and this is based on what appears to be a recent trend. If this potential KH movie is a thing, what if gets a TV series version released alongside it?
Hear me out: during the past couple years we’ve had anime movie projects get announced, released, and then a short time later reveal a TV series version is getting released. Projects of note: Sand Land, Dead Dead Demon's Dededede Destruction, and most recently the latest Code Geass anime project Rozé of the Recapture. All of these started as film projects: Sand Land had 1 movie, DDDDD was originally announced a 2-part movie project, and now Rozé, a 4-part movie project, has a weekly anime series being released on Disney+ in June.
What if this movie project is just an elaborate pilot for a full series using its assets?
Okay, I just had a random thought, and this is based on what appears to be a recent trend. If this potential KH movie is a thing, what if gets a TV series version released alongside it?
Hear me out: during the past couple years we’ve had anime movie projects get announced, released, and then a short time later reveal a TV series version is getting released. Projects of note: Sand Land, Dead Dead Demon's Dededede Destruction, and most recently the latest Code Geass anime project Rozé of the Recapture. All of these started as film projects: Sand Land had 1 movie, DDDDD was originally announced a 2-part movie project, and now Rozé, a 4-part movie project, has a weekly anime series being released on Disney+ in June.
What if this movie project is just an elaborate pilot for a full series using its assets?
I mean I could see a movie covering Destiny Islands to the end of Traverse Town
Then the series could pick up from there?
If they do more movies I guess Neverland-Hollowbastion could be it's own movie
The end of the world could be it's own movie too, there's like a whole disney world montage there too, fighting through the different worlds.
So Movie 1 would be the prologue, movie 2-3 would be the epilogue for KH1
Look, the only thing that would genuinely work for film and television is a loose adaption or something based in the universe of KH without being about the existing characters. Anything else and it’s too much complication.
If you actually try to adapt the games true to how they were, you might as well play the games. You try to do a continuation of the series from any of the current threads and you risk too many people being absolutely confused and uninvested.
A loose adaption allows for these characters to be introduced but with, hopefully, better continuity management and allows whoever serves as the showrunner to inject their own personality into it.
But ultimately I think the best choice is a show based in the universe of KH because you can have something new, refreshing, and unique and have fan favorite characters appear or get referenced. It can be an organic introduction of the lore and universe without the baggage of the games. It won’t step on anything in the games but could easily crossover into the games if they so choose.
I thought the Kingdom Hearts movie was only a rumor being touted by a guy who was throwing out anything to get people to pay for his pateron. Why is everyone here panicking as if this is really being produced, did I miss an official statement by Disney or Square Enix?
It’s been corroborated by other Disney insiders, but with the caveat that it isn’t actually in “production” but just a bunch of discussions.
It’s been corroborated by other Disney insiders, but with the caveat that it isn’t actually in “production” but just a bunch of discussions.
Everyone knows they're on Khinsider looking for ideas from us devoted fans, really looking to please the established audience. C'mon, Disney! We want to see... 'Hermod', and.. 'Brain'... and... 'Remus'!
Everyone knows they're on Khinsider looking for ideas from us devoted fans, really looking to please the established audience. C'mon, Disney! We want to see... 'Hermod', and.. 'Brain'... and... 'Remus'!
I’m so eagerly awaiting the return of fan favorites Vidar and Hoder.
Y'all jest but an adaptation of Dark Road would actually be a bit easier in terms of game-to-film transition
I wouldn’t tune in to a film that barely covers the inciting incidence, and Disney wouldn’t make that either. There’s no way a film would just be Destiny Islands and Traverse Town.
A lot of y’all are thinking too literal with a translation from game to movie.
I stand by my thinking that the film needs to be its own, rewritten, reconceptualised version of KH1 where there’s no Ansem and instead the big bad are the Disney villains.
I wouldn’t tune in to a film that barely covers the inciting incidence, and Disney wouldn’t make that either. There’s no way a film would just be Destiny Islands and Traverse Town.
A lot of y’all are thinking too literal with a translation from game to movie.
