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Thanks for the translation!

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Man, I really like the MoM as a character, like his personality and stuff. But I'm getting a little tired of how they are making literally everything "because of his doing". Like first it was that the Dandelions wasn't Ava's idea, and now it's that making Ephemer and Skuld dandelions wasn't even her idea either? Like, god, let the girl have some agency.

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Even when it was untranslated I just knew Ven was gonna say "Call me Ven". :3

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Hmm, a couple things I noticed. The rough translations seem to have misinterpreted the child as being "dangerous", so I'm glad that has been cleared up. Also, it seems like the one who will inherit the tome has to be one of the new foretellers.

As much as I defend the MoM as a good guy, it does seem like he's setting the new foretellers up for distrust with his plan to tell one of them a secret and keep them from the rest. It feels like I'm watching Gula's investigation all over again.

So, basic notes: Ephemer, Skuld, Ventus, and two others were handpicked by the Master of Masters to be the new union foretellers post-war. The ending of X did occur, since Ephemer mentions to Skuld how they've been to the graveyard once before, post-battle. The war shall be kept from the players minds to their best ability, only known to the foretellers, and the master will send everyone to "a realm without tragedy", perhaps the unchained realm? Ava gives the tome of prophecy to Red Circle Kid, or RCK, and if RCK leaks the details of the book of prophecies to the rest of the foretellers it could potentially prove very dangerous.

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You know what? I'm done with this, Nomura. Stop adding questions to a series that already has too many! We all know you guys won't be able to answer everything in III, so stop it! Please! My heart can't take it!

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Just as I thought about some parts of the translations being erronous in the rough draft (which was also pointed out by the poster itself).

That the Master of Masters "handpicked" five Keykids to become the second Union leaders and ordered Ava to include them in the Dandelions makes me somewhat suspicious though. What are the criteria he used to choose these five? Why "maintain" the unions? For what reason is that even necessary?

The reasoning for "equipping" the Dandelions with one copy of the Book of Prophecies I can understand though, as if I interpret it correctly that one will be the "blueprint" to re-create the world after everything goes to hell.
Operating from that separate realm the MoM mentions the Dandelions will venture out and slowly but surely rebuild the world that was nearly annihilated, but without actually knowing it.

In Re: Coded Maleficent speaks about the book having the power to "create entire worlds" according to one's wishes and with this taken into perspective too, it is clear as to why both Ava and the MoM perceive it as "dangerous".
In the wrong hands, this book could cause untold amounts of damage and since the world was restored to what we know as the setting of the main KH series, only small "drops" of light in a still dark ocean between with the "true light still sleeping" as Kairi's grandma put it, I can only assume that either the book did get in the wrong hands and the Dandelion leaders had to put up the current setting as a "patchwork" to prevent even greater damage (and the force represented by Xehanort is now trying to finish the job) or the one who got gifted with the book is responsible for the "next world" not being a fully restored one.
This could be either
- a) due to the one having the book going rogue/becoming evil/falling to darkness and thus becoming an actual traitor (if one of the two still unknown characters has golden eyes we might have a suspect on hand already)
or
- b) who- or whatever the dark force is that also first distributed the Guilt bangles and ushered in the creation of Nightmare Chirithy makes a move on the one holding the book, trying to force him/her to give it up and in the resulting struggle things to awry and the current setting of the world is erected to keep this force at bay because the Dandelion leaders can't defeat it permanently.
- c) the dark force tries to possess/enslave the one holding the book and thus hijacking it, the book holder possibly eventually sacrificing him-/herself to deny the dark force a victory, possibly together with the book, forcing the remaining Dandelion leaders to create the current setting again as a patchwork since they do not have the book anymore to "shape" things.

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While I do like where this is going I'm actually also a little skeptical in still having there to be a possible rivalry between dandelions (not specifically Ephemer, Ven or Skuld, but the remains of them). Also we'll soon find out what's going on with Ven and why he's where he is. But since they called it an origin story it's very possible that we'll discover untold secrets about Ven's background.

