Kingdom Hearts IV and Missing-Link officially announced!
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Square Enix has released a new trailer for Kingdom Hearts's 20th anniversary, confirming the following:
- Kingdom Hearts Dark Road's final update will be releasing in August 2022
- A new mobile game, Kingdom Hearts Missing-Link will have a closed beta test in 2022
- The announcement of KINGDOM HEARTS IV!
SE states that the footage of KH4 was rendered in Unreal Engine 4, but development has since moved to Unreal Engine 5, so expect the game to look even better than it already does. Also, KH4 will not be present at E3 (via @aibo_ac7)
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Kingdom Hearts IV looks great, lets see much time Sora spends in Quadratum. Not sure about the Missing Link mobile game, I'd rather have a KHUX remake in that engine.
Kingdom Hearts IV, while the game was expected, what they showed sure was not! I can't even believe what I'm seeing.
And I knew Hades would be involved! I knew it!
Boo Missing Link though. We don't need another mobile game.
Ok, my take on each thing:
Dark Road: Glad to see more of it, shame we're getting it a whole year late, but whatever, looks interesting.
Missing-Link: On the one hand, I hate seeing another mobile game, but I'm more forgiving that it's at least 3D like the main games. The chibi art style was what I hated most about the other titles (and I hope they don't go crazy with the gatcha stuff this time, but I know they probably will).
K. H. 4.: HOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHITHOLYSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quadratum, what to say. Realistic
Literally KH versus 13 lol. I loved how Sora looks though and Strelitzia in 3d?!!
Holy shit, it's made on UE4 but it's moving to Unreal Engine 5. Omg omg omg
I AM DYING
Incredibly brazen of Nomura to simply make versus 13 in KH, from the change in the logo, Sora's hairstyle changing DRASTICALLY and ofc, Quadratum. Good for him! He gets to make his pet project that he's wanted for years. I'm just not super keen on it, although I'll reserve further judgement til I see more information.
I loved the ending tho haha, Big Brained Donald and Goofy going to see Hades
We live in a world where Kingdom Hearts IV exists. Kingdom Hearts Missing Link seems to be Square Enix's answer to Genshin Impact.
It wouldn't be a Kingdom Hearts trailer without a lot of questions now, would it? Strelizia is back and I knew she wouldn't just be permanently killed off in Union Cross. I'm more puzzled as to why Hades is in this game, are the Disney Villain council returning?
We live in a world where Kingdom Hearts IV exists. Kingdom Hearts Missing Link seems to be Square Enix's answer to Genshin Impact.
It wouldn't be a Kingdom Hearts trailer without a lot of questions now, would it? Strelizia is back and I knew she wouldn't just be permanently killed off in Union Cross. I'm more puzzled as to why Hades is in this game, are the Disney Villain council returning?
Quadratum seems to be some sort of the afterlife or maybe purgatory. Strelitzia and Sora died and have wound up here.
Hades is in it because he deals with Death. Who better to try and find someone who died than him?
Game look amazing and it's still far away from release.
not a fan of sora's design. it's like what they did to ash in pokemon sun and moon anime.
Quadratum seems to be some sort of the afterlife or maybe purgatory. Strelitzia and Sora died and have wound up here.
Hades is in it because he deals with Death. Who better to try and find someone who died than him?
I never considered that, that's really smart Disney integration.
II think less than half game is in Quadratum. 1/3? Or less
Disney probably cannot give carte blanche to Nomura .
I to be honest I want a classic KH.
So, Yozora was right when told Sora that is not what I look like....
Because Strelitzia seems a bit much different too
I never considered that, that's really smart Disney integration.
It's been on my mind since the death thing came up. Nomura loves Hades and I thought that having Hades included would be a smart idea. That and Coco.
So sad that Kingdom Hearts went from a series of linear titles to a mess of mobile game-as-a-service cutscenes that I have no way to actually play in order or recommend to people. And yet people complaiend about the series being "impossible to follow from console to console" when it was just a linear story over different systems, but people never seem to bring up what these games are doing to the readibility.
That's just something I'm forced to think about all the time. KH4 looks amazing.
It already looks really good but I wonder how much of a difference moving to unreal 5 will make.
Holy shit, it's made on UE4 but it's moving to Unreal Engine 5. Omg omg omg
From where comes this info?
so.... Quadratum is basically G rated Daten City? modern town that is actually Purgatory?
okay so, now we see Brain and Strelitzia, skuld arc when?
From where comes this info?
"KH4 has been announced!
I have a video of the event, so I'll try to explain it.
KH4 public video is made with Unreal 4, but in reality, it will be moved to Unreal 5, and the video will be more amazing.
KH4 will not be at E3."
"KH4 has been announced!
I have a video of the event, so I'll try to explain it.
KH4 public video is made with Unreal 4, but in reality, it will be moved to Unreal 5, and the video will be more amazing.
KH4 will not be at E3."
So this means, KH4 won’t be a 2022/early 2023 release. Thank you!
I really hope that the engine change doesn’t cause any big problems like KH3
I hope KHIV doesn't take 5 years! Strelitzia and Sora look gorgeous and they'll look even better in the finished game! I'm glad Donald and Goofy will still be in the game, I hope they find their way to Quadratum. Hades is related to the afterlife so everything points in that direction.
Missing Link looks kinda weird. Those summoned figures in battles... medals digivolved to amiibos, lol. On the positive side, I wanted to know more about Brain and ancient Scala ad Caelum so I'm still interested, but I guess I'll play the Youtube Edition. It should be a switch game but oh well.
I really hope that the engine change doesn’t cause any big problems like KH3
It shouldn't. As far as I know UE4 can be easily migrated to UE5.
II think less than half game is in Quadratum. 1/3? Or less
Disney probably cannot give carte blanche to Nomura .
I think Quadratum is the equivalent of Twilight Town/The World that Never Was for Kingdom Hearts IV.
It's been on my mind since the death thing came up. Nomura loves Hades and I thought that having Hades included would be a smart idea. That and Coco.
If Coco ends up being a Disney world for Kingdom Hearts IV, I will lose my mind. That world is the perfect opportunity to reintroduce Nightmare Dream Eaters as the enemies that populate the world as they're basically Alebrijes.
HOLY...HOLY...HOLY. Well I stand corrected folks, looks like the next game really was KHIV after all. And by god, does it look incredible. This has to be the most Final Fantasy-like KH game we've got yet. As for Missing Link, not sure how I feel about this one yet. I figured there would be another mobile title, but I can't say I am digging the look of this one. Granted, I do realize it's still early in development, but the environments look rather half-assed. Scala in particular looks like a Gmod map. That being said, I will wait till it is released to form judgement. The KH hype train has returned at last folks!
Looks like it is in "early development" as well.
TOKYO, JAPAN (April 10, 2022) – Today, as part of the 20th anniversary celebration of the KINGDOM HEARTS franchise, SQUARE ENIX® and Disney announced that KINGDOM HEARTS IV, the newest installment in the beloved RPG series, is in early development, and also revealed a brand-new mobile game, KINGDOM HEARTS Missing-Link.
In the announcement trailer, Sora makes a triumphant return with an updated look at the beginning of an epic new storyline titled the “Lost Master Arc.” Beginning with Sora facing off in a boss battle against a giant enemy, players are introduced to the Quadratum, a large, expansive city set in a gorgeous, realistic world unlike anything ever seen before in the KINGDOM HEARTS series. Fans will be excited to see the return of Sora’s well-known companions Donald and Goofy, in addition to the first appearance of Strelitzia, a mysterious new character who appears before Sora in this strange new setting.
Fans can also look forward to KINGDOM HEARTS Missing-Link, an all-new game for iOS and Android devices, which allows players to embark on adventures from the realm of Scala ad Caelum into the real world. Players will be able to engage in exhilarating battles against the Heartless and discover a new, original story. A closed beta test is planned for 2022*.
“We’re thrilled to celebrate the series’ 20th anniversary with the announcement of two new KINGDOM HEARTS titles,” said KINGDOM HEARTS series Brand Manager, Ichiro Hazama. “We’d like to thank the fans for all of their support over the years, and we can’t wait for them to experience all that’s to come for Sora.”
“Sora is an original Disney video game hero like no other, beloved by our team, and fans across the world. We’ve been honored to work with Tetsuya Nomura and his team for two decades to introduce these original stories of discovery, courage, and friendship,” said Nana Gadd, Director, Walt Disney Games. “This glimpse into Sora’s next adventure is just the beginning – we can’t wait to show more when the time is right.”
Additionally, the KINGDOM HEARTS team announced that the highly anticipated final chapter of KINGDOM HEARTS DARK ROAD will be released in August 2022 as a free update to the KINGDOM HEARTS Union χ Dark Road app.
SQUARE ENIX and Disney hosted the KINGDOM HEARTS 20th Anniversary event in Tokyo, Japan where together with fans, they celebrated the past 20 years of the beloved franchise and provided a first look at what’s to come next. The event also featured a live music performance, a showcase of stained-glass artworks and on-stage appearances from Series Director, Tetsuya Nomura, series’ composer, Yoko Shimomura, and other development members. Fans can enjoy photos from the event on the official social channels and look forward to a recording of the event which will be shared at a later date.
I'm definitely more excited for the Q&A, hope that's in the recording and I hope they picked good questions
Let us see the Dream Eaters
Wow, another mobile game. heh Will my phone pull her. Well, KH4 looks amazing, but nothing is clear. I expected more, but thanks to that too.))
HADESSSSSSSSS
So Sora's living a new life in a new apartment, with a new girl. I can feel Kairi's jealousy burning, oh the fanfics are about to explode.
I'm unsure of the Unreality stuff yet. I think I need to see more of it before I get too excited. The things I liked most are Strelitzia, which is funny considering I've been so neutral on her before. This seems like a good chance to finally get to know her as a character and I'm all for it.
The second is Hades! If they are using him to see if Sora is dead or not then good on Square for finally using Disney in the larger story of Kingdom Hearts rather then filler. That is what I want. If they tie the Disney worlds in with Sora's disappearance then I will be very happy.
So I guess it wouldn’t be too much of a stretch here to guess that Sora somehow is Yozora, right?
late 2024 release if we are lucky.
how they gonna make yozora, riku and the foretellers fit in? unless riku and yozora stuff is post KH4
Looks like it is in "early development" as well.
I thought this was the case seeing as there was no release window confirmed. The development of Kingdom Hearts IV shouldn't take as long as Kingdom Hearts III did when it switched from Luminous Engine to Unreal Engine.
Fans will be excited to see the return of Sora’s well-known companions Donald and Goofy, in addition to the first appearance of Strelitzia, a mysterious new character who appears before Sora in this strange new setting.
This comment gives "Kingdom Hearts III comes after Kingdom Hearts II" vibes.
“Sora is an original Disney video game hero like no other, beloved by our team, and fans across the world. We’ve been honored to work with Tetsuya Nomura and his team for two decades to introduce these original stories of discovery, courage, and friendship,” said Nana Gadd, Director, Walt Disney Games. “This glimpse into Sora’s next adventure is just the beginning – we can’t wait to show more when the time is right.”
Here it is, Disney outright confirming that they own Sora and the rest of the original elements of Kingdom Hearts. I don't know why some people still assume Kingdom Hearts is shared partnership copyright.
Always nice to dust off this ol' account every once in a blue moon for a huge annoucement. Was a kid when kh1 first came out. Feels like this franchise is growing alongside me. Have to say though, Dont like how its more final fantasy than Kingdom hearts. Granted its only the introduction world. Also Scala Ad Caleum looks very very bad in the mobile gameplay. Like a D tier List mobile game with generic hallway fights
I'm wondering how they Disney world aspect will work. Part of the fun with new KH titles is predicting/speculation what worlds will be in but now. I don't know what to say in that aspect lol..
Always nice to dust off this ol' account every once in a blue moon for a huge annoucement. Was a kid when kh1 first came out. Feels like this franchise is growing alongside me. Have to say though, Dont like how its more final fantasy than Kingdom hearts. Granted its only the introduction world. Also Scala Ad Caleum looks very very bad in the mobile gameplay. Like a D tier List mobile game with generic hallway fights
Agreed, the Scala in the mobile game looks a bit rough. But honestly, I'm just glad it's a 3D action game and not that godawful chibi crap anymore. I couldn't stand that shit. I'm hoping this is just early test footage and they can polish the world up some more. Mainly, I just hope it doesn't play like UX/DR and that it doesn't have the same HORRENDOUS update schedule (I'm actually pissed the more I think about it that we still have to wait till August for the final Dark Road update. Like seriously, guys, I know covid happened, but there isn't even any gameplay to program. That whole project was a dumpster fire from beginning to end).
That horrible news drought was worth it! All that pain and agony of waiting, and now we got rewarded!
I'm wondering how they Disney world aspect will work. Part of the fun with new KH titles is predicting/speculation what worlds will be in but now. I don't know what to say in that aspect lol..
I'm anticipating there are few things they could do with this. One is that Quadratum could be just a prologue world, and then maybe a hub world you return to, but Sora will manage to return to his original realm early in the game and we can explore Disney worlds, but frankly, I don't see that as likely, and I think Sora will be here for most of the game.
Another possibility is that they make the Quadratum realm itself an entire universe full of other "worlds" to explore, maybe based on FF games, which would be super-tight (and give me a good excuse to go back to playing FF again, it's been so many years). In that case, I imagine all the Disney realm stuff would just get told in cutscenes.
Or, another possibility (and this is the one I'm hoping for) is that we alternate back and forth between playing as Sora in Quadratum and playing as other characters in the Realm of Light, and they all get together at the end.
Really looking forward to Kingdom Hearts IV. After years of the Dark Seeker saga, it's really exciting to see a new era of the franchise begin and it looks pretty cool too.
The mobile game doesn't look too bad but I'm not sure if I'd even play it. I'm not really much of a mobile game guy and the last time I played one (Pokémon Masters) I petered out pretty quickly after a few weeks.
The game is in early development? What were they doing since 2019? I expected the game to be near to completion
I don’t want to wait to play the game till I’m in my late 20s (I’m 24)
The game is in early development? What did they do since 2019? I expected the game to be near to completion
I don’t want to wait to play the game till I’m in my late 20s (I’m 24)
Assuming we still visit Disney worlds in the game, maybe it's a mix of deciding which Disney worlds to select for the game alongside Kingdom Hearts IV transition from Unreal Engine 4 to Unreal Engine 5.
I remember the day when Big Hero 6 was announced back in D23 2015 and the development of that world started around the same time as the announcement so I'm not faulting Square Enix for taking their time with this game.
The game is in early development? What did they do since 2019? I expected the game to be near to completion
I don’t want to wait to play the game till I’m in my late 20s (I’m 24)
At least you’re still 24. How do you think the rest of us feel? ? We want to see the series finale before we die from overworking into our 80’s.
I agree though. What have they been doing since 2019??
The game is in early development? What did they do since 2019? I expected the game to be near to completion
I don’t want to wait to play the game till I’m in my late 20s (I’m 24)
Vacations, ReMind, Melody of Memory, FF7R and other projects... I mean, the development could be a bit more advanced but it's not like they've been doing nothing in 3 years.
If Donald and Goofy are reaching out to afterlife experts, I hope we see Dr. Facilier show up!
Assuming we still visit Disney worlds in the game, maybe it's a mix of deciding which Disney worlds to select for the game alongside Kingdom Hearts IV transition from Unreal Engine 4 to Unreal Engine 5.
I remember the day when Big Hero 6 was announced back in D23 2015 and the development of that world started around the same time as the announcement so I'm not faulting Square Enix for taking their time with this game.
But still three years are a really long period. Considering they already have the KH3 assets I really expected the next game to release very soon or at least in early 2023. But I’m gonna wait till we have more informations. At this point don’t even know on which consoles the game releases
What were they doing since 2019?
Well, I'm not sure you heard, but after 2019, something called covid happened.
In all seriousness though, making these games takes a LOT of time before they can even start on the real development. The last couple years—which were indeed heavily strained by the pandemic, so it's not like they were just twiddling their thumbs—were probably spent working out the story, the setting, ironing out legal stuff with Disney, programming, testing out the brand-new UE5 to explore its capabilities. Cut them a bit of slack. The game looks like it's going to be enormous, and "early development" could mean a lot of things.
If Donald and Goofy are reaching out to afterlife experts, I hope we see Dr. Facilier show up!
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Besides making remind and MoM, the writers and designers have to actually write and design things before the whole team can start putting them into the game. This takes time and consideration. Those writers and designers were also working on UX + Dark Road even if the functional dev teams for those games are tiny, and now Missing-Link as well.
If Missing-Link wasn't a fake phone game, you'd be getting your new KH action-RPG this year, and you would have already gotten another one (Dark Road).
"Early development" shouldn't mean "wait 4-5 years" and in fact didn't at all until recently, games were made pretty quickly in the past. Ideally they can still be made quickly now, it's something that directors are constantly wishing for. Let's see what happens.
But still three years are a really long period. Considering they already have the KH3 assets I really expected the next game to release very soon or at least in early 2023. But I’m gonna wait till we have more informations. At this point don’t even know on which consoles the game releases
The KH3 assets don't mean anything. This game is switching to UE5, which means all the models from KH3 are useless. They basically have to build EVERYTHING from the ground up.
The KH3 assets don't mean anything. This game is switching to UE5, which means all the models from KH3 are useless. They basically have to build EVERYTHING from the ground up.
That’s not true at all. Epic have included asset migration from UE4 to UE5 to make it easy to move projects over.
KH4 looks amazing but one final question remains. Will Missing Link have a custom player character? My favorite part of Union X was the fact that it was basically a way to fans to insert themselves into the plot
But still three years are a really long period. Considering they already have the KH3 assets I really expected the next game to release very soon or at least in early 2023. But I’m gonna wait till we have more informations. At this point don’t even know on which consoles the game releases
Trust me, 2023 is too early. Speaking from a guy who spent years in the rough waiting for each installment. i expect early 2024, which is still quite optimistic considering nomura. But the fact that assets are already there and the team is familiar with the engine. Only improvements are needed instead of building from the ground up, im looking favourably.
I just hope that there will be Disney Worlds for Kingdom Hearts IV oh well no Kairi game before KH4... And who was speaking to Donald and Goofy?