I stand by my thinking that the film needs to be its own, rewritten, reconceptualised version of KH1 where there’s no Ansem and instead the big bad are the Disney villains.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but if Disney wanted to make a film about Disney villains, they'd just do that. They wouldn't bother with KH if that's all it was.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but if Disney wanted to make a film about Disney villains, they'd just do that. They wouldn't bother with KH if that's all it was.
Would they, though? Disney has been sitting on the Disney Princess Academy thing for years. Descendants fills a certain void but it isn’t the actual animated characters.
I think that Kingdom Hearts would be their…real experiment with crossover media in the forefront. A Disney-Verse of sorts.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but if Disney wanted to make a film about Disney villains, they'd just do that. They wouldn't bother with KH if that's all it was.
You're right, if they wanted a film about Disney villains they'd do that. They've done that with the Descendants movies (I think, I've never seen them but I know that villains are a big part of it.)
But using the Kingdom Hearts IP helps onboarding. For some reason Disney avoids making movies about their mascot so they wouldn't pick Mickey Mouse to lead the film, leaving who else? Choosing to use KH gives the movie a protagonist to rally around that already has the boundaries for the character set.
Kairi and Riku give Sora his drive and motive through the whole game, which translates exceptionally well to film. Then there's KH unique things like the Keyblade and Heartless, a marketable weapon that Disney would properly merchandise alongside the film, and creatures that help show the danger and destruction to up the stakes to get all the Disney characters to Traverse Town and gives the characters purpose for letting Sora join their cause. It's an old trope but him turning up with the Keyblade would give any rebellion a kickstart to get back into the action of reclaiming their homes.
There's a lot that Kingdom Hearts 1 did so right to create its heroes journey and if I were an exec at Disney looking at our portfolios, this franchise that has sold 36 million units over 20 years with established concepts, arcs, and characters would be much easier to start with than trying to figure it all out from scratch. Choosing KH over an original Disney concept avoids odd out-of-character moments like that weird Peter Pan from the Chip n Dale movie.
They could throw Ansem back into the mix, especially since there's the Destiny Islands connection and we have to get to Kingdom Hearts somehow, but I think with a general mainstream audience for a kids movie, it'd be better to keep things a bit cleaner and succinct.
I wouldn’t tune in to a film that barely covers the inciting incidence, and Disney wouldn’t make that either. There’s no way a film would just be Destiny Islands and Traverse Town.
A lot of y’all are thinking too literal with a translation from game to movie.
I stand by my thinking that the film needs to be its own, rewritten, reconceptualised version of KH1 where there’s no Ansem and instead the big bad are the Disney villains.
I really can't think how the movie's going to work without changing KH1's whole story
Still think a Disney+ series would've been better
Will probably be in theaters the first day anyways lol
I really can't think how the movie's going to work without changing KH1's whole story
Still think a Disney+ series would've been better
Will probably be in theaters the first day anyways lol
A series would have been the best solution to any multimedia adaptation, absolutely. Do what A Series of Unfortunate Events did and split each Disney world visit into two parter episodes and you've got me hooked.
I really can't think how the movie's going to work without changing KH1's whole story
Well, maybe you should start thinking about that, because that's what an adaptation is
I think you guys are being very pessimistic about a KH movie. I will love to see a KH movie. I feel it has the potential to be a better version of the game. The KH games don't have exactly a good narrative, so I feel like a movie could improve in almost every aspect like the manga did. Imagine how Sora and Kairi can be improved to be actual good characters and have a well-written romance this time, like what they did with Princess Peach in the Mario movie versus the games.
I think the best choice is a show based in the universe of KH
I know what you meant here, but this made me think of a show literally produced in the KH universe. Like the characters sold the rights to their life stories, resulting in a docuseries called Keyblades and Courage: The Kingdom Hearts Story. Now airing on Twilight Town TV.
I don't really want Disney themselves having a big hand in it at all. Instead, a more "background" role in the production, just making sure things are accurate and all that. Not exactly to KH3's extent, but still.
I feel this way cuz...I just don't really trust Disney's capabilities anymore. I don't trust them to handle legit villains. I don't trust them to NOT put in the more "modern" Disney touch that brings down some of their more recent films.
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