Ava's role was to prepare the dandelions to flee the darkness and it's appeal to fight. Shouldn't the dandelions story instead focus on children rebuilding small fragments of light instead of yet another traitor event to take place.

This is very early to state but I really do hope that we won't repeat with yet another traitor arc for season 2. Discovery in Unchained Realm, Rebuild the world, Xehanort interfering. I would see more than a repeat of season 1.

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"RCK"? It's like the BHK stuff all over again and I love it. Bring it on!

I'm kind of confused, though... It sounds to me that Ava did choose the Dandelions herself, and then the MoM chose the five leaders from that list. But everyone else seems to be thinking that the MoM told Ava to put Ephemer and Skuld into the Dandelions from the get-go... Which seems contradictory to me, when Chi has her saying she chose Ephemer because he'd begun to question things, and then tested Skuld with Player before letting her in. But IDK.

Also? Can we call the "Mark of Mastery" the "Master Qualification Exam" now, as I believe it was called in the Japanese version of BbS? That way we won't have two "MoM" abbreviations?

But anyway, I am loving all of this! And I still can't tell what the Master of Master's true intentions are. Ahh!

@Sephiroth Didn't Dark Chirithy say that it was the Master of Masters who gave out the bangles?

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The scene with the Master of Masters happens before he disappears and is explaining the concept of the Dandelions /to/ Ava, so it's before she even has started to gather them that he already has a list of the five people he wants.

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Actually I think it fits just fine in the theme we have seen in BC. So far everything that happend has been orchestrated by the MoM (or that's how I look at it). So him influencing in who the new Foretellers are doesn't come as a big suprise. She does have some agency though. It wasn't her idea, but she did manage to set up a whole new orginasation called Dandelions. Sure she didn't pick 5 of the wielders, but she did hand pick a dozen others. That takes skill.

I'm glad that issue got resolved as well. Took kind of a unexpected twist to be honest. I was fully focused on whether the Tome Keeper would be a good or a bad guy, but it turns out that leaking it would be a bad thing. I wonder why.

Even after BC you think he is a good guy? (genuine question)

But wouldn't all the other dandelions also know of the Keyblade War. So not only the Foretellers in this case.

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Gosh dangit, Audo. You're right! No! Why's this have to be a thing?! Why did they have to take Ava's agency away some? Ehh.

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I didn't say it didn't fit with what we were shown in BC. I said I didn't like it.

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Something else I'm kind of confused about... The Master of Masters said he didn't want them to remember tragedy, right? So why does it seem like Skuld and Ephemer remember entering the Keyblade Graveyard at the end of X? Shouldn't that be a memory of tragedy he wouldn't want them to have?

Furthermore, why have them meet in the Keyblade Graveyard at all?! Shouldn't that give them trauma, that he wants them to avoid?

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I wonder who will get the Book of Prophecy.

I want to start guessing, but we don't even have all five yet.

Player will probably be one of them, right?

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i doubit since he would his own union each leader will have five unions like the fortller before then

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It's possible the MoM speaks only about regular Dandelions when he mentions the no-tragedy memories, not the five choosen "leaders".

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Did Ven time travel to the past? I can't think of any other explanation as to why he's appearing in Union Cross & has his BBS appearance.

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@Sephiroth That could make some sense, actually.

@Caxinuld The idea right now seems to be that either Ven is actually from the past, and somehow found his way into the future. Or that Ven actually wasn't there, but Union X is taking place in the Sleeping Realm and his heart is somehow messing with the world's dream and whatnot.

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What if they aren't going rogue on purpose?
The conflict between the Foretellers was born from their own good intentions. Maybe it'll happen again.

Perhaps the one who has the Book wants to use it to "set things right," but the other Leaders see their solution as destructive or wrong? Sort of like Aced choosing to disobey the Master.

If there is any villain character in χ, I think it's only the Master. The rest of them are just following their heart, to do what they think is best.