I just hope that there will be Disney Worlds for Kingdom Hearts IV oh well no Kairi game before KH4... And who was speaking to Donald and Goofy?
Hades was speaking to Donald and Goofy.
That’s not true at all. Epic have included asset migration from UE4 to UE5 to make it easy to move projects over.
Ok, fair enough. I'll admit my ignorance to the game making process. Nevertheless, it looks like a LOT of the game will take place in Quadratum, which mostly will have to be built from the ground up. We had Shibuya in the Secret Episode, but that and Yozora are really the only assets they can carry over.
Hades was speaking to Donald and Goofy.
Wait Hades? Uh-oh
Ok, fair enough. I'll admit my ignorance to the game making process. Nevertheless, it looks like a LOT of the game will take place in Quadratum, which mostly will have to be built from the ground up. We had Shibuya in the Secret Episode, but that and Yozora are really the only assets they can carry over.
To be honest, this time I really do wonder if the Quadratum part is going to be open world like? I mean, normally KH isn’t the type of game to be open world but in the setting of Quadratum it could be fitting if the majority of the game takes places there.
Did you also notice the style change between the Quadratum part and the Donald & Goofy part? The latter looked like the KH3 style whereas the former had a completely new style
To be honest, this time I really do wonder if the Quadratum part is going to be open world like? I mean, normally KH isn’t the type of game to be open world but in the setting of Quadratum it could be fitting if the majority of the game takes places there.
Did you also notice the style change between the Quadratum part and the Donald & Goofy part? The latter looked like the KH3 style whereas the former had a completely new style
Yeah. I speculate Quadratum can be more open-world, because, unlike the main KH universe, there wasn't any cataclysmic event that separated the worlds, so it should be all one landmass to travel freely over. Personally, though, I'm not much of an open-world guy myself, and I'd prefer a world-selection type setup (especially for when you need to return quickly to other areas for sidequests and level grinding).
As for the Disney realm, I'm hoping that gameplay gets split between playing as Sora in Quadratum and playing as other characters back in the RoL. What I'm worried about is the possibility of the entire game taking place in Quadratum with only cutscenes interspersed showing the other characters doing stuff back home. Don't get me wrong, Quadratum looks sick, but I'm hoping for some variety in the gameplay locations.
Missing Link may be a mobile game, but at least it's 3D. Fucking finally. Hope it ends up on consoles like Genshin did, I guess.
And Sora has completed his transition from Disney Boi to FF lad. Lookin' sharp.
Why does the new Darkside look like CHAOS
I'm anticipating there are few things they could do with this. One is that Quadratum could be just a prologue world, and then maybe a hub world you return to, but Sora will manage to return to his original realm early in the game and we can explore Disney worlds, but frankly, I don't see that as likely, and I think Sora will be here for most of the game.
Another possibility is that they make the Quadratum realm itself an entire universe full of other "worlds" to explore, maybe based on FF games, which would be super-tight (and give me a good excuse to go back to playing FF again, it's been so many years). In that case, I imagine all the Disney realm stuff would just get told in cutscenes.
Or, another possibility (and this is the one I'm hoping for) is that we alternate back and forth between playing as Sora in Quadratum and playing as other characters in the Realm of Light, and they all get together at the end.
The last one looks likely. I just have a hard time seeing a KH where there's no Disney worlds to explore. Though I guess I wouldn't mind as long as they found ways to diversify the locations. I'm not sure how with a more realistic city location lol...
Agreed, the Scala in the mobile game looks a bit rough. But honestly, I'm just glad it's a 3D action game and not that godawful chibi crap anymore. I couldn't stand that shit. I'm hoping this is just early test footage and they can polish the world up some more. Mainly, I just hope it doesn't play like UX/DR and that it doesn't have the same HORRENDOUS update schedule (I'm actually pissed the more I think about it that we still have to wait till August for the final Dark Road update. Like seriously, guys, I know covid happened, but there isn't even any gameplay to program. That whole project was a dumpster fire from beginning to end).
I heard there was going to be gameplay for the offline version of DR. Also, the team for that is notoriously small, there is no revenue since it's going to be free/all paid elements were terminated months ago, and the version of flash they used for the game is apparently very finicky to work with. The higher ups would probably not be happy with too much attention paid to this game.
It's actually probably easier to work on a 3D mobile game than the paper mache style of UXDR.
Missing Link may be a mobile game, but at least it's 3D. Fucking finally.
And Sora has completed his transition from Disney Boi to FF lad.
Why does the new Darkside look like CHAOS
For me he's Dormin from Shadow of the Colossus.
I heard there was going to be gameplay for the offline version of DR. Also, the team for that is notoriously small, there is no revenue since it's going to be free/all paid elements were terminated months ago, and the version of flash they used for the game is apparently very finicky to work with.
It's actually probably easier to work on a 3D mobile game than the paper mache style of UXDR.
Well, I guess that's my biggest problem with the X games, then. Kingdom Hearts games shouldn't be getting made by a team that small. KH deserves a budget, and it's not like they can't afford it. I just feel like the mobile games were FAR cheaper than they had any right to be, especially with how important the story ended up becoming. In the future, all KH games need to be given the resources, money, and care that they deserve. No more garage teams, SE isn't some indie company, they can do better.
What if KH4 is going to work like DDD? We know that Riku is in Quadratum, but we don’t know if there are two alternate realities of this world (like the worlds in DDD).
What if Riku arrives in the Yozora version of Quadratum and Sora in that version of Quadratum where the TWEWY cast lives? If we consider what Strelitzia said, that this world for the two of them works like an afterworld…
What they showed was certainly impressive. That honestly looked crazy and a big evolution to KH.
But goddamn if I'm disappointed at it not having even a release year planned.
I got so drained with KH3 hype cycle that I really can't bring myself to be excited at yet another "In development" trailer from them. And what they showed looked very very early, highly curated also. Makes me feel this won't be out untill like late 2024 at the earliest.
I…don’t know how to feel about this, tbh. I’ll wait until we get more information [S]maybe at E3 lol[/S] on KH4 before I give my opinion.
You all need to prepare yourselves for the development duration this is going to go under. It seems like he’s completely rebuilding the series identity, very ambitious and that trailer gave very kh3 2013 announcement vibes.
I’d say holiday 2024 or 2025 at BEST. I’d say longer if it wasnt for unreal and knowing they won’t have to scrap two years of work again.
2019 was remind.
2020 and 2021 was Covid so they likely got one years worth of development out of this time and I’m sure a TON more time went into pre-production and reimagining the series direction than ever before.
Im very confident this game is at least three years away
Well, I guess that's my biggest problem with the X games, then. Kingdom Hearts games shouldn't be getting made by a team that small. KH deserves a budget, and it's not like they can't afford it. I just feel like the mobile games were FAR cheaper than they had any right to be, especially with how important the story ended up becoming. In the future, all KH games need to be given the resources, money, and care that they deserve. No more garage teams, SE isn't some indie company, they can do better.
The trick here is that while the development of the stuff we actually care about may be small and cheap, the majority of money and effort isn't being put there. It's put into the gacha nonsense algorithm, in behavioral training to figure out how to best manipulate people into playing and spreading the games, and in most cases it was put there many years ago. Then many other people need to maintain its functioning by activating new nothing "raid" events where you fight some stupid watermelons.
You absolutely can make action KH games on a small budget with a small team. They did it on the DS. But they're not going to do it now, for entirely industry-related reasons.
What if KH4 is going to work like DDD? We know that Riku is in Quadratum, but we don’t know if there are two alternate realities of this world (like the worlds in DDD).
What if Riku arrives in the Yozora version of Quadratum and Sora in that version of Quadratum where the TWEWY cast lives? If we consider what Strelitzia said, that this world for the two of them works like an afterworld…
I don't think it works like that. Sora and Riku traversed different worlds in DDD because Riku was in Sora's dreams, so he was experiencing dream-versions of worlds that Sora was traveling through. But we know that Riku is going straight to Quadratum at the end of MoM, so he and Sora aren't asleep, and neither of them is in the other's dreams. So, if Riku shows up, it should be to the same Quadratum that Sora and Yozora are in.
The trick here is that while the development of the stuff we actually care about may be small and cheap, the majority of money and effort isn't being put there. It's put into the gacha nonsense algorithm, in behavioral training to figure out how to best manipulate people into playing and spreading the games, and in most cases it was put there many years ago. Then many other people need to maintain its functioning by activating new nothing "raid" events where you fight some stupid watermelons.
You absolutely can make action KH games on a small budget with a small team. They did it on the DS. But they're not going to do it now, for entirely industry-related reasons.
You can't seriously tell me that Days and Re: Coded were made with the same amount of money and staff as UX. They're night and day. Plus, I'm pretty sure those games had many more staff working on them, and it definitely shows. KH games need to have mechanical depth, and they need to look and feel like a game. I'm aware that gatcha stuff is the trend in the industry nowadays, but that doesn't mean they need to be that cheap about it. The best way to attract people to gatcha traps is to make the games themselves look appealing. That's why Dark Road failed as badly as it did, because people knew it was gatcha but also didn't like the way it looked enough to put up with it. Missing-Link looks far better in that respect, though we'll see just how greedy a game it is.
Btw, this is probably obvious, but it's Kingdom Hearts 4 (shi (death)). Taking place in a world that Strelitzia calls a "world of death", specifically in SHIbuya, and specifically a version of SHIbuya with TWEWY callbacks, which was a game about Reapers. And Sora was sent here after being "ferried" by the reaper-like Lich Heartless. And then Hades in the end.
Death is the main motif here, despite the translation pretending it isn't ("afterworld"? Are they going to censor the whole game like that?). What we know about Versus XIII also involved a death goddess and a gate to the "Kingdom of the Dead", with Noctis and Stella being two people who could see things related to that, and now we have Sora and Strelitzia being the two people who consider this place the "world of death".
EDIT: AND, Strelitzia is the sister of the scythe-wielding Reaper-associated Marluxia.
You absolutely can make action KH games on a small budget with a small team. They did it on the DS. But they're not going to do it now, for entirely industry-related reasons.
Square Enix wants the Gacha money, so I wouldn't be surprised if the gacha push is entirely because of the higher ups. There are so many FF Gachas (and other SE ones not FF) that I'm pretty sure about that assumption. Gacha may be the worst thing to happen to many of these series.
What if KH4 is going to work like DDD? We know that Riku is in Quadratum, but we don’t know if there are two alternate realities of this world (like the worlds in DDD).
What if Riku arrives in the Yozora version of Quadratum and Sora in that version of Quadratum where the TWEWY cast lives? If we consider what Strelitzia said, that this world for the two of them works like an afterworld…
How many afterworlds does KH have?
Aside from the obvious Underworld in the Olympus world, there's the Final World (more like a limbo), Kingdom Hearts itself where hearts go after accepting death... What are the specific conditions to go to Quadratum instead? Strelitzia was merely killed, Sora misused the PoW. If Sora had not saved Kairi, would she have appeared in Quadratum as well?
For an unrechable place, another side of reality where voices cannot reach etc. it looks like anybody can randomly go there, lol.
How many afterworlds does KH have?
Aside from the obvious Underworld in the Olympus world, there's the Final World (more like a limbo), Kingdom Hearts itself where hearts go after accepting death... What are the specific conditions to go to Quadratum instead? Strelitzia was merely killed, Sora misused the PoW. If Sora had not saved Kairi, would she have appeared in Quadratum as well?
For an unrechable place, another side of reality where voices cannot reach etc. it looks like anybody can randomly go there, lol.
Watch the dead Dark Road cast be there too lol
You can't seriously tell me that Days and Re: Coded were made with the same amount of money and staff as UX. They're night and day.
I didn't say that at all, but you're also still missing the point. Yes, the difference between Days and UX is night and day. This is because the former is a video game. All the resources that went towards making Days went towards making the game, Days. A small fraction of the resources that went to UX have anything to do with Nomura + his co-writers + their animators. The vast majority of the resources are going to go to managing all the extraneous nonsense. This is because gacha games are not actually games, they're algorithms meant to take advantage of you. This is the point of UX existing.
If you gave the game more budget, all of it would still go to the gacha stuff. You can make a heck of a lot with a small budget if you're actually allowed to make a video game.
Shibuya once again being an afterlife...
Well, guess we're all zeptograms again.
Watch the dead Dark Road cast be there too lol
For sure. Maybe Lauriam and Elrena as well. They're trying to find Strelitzia after all.
How many afterworlds does KH have?
Aside from the obvious Underworld in the Olympus world, there's the Final World (more like a limbo), Kingdom Hearts itself where hearts go after accepting death... What are the specific conditions to go to Quadratum instead? Strelitzia was merely killed, Sora misused the PoW. If Sora had not saved Kairi, would she have appeared in Quadratum as well?
For an unrechable place, another side of reality where voices cannot reach etc. it looks like anybody can randomly go there, lol.
So, we have to remember, at the end of UX, the MoM took what seems to be a Strelitzia clone with him somewhere. I'm almost certain the Strelitzia in this trailer is that clone, made from the data copy of her that was in Daybreak Town. This is NOT the original Strelitzia who was killed by Darkness.
Watch the dead Dark Road cast be there too lol
Pretty likely, it is also very possible that the Foretellers were there until Luxu summoned them back at the very end of KH III.
In the UX finale the Master of Masters also claimed to Luxu that he has set up back up plans to save those who are sacrificed for the greater goal so this might all play into it.
After all, in the KH Universe memories are immortal and even a completely lost heart can be restored when enough of them are gathered and given time to grow.
.... I think KH4 is gonna make me into a KH3 apologist
ARE YOU READY!!!
I am so ready! just wondering though does anyone else want Tiana as a new princess of Heart?
So Sora's living a new life in a new apartment, with a new girl. I can feel Kairi's jealousy burning, oh the fanfics are about to explode.
I'm unsure of the Unreality stuff yet. I think I need to see more of it before I get too excited. The things I liked most are Strelitzia, which is funny considering I've been so neutral on her before. This seems like a good chance to finally get to know her as a character and I'm all for it.
The second is Hades! If they are using him to see if Sora is dead or not then good on Square for finally using Disney in the larger story of Kingdom Hearts rather then filler. That is what I want. If they tie the Disney worlds in with Sora's disappearance then I will be very happy.
the fanfic writers are gonna have a field day with Strelitzia being back . However I made some fanfics in the past that assumed that Strelitzia was sorta gone for good any tips on how to fix that I like to keep my fics mostly canon compliant so any advice would be appreciated
The Disney worlds being more relevant is also a huge boon for them and us. imagining the new interactions the original characters can have with the Disney characters when they need help with something is fun and the story potential is endless. I have a feeling the world order is about to shatter. With Donald and Goofy visiting Hades in the trailer potential for worlds based on coco, princess and the frog and soul goes through the roof and I can’t wait to see them. I feel like a world based on Coco would suit the sea salt trio the best because of the concept of second death and the theme of remembering your loved ones perhaps they’ll visit during Axel and Isa’s search for Skuld/ subject x. For princess and the frog though Kairi definitely should be the one to visit because Tiana has the potential to be another new princess of heart and I can imagine a scenario where through Kairi‘s experiences in this world she will realize exactly how close she is to becoming a master and that she is literally almost there. I’m not sure about soul given how new it is but through it they can probably flesh out how powerful hearts can be when connected and maybe even lingering wills through the sparks. Either way I am so ready for the new wild ride Nomura is no doubt taking us on.
So, we have to remember, at the end of UX, the MoM took what seems to be a Strelitzia clone with him somewhere. I'm almost certain the Strelitzia in this trailer is that clone, made from the data copy of her that was in Daybreak Town. This is NOT the original Strelitzia who was killed by Darkness.
Good point. I don't think there's enough evidence to say whether she's the real Strelitzia or the data clone so you may be right. I supossed she's the real one because she said Quadratum is an afterlife for her and Sora. She's aware of her own death. That does not exclude the possibility of her being the copy, though.
Wondering if Strelitzia will actually be a party member while Sora is in quadratum. I like the idea of them partying up and organically exploring and getting to know each other while they're there. It's gonna annoy me if she's just in cutscenes to just give exposition and then disappears until she's needed for the next exposition dump.
Wondering if Strelitzia will actually be a party member while Sora is in quadratum. I like the idea of them partying up and organically exploring and getting to know each other while they're there. It's gonna annoy me if she's just in cutscenes to just give exposition and then disappears until she's needed for the next exposition dump.
That's what I'm worried about too, not just with Strelitzia but with everyone. The biggest thing I want from the series going forward is for characters to have real, actual interactions and learn about each other—not just banter, and not just exposition. I haven't seen anything in this trailer to make me think it will be otherwise, but I also haven't seen anything that confirms it will still be an issue either. I just hope it gets better from KH3. I loved KH3, but you could tell how far the inter-character dialogue had fallen from 2 and 1.
That's what I'm worried about too, not just with Strelitzia but with everyone. The biggest thing I want from the series going forward is for characters to have real, actual interactions and learn about each other—not just banter, and not just exposition. I haven't seen anything in this trailer to make me think it will be otherwise, but I also haven't seen anything that confirms it will still be an issue either. I just hope it gets better from KH3. I loved KH3, but you could tell how far the inter-character dialogue had fallen from 2 and 1.
Yup, exactly this is my main pet peeve with KH III as well.
Actual meaningful character interactions showing the supposedly close relationships between the central cast of characters is something that is sorely needed going forward.
The trick here is that while the development of the stuff we actually care about may be small and cheap, the majority of money and effort isn't being put there. It's put into the gacha nonsense algorithm, in behavioral training to figure out how to best manipulate people into playing and spreading the games, and in most cases it was put there many years ago. Then many other people need to maintain its functioning by activating new nothing "raid" events where you fight some stupid watermelons.
You absolutely can make action KH games on a small budget with a small team. They did it on the DS. But they're not going to do it now, for entirely industry-related reasons.
You can't seriously tell me that Days and Re: Coded were made with the same amount of money and staff as UX. They're night and day. Plus, I'm pretty sure those games had many more staff working on them, and it definitely shows. KH games need to have mechanical depth, and they need to look and feel like a game. I'm aware that gatcha stuff is the trend in the industry nowadays, but that doesn't mean they need to be that cheap about it. The best way to attract people to gatcha traps is to make the games themselves look appealing. That's why Dark Road failed as badly as it did, because people knew it was gatcha but also didn't like the way it looked enough to put up with it. Missing-Link looks far better in that respect, though we'll see just how greedy a game it is.