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It's actually his pre-BBS appearance which he had during the flashbacks in BBS which take place four years before BBS (the scenes with Xehanort and the Neoshadows, when he first comes to Land of Departure etc.) as he his missing his shoulder pauldron and the crossing cheststraps.
It's also depicted on his first awakening platform (after Sora stabilizes him in the Prologue, only viewable in the PSP version as they somehow used the false, later station picture of Ven from the finale here too in the Remasters).

Note him not having the cheststraps and the shoulder pauldron, just like now in Union Cross.



Would at least explain it without any hickups.



Don't you think that would be a rather repetitive endeavour, not to mention counterproductive to the "experience without tragedy" the MoM implies he wants?
Sure, the end result would not be destruction this time but a "botched" restoration attempt, but when I consider Nomura's words about a "great diverge and upheaval" I have a hard time believing it going down more or less the same as with the first Foretellers in X and Back Cover.

So the Master is the one who distributed the Guilt Bangles then and who ushered in the creation of Nightmare Chirithy?
In Back Cover all five of the Foretellers state if I recall correctly that none of them created or distributed these bangles.

The rise and constant strengthening of Darkness is certainly tied to these bangles and what Nightmare Chirithy explains in Browser Chi also points in this direction, so I'd theorize that whoever distributed the bangles (or rather, who ordered that Chirithy to distribute them) is the "villain" who stands behind the whole thing.

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Frankly, I don't trust a word out of his mouth. He insists that Unions are necessary, but clearly the decision to split off into tribes like that was the fountainhead of tragedy the first time. Why should it be any different now?

I mean, only one of the Leaders having a Book (even if in secret) can't possibly lead to good things.

Sure, the end result would not be destruction this time but a "botched" restoration attempt, but when I consider Nomura's words about a "great diverge and upheaval" I have a hard time believing it going down more or less the same as with the first Foretellers in X and Back Cover.

Would the red circle being possessed to cause conflict be that much different, really?

So the Master is the one who distributed the Guilt Bangles then and who ushered in the creation of Nightmare Chirithy? In Back Cover all five of the Foretellers state if I recall correctly that none of them created or distributed these bangles.

The Nightmare says something along the lines of "you think the Master hadn't predicted this, too?"
Whether he created/distributed the Bangles himself doesn't matter so much as the fact that he knew it was happening.

The rise and constant strengthening of Darkness is certainly tied to these bangles and what Nightmare Chirithy explains in Browser Chi also points in this direction, so I'd theorize that whoever distributed the bangles (or rather, who ordered that Chirithy to distribute them) is the "villain" who stands behind the whole thing.

With the current info we have, I can only see that person being the Master.

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Certainly a good point.
His insistence on the Unions being maintained is also what bothers me the most among all the things revealed here story wise, especially after just three sentences prior telling Ava to ignore the notion of Unions.
But who knows, maybe Alliances are not forbidden this time around and unless Ava imparted the Master's teachings on all five of the new leaders, I do not see why they should be bound to follow his "rules", so things could at least partially take a different turn this time around.
Considering that Skuld, Ephemer and Ventus introduce themselves to each other it's also likely the new five are not as "close" as the original Foretellers were who were all studying under the same Master.

Nonetheless, I think we have an answer for that scene now where Ephemer sneaks into the Foreteller's tower at night and meets a mysterious Coaty. That's the MoM approaching Ephemer.


I'd say that really depends on who actually has the book and how he/she handles it as well as if the other four find out about it or not.

The main problem of the original Foretellers was twofold in that they a) followed the book to a T (and Ira getting upset over events happening which are not in the book) and b) blindly follow the Master's teachings without thinking critically and for themselves (Aced is the only one to break somewhat free of this, as while Ava states while conversing with Ephemer that she thinks thinking for yourself and pursue the truth with open eyes is the correct way to go about things, she herself does not act upon this realization, she continues to follow the Master's teachings like a trained puppy.

Strangely, that reminds me of Eraqus' and Xehanort's chess scene where they talk about the Keyblade War and the Lost Masters.
At one point, Xehanort tells Eraqus he can "drop the facade", implying that Eraqus was privy to some information Xehanort was not but which he got to know anyways somehow.

As I made these three possible "scenarios" up on a whim I'm plenty sure they've all already happened in some variation throughout the whole series, yet only one of them has so far in the X-era-subseries.



True, the Nightmare Chirithy did say something along these lines.

I'm certainly not ruling out the MoM being the "villain" and possibly being the great mastermind behind all, also since Nomura said he won't appear in KH III, so there is the prospect of him being set up as the main villain (or antagonist, if he's not outright "evil") for the new saga.

But who knows, maybe the MoM isn't the villain himself but knows who the villain is yet also knows that he himself or his students can't stop him/her by themselves.
In that case, maybe he's using Ephemer, Skuld, Ventus and the other Dandelions to "buy time" for a contingency plan to come to fruition which also involves that mysterious box and the "current" heroes SRK, MDG, TAV (including present day Ventus if the Union-cross version is truly a past one) and all their allies in order to finally confront the villain (the one with the sigil) in a scenario that is actually winnable.
In this case, everything that happened/happens in X[chi]/Back Cover and Unchained/Union Cross is about the same deal as what happened in BBS, KH 1, KH 2 and DDD, in-between steps to derail/slow down the villain's progress in order to prepare a sufficient force for the final clash (KH III).

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I'm still waiting for a line from the MoM's mouth that doesn't just sound like pure evil wrapped in violets. >.>

Updated with an English subbed video :D

[video=youtube;zizn7D3lbzA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=436&v=zizn7D3lbzA[/video]

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Honestly, when I heard about the Ventus being a Union Leader. I screamed, the hype is real. But now I wonder who the other two are, one I have an idea of. But not the last one... I wonder who is supposed to carry the book and reshape the worlds.

I think the Player being one is highly likely, being the "main" protagonist (To us at least) And proving themselves to have an abnormally strong heart. To the point of fighting four Foretellers in a row and not perishing or letting exhaustion get to them...But it did in the end. Also, the Player refused to be a Dandelion. And Ava insisted that they become one in the Keyblade Graveyard, and it got to the the point that Ephemera and Skuld had to save them. Because I think more to it exists, than just saving a close friend. So yes, once again. I think, that it is highly likely.

As a matter of fact, I think our Player MAY be the one to get the Book of Prophecies if they are a Foreteller Replacement. Because they are the only one, as far as we know (Besides Luxu). Who saw and fought in the events that the Book was made to warn of.

I will stand by this statement though, I refuse to change my mind about it.

So does this mean I can officially ship Ventus and Ephemera.

Love how this forum figured the whole thing out in about 5 minutes as per usual.

Someone will make fanart of this.

They've held hands, it's canon.
Also I would say Skuld's got competition but she hasn't been kidnapped enough to be in the running.

I'm tired of the Master. It's disappointing that Nomura thinks a hammed up Xehanort counts towards cast diversity. It might help if his role in the story was even a little unpredictable.
We were told ad nauseum that Back Cover was all about getting to know the Foretellers as characters, and then nothing they do has lasting consequence beyond the Master of Master's prescribed end game. At this point they're just stand-ins for the main cast, prohibited from resolving any of the crises or plot points attributed to them because they are those plot points, disguised now and then with a sprinkle of colorful dialogue and reactionary histrionics, the occasional mimicry of character writing. And now this, consigned to a sales ploy promising the eventual involvement of the main cast (from the future! er?) who we're really supposed to care about, and the oh-so-provocative twist of these five new Foretellers: another glorifying tribute to the series' diminishing structure.

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The Master handpicking the new Union leaders makes sense. Do you remember the flashback when Ephemer disappeared and someone watched him from the shadows? That was the master alright, even though he had already vanished/dimmed etc. at this point.