We all know the selling factor for gacha is 70% horny and 30% nostalgia from the cases, and those games who succeed are those who sells character unit and not weapons. KHX/KHDR cards/ KHUX medals are more like weapons than character units that flesh them for the sake of horny/nostalgia, and that's why KH gacha fail.Because KH gachas are made because Nomura needs a medium to tell his story, not as horny cashgrab to specific market of horny people. Forget the likes of FGO, GBF, Arknights, or Azur Lane, even Cookie Run sells waifu/husbando. And the likes of Dragon Ball or One Piece gacha sells character unit, not weapons. "But this is Disney!" yes, and Twisted Wonderland exist and it's clearly horny cashgrab that sells husbando, like look at Halloween Vil, Tweels' true form, Fairy Gala Leona or Groom Idia.
That being said, I repeat that, man, SE haven't learn from their lesson that KH gachas fail because they don't sell character units, but weapons. They can sell character units with FF or DQ gachas, but not with KH because KH gachas is medium for another storytelling.
Still, let me specify that my specific gripe is that "it's gacha that sells weapons" and not "ew another mobile game", because mobile game is simply part of urban Far East asian culture, because how busy and mobile they are, just like wearing socks with sandals. You can disagree with it, just remember it's their culture and they aren't letting it go soon . That they are selling mostly to Japanese market who vote with their wallet, not just with comments.
Kinda wish the blue fire in the trailer isn't Hades but TW's Grim hmmmm
Kinda wish the blue fire in the trailer isn't Hades but TW's Grim hmmmm
When I saw the blue flame, I was thinking Oswald the Lucky Rabbit but then the voice came out and I was instantly disappointed
I am in shock right now! I really expected there to be a side game before KH4 was even announced! The theories running through my head from that trailer!!!!!
I’m over the mobile games and how impactful they are to the main story, but at least Missing-Link looks fun! I’m hoping that because they presented it in landscape and portrait mode, it will be available on consoles as well.
I’m a little disappointed that a PS5 version of KH3 wasn’t announced, but KH4 will do haha
So um,
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I’m beside myself. Our baby boy looks so good ? a little man now
Does anyone else think his new outfit looks like it drew inspiration from the Supergroupies art?
It’s interesting that Goofy/Donald’s art style looks KH3. I like that they’re making a clear differentiation b/t Quadratum and OG. Begs the question, if/when Sora returns to his worlds… will he return to his former appearance?
Sounds like we’re in for a ride. Press release made it sound like this is the first game amongst many more in the Lost Master Saga. I’m strapped in.
Honestly kinda stoked for Missing-Link too. Fuck the mobile games but at least it’s full 3D and voice acted. Seeing Brain in 3D was a dopamine rush
Only thing I’m a bit worried about is release window. Definitely E3 2013 vibes from this trailer and that doesn’t inspire confidence
Also does the Disney+ series exist ?
So um,
Saw that on twitter.
If we get Star Wars, I'm hoping we also get Tim Burton's Wonderland & Avengers
Thoughts on the trailer:
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[*]Dark Road finale - expected a date, I'm glad that we can finally close the chapter for Xehanort by September.
[*]Missing Link - I'm glad that it's in 3D and fully voiced, but hate that it's a mobile game because I most likely will not play it. However, that means the important cutscenes will be videos, so I won't have to read them.
[*]KH IV: I expected an announcement, but to get a full on trailer was great. Especially one that showed so much, versus just a concept trailer. I was kind of hoping that Quadratum would be a separate game, but I'm guessing it will be the 3-4 hour long tutorial world which I'm fine with. Now Sora can experience what Roxas did in Twilight Town :P I'm LOVING the fact that Donald and Goofy go looking for Hades - not necessarily because it's Hades, but Nomura's actually using the DISNEY characters in a way that is connected to the main plot. I'm really hoping this is a sign for things to come in KH4 on the DISNEY side. Lastly, the rumoured Star Wars world... would Nomura really show it and not even mention it? I feel like he would, I mean why show that random nature shot with no context?
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Overall, amazing and I was satisfied even though we didn't get to see the event. Also, I hope the people that were pissed off at the event not being live streamed is happy that they dropped the trailer - which is what they cared about - on time.
Does anyone know who the narrator is for the KH4 segment? His voice sounds very familiar but I can't place it. (Sounds a bit like the guy who voices Levi in Attack on Titan but I don't think that's right)
Oh no, HADES AGAIN! Jesu cripso if we have to go to Olympus again in KH 4 I'm not going to be happy. Considering the mess James Woods got himself in I'm surprised Nomura's even thinking of using him. Can't they use literally anyone else from Disney? does it NEED to be hercules's take on the dead?
Oh no, HADES AGAIN! Jesu cripso if we have to go to Olympus again in KH 4 I'm not going to be happy. Considering the mess James Woods got himself in I'm surprised Nomura's even thinking of using him. Can't they use literally anyone else from Disney? does it NEED to be hercules's take on the dead?
I think the idea is that Donald and Goofy are going to go visit a bunch of places and people that have some connection to the afterlife in order to find Sora. Since there are many different afterlives in the Disneyverse, I imagine we'll see a ton of new faces, but also some returning ones like Hades, and tbh, in that context, I'm actually pretty okay with it. I don't really expect to actually go back to Olympus (although seeing the Underworld in UE would be dope), I think it'll just be cutscenes. But frankly, as long as it's actually implementing the Disney characters and worlds into the main plot, I'm happy.
Also, I don't think Nomura really knows anything about James Woods' controversies, and I don't think he would care if he did know. First of all, I don't know this for a fact, but I imagine that Nomura mainly concerns himself with the Japanese cast and not with the English VA's. Second, the only thing controversial about James Woods is his political opinions, and (I hate to be the bearer of bad news) Japan is a pretty far-right country, and I don't believe a lot of people there would have a big problem with the brand of conservatives we have over here in America.
So um,
HO-LY CRAP!!!
THEY...THEY COULDN'T HAVE!
^ my brain trying to comprehend what you pointed out.
Nice. KH4 and the Quadratum he are one in the same. The city was everything I hoped for. Nice to see Strelitzia again as well :).
I was thinking at first this would be the first numbered title without Donald and Goofy but the end kind of givese hope they'll join Sora again somehow, lol
Second, the only thing controversial about James Woods is his political opinions
Not true, if that was the only thing it wouldn't be an issue, guys a certified creep. Pretty sure he harassed Willa Holland while they did a movie together and she was 17 at the time?
Happy for the people who wanted star wars in KH for years, not my cup of tea but you guys have been riding this trains for too long
So with this much more realistic artstyle, are we finally going to see Final Fantasy based worlds? Or possibly Star Wars or Marvel based worlds? I'm super in the dark as I haven't been keeping up with the mobile games at all since KHIII came out. All I remember is that there was a big mystery on the whereabouts of one girl and who another one was. I still need to play the rhythm game too....
Real question is will they be brave enough to turn Donald and Goofy into a hyper realistic duck and dog in order to not mess with the world order?
Not true, if that was the only thing it wouldn't be an issue, guys a certified creep. Pretty sure he harassed Willa Holland while they did a movie together and she was 17 at the time?
Happy for the people who wanted star wars in KH for years, not my cup of tea but you guys have been riding this trains for too long
Ah. Was not aware of that. Are those just allegations, or is there sturdy evidence? Cause I imagine Nomura doesn't care much about that kind of stuff unless it has real weight.
So with this much more realistic artstyle, are we finally going to see Final Fantasy based worlds? Or possibly Star Wars or Marvel based worlds? I'm super in the dark as I haven't been keeping up with the mobile games at all since KHIII came out. All I remember is that there was a big mystery on the whereabouts of one girl and who another one was. I still need to play the rhythm game too....
Real question is will they be brave enough to turn Donald and Goofy into a hyper realistic duck and dog in order to not mess with the world order?
That would be pretty funny. Bet Sora wouldn't recognize them at first, lol. Seriously though give them new outfits in Quadratum Nomura, please
"Early development"?????? Uuuuuuggghhh... But hey, at least by the time KH4 releases, they'll be cheaper versions of current gen consoles, LOL
By the way, I think it'll be multi platform. There's a button sequence and they don't show PlayStation button. We'll see if it'll be timed exclusive like FF7 R.
Ah. Was not aware of that. Are those just allegations, or is there sturdy evidence? Cause I imagine Nomura doesn't care much about that kind of stuff unless it has real weight.
Willa's mother accused him of harassing her, I wouldn't take the allegations lightly
Some interesting tidbits here though I can’t find a proper translation.
Based on Google translate, I’m gathering the following (aside from the UE5 bit which we already knew):
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[*]The logo change is to mark the start of a new saga
[*]Nomura chose KH4 over Verum Rex but was torn
[*]Something else about Verum Rex I can’t interpret
[*]The trailer narrator is the character it has been so far (?)
[*]Missing-Link has action gameplay like the main series, includes up to 6 players. 2 modes: story mode and walking mode (Pokémon Go-esque). Beta scheduled for autumn 2022
[*]Missing-Link is a story that connects all the mysteries thus far; key words are multiple (???), founding ancestor Ephemer, secret society of Keyblade wielders
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Willa's mother accused him of harassing her, I wouldn't take the allegations lightly
Ah.
That would be pretty funny. Bet Sora wouldn't recognize them at first, lol. Seriously though give them new outfits in Quadratum Nomura, please
I feel like their new Quadratum outfits were already somewhat shown in Toy Box. I think the toy outfits were the Quadratum designs, just in toy form.
I love the Sora lost in spacetime aspect. The dissonance of him being on a photorealistic sofa in the lazy daylight of a harsh summer morning, with regular-sized feet and boringly ordinary hair: Perfect. In other threads, I've discussed how this being the beat running though KH4's story would be the ideal way to write it. And I'm glad they seem to be leaning into it from what I can tell.
However... Frustrating people with unfamiliarity in a narrative sense is one thing. Basing the whole first trailer on that is a bit self-defeating. KH2's prologue was so powerful because of the sense of anxiety we felt at being unexpectedly removed from the familiar. And as being captive to the story being told. We can not buy a game but the threshold for refusing to play it once committed is higher.
Of course there's the issue of if not showing that then what? I'd have focused more on the Donald/Goofy scene while only hinting at the Sora parts. But that's just me. I wouldn't signpost narrative subversion in the marketing because it both cheapens the impact of that subversion of expectations while risking the loss of interest among many turned off by how removed it is from what we know. Especially as their first exposure to the game.
Considering how long the development of KH4 still takes, I was wondering if it really is the next console game release?
We still have the UX leak from NVidia. Is it still possible to receive UX for consoles in the next year?
God I am just so happy. I don't think Quadratum will represent the bulk of the game, one way or another we will be running through beautiful Disney commercials as always. Can't wait to see more.
Also, that gameplay footage looks so underwhelming and I'm surprised they even presented it. Why not just leave it at cutscenes and pre-rendered footage.
Movement and interaction with the environment looks great. the environments themselves look below awful. Uniform lighting. Bland textures. Nondescript buildings. Empty interiors.
I know it's a work in progress and will look nothing like this upon release. So why show it at all. People who aren't KH fans will see that and think "the heck is this fan made tech demo?"
Also, thank fook it's UE5. Jeez. Do we know which teams are working on this? Is there any chance SE Europe devs will be involved?
It was a bold decision to have the main protagonist be a Sora cosplayer from an anime convention but maybe it'll work out.
Also, that gameplay footage looks so underwhelming and I'm surprised they even presented it. Why not just leave it at cutscenes and pre-rendered footage.
Movement and interaction with the environment looks great. the environments themselves look below awful. Uniform lighting. Bland textures. Nondescript buildings. Empty interiors.
I know it's a work in progress and will look nothing like this upon release. So why show it at all. People who aren't KH fans will see that and think "the heck is this fan made tech demo?"
Also, thank fook it's UE5. Jeez. Do we know which teams are working on this? Is there any chance SE Europe devs will be involved?
I mean, they also showed rough gameplay footage at the 2013 KH3 teaser too. I don't think it's designed to actually entice, but rather to give viewers some sense of the kind of mechanics they'll be going for in the finished product. And tbf, they were very clear that this was made in UE4 but the finished product will be in UE5, so they're trying to broadcast heavily that this doesn't represent the full vision.
That being said, everything you've said is exactly what I feel about the Missing-Link trailer. I've seen it several times over now, and each time I see it Scala ad Caelum looks worse and worse. It looks like that generic-ass city from the Sonic '06 game, and it doesn't inspire confidence. It's such an insane downgrade in terms of both style and grandeur from the Scala we see in 3.
Woo hoo!
Could Sora being stuck in Quadratum imply that perhaps this game will have 2 playable characters? Perhaps Sora could be the playable character through Quadratum and live-action-inspired worlds and the other character (Kairi?) could be the one that is with Donald and Goofy in Disney and Pixar worlds.
Anyhow, the footage (though clearly early stuff) looks great and I can only imagine how it will look in Unreal 5. I'm not sure how I feel about Sora looking so...different. But I get that's maybe the style they're going for. It's just going to take some getting used to.
Also, not at all surprised that there won't be anything for the game at E3. Perhaps we might get some more at one of the D23s? If so, D23 Japan is the most likely option. Remember, this game has likely only been in development over the last couple of years. It is going to take time. Hopefully not as much time as KH3, but still. Time.
I'll say that comparing this footage to the first footage of KH3, KH4 seems to be further along in production as of the first trailer. There's already voice acting and a little bit of gameplay footage. Perhaps 2024-2025 is a viable release window?
Early predictions;
Much of the tone of the game seems to be centered around death and the afterlife, so that will probably be the focus of a number of the game's elements, story, and level design.
For worlds, it's a little too early to speculate. However, it would probably not be wrong to assume that at least a handful will be live-action based given the tone of the trailer, particularly if Sora stays separated for a while in the game. I guess that the game will have 10 Disney Worlds in total. One more than the last game, but keeping with the mainline number count. I'll give a list of ones I think are possible. These are not the worlds that will be, only ones that may be only (to paraphrase Charles Dickens).
Disney Animation and Pixar Worlds:
-New Worlds:
-The Land of the Dead- Coco. This one feels like a given. With Pixar now available for Kingdom Hearts and the game's focus is in part on the afterlife, I'd say this is the most likely new world we will see. It just fits.
-The Underworld? Honestly, I can't see Olympus coming back this time around. The stuff with Hades will probably be not much more beyond a cutscene or two. Could be wrong though. It doesn't count if it's just a few cutscenes.
-Motunui- Moana. Another fairly obvious candidate given that it is widely loved and still does incredibly well on Disney+. Perhaps they could be looking for magical objects like Maui's fishhook or the heart of Te Fiti?
-Zootopia- Another obvious candidate. The film did quite well and would provide an interesting setting given that cities seem to be a big part of KH4.
-Encanto- I know this is a newer film, but with how popular it has become it would seem strange for it not to appear in some form. It could be about reconnecting with loved ones as part of the journey? The family doors alone would make for interesting level possibilities.
-One More New Pixar World. As for which one, I'm not sure. Your guess is as good as mine. The most likely options include Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, A Bug's Life, Brave, Inside Out, Wall-E, etc. There's no way that there will be only 1 new Pixar world, is all I'm saying.
-Returning. I only expect maybe 1 or two returning worlds.
-Toy Story- The biggest Pixar property by far and the one most suited for returns. There are more characters to showcase, like Jessie, Bullseye, Slinky, etc. Also, perhaps visiting this world could provide more insight into Yozora and Verum Rex.
-Frozen 2- Yeah, I know. The complaints about Arendelle are clear. But this time they'll have more resources and time to flesh out a better level. Ahtohallan could provide for many interesting design possibilities and will be less frustrating given that it's mostly forest and not a mountain.
-Live-Action Disney properties. That is both a broad and loaded assumption, but it seems likely given what we are seeing. Which worlds specifically? IDK. But I can speculate; Marvel and Star Wars are possibilities. I know that is controversial for some fans, but the fact of the matter is that both franchises are among the most beloved and popular series in the world. Disney and Square Enix can't just ignore that fact. But they're not the only live-action properties Disney could bring in.
- Star Wars. For me, the question is not whether to bring Star Wars into Kingdom Hearts. It's when to bring in Star Wars. I believe that the best place for Sora to venture into a galaxy far, far away is the Original Trilogy. It's the most known, the most beloved, and the least controversial between the prequels and the sequels. Nomura has stated that he's a fan, so with EA's exclusivity contract over, this seems like a definite possibility.
-Marvel. The biggest problem with Marvel is what characters do you focus on? There are scores of characters. My solution would be one of two options;
1. have it be like Hundred Acre Woods where you find comic books based on the characters instead of torn pages. My guess for characters would be Spider-Man, Doctor Strange (he's not an Avenger, keep in mind), The Avengers, and the Guardians of the Galaxy.
2.) Have the characters in Quadratum. Perhaps something Doctor Strange did cause them to appear in Quadratum and Sora needs to help them return home. Kind of like the Final Fantasy characters in KH1 and KH2.
-Pandora- Avatar. I know the complaints this will inevitably get. But the fact of the matter is; Avatar is one of the two highest-grossing films of all time. It has a dedicated land built in Disney's Animal Kingdom. And the sequels are fast coming. If you think that Disney isn't going to want to market those films to the heavens, you're kidding yourself. Avatar was also popular in Japan and around the world too, so there's that.
Plus, I've heard Matt Belloni (a noted Hollywood insider) say on a podcast that all of the studios expect Best Picture next year at the Oscars to come down to either Spielberg, Scorcese, or James Cameron's Avatar 2. The early footage is rumored to be that good. And again. Matt Belloni is not just some blogger with semi-reliable info. He used to be a writer for The Hollywood Reporter and is often at big events like the Oscars. This guy is a reliable source. If he says that Avatar 2 is going to be a contender, I believe him.
Now, it might not be. Avatar 2 could underperform, to be sure. But if there's one thing that people should learn by now, it's never to underestimate James Cameron.
That's all I have for now, but we'll have to wait and see what's coming soon.
The trailers were dope. To be completely honest I wasn't expecting much so I'm satisfied with what they shown off. We'll probably get a few games before KH4 releases (in 2031 lol). Now we play the wait game till the release of the beta of Kingdom Hearts: Missing - Link.
My biggest wish atm is they animate separately for Japanese and English so the dialogue can be written and performed in natural language without straining to match timecodes. There was a half baked automated version of this for FF7 Remake which apparently worked fairly well. Not sure of the exact details
And hire an editor. Jeez. Just indiscriminately hack at the script with scissors for all I care. If the cutouts are important just add them to in-gameplay dialogue so people aren't standing around gesticulating into mid air with 10 minutes of dry exposition.
I played The Avengers (distributed by SE) recently and the animation for cutscenes is INCREDIBLE. As is the acting and writing. Felt like watching a movie even though most was rendered in-engine.
So I just watched the Kingdom Hearts 20th Anniversary trailer and feel oddly deflated and disappointed. I guess, despite trying to expect nothing, I was expecting more than just a trailer for a delayed mobile game, an awful looking sequel to Union Cross and an off feeling intro trailer to KH4. I guess, on some level I expect the 20th anniversary to be them putting their best foot forward and if this is their best foot... I'm not sure what that means.
Missing-Link looks absolutely horrible graphic and gameplay wise... it being another mobile multiplayer game doesn't help, seeing I personally don't care for those. I personally would have prefered seeing another "spin-off" focusing on one of the trios or already established cast. Hopefully the finished product will be more interesting and enticing.
Also I can't believe that I didn't feel any excitement at all for the KH4 segment... I should be excited and hyped, but I just feel deflated... I don't think I've ever reacted this poorly to a KH announcement before.
Hopefully reading through other people's post and seeing other's reaction will get me more excited.
So I just watched the Kingdom Hearts 20th Anniversary trailer and feel oddly deflated and disappointed. I guess, despite trying to expect nothing, I was expecting more than just a trailer for a delayed mobile game, an awful looking sequel to Union Cross and an off feeling intro trailer to KH4. I guess, on some level I expect the 20th anniversary to be them putting their best foot forward and if this is their best foot... I'm not sure what that means.
Missing-Link looks absolutely horrible graphic and gameplay wise... it being another mobile multiplayer game doesn't help, seeing I personally don't care for those. I personally would have prefered seeing another "spin-off" focusing on one of the trios or already established cast. Hopefully the finished product will be more interesting and enticing.
Also I can't believe that I didn't feel any excitement at all for the KH4 segment... I should be excited and hyped, but I just feel deflated... I don't think I've ever reacted this poorly to a KH announcement before.
Hopefully reading through other people's post and seeing other's reaction will get me more excited.
"Best foot forward"? Nomura finished the artwork at 10AM before the event!
I think he showed what he could at the event solely because the event was happening. If there was no 20th anniversary event, Nomura wouldn't have shown a damn thing yet.
So I just watched the Kingdom Hearts 20th Anniversary trailer and feel oddly deflated and disappointed. I guess, despite trying to expect nothing, I was expecting more than just a trailer for a delayed mobile game, an awful looking sequel to Union Cross and an off feeling intro trailer to KH4. I guess, on some level I expect the 20th anniversary to be them putting their best foot forward and if this is their best foot... I'm not sure what that means.
Missing-Link looks absolutely horrible graphic and gameplay wise... it being another mobile multiplayer game doesn't help, seeing I personally don't care for those. I personally would have prefered seeing another "spin-off" focusing on one of the trios or already established cast. Hopefully the finished product will be more interesting and enticing.
Also I can't believe that I didn't feel any excitement at all for the KH4 segment... I should be excited and hyped, but I just feel deflated... I don't think I've ever reacted this poorly to a KH announcement before.
Hopefully reading through other people's post and seeing other's reaction will get me more excited.
I'd be lying if I said I didn't share some of your sentiment.
On the one hand, it's so incredibly cool to actually get a look at KH4 this soon after KH3 knowing what our fanbase has gone through over the last decade in terms of waiting and false teases.
On the other hand, the lead-up to the event did suggest a bit more than what we got. I don't want to be greedy, and I certainly don't want the road to KH4 to be paved with a bunch of interim titles like what happened between 2 and 3. But at the same time, yeah, the more I let my brain cool down from the hype and the excitement, the more I feel just a little bit disappointed with what we actually are getting.
I mean, when you take stock, all we're really getting is a trailer for the last, NON-playable portion of a terrible mobile game that SHOULD'VE been finished 8 months ago, a trailer for yet another mobile game that ONLY looks good in comparison to the UX/DR games, which is NOT high praise, and finally a relatively rough-looking teaser for a game that isn't likely to be releasing anytime within the next few years.
I guess when Nomura said this year was going to be busy, I was hoping for...more. KH4 is cool, but it doesn't count if it's still years down the line. I was REALLY hoping for an actual, honest-to-God GAME, not another mobile title. Something on the Switch, maybe. People on that console are getting really shafted with this series.
I'm not completely pessimistic, but yeah, for their 20th anniversary event, I think you're right, it was relatively underwhelming. Unless there's more they simply haven't revealed yet, but I find that unlikely.
I guess when Nomura said this year was going to be busy, I was hoping for...more. KH4 is cool, but it doesn't count if it's still years down the line. I was REALLY hoping for an actual, honest-to-God GAME, not another mobile title. Something on the Switch, maybe. People on that console are getting really shafted with this series.
I’m still hoping for another game before KH4 releases.. It would be very disappointing if we had to wait another 3 years for a new KH game that’s worth playing unlike the mobile games
"Best foot forward"? Nomura finished the artwork at 10AM before the event!
I think he showed what he could at the event solely because the event was happening. If there was no 20th anniversary event, Nomura wouldn't have shown a damn thing yet.
The artwork is imho the best thing of the whole package here tbh, but that has its own thread.
In terms of "KH 4" though I do wonder a little why they still don't have the guts to ditch the numbered titles altogether and the whole baggage of constant expectations that come with it.
So I just watched the Kingdom Hearts 20th Anniversary trailer and feel oddly deflated and disappointed. I guess, despite trying to expect nothing, I was expecting more than just a trailer for a delayed mobile game, an awful looking sequel to Union Cross and an off feeling intro trailer to KH4. I guess, on some level I expect the 20th anniversary to be them putting their best foot forward and if this is their best foot... I'm not sure what that means.
Missing-Link looks absolutely horrible graphic and gameplay wise... it being another mobile multiplayer game doesn't help, seeing I personally don't care for those. I personally would have prefered seeing another "spin-off" focusing on one of the trios or already established cast. Hopefully the finished product will be more interesting and enticing.
Also I can't believe that I didn't feel any excitement at all for the KH4 segment... I should be excited and hyped, but I just feel deflated... I don't think I've ever reacted this poorly to a KH announcement before.
Hopefully reading through other people's post and seeing other's reaction will get me more excited.
I hear you and see what you mean. It being the 20th for Kingdom Hearts you would think they'd have something more to show or at least something more interesting for long time fans of the series who are fatigued from delays and huge gaps between releases.
I would have been happy with another CGI movie for Union X &/or Dark Road for those who haven't played them. Or even a Remake of 358/2 days. Multiplayer Kh was a cool concept.
I still think what they shown was fine. They probably should have gone bigger because its the Series 20th Anniversary.
KH4 looks great.
The artwork is imho the best thing of the whole package here tbh, but that has its own thread.
In terms of "KH 4" though I do wonder a little why they still don't have the guts to ditch the numbered titles altogether and the whole baggage of constant expectations that come with it.
Baggage that comes with numbered titles? After KH3, there should be no expectations. I always said that KH3 was always going to be damned if it did, damned if it didn't. KH3 was always going to take the heat and get crapped all over, no matter what it did. Ultimately, that was a good thing because now no one should have these crazy expectations. Not only that, we're starting from scratch, so people can't expect to see everyone in the game again which will be better for KH4 and the Lost Master arc's quality.
The baggage is the expectation that numbered KH will always follow the same formula with barely any alteration.
The artwork is imho the best thing of the whole package here tbh, but that has its own thread.
In terms of "KH 4" though I do wonder a little why they still don't have the guts to ditch the numbered titles altogether and the whole baggage of constant expectations that come with it.
While ditching the numbers might make sense, I think at this point it's nigh impossible. if anything the games between 2 and 3 sadly proved that people will just dismiss any KH game that isn't numbered as a spin-off, they've kind of been conditioned to do so by non-numbered games being for smaller consoles.
I hear you and see what you mean. It being the 20th for Kingdom Hearts you would think they'd have something more to show or at least something more interesting for long time fans of the series who are fatigued from delays and huge gaps between releases.
I would have been happy with another CGI movie for Union X &/or Dark Road for those who haven't played them. Or even a Remake of 358/2 days. Multiplayer Kh was a cool concept.
I still think what they shown was fine. They probably should have gone bigger because its the Series 20th Anniversary.
Yeah I feel I would have felt more excitement for another CGI movie than I did for Missing link. I would have also adored a Days remake even if I am starting to believe it's best to leave it be and just move forward.
I guess when Nomura said this year was going to be busy, I was hoping for...more. KH4 is cool, but it doesn't count if it's still years down the line. I was REALLY hoping for an actual, honest-to-God GAME, not another mobile title. Something on the Switch, maybe. People on that console are getting really shafted with this series.
Switch is so crazy popular and Square has been 1 of the better 3rd party supporters on it that it's really baffling they aren't doing a KH along the lines of the old handheld games.
The baggage is the expectation that numbered KH will always follow the same formula with barely any alteration.
Gameplay wise, I would expect and want that. One of the reasons I love KH is that the gameplay is fun and it's easy to jump into the controls without much complication. Besides having DISNEY worlds, there shouldn't be any other expectations.
On a side note, did anyone notice the keyhole imagery in Quadratum? It really stood out to me.
So um,
So...if this is the same, could this world be Endor?
About Missing Link.
I'm fine with it since due to it being a 3D action game, it could end up ported to console without the Pokemon Go-esque function.
Plus it actually looks like a game I'd want to play unlike UX and DR.
Hell of a time to get logged out and forget my password lol. Anyway, I don't even know where to begin. Think I need to see more of KH4 before forming any opinions. I'm mostly surprised we're going straight to it, so quickly, without a million in between games. Feels just like the old days!
Also gonna need to see how Kairi and the female characters are treated before judging, especially after KH3. I would hope Kairi and Aqua's training isn't just a footnote in this game, that would be the worst.
Looks like Sora and Strelitzia are teaming up for the time being, definitely didn't see that coming. Think she'll find out how he beat up her brother multiple times? :p
Donald’s staff lit up looks cool.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
What a thing to wake up to on a Sunday morning
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
I would love to eat my words, hun, but given how the pacing for KH games is these days, everything is probably gonna be a footnote. I mean, Riku training with Terra was after all.
Heck, the scenes we saw in this trailer could be half an hour long before a 20 hour slog of Disney world we have to go through before we see story again. Or it could be the finale? Or the criticism could have actually reached Nomura’s ears. Who knows? We can only hope for the best.
New arc, new opportunities maybe. And did Riku and Terra even train together? They had their chat before the 1 year time skip, so I never got the impression they had time to do much. Plus that wasn't set up prior, while Kairi and Aqua's training was, explicitly. Still hoping for them to get their own game.
Yay for KHIV! I'm so glad they kept the numerals! Down with the side games! I didn't even watch the trailers for the first two things, never playing them.
My guess is this fight in Quadratum is simply the beginning of the game, like Darkside at Destiny Islands or Twilight Thorn in Twilight Town. At least, I don't want to be in one city the whole game, nope. And maybe this means the Coliseum will be a world yet again... <3 I'd love it just to hear the fanbase's heads explode.
I don't mind the change to Sora so much, he honestly looks better, it doesn't bother me as much as how they changed Riku's eyes. Although I think they're aging these characters fast if they want this series to keep going forever. The XIII stuff is just... *sigh* Felt the same about seeing Black Coats again. The girl definitely belongs to Quadratum. I see others calling her Strelitzia--I don't pay any attention to the mobile games, so I had no idea. Even with Sora having changed to a degree (and maybe this is merely a world transformation for Sora to look more "realistic" and he'll look like he did in 3 once he goes back to the RoL?), the girl definitely stands apart from him and looks kind of strange alongside him to me.
Since it's "early development," I don't expect it before Fall 2024. And that's probably being optimistic--I can imagine it ending up in spring 2025. Makes me laugh that people were thinking it would be 2023. Probably young and pure fans who came in with 3 and haven't been here long enough to become jaded to the way this goes yet.
What if KH4 is going to work like DDD? We know that Riku is in Quadratum, but we don’t know if there are two alternate realities of this world (like the worlds in DDD).
What if Riku arrives in the Yozora version of Quadratum and Sora in that version of Quadratum where the TWEWY cast lives? If we consider what Strelitzia said, that this world for the two of them works like an afterworld…
I know it isn't going to happen with Riku having already went to Quadratum at the end of MoM (at least, I believe so? I haven't played it in a while)--I'd love Sora in Quadratum while the other scenario is Riku, Donald, and Goofy going through Disney worlds that are connected to death in some fashion, seeing if they could find a way in, so to speak. The Underworld as well as TP&TF and Coco as previously mentioned. I suppose Soul deals with death, although I've never seen it.
Has anyone photoshopped the logo with just the heart and number? ?
Would be a huge freaking stretch, but what if Sora visited live action worlds via inserting a BD disc of the movie, and entering the TV to enter the unreality worlds like Endor. Something so meta and crazy that Nomura would dare boldly do? Too silly, or maybe a possibility? IDK, Toy Story was kinda meta with the Verum Rex video game, and now Yozora brought Sora to reality, so it could go counterclockwise and we see Disney properties being the sold properties like Verum Rex now.
Wow! They picked a fitting day to announce this! Because in case you guys don't know, today is Haley Joel Osment's 34th birthday. I sure hope he'll voice Sora once more in KH4.
I'm a grown up man and I don't remember the last time I was so excited for this franchise.
- Kingdom Hearts 4 is announced with a proper trailer. In-game cutscenes, gameplay and good length. Much better than a CGI trailer.
- A new arc after all these years gives them the chance to start anew. Love the artistic direction and the unknown possibilities we have.
- Unreal Engine. An engine that the KH staff already knows well and can always count with Epic to help them. No more years of development lost because of engine problems.
- PS5 capacities. After Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart showing the power of SSD, imagine going through different worlds near instantly during a boss battle or something else.
- After the reception of KH3, Square should be aware of what fans expect from a numbered KH title. ReMind was incredible and hopefully they will improve from there.
Would be a huge freaking stretch, but what if Sora visited live action worlds via inserting a BD disc of the movie, and entering the TV to enter the unreality worlds like Endor. Something so meta and crazy that Nomura would dare boldly do? Too silly, or maybe a possibility? IDK, Toy Story was kinda meta with the Verum Rex video game, and now Yozora brought Sora to reality, so it could go counterclockwise and we see Disney properties being the sold properties like Verum Rex now.
You mean like Gex Enter the Gecko but with DVDs
You mean like Gex Enter the Gecko but with DVDs
something like that, yeah. would love to see nomura go that route.
Post-CoM, I enjoy KH from an emotional distance.
As long as I get to run around with Donald and Goofy looking for treasure chests, I’m game for whatever KH4’s gonna be.
Three questions still remain for me:
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[*]What of the KHUX Remake from the Nvidia leak? It’s possible something like that is in the works, though with Missing-Link the mystery dev team has been accounted for. Really hope we at least get a movie version before KH4 releases.
[*]I was holding out hopes for the Disney+ series but with no word of it at the 20th Anniversary Event, I’m beginning to think the project likely failed to be greenlit. Aw well. I’ll keep a small ember of hope burning for it.
[*]No nextgen KH3 upgrade? :(
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Can Donald and Goofy get new outfits already???? Why does Mickey always get to, when D&G are more relevant than he is? :cautious:
Ok hear me out
what if D&G aren't looking for Hades, but instead they're looking for Auron?
Like, I get Hades is lord of the underworld, but why would D&G trust him to help?
Alright, so I checked to make sure, but I found something curious and I can't see if anyone else noticed either.
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Isn't this outfit a little different than what we see in the trailer? https://images.khinsider.com/2022 Uploads/04/Announcement Screenshots/KH4_01_legal.jpg
I mean, could just be me, but I don't think so Could it be possible that Sora is actually getting *two* main outfits?
I also admittedly rechecked the official announcement stuff, but I didn't see them mentioning anything about the outfits. If so, please let me know so I know I'm not crazy.
Alright, so I checked to make sure, but I found something curious and I can't see if anyone else noticed either.
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Isn't this outfit a little different than what we see in the trailer? https://images.khinsider.com/2022 Uploads/04/Announcement Screenshots/KH4_01_legal.jpg
I mean, could just be me, but I don't think so Could it be possible that Sora is actually getting *two* main outfits?
I also admittedly rechecked the official announcement stuff, but I didn't see them mentioning anything about the outfits. If so, please let me know so I know I'm not crazy.
That's from a fan interpretation
Excited for KH4, really liked the trailer. Showing UltraRealistic!Sora at the beggining and D&G at the end in a more Disney environment was a really wise decision to both keep up the hype and shut down theorists that think KH can be anything without Disney.
Missing Link is a game that looks more fun than what I expected from a mobile game. Still dissappointed it'll be a gatcha, but I prefer it over a Switch exclusive tbh. Maybe it'll port to home consoles later on, either way, it'll be feeding us until KH4 release (it's so weird talking about KH4 as a real thing).
Dark Road intrigues me, but at the same time I'm not entirely sold on it. Too many characters exclusive to that game. I liked how the original X was full of new characters in a completly different setting, but look how that turned out. I don't want to keep an eye on 40 characters moving forward, seeing as the whole UX cast, plus Luxord, plus TAV/RXA/... are staying in some form.
I'm curious what the heroes have to offer in exchange for Hades' help. Cause even if he does provide assistance I doubt it will be for free
That's from a fan interpretation
Is it? Looks like Nomura to me.
But it's a convincing fake if it is.