As someone checked if this station is back in BBSFM of the PS4 version? Accidentally or not, it was removed for the HD 2.5 ReMIX.

I think Ventus is from the KHx era. If Ventus was told by Ava to meet with the other four newly chosen Union leaders, then he must have memories from the War. And if he has those memories, it means that he isn't present day Ven, seeing as how present day Ventus would have only experienced Union x by having his sleeping heart travel the Realm of Sleep, and not the original conflict from centuries ago, thus not having memories from that period of history.

Hang on."After the great battle?" Are they implying that this scene actually takes place aftethe ending of Browser X? Because that's what Ephemer's wording is making me think.

I mean… yeah? It plays in the Keyblade Graveyard after all, and not in any badlands, so

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Yeah, I still think the Master of Masters is doing good things. The scene with Ava in Back Cover still proves to me that he still has a bit of good in him, as he is clearly very intent on keeping the world safe after the war is over. The way he just says "Ava... you're the only person for this." still gets to me, and I can't be content on saying he's just a straight-up bad guy yet. EVEN WITH the weird scene with Luxu.

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If the master actually want to make a world free from sin I bet I know what's in that box, ha ha, I called it first guys, that's Pandora's box and all the sins from the last age are gathered within it, that's why the sixth disciple was standing in the middle of it all in the beginning of BBS V.2 (yes I'm still calling it that...) he was gathering sin.
Somehow it can enter the box without opening it but it can't exit, the master knew this because he put the sins out there in the first place.
I told you guys it was Pandora's box but would you listen? Noooo!
ha ha, it's too perfect, sorry for the spoilers everybody :)
(I made a thread a while back about the symbolic references to Pandora's Box)

That remind me of Frost when the trolls say that Elsa need to learn to control her abilities with the power of love before scaring the shit out of her and tell her parents to lock her up her entire life.



Edit - Now the question become what sin is made of? his left eye perhaps? or the masters fractured heart?
When a heart is freed from it's vessel it return to KH from whence it was created, if the master did fractured his heart in to a billion pieces they should return to source once they are freed from their vessel as well - the keyblades rotting away in KBG.

Remind me of this swedish song every girl ran around singing when I was little lol;
"Everything can break apart, a heart can fall in a thousand pieces"

Edit 2 - He's perfectly replicating the events that happened outside with KH inside of himself, is this how he plan to be reborn as a God?
It's a really clever plan I most say.

Anyway, yes, I'm calling MoM a nobody, he perfectly strike me as someone lacking any sense of empathy the way he talk, he's always acting and never take anything seriously, if that was a real dude I wouldn't trust him with anything.
He's the perfect representation of our time, IT'S JUST A PRANK BRO!
That kind of attitude.

"I just did it for the lulz"
"I just did it for the lulz"
"I just did it for the lulz"

(that smiley movie sucked but I love that quote ha ha)

Edit 3 - The master could potentially still be a good guy somehow, I will not make up my mind 100% about that, perhaps he sacrificed his heart so that he could contain the darkness of the world but he was not the one who spread it.
Another thing though - Lux = Light - LuxU = Light in You?
Light outside vs light inside? just something to speculate about?

My thoughts exactly. Plus, when you really think about it, present day Ventus would have wanted to know a way of communicating with Terra and Aqua as opposed to signing to a permanent contract as a Dandelion with Master Ava (had he not originated from the X era).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc48B_-FwO4
Apparently the foretellers are all named after the deadly sins, yeah MoM is Pride.
The masters Lux (?) is in the box - sin (aka guilt, I forgot it was called that lol, but on a similar note Skuld mean guilt or debt in swedish)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GOCoDxvcFk&index=43&list=PLPCJnwphQDQcJOkD9OsmxxMHX7YHE4WP2

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Heh, them talking about second, third, kinda reminds me of that weird vision I had last year. Just like my weird vision of Link traveling across mountain tops and then he does in Breath of the Wild... weird coincidences... but thash just the result of limitations I'm sure.