Seems like this is the real one. Good, I'm glad I'm NOT going crazy.
Also, I don't think Donald and Goofy would look for Auron. But I do think they might look for someone they think could help them get to Quadratum and it just so happens they have to sneak by Hades to find them.
Is it? Looks like Nomura to me.
But it's a convincing fake if it is.
Seems like this is the real one. Good, I'm glad I'm NOT going crazy.
This boy's hair gets less and less spiky with each passing title. By KH5, it's just gonna be a bowl cut.
I come home from work just to see KH4 announced, I nearly screamed while working I was so exicted. Sora looks good but he looks way more like a FF protagonist now with that realisitc hairstyle, maybe its because he's in a more "realistic" world but I'm glad to see him back in the drivers seat.
Baggage that comes with numbered titles? After KH3, there should be no expectations. I always said that KH3 was always going to be damned if it did, damned if it didn't. KH3 was always going to take the heat and get crapped all over, no matter what it did. Ultimately, that was a good thing because now no one should have these crazy expectations. Not only that, we're starting from scratch, so people can't expect to see everyone in the game again which will be better for KH4 and the Lost Master arc's quality.
I'm not speaking of story-related baggage, that's bound to be there since the whole UX-Dark Road-Missing Link stuff has lots of hooks to the old games still, as well as many of the Q&A-questions still pointing towards there still being mysteries from the old games fans of the franchise are interested in.
If you think we're starting from scratch you're mistaken, the story-related baggage from the Dark Seeker-saga is still there as a groundwork for the new stuff.
The baggage is the expectation that numbered KH will always follow the same formula with barely any alteration.
That's exactly what I meant, there are certain formulas expected of a "numbered title" that get stale over time and also stand in the way of proper and useful pacing.
Alright, so I checked to make sure, but I found something curious and I can't see if anyone else noticed either.
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Isn't this outfit a little different than what we see in the trailer? https://images.khinsider.com/2022 Uploads/04/Announcement Screenshots/KH4_01_legal.jpg
I mean, could just be me, but I don't think so Could it be possible that Sora is actually getting *two* main outfits?
I also admittedly rechecked the official announcement stuff, but I didn't see them mentioning anything about the outfits. If so, please let me know so I know I'm not crazy.
That was fan art by the talented hollypolllyy.
That was fan art by the talented hollypolllyy.
Already established this, though I do like the clarification of who the artist was.
I'm not speaking of story-related baggage, that's bound to be there since the whole UX-Dark Road-Missing Link stuff has lots of hooks to the old games still, as well as many of the Q&A-questions still pointing towards there still being mysteries from the old games fans of the franchise are interested in.
If you think we're starting from scratch you're mistaken, the story-related baggage from the Dark Seeker-saga is still there as a groundwork for the new stuff.
That's exactly what I meant, there are certain formulas expected of a "numbered title" that get stale over time and also stand in the way of proper and useful pacing.
There's still gonna be major expectations for this game. They're just different than KH3's expectations, since KH3 took so long to get out the door.
Of course, the issue also was that KH3 clearly tried for a more ambitious story, but I think it was hampered by what I like to call "The Frozen Dilemma". The need to make sure to play things safe with the major Disney properties. So they can't be integrated into the story as well as they'd like to.
I don't care too much if the formula is there, so long as the writers of the Disney worlds are actually allowed to do something interesting with them that helps them tie better into the main stories of the game. KH3 did try to do so, but it was clear they were hampered in that regard. Formulas can evolve, after all. The best thing for KH4 would be to do so. It doesn't have to break formula. It just has to improve on it.
Does this mean we can finally put the entire "KH will no longer have Disney" to bed? Sure this game looks more grim and dark than KH3 but I doubt we are gonna be in Quadratum for the entire game. The idea of Donald and Goofy going to Hades for help is a good start to how it could be built going forward for Disney involvement.
what a morning, the 20th anniversary kh art and game reveals, STAR WARS in kh and
SORA GETTING DOXXED
Is this real life y’all???
I'm curious what the heroes have to offer in exchange for Hades' help. Cause even if he does provide assistance I doubt it will be for free
Well, in-universe, they've went to Hades for help before in 2 and we saw how that turned out. Not sure why they'd think he'd help them, but it'll be fun just to have a cutscene of him laughing and celebrating that Sora is "dead," lol. Only to be disappointed to find he can't draw Sora out of the Underworld and torture him like the other souls there.
I love how wild KH4 looks.
I originally didn't plan to comment on this until tomorrow, but now I'm feeling that I might not sleep very much tonight if I don't write this right away...
The biggest surprise for me is the lack of side/non-numbered games before KH4. Both the ending of MoM and the secret ending of KH3 suggested that the next game would have Riku as the main protagonist. Did someone mess up the plans again?
IIRC the unofficial translation of the UX finale already suggested that Quadratum is a form of afterlife, but that was left out of the official one. And the characters we have seen there so far are exactly the ones that should be sort-of but not completely dead. Strelitzia being in there makes sense too, but at the same time it is a bit disappointing for me. I expected finding her to be a quest for Ven and Lauriam.
Another interesting thing is, Quadratum was supposed to be a world without light or darkness. But that clearly isn't the case anymore, as heartless have started appearing there. What could be the reason for this?
And then there is the big thing, another (mobile-only, WtF?!) game with BRAIN AS ONE OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS!! Now, this might be a reason for me to figure out how to run mobile stuff on top of Linux, so I can check it out on my primary computer. I did try that before, almost a year ago when UX was ending, but gave up after a couple of failed attepts. Getting UX and Mtg Arena to work wasn't worth the time, because I could run both on my old Windows system.
I'm thinking about how the timeline could work in this game. To my understanding, Brain started a family in Scala (to become grandfather/ancestor of Eraqus), and then "died" or disappeared (really, time travelled back to the past and became a virus by taking over Luxu's body). As we all know, Disney is allergic to romance and family life stuff, so I don't think they want to show much of that in the story. But they do want to show the beginning (his arrival there) and the end. And it's also probably a long timespan, as Brain would wait until his kids are old enough to take care of themselves before implementing his plan. So, probably the game takes place near the end of that timespan, and we get a lot of flashbacks from earlier events. And from that I want to make a little crackpot prediction: If they are doing that, then it would make sense for the player character in this game to be Brain's child.
I originally didn't plan to comment on this until tomorrow, but now I'm feeling that I might not sleep very much tonight if I don't write this right away...
The biggest surprise for me is the lack of side/non-numbered games before KH4. Both the ending of MoM and the secret ending of KH3 suggested that the next game would have Riku as the main protagonist. Did someone mess up the plans again?
IIRC the unofficial translation of the UX finale already suggested that Quadratum is a form of afterlife, but that was left out of the official one. And the characters we have seen there so far are exactly the ones that should be sort-of but not completely dead. Strelitzia being in there makes sense too, but at the same time it is a bit disappointing for me. I expected finding her to be a quest for Ven and Lauriam.
Another interesting thing is, Quadratum was supposed to be a world without light or darkness. But that clearly isn't the case anymore, as heartless have started appearing there. What could be the reason for this?
And then there is the big thing, another (mobile-only, WtF?!) game with BRAIN AS ONE OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS!! Now, this might be a reason for me to figure out how to run mobile stuff on top of Linux, so I can check it out on my primary computer. I did try that before, almost a year ago when UX was ending, but gave up after a couple of failed attepts. Getting UX and Mtg Arena to work wasn't worth the time, because I could run both on my old Windows system.
I'm thinking about how the timeline could work in this game. To my understanding, Brain started a family in Scala (to become grandfather/ancestor of Eraqus), and then "died" or disappeared (really, time travelled back to the past and became a virus by taking over Luxu's body). As we all know, Disney is allergic to romance and family life stuff, so I don't think they want to show much of that in the story. But they do want to show the beginning (his arrival there) and the end. And it's also probably a long timespan, as Brain would wait until his kids are old enough to take care of themselves before implementing his plan. So, probably the game takes place near the end of that timespan, and we get a lot of flashbacks from earlier events. And from that I want to make a little crackpot prediction: If they are doing that, then it would make sense for the player character in this game to be Brain's child.
As I recall, the only side games intended to be made original was Birth by Sleep, but then Nintendo wanted a game for the DS and Square and Disney wanted a cell phone game.
The reason Dream Drop Distance was made was also because Nintendo wanted a game for the 3DS.
I think also that the mobile games are intended to be the side stories meant to fill in the lore and build up to the main game so that it'd be easier to work IV. It could also be that they just felt it was best to focus more on IV and not leave people guessing at what happened to Sora for any longer.
As for the other stuff, I'm not sure how it will all fit together, but I doubt we'll wrap everything up in one game anyway, so we'll just have to wait and see more of the details as they come along.
The biggest surprise for me is the lack of side/non-numbered games before KH4. Both the ending of MoM and the secret ending of KH3 suggested that the next game would have Riku as the main protagonist. Did someone mess up the plans again?
Another interesting thing is, Quadratum was supposed to be a world without light or darkness. But that clearly isn't the case anymore, as heartless have started appearing there. What could be the reason for this?
Well just because KH4 was announced, doesn't mean there won't be any side games before it. We got 0.2 after KH3 was already announced.
The reason for Heartless appearing in Quadratum could most likely be because the MoM brought them there.
I originally didn't plan to comment on this until tomorrow, but now I'm feeling that I might not sleep very much tonight if I don't write this right away...
The biggest surprise for me is the lack of side/non-numbered games before KH4. Both the ending of MoM and the secret ending of KH3 suggested that the next game would have Riku as the main protagonist. Did someone mess up the plans again?
IIRC the unofficial translation of the UX finale already suggested that Quadratum is a form of afterlife, but that was left out of the official one. And the characters we have seen there so far are exactly the ones that should be sort-of but not completely dead. Strelitzia being in there makes sense too, but at the same time it is a bit disappointing for me. I expected finding her to be a quest for Ven and Lauriam.
Another interesting thing is, Quadratum was supposed to be a world without light or darkness. But that clearly isn't the case anymore, as heartless have started appearing there. What could be the reason for this?
And then there is the big thing, another (mobile-only, WtF?!) game with BRAIN AS ONE OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS!! Now, this might be a reason for me to figure out how to run mobile stuff on top of Linux, so I can check it out on my primary computer. I did try that before, almost a year ago when UX was ending, but gave up after a couple of failed attepts. Getting UX and Mtg Arena to work wasn't worth the time, because I could run both on my old Windows system.
I'm thinking about how the timeline could work in this game. To my understanding, Brain started a family in Scala (to become grandfather/ancestor of Eraqus), and then "died" or disappeared (really, time travelled back to the past and became a virus by taking over Luxu's body). As we all know, Disney is allergic to romance and family life stuff, so I don't think they want to show much of that in the story. But they do want to show the beginning (his arrival there) and the end. And it's also probably a long timespan, as Brain would wait until his kids are old enough to take care of themselves before implementing his plan. So, probably the game takes place near the end of that timespan, and we get a lot of flashbacks from earlier events. And from that I want to make a little crackpot prediction: If they are doing that, then it would make sense for the player character in this game to be Brain's child.
So, here's the way I interpret it.
A whole year passed between the ending of KH3 and the Limit Cut episode/Melody of Memory. In the trailer, Strelitzia clearly says it's been "seven days" since he arrived in Quadratum. Assuming that the difference in the flow of time isn't huge, we might be getting Sora spend an entire year in Quadratum before Riku shows up. I don't know if this will take up just a long prologue section or if it'll be the whole game, but my guess is that Riku isn't gonna show up until Sora is well settled in this new reality, or until he perhaps hops over to a different one (i.e., Star Wars) and Riku arrives in Quadratum just too late to catch him.
There is no evidence of any blood relation between Brain and Eraqus yet. It's likely, but nothing has confirmed it. There is also nothing to suggest he has kids. All we know is that Brain was transported an unknown amount of time into the future by Luxu after he possessed his body, and now he's in a version of Scala ad Caelum that I assume is set in between the eras of Daybreak Town and the Xehanort saga. You also have it backwards—Luxu transported Brain into the future, Brain didn't go back to the past.
The Q&A did mention that Nomura debated whether to make KH4 or Verum Rex so we could have gotten/maybe will get a side game. I think it was a good call to focus on KH4 imo but that doesn't mean they won't announce a side game later down the line.
I’m betting Sora broke the barrier between reality and unreality, so his presence is bringing the Heartless through a rift of some sort.
Well just because KH4 was announced, doesn't mean there won't be any side games before it. We got 0.2 after KH3 was already announced.
I guess that is technically true.
What I really meant is: The main objective of that Riku game would have been getting Sora out of Quadratum. That clearly hasn't happened, and it looks like there hasn't been even an attempt for it yet, as the events in the trailer are happening soon after Sora arrived there.
The reason for Heartless appearing in Quadratum could most likely be because the MoM brought them there.
Why would he do that?
If KINGDOM HEARTS IV really will be FINAL FANTASY Versus XIII, then it's safe to assume that, perhaps, Quadratum will be the bulk of the game. Or more so, Japan. Quadratum, to my understanding, is the world that's different to Sora's.
That said, I think we will get Disney properties in KHIV, just that it'll be the more realistic ones (Star Wars, Marvel), to fit more with Quadratum's realistic atmosphere. And I think they'll be interconnected to Japan, so there won't be Gummi Ship or Drop sequence. You walk/train to, say, the forest that seems to be Star Wars.
I guess that is technically true.
What I really meant is: The main objective of that Riku game would have been getting Sora out of Quadratum. That clearly hasn't happened, and it looks like there hasn't been even an attempt for it yet, as the events in the trailer are happening soon after Sora arrived there.
Considering the different flows of time in the KH universe, this could be still possible in KH4 right? I mean, we could have a playable Riku section in the middle of the game, where he heads to Quadratum searching for Sora
If KINGDOM HEARTS IV really will be FINAL FANTASY Versus XIII, then it's safe to assume that, perhaps, Quadratum will be the bulk of the game. Or more so, Japan. Quadratum, to my understanding, is the world that's different to Sora's.
That said, I think we will get Disney properties in KHIV, just that it'll be the more realistic ones (Star Wars, Marvel), to fit more with Quadratum's realistic atmosphere. And I think they'll be interconnected to Japan, so there won't be Gummi Ship or Drop sequence. You walk/train to, say, the forest that seems to be Star Wars.
Taking a train to different worlds would be cool. It would be like the train to Yen Sid's tower in KH2
I'm not speaking of story-related baggage, that's bound to be there since the whole UX-Dark Road-Missing Link stuff has lots of hooks to the old games still, as well as many of the Q&A-questions still pointing towards there still being mysteries from the old games fans of the franchise are interested in.
If you think we're starting from scratch you're mistaken, the story-related baggage from the Dark Seeker-saga is still there as a groundwork for the new stuff.
That's exactly what I meant, there are certain formulas expected of a "numbered title" that get stale over time and also stand in the way of proper and useful pacing.
We're starting from scratch because there's no lingering threads to be dealt with: everyone is rescued and Xehanort is gone. All the things being built up to KH3 have been resolved. The KHUX stuff and all the new concepts introduced in KH3 are things yet to be explored, that were barely touched in the Dark Seeker Saga. There may be repercussions and consequences from the events of the Dark Seeker Saga that affect the Lost Masters Arc, but they're pretty much starting from scratch - no loose threads from the Xehanort storyline.
I don't get how people's perception and expectations of a "numbered" title should make them rename the games to never use numbers. If anything that will reduce sales since if it has a subtitle, people will think it's a pointless side game. Either they just stick to numbered titles all the time and live with the "expectations" while capturing everyone's attention or give the games all subtitles and have the mainstream not care about them/make fun of them for being a side game. It's way easier to just slap a number on them and move on. And ultimately, why should they cater to people's idiotic expectations? What we've seen from KH4 is already showing that Nomura is not afraid of going in a different direction. He maybe even felt that when working on KH3 being tied into the same old formula. Also, there's only 3 numbered titles that this can even based off of and the only one that really succeeded in proper and useful pacing was KH1 - so maybe they should go back to that formula.
I guess that is technically true.
What I really meant is: The main objective of that Riku game would have been getting Sora out of Quadratum. That clearly hasn't happened, and it looks like there hasn't been even an attempt for it yet, as the events in the trailer are happening soon after Sora arrived there.
Why would he do that?
Probably because Sora is there and clearly he's a threat to MoM
Taking a train to different worlds would be cool. It would be like the train to Yen Sid's tower in KH2
Yes. Making Quadratum/Japan a hub-world. The bulk of the story takes place there, alongside neighboring "worlds" (possibly renamed to something else).
Also, someone mentioned this:
"Worlds are currently being developed".
I am expecting this game to be released during 2024, 2025
Wow. All of this is just so overwhelming and exciting. Didn't expect IV to be the next one but I'm all about it. The tone, visuals, and the music feel so similar but have evolved into something so new and fresh. I think Nomura and Shimomura are about to show us what their final form really looks like.
Definitely feel like we have a decent wait ahead of us again but not nearly as long as KH3 took. Let's go y'all.
So what if there are no "worlds" on the Sora side of the story.
What would be cool is Sora visiting an arcade or toy store in Quadradum (there's a huge department store in Shibuya for a start). Instead of gummi ships between worlds, taxi rides between buildings. Instead of literal worlds separating Disney properties, he visits Disney Castle via a literal video game. Or watches Steamboat Willie on the Quadradum version of Netflix.
Imagine while lost and lonely he stumbles across an ad for "Kingdom Hearts" and goes to an arcade to play events he actually experienced first-hand. What if the whole Quadradum reality is full of references to the KH canon in a way that suggests usual KH canon is fiction based on Quadradum reality just like VR was fiction based on KH reality.
If they are currently developing the worlds, I REALLY doubt KH4 is the only console game they are developing right now. I mean there’s still the possibility of UX coming to consoles according to the Nvidia leak.
I'm a little concerned about the comment Nomura made, saying he basically had to choose KH4 over Verum Rex...
The reason I'm concerned, is because KH3/Remind made it pretty freaking clear Yozora, the nameless star, and Luxord are important figures/aspects in the whole Quadratum/Unreality riddle. However... the trailer kind of just kind of forgets about all of that, in order to instead focus on dead-ish Strelitzia (who can't be the nameless star, as she's not from Quadratum as far as we know), Sora, and the fact that Darkness is now here where it shouldn't be. Definitely felt a bit rushed and simplistic; though it seems Nomura has been king procrastinator, and very busy lately - so I guess I'm not too surprised. Its good to know we have at least another full game confirmed coming though, that isn't endlessly delayed mobile madness.
Kudos to anyone who figures out who the narrator's voice is too- if it hasn't already been found out...
This boy's hair gets less and less spiky with each passing title. By KH5, it's just gonna be a bowl cut.
That, or his hair is starting to thin early...
I originally didn't plan to comment on this until tomorrow, but now I'm feeling that I might not sleep very much tonight if I don't write this right away...
The biggest surprise for me is the lack of side/non-numbered games before KH4. Both the ending of MoM and the secret ending of KH3 suggested that the next game would have Riku as the main protagonist. Did someone mess up the plans again?
The more I think about it, the more I realise that Kingdom Hearts IV has already got a lot of foundation set up for it. Kingdom Hearts Dark Road was originally Kingdom Hearts Union X Dark Road which was originally Kingdom Hearts Unchained X which is the iOS/Android port of Kingdom Hearts X which was released all the way back in 2013.
Yes. Making Quadratum/Japan a hub-world. The bulk of the story takes place there, alongside neighboring "worlds" (possibly renamed to something else).
Also, someone mentioned this:
"Worlds are currently being developed".
I am expecting this game to be released during 2024, 2025
Kingdom Hearts II was released in December 2005 in Japan so it wouldn't surprise me if Kingdom Hearts IV has an internal release date for 2025.
Anyone pinpoint the narrator's voice?
So what if there are no "worlds" on the Sora side of the story.
What would be cool is Sora visiting an arcade or toy store in Quadradum (there's a huge department store in Shibuya for a start). Instead of gummi ships between worlds, taxi rides between buildings. Instead of literal worlds separating Disney properties, he visits Disney Castle via a literal video game. Or watches Steamboat Willie on the Quadradum version of Netflix.
Imagine while lost and lonely he stumbles across an ad for "Kingdom Hearts" and goes to an arcade to play events he actually experienced first-hand.
I actually like this a lot.
And it would work fine if Unreality/Fictional realm was just that - as it was even hinted in ToyBox world, that fictional worlds can be accessed in the KH verse, so it wouldn't be too surprising if in the fictional worlds that the real worlds appear as fictional properties. The problem is there's this whole "afterlife" element to it... which makes things screwy. Video games are fictional worlds, but also dead people go in the games... like what?
Your idea is something I could totally see working, though.
Anyone pinpoint the narrator's voice?
I just assumed it was Yozora. Though I haven't heard his JP voice.
I originally didn't plan to comment on this until tomorrow, but now I'm feeling that I might not sleep very much tonight if I don't write this right away...
The biggest surprise for me is the lack of side/non-numbered games before KH4. Both the ending of MoM and the secret ending of KH3 suggested that the next game would have Riku as the main protagonist. Did someone mess up the plans again?
IIRC the unofficial translation of the UX finale already suggested that Quadratum is a form of afterlife, but that was left out of the official one. And the characters we have seen there so far are exactly the ones that should be sort-of but not completely dead. Strelitzia being in there makes sense too, but at the same time it is a bit disappointing for me. I expected finding her to be a quest for Ven and Lauriam.
Another interesting thing is, Quadratum was supposed to be a world without light or darkness. But that clearly isn't the case anymore, as heartless have started appearing there. What could be the reason for this?
And then there is the big thing, another (mobile-only, WtF?!) game with BRAIN AS ONE OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS!! Now, this might be a reason for me to figure out how to run mobile stuff on top of Linux, so I can check it out on my primary computer. I did try that before, almost a year ago when UX was ending, but gave up after a couple of failed attepts. Getting UX and Mtg Arena to work wasn't worth the time, because I could run both on my old Windows system.
I'm thinking about how the timeline could work in this game. To my understanding, Brain started a family in Scala (to become grandfather/ancestor of Eraqus), and then "died" or disappeared (really, time travelled back to the past and became a virus by taking over Luxu's body). As we all know, Disney is allergic to romance and family life stuff, so I don't think they want to show much of that in the story. But they do want to show the beginning (his arrival there) and the end. And it's also probably a long timespan, as Brain would wait until his kids are old enough to take care of themselves before implementing his plan. So, probably the game takes place near the end of that timespan, and we get a lot of flashbacks from earlier events. And from that I want to make a little crackpot prediction: If they are doing that, then it would make sense for the player character in this game to be Brain's child.
I think the heartless appear in Quadratum because Sora is there. I remember it being said in KH1 that the heartless were drawn to the keyblade. Maybe they were never drawn to Quadratum because 1) the people there didn't have actual hearts and 2) there were no keyblades there.
Strelitizia makes mention that Quadratum is an "after world" in the KH4 trailer, so I guess that means it's like an afterlife?
The Riku thing... maybe that has something to do with the light/day aspect of things. Sora wakes up in the day (so does Yozora in the car), while Sora/Riku/Yozora wandered around the city at night. Sora wandered around in his KH3 clothes, but now he's in his KH4 outfit. I feel like there's something different about the day/night settings in Quadratum. Verum Rex takes place at night, the secret video is at night, and there's also the differences in The Final World between day/night. Also, the song's name is "Secrets of the Night".
Also, could the narrator be Luxord/Durol?
Does this mean we can finally put the entire "KH will no longer have Disney" to bed? Sure this game looks more grim and dark than KH3 but I doubt we are gonna be in Quadratum for the entire game. The idea of Donald and Goofy going to Hades for help is a good start to how it could be built going forward for Disney involvement.
My hope is that the game has Sora go to the live-action worlds, while Kairi, Riku, Donald, and Goofy go to the Disney Animation and Pixar Worlds. It would give the game a unique mechanic.
One world I suspect will be in KH4 is Tierra de la Muerte, from Coco. This inclusion would make sense given that Donald and Goofy went to Hades presumably to resurrect Sora. Therefore, their mission will be to bring him back to the world of the living.
Luxu transported Brain into the future,
Yes, he did...
Brain didn't go back to the past.
...but that doesn't rule out this happening too.
Let's put it this way: I still haven't seen any theory that would explain all the known facts, including Luxu's face reveal, the stuff in KH3 secret reports, and a few things in UX story itself, without Brain and Luxu being the same person. If you know one, please give me a link to it.
But let's not derail the thread by starting an argument over this. :)
If they are currently developing the worlds, I REALLY doubt KH4 is the only console game they are developing right now. I mean there’s still the possibility of UX coming to consoles according to the Nvidia leak.
I'm glad you brought that up because there's no way that game is not real when literally every other game from the Square Enix Nvidia leak has been confirmed to be real.
Yes, he did...
...but that doesn't rule out this happening too.
Let's put it this way: I still haven't seen any theory that would explain all the known facts, including Luxu's face reveal, the stuff in KH3 secret reports, and a few things in UX story itself, without Brain and Luxu being the same person. If you know one, please give me a link to it.
But let's not derail the thread by starting an argument over this. :)
Here's what happened, as far as I understand it:
Luxu meets Brain and removes his heart from his body, placing it in the ark to send it forward in time. Luxu then possesses Brain's heartless body and uses it as the first of his many vessels. Brain's heart arrives at an undisclosed point in time, most likely sometime in between UX and Dark Road when Scala ad Caelum looked very different, and once there, Sigurd resurrects his body via his hat and also his own knowledge of Brain, probably handed down through the ages by many Keyblade Masters after Ephemer.
That's about it. If there's anything still unsolved, let me know.
My hope is that the game has Sora go to the live-action worlds, while Kairi, Riku, Donald, and Goofy go to the Disney Animation and Pixar Worlds. It would give the game a unique mechanic.
One world I suspect will be in KH4 is Tierra de la Muerte, from Coco. This inclusion would make sense given that Donald and Goofy went to Hades presumably to resurrect Sora. Therefore, their mission will be to bring him back to the world of the living.
Agreed
Here's what happened, as far as I understand it:
Luxu meets Brain and removes his heart from his body, placing it in the ark to send it forward in time. Luxu then possesses Brain's heartless body and uses it as the first of his many vessels. Brain's heart arrives at an undisclosed point in time, most likely sometime in between UX and Dark Road when Scala ad Caelum looked very different, and once there, Sigurd resurrects his body via his hat and also his own knowledge of Brain, probably handed down through the ages by many Keyblade Masters after Ephemer.
That's about it. If there's anything still unsolved, let me know.
This is what I've always assumed as well, however, a really solid counter point has been - why would Luxu need/want take over Brain's body? Luxu isn't shown to be old or anything or in need of a new body yet...
Was it all just so that he could send Brain to the future? It certainly seems that way...
This is what I've always assumed as well, however, a really solid counter point has been - why would Luxu need/want take over Brain's body? Luxu isn't shown to be old or anything or in need of a new body yet...
Was it all just so that he could send Brain to the future? It certainly seems that way...
Yes, that's my assumption.
I actually like this a lot.
And it would work fine if Unreality/Fictional realm was just that - as it was even hinted in ToyBox world, that fictional worlds can be accessed in the KH verse, so it wouldn't be too surprising if in the fictional worlds that the real worlds appear as fictional properties. The problem is there's this whole "afterlife" element to it... which makes things screwy. Video games are fictional worlds, but also dead people go in the games... like what?
Your idea is something I could totally see working, though.
I swear I'm not trying to be flippant but I just don't care about the plot specifics of whether it's a purgatory or an afterlife in the literal sense. For me the thematic considerations on subjectivity, memory and trauma being explored is far more important than the specific plot mechanic through which they're explored.
Whether that's the granular details of how nobodies are created to whether Quadradum is before, during, after, besides, above or below the original KH universe. In fact, I'd rather they didn't explain it at all, leaving these plot specifics open to interpretation (or avoidance, if people just don't wanna dwell on it).
That would also end the whole "KH is so confusing" take dead in its tracks. KH isn't confusing. It's overexplained. And when you explain something, you give importance to the understanding of it regardless of whether it's warranted. Would DDD really be confusing if we were only told the vague broadstroke details on time travel? Nope. It would be intuitive. And those wanting to dive deep into the specifics would still be able to. We really didn't need Young Zehanort explaining it via scientific notation.
I'd love to read fan interpretations and analysis of exactly what the implications are once it's out. Maybe I'll read yours on whether it's purgatory or an afterlife or a parallel universe. I just really hope the series moves away from the "explain down to the atomic level and dig yourself deeper into a plot hole" way of writing. The game doesn't need to tell us nor justify its more abstract aspects in logical and rational terms.
Nomura will probably explain the heartless using the same answer in Stranger of Paradise. The world is in balance but Sora and his light throws that out so the universe throws in extra darkness to reestablish that balance.
Was it all just so that he could send Brain to the future? It certainly seems that way...
Well Luxu did say that
You're brilliant in every sense of the word. It'd be a waste if your life were to end here. |
so it stands to reason that he made a deal with Brain to get him out of the collapsing world so he may be "of use" further down the timeline.
If there's anything I've taken from Luxu's way of doing things so far as well as all things we know so far of "body snatching" or rather moving hearts into bodies not originally belonging to them it is that the forced method against the will of the original owner of the body like Xehanort did with Terra is neither the only nor likely the most common method to do so.
So in Brain's and Luxu's case I do think it was a voluntary agreed thing to do.
the dearly beloved that plays during missing link trailer is easily the best dearly beloved version so far. need clean version asap.
That, or his hair is starting to thin early...
Yozora gave him a haircut
I thought this was the case seeing as there was no release window confirmed. The development of Kingdom Hearts IV shouldn't take as long as Kingdom Hearts III did when it switched from Luminous Engine to Unreal Engine.
The Nvidia leak did say September 2023, so I'm gonna assume January 2024.
The Nvidia leak did say September 2023, so I'm gonna assume January 2024.
I mean, it has been right so far.
And I sorta doubt early development means what we all think it means.
If September 2023 is their target release, it'd make sense that they'll be trying to have it be close enough by a few months if they can't make the date.
Nomura will probably explain the heartless using the same answer in Stranger of Paradise. The world is in balance but Sora and his light throws that out so the universe throws in extra darkness to reestablish that balance.
Yeah, probably.
I feel like all with the messing around with MoM's plan in UX between Luxu, Brain, and the Darknesses, and the fact MoM specifically mentions unreality to his Darkness counter part, makes me wonder if there wasn't some intentional effort there to just sneak a darkness into Quadratum.
Anyone pinpoint the narrator's voice?
Young Xehanort.
I mean, it has been right so far.
And I sorta doubt early development means what we all think it means.
If September 2023 is their target release, it'd make sense that they'll be trying to have it be close enough by a few months if they can't make the date.
Yeah that's why I estimated January, it gives them breathing room and is still close to the targeted date. The target date for the Cross remaster was only five months off as well.
when is KH4 comming out
So after spending the past few hours back reading and getting caught up on everything, it's time to weigh in on the trailer.
Dark Road- It's certainly nice that we got a trailer, and from the looks of it the remainder of the story will be much deeper than the paper thin setup that we've seen so far...but (and pardon my language) AUGUST!!! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!! Honestly I'm wondering why they ever thought they could release it by the end of last year when it clearly would have never been ready in time. As long as it turns out to be good I'll be content though.
Missing Link- As someone that actually enjoyed Union X (for what it was) I'm moderately excited about this. On the one hand I do agree that it doesn't look great graphically (even by modern mobile game standards) it's also worth mentioning that it won't even enter it's beta until later this year, so the final product should and probably will look significantly better. And most importantly, continuing the story of Brain and exploring Scala ad Caelum's history is very exciting.
Kingdom Hearts IV- The big one. I don't think I've ever experienced so many different emotions while watching a video game trailer. All at once I'm head over heels excited, concerned, confused, overwhelmed, underwhelmed... all that is just scratching the surface. Ultimately, I'm definitely on board and can't wait for whatever crazy wild ride Nomura is taking us on.
Not a fan of Sora's new hairstyle. It ain't Sora without the crazy hair.
Wonder how Lauriam's gonna feel when he learns Sora's shacking up at Strelitzia's place ?
Well I did not expect to see this today. I like Sora's new look, but I literally could not tell that that was him when I first saw this trailer. The gameplay looks very different but fun, and I also liked the look of the Black Coat. Oh! And I love that Hades is going to be an actual plot point to the "After World".
Ok, I'm pretty certain that Donald and Goofy are looking for someone other than Hades.
Ok, I'm pretty certain that Donald and Goofy are looking for someone other than Hades.
Auron Auron Auron Auron Auron Auron
Not a fan of Sora's new hairstyle. It ain't Sora without the crazy hair.
But this is crazy, just in the opposite direction xD
Wonder how Lauriam's gonna feel when he learns Sora's shacking up at Strelitzia's place ?
She rang the doorbell though…
As I recall, the only side games intended to be made original was Birth by Sleep, but then Nintendo wanted a game for the DS and Square and Disney wanted a cell phone game.
The reason Dream Drop Distance was made was also because Nintendo wanted a game for the 3DS.
OK, this always bugged me because like then Nintendo never any KH on Wii in that case? Like there's more to it than just Square going "Well since you asked nicely..."
I actually don't mind Sora's new hairstyle, its not like anime hair like his can exist in a realistic world anyways without lots and lots of hairgel. Makes me wonder if his hair is gonna spring right back up once he enters a Disney world.
Auron Auron Auron Auron Auron Auron
You read my mind.
If they were looking for Hades, they wouldn't be shocked and shit.
My only problem with KH4 is the emphasis on realistic worlds means a lot of Disney’s library of animation will most likely never be used
But this is crazy, just in the opposite direction xD
She rang the doorbell though…
So she's staying at his place, don't know if Lauriam will like that any better~
OK, this always bugged me because like then Nintendo never any KH on Wii in that case? Like there's more to it than just Square going "Well since you asked nicely..."
Their request needs to be accompanied by a fat check lol they're paying for exclusives.
My only problem with KH4 is the emphasis on realistic worlds means a lot of Disney’s library of animation will most likely never be used
I mean, for this go around, yeah, but I don’t think it’s that terrible of a thing.
I’m all for them taking this opportunity to experiment. It’s clear we are going to go back to the way things were before once Sora gets back to his friends.
That guy recording the Heartless invasion still cracks me up. It would have been funny if we got something like that in San Fransokyo
That guy recording the Heartless invasion still cracks me up. It would have been funny if we got something like that in San Fransokyo
Weird shit goes on in San Francisco and nobody stops. I feel like that culture was carried over into San Fransokyo haha
If it wasn't for KH4 being announced with a proper trailer, the event would have been disappointing.
Dark Road keeps getting further and further away and another mobile coming although predictable is still disappointing.
Ok, so Star Wars is all but officially confirmed thanks to the AT-ST foots and the dubiously similar forest
Now what about Marvel?
I vote Spider-Man.
Considering Sora has Flow Motion and now has a grappling hook keyblade I could totally see him and Spider Man swinging through the streets of New York and that would be dope tbh.
Considering Sora has Flow Motion and now has a grappling hook keyblade I could totally see him and Spider Man swinging through the streets of New York and that would be dope tbh.
Plot twist
Spider-Man in Shibuya
I’m betting Sora broke the barrier between reality and unreality, so his presence is bringing the Heartless through a rift of some sort.
Nomura will probably explain the heartless using the same answer in Stranger of Paradise. The world is in balance but Sora and his light throws that out so the universe throws in extra darkness to reestablish that balance.
That’s a wrap folks, pack it up. Pretty predictable story telling if you ask me.
I’m pretty surprised KH4 was announced. Man, the things Unreal Engine can do is impressive. What was shown graphically looks top notch.
They definitely went with the same “fantasy based on reality” theme like FFXV. I’m sort of feeling iffy with Sora being in a “real world” scenario. To me, he sort of feels out of place. I would definitely like to hear more about why he is there. Maybe in Quadratum he’ll find merchandise about him *laughs*
That’s a wrap folks, pack it up. Pretty predictable story telling if you ask me.
I’m pretty surprised KH4 was announced. Man, the things Unreal Engine can do is impressive. What was shown graphically looks top notch.