I almost lost faith in Nomu-Nomu... but it seems my first impressions of him still holds. :3

I don't mean to sound crass, but we knew this well before the games even told us their confirmed names.

I feel bad for Roxas. He's Sora's nobody with Ventus' form.

Due to how the scene transition between Ventus's entrance and the MoM's conversation with Ava. I think Ventus is likely to be the 'child circled in red' on the list, that they were talking about. It seems a bit too convenient. It would also make Xehanort's interest in him make lot more sense.

Also heres a question: can someone get trapped in the Book of Prophecies itself?

Its just a question that I thought of when I saw the English subbed cutscenes on the KHInsider youtube video. It could explain why Ventus never aged between the Chi era and the present (if he originally came from the KH chi era) and the loss of his memory between the two era's.

Though this is just an idea that I came up with, not a theory.

I'm personally keeping the faith for the old theory that Yen Sid has the Book of Prophecy today, so I figure whoever gets the book will be the progenitor of his line of wielders.

An idea you came up with about a plot... is a theory, though? :confused:

I actually look at it from the opposite direction. I think he deliberately sets them up to fail. He makes sure there will be distrust between the Foretellers. Look at what he did in BC and how he divided the roles between Foretellers. And now he will only give 1 Foreteller a BoP and insists on that person being secret about it.

Well as much as all our protagonists like to find their friends, we know that they also don't mind helping the residents of the Worlds. In BBS Ventus was at first only searching for Terra, yet he helped enough people along the way. Why couldn't he do the same thing now? Would this mission take a bit longer? Yes. Do you think he thought about that? No. And then again, we still don't know how the state of his mind is and what he remembers and what not.

I had the same thought too. But wouldn't it be a bit too obvious that he would be the one to inherit a BoP?

IsuspectedIwassuper late but I never kept track of chi until about the time 2.8 was released and even now I've only seen the main cutscenes as that's about it.
But that make it pretty obvious that MoM / Superb is a villain and not the amazing savior or anything

I'm sure someone's already said this on a previous page (unfortunately, I'm too lazy to go back and look right now. Sorry about that. ^_^'), but the Master of Masters not wanting the Dandelions to have "memories of tragedy", or whatever, is probably why Player thought fighting in the Keyblade War was just a dream in Unchained Episode 0. His/her memory was most likely tampered with.

"intent of keeping the world safe" is a little questionable if he still insists on keeping the Unions and the Book of Prophecies around even in the Unchained realm where the Dandelions reside. The Dandelions are supposed to be one group with the task of keeping the light alive, so why split them apart into five competing factions yet again?
That reeks of either malevolent intentions or plain stupidity considering what happened in the original age of fairytales shown in Browser-Chi and if I am really honest I am getting a bit tired of even Lady Ava being nothing but a blank yes-woman who follows every single order of the MoM without once using her own brain totally contrary to what she told Ephemer in their conversation at the fountain.



And that has to do with Ventus being somehow present in the X[chi]-era exactly how?
Nowhere did anything relating to Roxas pop up as far as I can tell.



It is certainly a possibility although at the same time Ven, Ephemer or Skuld getting it might be too obvious, to "easily fitting" and thus it might be actually one of the two still unknown leaders who gets it.
The mere fact that Ventus somehow has a connection to at least the Unchained Realm and the X[chi]-era alone could explain Xehanort's higher than usual interest in him.
It may even be set up as yet another neat foil to Sora, who's supposed to be just an ordinary normal boy, as regardless of how exactly this will play out, I think one can be assured by now that Ventus is anything but a normal ordinary boy.

In Re: Coded Mickey, Donald and Goofy could get into the digitized journal, as could Maleficent and Pete.
Not to forget Pooh's book too, which IS a world inside a book to begin with (and I would wonder if anyone doubts that Pooh and his friends are real "people" with real hearts), so being inside the BoP or in one of the copies of it is surely possible.
We do not know specifics but it does seem that while one is inside one of these books, time on the outside continues to run so if someone would stay in the book (and it wouldn't get destroyed somehow) he/she could very well "endure" whole millenniums passing by on the outside without truly aging, similar to how the Realm of Sleep works as well since worlds there are also kept in "limbo" with real time not flowing at all.