They definitely went with same “fantasy based on reality” theme like FFXV. I’m sort of feeling iffy with Sora being in a “real world” scenario. To me, he sort of feels out of place. I would definitely like to hear more about why he is there. Maybe in Quadratum he’ll find merchandise about him *laughs*
You could say he's a....Stranger.
You could say he's a....Stranger.
MoM is a meddlesome Lufenian confirmed
MoM is a meddlesome Lufenian confirmed
Well...knowing what they've been doing...
Kingdom Hearts Versus XIII, what an announcement. Looks really great.
[JUSTIFY]Impressions
Kingdom Hearts 4 - I'm really excited to see we're able to explore the Quadratum world in particular because, I felt let down back in Kingdom Hearts three when we didn't get to. Especially as it was being used as the cover art of Kingdom Hearts three. And it was only meant as a secret ending after we got ReMind. So if this can be a whole new storyline without baggage from Kingdom Hearts three, I'll be happy. Baggage being certain beloved, popular characters that got revived and saved. I want to go back to a time where we split between Sora and Riku. Or preferably Yozora. However, I get the feeling Yozora might be saved for when Nomura maybe makes Verum Rex? Beyond that, I love Sora's realistic look. I love the heartless fight because, the design for that was EPIC! Other then that, I'm not surprised to see the black coats because, I'm guessing they're looking for Strelitzia? (Side note, might take a little getting used to a realistic looking Strelitzia.) Honestly, the game could literally be about anything Sora does and I'd be happy. It really looks good, and I can't wait to see what the Unreal Engine 5 will look like! I just want Sora to be able to actually breathe without everyone else around for a change. BUT I'll always love Donald and Goofy as his sidekicks for life.
The only thing I'm hoping we don't see in this new major arc is more clones of Sora.
I do think we'll see Riku, Kairi, and most likely, the rest of the Kingdom Hearts cast considering everyone was looking for Sora in MoM. I just hope it's not a lot. Or if it is a lot, they're doing more besides looking for Sora and training. I want something NEW. FRESH. Which I get the feeling we'll be getting based on the way the game looks so far.
And I hope this new arc covers what's going on with Luxu. The black box. And whatever else that was teased at the end of Kingdom Hearts ReMind. I don't remember if there was a lot teased after MoM.
Missing Link - I don't really care about this unless it somehow comes to the Switch. I know absolutely nothing about The Foretellers outside of Kingdom Hearts 0.2. I also hope this becomes the last of the mobile games. (Probably unlikely because of the weirdly popular era of mobile games we're in.) Considering how much Dark Road flopped, and didn’t last real long. I would be surprised if this did better. If they do improve upon graphics, and gameplay, I could see it being worth playing just to know what's going on after however many mobile games now.[/JUSTIFY]
Ok, so Star Wars is all but officially confirmed thanks to the AT-ST foots and the dubiously similar forest
Now what about Marvel?
I vote Spider-Man.
My suggestion with Marvel has always been to make it like The Hundred Acre Wood, only with comic books instead of Torn Pages. Oh, and Heartless and boss fights. That way, enough Marvel characters have their time to shine and no one is left out.
My suggestion with Marvel has always been to make it like The Hundred Acre Wood, only with comic books instead of Torn Pages. Oh, and Heartless and boss fights. That way, enough Marvel characters have their time to shine and no one is left out.
That would actually be great in my opinion. To me, jumping into comic book pages is not exactly new.
My heart was not ready for this announcement, but by god I'm ready for whatever happens. The unreal engine is looking pretty awesome!
My heart was not ready for this announcement, but by god I'm ready for whatever happens. The unreal engine is looking pretty awesome!
Javelin? I didn't know you had an account here :O
That would actually be great in my opinion. To me, jumping into comic book pages is not exactly new.
That is kind of what happened with the Three Musketeers world.
Considering Sora has Flow Motion and now has a grappling hook keyblade I could totally see him and Spider Man swinging through the streets of New York and that would be dope tbh.
Dude, yes! This would be a great idea. They already got city resources/materials from developing Quadratum. Just add Flow Motion functionality, Spider-Man and a half way decent plot involving some villain trying to be a menace to the city and Sora and Spider-Man team up. Boom. Done.
Here's what happened, as far as I understand it:
Luxu meets Brain and removes his heart from his body, placing it in the ark to send it forward in time. Luxu then possesses Brain's heartless body and uses it as the first of his many vessels. Brain's heart arrives at an undisclosed point in time, most likely sometime in between UX and Dark Road when Scala ad Caelum looked very different, and once there, Sigurd resurrects his body via his hat and also his own knowledge of Brain, probably handed down through the ages by many Keyblade Masters after Ephemer.
That's about it. If there's anything still unsolved, let me know.
The main thing debunking this is secret report #12, which clearly says that Luxu gave away his keyblade before doing any body-hopping, but in the face reveal scene he still has it. Another is secret report #11, where the talk about the virus and "the same trick" has no explanation in this theory, but starts making sense if you assume that Luxu himself is the virus.
This is what I've always assumed as well, however, a really solid counter point has been - why would Luxu need/want take over Brain's body? Luxu isn't shown to be old or anything or in need of a new body yet...
This is also true.
Also, why did Luxu restore Strelitzia and send her to the future? Luxu as MoM's disciple has no reason to do that, as it is against his instructions. But Brain of course would do it, for his friend Lauriam.
You're brilliant in every sense of the word.
It'd be a waste if your life were to end here.
Just for clarification, this wording is from the unofficial translation. The official one is quite lame compared to it. Isn't "brilliant in every sense of the word" as a catchphrase brilliant in every sense of the word? ?
A hypothetical question, would people here be interested in reading a piece of fanfiction where Brain himself explains what is going on behind the scenes in UX?
When Sora reunites with his friends, they'll give him the biggest hug, muss up his hair, and everything will be back to spiky normalcy ♡
New Kingdom Hearts game announced and folks making assumptions about its content, like clockwork.
Strelitizia makes mention that Quadratum is an "after world" in the KH4 trailer, so I guess that means it's like an afterlife?
In Japanese she straight up says "world of death"... I hope they stop censoring death soon, even if this is closer to outright saying it.
You read my mind.
If they were looking for Hades, they wouldn't be shocked and shit.
I mean they'd be shocked that he's appeared right behind them when their guard is down, and scared because he's a threat- and they don't have Sora with them this time.
it doesn't look great graphically (even by modern mobile game standards)
After watching the trailer a few more times (I've probably watched it about 6 times already) I'd like to update this. The graphics look alright during cutscenes and combat, but that Scala overworld looks terrible. I get PS1 Final Fantasy vibes from it and honestly, those games may have looked better.
After watching the trailer a few more times (I've probably watched it about 6 times already) I'd like to update this. The graphics look alright during cutscenes and combat, but that Scala overworld looks terrible. I get PS1 Final Fantasy vibes from it and honestly, those games may have looked better.
It gives me Pokemon Go overworld vibes. In a way I'm wondering if Scala is actually a fixed "world" or if it'll have AR/location based gameplay.
Young Xehanort.
are you joking, or for real?
The main thing debunking this is secret report #12, which clearly says that Luxu gave away his keyblade before doing any body-hopping, but in the face reveal scene he still has it. Another is secret report #11, where the talk about the virus and "the same trick" has no explanation in this theory, but starts making sense if you assume that Luxu himself is the virus.
So, I'm going to spring for an unorthodox reading of that report. The exact line is: "Amid the chaos, I bequeathed my Keyblade to one of the Union leaders, just as the Master instructed." To me, it's not impossible that Luxu was being cheeky here and fudging the truth. He technically did give his Keyblade to Brain, one of the Union leaders—he just also took his body in the process. What he's saying is technically true, but it could be leaving out a lot of details. Luxu/Xigbar feels like the kind of person who would do stuff like that.
And then, of course, we also have to consider the ever-likely explanation that Nomura just didn't know what he wanted to write when he made those reports. Nomura has exhibited time and again that he doesn't think of everything, even though he always tries to make people believe he does. It's quite possible that the idea of Luxu taking over Brain's body and sending his heart into the future was a later idea (keep in mind how much time there was between the release of KH3 and the ending of UX, also the ending was stalled because of extra work that had to be done on it, i.e., maybe story revisions).
My guess is, Nomura thought of a new story he could tell with Brain in the future (or maybe Square just wanted him to make another mobile game), and in order to tell it, he had to retcon (as he so often does) a piece of lore he had established earlier.
It gives me Pokemon Go overworld vibes. In a way I'm wondering if Scala is actually a fixed "world" or if it'll have AR/location based gameplay.
Fun fact! The game is a story mode / Pokemon Go hybrid. You use it in its Pokemon Go form to collect materials to level your Keyblade up but there's Story Missions separate to that.
Not gonna lie, I personally would’ve traded Missing Link for a Kairi side game for the Switch.
Maybe it could take place around the same time as KH4 and also use a revised command deck and have you switch between Kairi and Aqua (both a single party).
Not gonna lie, I personally would’ve traded Missing Link for a Kairi side game for the Switch.
Maybe it could take place around the same time as KH4 and also use a revised command deck and have you switch between Kairi and Aqua (both a single party).
or even a Kairi mobile game would've worked
she could've visited the Kingdom of Corona and meet Rapunzel
Not gonna lie, I personally would’ve traded Missing Link for a Kairi side game for the Switch.
Maybe it could take place around the same time as KH4 and also use a revised command deck and have you switch between Kairi and Aqua (both a single party).
I'm sure everyone would've traded the new gacha mobile game over literally anything else.
I'll probably end up playing it, but I really cant see how KH gameplay will work well on touchscreen, and I doubt it will run super well on my phone also. Gacha mechanics will 100% ruin that game
You guys realize that there are action games that are good on mobile, right? Also Missing Link will probably be playable with a controller like First Soldier.
You guys realize that there are action games that are good on mobile, right? Also Missing Link will probably be playable with a controller like First Soldier.
Nah, I care about my phone battery more than if a game plays well, and the better it plays the more of a drain it is. If it has controller support, then it should be available on console too.
This is also how I feel about First Soldier.
Phones are not accessible to me. Even a "good phone game" is just a good game I don't get to play, instead of a bad game that I wouldn't want to play anyway.
Nomura separating out the pokemon GO thing and the actual game and saying that he doesn't even like the former and you don't have to use it makes it sound like the actual game could be pretty easily ported.
You guys realize that there are action games that are good on mobile, right? Also Missing Link will probably be playable with a controller like First Soldier.
I actually don't realize that. Can you point me to some games so I turn into a believer?
Like honestly, I'm still in awe of what KH4 is shaping up to be, it's surreal to look at this and say "This is Kingdom Hearts". This series really is something else.
Something just came to mind about KH4, Sora is now legally old enough to drive like an actual car. He's been driving ships and disney rides for a long time, but an actual car now in a realistic city is a possibility.
It's crazy how people are assuming that just cuz the trailer was primarily Quadratum, that's gonna be the whole entire game
are you joking, or for real?
Nomura said it's the actor of an existing character altering his voice, and that the character isn't Brain. YX is the best match, although it's certainly possible it truly is someone new and their character just hasn't had a speaking role yet.
It's crazy how people are assuming that just cuz the trailer was primarily Quadratum, that's gonna be the whole entire game
Did they assume that the forrest we saw was part of Quadratum instead of Endor?
KH is never gonna be free of Xehanort is it ??️
Nomura will do everything in his power to keep Xehanort as relevant as possible.
What if Young Xehanort is with the Master of Masters in Quadratum lol
or it could literally be Xehanort as this is an afterworld and Xehanort turned back into a kid at the end of KH3
KH is never gonna be free of Xehanort is it ??️
Of xehanort and black coats.
KH is never gonna be free of Xehanort is it ??️
Probably not xD
But I feel like most of us got the impression post-KH3 that the Boys in Black and White were going to be used for this sort of thing going forward, hence why they refused to call them by their names.
Wait, KH4 takes place a year after MoM which takes place a year after KH3..does that mean Sora is 17 now? That would make Riku an actual adult then.
Wait, KH4 takes place a year after MoM which takes place a year after KH3..does that mean Sora is 17 now? That would make Riku an actual adult then.
MoM takes place while Kairi is in her year-long coma, and ends when she wakes up. So he's just saying that this is Sora in current time as opposed to directly after KH3. At least that's how I interpreted it.
Bear in mind, that's still based off of impressions so might not be entirely correct. Will need to see if anyone else remembers that comment being made and can verify what was said.
Why can't they just port missing link to consoles. what a waste.
Watching this trailer felt like looking up an ex and wondering at what they've done with their hair.
That would also end the whole "KH is so confusing" take dead in its tracks. KH isn't confusing. It's overexplained. And when you explain something, you give importance to the understanding of it regardless of whether it's warranted. Would DDD really be confusing if we were only told the vague broadstroke details on time travel? Nope. It would be intuitive. And those wanting to dive deep into the specifics would still be able to. We really didn't need Young Zehanort explaining it via scientific notation.
If you climb this hill all the way to the top you'll find my unkept weed-overgrown gravestone there dated circa 2015.
The Nvidia leak did say September 2023, so I'm gonna assume January 2024.
I can see a March 2024 release date for the game. Hopefully, Disney ensures that Square Enix makes it a simultaneous worldwide release.
Auron Auron Auron Auron Auron Auron
I love this idea. I want to see Auron return. Maybe Yuna, Rikku, and Paine can also help with finding Sora, too?
If it wasn't for KH4 being announced with a proper trailer, the event would have been disappointing.
Dark Road keeps getting further and further away and another mobile coming although predictable is still disappointing.
I still think that the Kingdom Hearts Unchained X remake/port is still happening.
What if Young Xehanort is with the Master of Masters in Quadratum lol
or it could literally be Xehanort as this is an afterworld and Xehanort turned back into a kid at the end of KH3
I can totally see Xehanort wanting to turn a new leaf in Quadratum which in turn no longer makes him a villain.
KH is never gonna be free of Xehanort is it ??️
He is Nomura's fave, author's fave have more lives than the fandom's fave
I can totally see Xehanort wanting to turn a new leaf in Quadratum which in turn no longer makes him a villain.
he will be somewhat mix of Orochimaru and Homura Akemi and I will have my fun watching fandom lost it over anything related to him
All right, I've watched this trailer at least a dozen times since, but am I the only one who keeps expecting Queen's We Will Rock You to start playing in the beginning of the Missing Link portion, particularly around 2:06?
All right, I've watched this trailer at least a dozen times since, but am I the only one who keeps expecting Queen's We Will Rock You to start playing in the beginning of the Missing Link portion, particularly around 2:06?
Not exactly, but that song intro is a banger.
Why can't they just port missing link to consoles. what a waste.
I'm surprised they aren't doing a Genshin Impact thing where it's mobile and console/PC.
If I'm honest, I don't mind having another KH game to plug a bit of time into every day and slowly get new content for.
It was kind of nice.
I'm just a bit worried that chasing KH's signature flashy action on mobile will wind up running like shit.
My only problem with KH4 is the emphasis on realistic worlds means a lot of Disney’s library of animation will most likely never be used
That just means we might get Disney's older live-action movies. Could be a situation where Quadratum is the only industrialized area in the afterlife and everything else is stuck in the '50s. I'm holding out for Pete's Dragon.
[S]And Song of the South.[/S]
A tad late on the celebration of the game's grand triumphant announcement but...
Great.... Rattling.... Dry-Bones.... on.... a.... Spicy-hot... Lava Pirahna!! Smack me with a hammer and spring-launch me to Toytime Galaxy, mate!! I'm going to be honest; I was NOT expecting Kingdom Hearts IV this soon! Of course, I was expecting Verum Rex to have a strong involvement in phase 2 of the Kingdom Hearts lore, but everything I've seen stuffed in this 2-minute trailer throws almost every prediction I've made for KHIV out the window! I originally made a prediction that Verum Rex would be released first before KHIV to mark a strong introduction to Yozora, but given the fact that many KH fans have been greatly concerned about Sora's fate and where he would end up, I have no arguments against it.
What caught me by surprise was the fact that Sora has gone through a major design overhaul to better fit in the city of Quadratum within the realm of fiction. Sora's design really seems to mark some strong similarities to his outfit he wore in the group art piece that Tetsuya Nomura made a year ago. Boy, am I gonna miss Sora's iconic clown shoes and spiky hair, and it's not the easiest thing to accept for KH's future, but I at least hope his realistic design just for the world of Unreality!
The second thing that astonished me is of course the Osaka team's decision to transfer the game development over to the Unreal Engine 5. I had a strong assumption that the staff would take things slow and just stick to the Unreal Engine 4, and switching game production over to the UE5 now does give me the case of the worrywarts. Just look at it this way: When Kingdom Hearts III was first announced in 2013, the system was run entirely by Square Enix's in-house engine called The Luminous Engine and not later until early 2014, the Osaka team decided to carry development over to the Unreal Engine 4. This in turn forced the staff to start gave development over from scratch, and thus starting a painful, 6 year long wait for the games release for all KH fans, myself included. In a more positive note of switching game engines, The Unreal Engine 4 allowed the staff to take advantage of their shading engine which they dub the "Kingdom Shader" to replicate the visuals of each Disney film into their game, though not fully. On the more positive note of the Osaka team's move, I hope the the transition of switching game of production of KHIV from the Unreal 4 to Unreal 5 goes as smoothly. It really gives the game developers the opportunity to take advantage of UE5's new Nanite/Lumin technology. I mean, Nanite allows you to port CGI film-like quality assets into your game with up to a trillion polygons. I imagine the Osaka team would have no problem porting assets straight Walt Disney Animation Studios' animated films within minutes if not days. The Nanite software would be an absolute cinch to use if the staff are able to gain full grasp of its graphical capabilities. I'm also pray that they pull off a hyper realistic live-action world or two for KHIV!