A theory is just a more fleshed out idea with some additional material like possible hints or evidence added on top, lol, so yours is certainly the basis of a theory in any case. ^__^



When there are news around more often than not the thread moves so fast forward that some things get buried either way, so it should be fine.

Good observation, that would indeed be a fitting explanation for these parts of Unchained 0.
Having his/her memory being tampered with would however rule out him/her being one of the five new leaders as the MoM said that

Also, even if everything is annihilated, it is to be kept a secret from everyone but the five Union Leaders.

,
implying that the five chosen would retain the memories of the downfall of the old world and the gruesome final battle.

Or there's the obvious explanation that Unchained 0 happens before the real battle, and just like has happened before in X[chi], the player is dreaming of events they otherwise wouldn't know of, ie. they dreamed the future before it happened. So while it hadn't happened yet, and what we played was a dream, it will eventually happen.

Is it possible that Unchained took place in the real world and the dandelions were sent in to the book of prophecies where they created the worlds outside from within the book?
I'm guessing not considering how we only visit "holographic" worlds and never actually leave Daybreak Town completely but I found that to be an interesting idea.

This came to me after reading up the scene:

You think MX took interest in Ven because he was from the age of the first Keyblade war?

@Sephiroth I think Vasquez probably brought up Roxas, because if Ventus is a Dandelion... That means the poor kid even moreso now never had the chance to have his own identity, if he looks like a guy from maybe thousands of years ago in the past.

And, yeah. At this point, I'm really thinking that Player won't be one of the leaders--as much as it kind of sucks. Mainly because if he/she was, and--for whatever reason--he/she was the one to get the Book of Prophecies, we'd want to read through it in a menu and we all know the game won't let us do that. So having Player not be a leader just eliminates any chance of that--and us players complaining about not having information that we should canonically have, if he/she was a leader.

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Honestly, reading you guys' theories about the Dandelions maybe being in the Book of Prophecies makes me think of Hirokey's idea about all of KH taking place in a storybook. I swear that that theory makes more and more sense to me everyday. It would explain a lot of the more questionable things in this series. o_0

Also, if the Book of Prophecies is in KHIII--and the Dandelions are in it, or whatever--please don't make us have to protect it from Heartless, like we had to Pooh's storybook. That's all I ask. Learn from your mistakes, SDG! And make sure that nothing can happen to that book!

Uhm wat?
That like doesn't make any sense?
In regards to Roxas there doesn't change anything at all since Ventus and him never had any connection or similarity beyond the appearance, and that whole appearance-thing is something that was already there since Ven was introduced in KH 2 FM/BBS. Just because we're now very likely to learn more about Ventus' background doesn't really mean any change in his (so far non-existent anyways) relationship with Roxas.
Furthermore, Roxas already has his own identity, he developed one remember?
These theories that he gets into yet another identity crisis because of Ventus are already around ever since it was made clear that they're two entirely different beings, making it in no form less of a total rehash/repeat of an arc he already went through in Days and KH 2, which would essentially undo all the character development he had, including the events shown with Data-Sora and Sora in Re: Coded and DDD.




Urgh. It being all in a storybook is, at least in my view, only one step above the dreaded "is was all a dream"-twist, so I certainly hope that won't be the case.

I'd say that the BoP will be certainly in KH III in some form, although I certainly do not see it kept anywhere near SDG like Pooh's book since unlike this one, the BoP is way more crucial to the universe at large and could probably even count as a sort of weapon considering its abilities.

"Make sure nothing can happen to that book", lol, considering the tragedies that have already been transpired thanks to this book and the people who blindly follow it I personally would probably rather tempted to deliberately destroy it in order to allow the universe a truly free future rather than a predetermined one.