Speaking of live-action worlds, there's also the sticking point in the trailer, and that is the strongly hinted Star Wars world that we've long anticipated! In the potential KH worlds thread, I predicted that we'd see a Star Wars world in KHIV, and that prediction may have actually come true! And it seems as though the world's story in the KH universe will be likely taking place during "Return of the Jedi" since the scenery we're looking at takes place in Planet Endor, and that actually makes much more sense than centering the story around "A New Hope". I mean, there are SO many obvious signs in this undiscovered world that hints a Star Wars world, especially a small glimpse of a walker's foot. I'm actually shaking like a Bob-omb ready to explode in excitement in seeing the Star Wars world in action, and I hope Tetsuya Nomura does the honorable justice in nailing the source material/gameplay elements. I can hardly stop myself from imagining Sora teaming up alongside with Luke Skywalker in striking down the heartless with a lightsaber-like keyblade in his hand!
I'm also feeling as crazy as a Crazy Dayzee for Strelitzia's proper introduction in the 3-D Kingdom-Hearts titles! I think her role would be without a doubt magnificent in the latest KH installment. There's so much mystery revolving around Strelitzia and how she came to be in Quadratum, after her tragic demise by Ventus' darkness, and I'm really eager in how her story will unfold further.
There's so much content packed in this trailer, that I'm not sure where to start first in dissecting all of it: The story, the graphics, the gameplay elements, the characters, the worlds and Quadratum in general! I could go with the graphics as a starter, but likely nothing else, and the announcement comes at the time where I'm still working on a thread for a potential 101 Dalmatian Street world! I'm so excited for KH's next exciting installment, and I look forward to what Mr. Nomura and his team brings to the table for all KH fans!
A tad late on the celebration of the game's grand triumphant announcement but...
Great.... Rattling.... Dry-Bones.... on.... a.... Spicy-hot... Lava Pirahna!! Smack me with a hammer and spring-launch me to Toytime Galaxy, mate!! I'm going to be honest; I was NOT expecting Kingdom Hearts IV this soon! Of course, I was expecting Verum Rex to have a strong involvement in phase 2 of the Kingdom Hearts lore, but everything I've seen stuffed in this 2-minute trailer throws almost every prediction I've made for KHIV out the window! I originally made a prediction that Verum Rex would be released first before KHIV to mark a strong introduction to Yozora, but given the fact that many KH fans have been greatly concerned about Sora's fate and where he would end up, I have no arguments against it.
What caught me by surprise was the fact that Sora has gone through a major design overhaul to better fit in the city of Quadratum within the realm of fiction. Sora's design really seems to mark some strong similarities to his outfit he wore in the group art piece that Tetsuya Nomura made a year ago. Boy, am I gonna miss Sora's iconic clown shoes and spiky hair, and it's not the easiest thing to accept for KH's future, but I at least hope his realistic design just for the world of Unreality!
The second thing that astonished me is of course the Osaka team's decision to transfer the game development over to the Unreal Engine 5. I had a strong assumption that the staff would take things slow and just stick to the Unreal Engine 4, and switching game production over to the UE5 now does give me the case of the worrywarts. Just look at it this way: When Kingdom Hearts III was first announced in 2013, the system was run entirely by Square Enix's in-house engine called The Luminous Engine and not later until early 2014, the Osaka team decided to carry development over to the Unreal Engine 4. This in turn forced the staff to start gave development over from scratch, and thus starting a painful, 6 year long wait for the games release for all KH fans, myself included. In a more positive note of switching game engines, The Unreal Engine 4 allowed the staff to take advantage of their shading engine which they dub the "Kingdom Shader" to replicate the visuals of each Disney film into their game, though not fully. On the more positive note of the Osaka team's move, I hope the the transition of switching game of production of KHIV from the Unreal 4 to Unreal 5 goes as smoothly. It really gives the game developers the opportunity to take advantage of UE5's new Nanite/Lumin technology. I mean, Nanite allows you to port CGI film-like quality assets into your game with up to a trillion polygons. I imagine the Osaka team would have no problem porting assets straight Walt Disney Animation Studios' animated films within minutes if not days. The Nanite software would be an absolute cinch to use if the staff are able to gain full grasp of its graphical capabilities. I'm also pray that they pull off a hyper realistic live-action world or two for KHIV!
Speaking of live-action worlds, there's also the sticking point in the trailer, and that is the strongly hinted Star Wars world that we've long anticipated! In the potential KH worlds thread, I predicted that we'd see a Star Wars world in KHIV, and that prediction may have actually come true! And it seems as though the world's story in the KH universe will be likely taking place during "Return of the Jedi" since the scenery we're looking at takes place in Planet Endor, and that actually makes much more sense than centering the story around "A New Hope". I mean, there are SO many obvious signs in this undiscovered world that hints a Star Wars world, especially a small glimpse of a walker's foot. I'm actually shaking like a Bob-omb ready to explode in excitement in seeing the Star Wars world in action, and I hope Tetsuya Nomura does the honorable justice in nailing the source material/gameplay elements. I can hardly stop myself from imagining Sora teaming up alongside with Luke Skywalker in striking down the heartless with a lightsaber-like keyblade in his hand!
I'm also feeling as crazy as a Crazy Dayzee for Strelitzia's proper introduction in the 3-D Kingdom-Hearts titles! I think her role would be without a doubt magnificent in the latest KH installment. There's so much mystery revolving around Strelitzia and how she came to be in Quadratum, after her tragic demise by Ventus' darkness, and I'm really eager in how her story will unfold further.
There's so much content packed in this trailer, that I'm not sure where to start first in dissecting all of it: The story, the graphics, the gameplay elements, the characters, the worlds and Quadratum in general! I could go with the graphics as a starter, but likely nothing else, and the announcement comes at the time where I'm still working on a thread for a potential 101 Dalmatian Street world! I'm so excited for KH's next exciting installment, and I look forward to what Mr. Nomura and his team brings to the table for all KH fans!
A thing to keep in mind: going from Unreal Engine 4 to 5 is nowhere near the level of headache as it was for KH3 to go from Luminous to UE4. One, Luminous was an in house engine with its own issues and problems, its own coding. Two, there's an easy upgrade path from UE4 to 5, which includes assets carrying over.
On top of that, UE4 was used primarily as a test piece/way to make the trailer, not that they've put in a couple years of development before switching engines. When KH3 was swapped from Luminous, they couldn't use a single thing they had before the swap. At all. Nada. That isn't the case here, every asset in the trailer will be useable in the final product.
So keeping the current scheme of things in mind are we ready to contend with the uneasy irony that Kairi would have actually been more relevant as a character if she had stayed dead?
Simply amazing, Nomura.
You know if Kairi had stayed dead only to reappear in KH4 ironically that would have been the perfect way for her and Sora to get some much needed screentime together. But nope, gotta let Streletzia be the new girl instead because Kairi is a lost cause.
Something just came to mind about KH4, Sora is now legally old enough to drive like an actual car. He's been driving ships and disney rides for a long time, but an actual car now in a realistic city is a possibility.
oh please let us drive. I want Quadratum to be a mix of GTA x Watch Dogs x classic KH x Yakuza. xD
What if Young Xehanort is with the Master of Masters in Quadratum lol
or it could literally be Xehanort as this is an afterworld and Xehanort turned back into a kid at the end of KH3
Honestly, this was what I was thinking. He and Eraqus passed on into Quadratum. They've found their friends and are living a pretty chill life being reborn in Quadratum. It would be a nice send off for them all after Dark Road.
Or they remember and Sora finds Xehanort at a boba shop and the dude taunts him with a sarcastic "wow I can't believe I was right *sips tea*"
So keeping the current scheme of things in mind are we ready to contend with the uneasy irony that Kairi would have actually been more relevant as a character if she had stayed dead?
Never too late to try again.
If I don’t get the ability to summon Grogu to eat the heartless and do backflips then what’s the point of Kingdom Hearts 4!? ?
oh please let us drive. I want Quadratum to be a mix of GTA x Watch Dogs x classic KH x Yakuza. xD
Honestly, this was what I was thinking. He and Eraqus passed on into Quadratum. They've found their friends and are living a pretty chill life being reborn in Quadratum. It would be a nice send off for them all after Dark Road.
Or they remember and Sora finds Xehanort at a boba shop and the dude taunts him with a sarcastic "wow I can't believe I was right *sips tea*"
Bet Xehanort, Eraqus, and their friends would have a pretty sweet penthouse in Quadratum. Hell, they could be Sora and Strelitzia's next door neighbors, lol
Bet Xehanort, Eraqus, and their friends would have a pretty sweet penthouse in Quadratum. Hell, they could be Sora and Strelitzia's next door neighbors, lol
Omg now that you’ve mentioned it, I can totally see Nomura bringing back Xehanort and Eraqus in Quadratum if it’s the KH equivalent to the afterlife
Honestly, this was what I was thinking. He and Eraqus passed on into Quadratum. They've found their friends and are living a pretty chill life being reborn in Quadratum. It would be a nice send off for them all after Dark Road.
Oh dang, I think this is highly likely now.
Also, if the Scala kids ended up there, it would explain why Young Xehanort knew what would happen to Sora. And why Yen Sid said Xehanort was aware of Quadratum for some time in MoM. Things are starting to come together now.
I can't wait until Sora finds Xehanort at a random coffee shop in Shibuya and fist fights him in the parking lot.
admittedly I never played union cross. I tried to play it briefly when it was an html5 game. anyway missing link looks really cool. im also really curious what engine it uses. it looks like it could easily run on switch and at the same time corona looks really good in missing link. I think this looks really cool. at the same time it doesn't look like the exposition dumps are ever going to end for kingdom hearts games. it was cool when kingdom hearts chain of memories did it. mainly because the gba game really took advantage of the hardware. I guess mobile is the new portable console of the day but Ill always prefer portable consoles with built in controllers like the vita or the switch.
I just realized that Repliku could return in Quadratum
If I don’t get the ability to summon Grogu to eat the heartless and do backflips then what’s the point of Kingdom Hearts 4!? ?
KH4 should be cancelled if there is no Grogu.
I just realized that Repliku could return in Quadratum
This is actually what made me consider Xehanort and his friends. I thought about how he could be alive in Quadratum and then it snowballed. I feel like this is the perfect place to just have a bunch of dead or assumed to be dead characters chillin’.
You know this would be the perfect place to see the TWEWY gang again, or even for Sora to meet Rindo and the others from NEO since his new design takes heavy inspiration from modern Tokyo like they do.
I have several thoughts regarding what has been shown off in the anniversary trailer:
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[*]Do you think, based on what has been revealed about Missing-Link so far, that the entire story will be released at the same time, or will it be gradual story updates? I hope it is the former, but the latter seems more likely to pass the time between now and the release of Kingdom Hearts IV.
[*]Speaking of Kingdom Hearts IV, I think the game will be released in 2024. This is coming from somebody with no knowledge of game engines and game development, so I’m going to say late 2024-early 2025 is the earliest we could see the game being released.
[*]I personally hope that Riku, Mickey, Kairi, Terra, Aqua, Ventus, Roxas, Xion, Lea, and Namine are in Kingdom Hearts IV just for the sake of having those characters be in the game (with voice acting for those characters). I will acknowledge that they don’t have to play a big role in the plot, just a couple of scenes of them moving the plot regarding the Lost Masters in the Realm of Light forward while Sora is off in Quadratum. I will also acknowledge that this approach I am suggesting may compound further issues involving those characters that people have expressed (the writing of the female characters, Lea not being an interesting character, etc.).
[*]If that is Endor in the trailer (and personally I don’t think it is), I wouldn’t mind Star Wars showing up. I understand the issues people would have with Star Wars being included, but I think I am confident Nomura and co. will find a way to integrate it into the Kingdom Hearts mythology without creating a whole slew of contradictions (using parallel universes as an explanation).
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What are your thoughts about these ideas I have?
I just assumed Repliku was deader-than-dead at this point. To me, it seemed like he didn't even want to be brought back in 3? Or was it just they weren't able to do for him what they did for Roxas, Xion, and Namine (the whole cyborg bodies, lol)? I'd love if he was brought back at some point.
I like how so many people have an issue with Star Wars being in KH, usually citing the multiple planets and such, while we already had Lilo and Stitch represented. That too would have multiple planets just by the plot. If they had a Treasure Planet world it would have the same "issue".
Santa canonically visits multiple worlds/planets in KH. There are multiple Londons and Frances of different time periods coexisting. Why would Star Wars be a stretch of the imagination? Lol.
On top of that, it isn't like Star Wars is really that high on a list of well plotted out/lore filled universes. It's always been a popcorn flick franchise riding on the coattails of more original ideas. It wouldn't exist without the John Carter or Dune books having been heavily influential before them. Might get a little hate for it, but "blaspheming" Star Wars isn't a crime of some monumental proportions. Them having a world in KH isn't some horrible thing that'll ruin either franchise. It isn't any more of a crime to adapt Star Wars than it is to adapt anything they already have.
I have several thoughts regarding what has been shown off in the anniversary trailer:
[LIST]
[*]Do you think, based on what has been revealed about Missing-Link so far, that the entire story will be released at the same time, or will it be gradual story updates? I hope it is the former, but the latter seems more likely to pass the time between now and the release of Kingdom Hearts IV.
[*]Speaking of Kingdom Hearts IV, I think the game will be released in 2024. This is coming from somebody with no knowledge of game engines and game development, so I’m going to say late 2024-early 2025 is the earliest we could see the game being released.
[*]I personally hope that Riku, Mickey, Kairi, Terra, Aqua, Ventus, Roxas, Xion, Lea, and Namine are in Kingdom Hearts IV just for the sake of having those characters be in the game (with voice acting for those characters). I will acknowledge that they don’t have to play a big role in the plot, just a couple of scenes of them moving the plot regarding the Lost Masters in the Realm of Light forward while Sora is off in Quadratum. I will also acknowledge that this approach I am suggesting may compound further issues involving those characters that people have expressed (the writing of the female characters, Lea not being an interesting character, etc.).
[*]If that is Endor in the trailer (and personally I don’t think it is), I wouldn’t mind Star Wars showing up. I understand the issues people would have with Star Wars being included, but I think I am confident Nomura and co. will find a way to integrate it into the Kingdom Hearts mythology without creating a whole slew of contradictions (using parallel universes as an explanation).
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What are your thoughts about these ideas I have?
It’ll be updated for Missing-Link. It’s a mobile game with pretty clear gacha mechanics ala the character trophies.
I like how so many people have an issue with Star Wars being in KH, usually citing the multiple planets and such, while we already had Lilo and Stitch represented. That too would have multiple planets just by the plot. If they had a Treasure Planet world it would have the same "issue".
Santa canonically visits multiple worlds/planets in KH. There are multiple Londons and Frances of different time periods coexisting. Why would Star Wars be a stretch of the imagination? Lol.
On top of that, it isn't like Star Wars is really that high on a list of well plotted out/lore filled universes. It's always been a popcorn flick franchise riding on the coattails of more original ideas. It wouldn't exist without the John Carter or Dune books having been heavily influential before them. Might get a little hate for it, but "blaspheming" Star Wars isn't a crime of some monumental proportions. Them having a world in KH isn't some horrible thing that'll ruin either franchise. It isn't any more of a crime to adapt Star Wars than it is to adapt anything they already have.
I'm just a hater man, I don't have a solid reason
I still say the best way to integrate Star Wars into Kingdom Hearts is to make it a world that exists somewhere in time ala Timeless River. I’m thinking the future considering we’ve already Time travelled to the past. If you really think about it, Jedi are just sci fi keyblade masters
Is it weird that I don't really want to see most of the returning cast? They already didn't really do much in KH3 which was about their return, and them appearing now would just be some more scenes in the KH3 sets where Yen Sid tells them to go look for Sora somewhere that won't actually matter or effect anything, and to me that is doing them way less justice than just having them assumed to be hanging out offscreen.
Everyone is assuming that Quadratum is the afterlife, but Strelitzia makes it clear that its "sort of" an afterlife for her and Sora. I don't think we are gonna run into old friends.
I hope Yen Sid dies.
NO actually that would mean he could turn up in Quadratum urgh. I hope he's in like Disney purgatory then
Guess that means Yen Sid will end up in the Disney Vault then.
I hope Yen Sid dies.
NO actually that would mean he could turn up in Quadratum urgh. I hope he's in like Disney purgatory then
First Kairi, now Yen Sid. Must I remind everyone that this is a Disney game. There’s only so many good guy casualties they can allow.
It’ll be updated for Missing-Link. It’s a mobile game with pretty clear gacha mechanics ala the character trophies.
Sorry for coming off a bit oblivious. Yes, I am aware that Missing-Link is obviously going to be a gacha game. What I think I was trying to get at is if the entire story will be released when Missing-Link will launch, like what they're doing with the rest of Dark Road. I do think that there will be story updates like Union X [cross] so that we have something to tide us over for Kingdom Hearts IV's release. But, given the fact the game will seemingly have voice acting akin to the main games in the series, I was thinking they would release the whole story in one fell swoop.
Sorry for coming off a bit oblivious. Yes, I am aware that Missing-Link is obviously going to be a gacha game. What I think I was trying to get at is if the entire story will be released when Missing-Link will launch, like what they're doing with the rest of Dark Road. I do think that there will be story updates like Union X [cross] so that we have something to tide us over for Kingdom Hearts IV's release. But, given the fact the game will seemingly have voice acting akin to the main games in the series, I was thinking they would release the whole story in one fell swoop.
hmm, no? dark road was released in episodes.
we just getting the final chapters at once this time around.
First Kairi, now Yen Sid. Must I remind everyone that this is a Disney game. There’s only so many good guy casualties they can allow.
I don't think this is true.
hmm, no? dark road was released in episodes.
we just getting the final chapters at once this time around.
Thank you for the correction. I will apply the "wait-and-see" approach with Missing-Link then.
Idea: the player character from UX ended up in the Quadratum at the same time as Xehanort due to their connection but forgot who they were along the way and is now a fourth wal breaking crackpot that believes all his friends abandoned him
Sorry for coming off a bit oblivious. Yes, I am aware that Missing-Link is obviously going to be a gacha game. What I think I was trying to get at is if the entire story will be released when Missing-Link will launch, like what they're doing with the rest of Dark Road. I do think that there will be story updates like Union X [cross] so that we have something to tide us over for Kingdom Hearts IV's release. But, given the fact the game will seemingly have voice acting akin to the main games in the series, I was thinking they would release the whole story in one fell swoop.
My point about it being a gacha game is that they will need consistent content to keep people playing and buying into their game economy. This can only be supported by having frequent story updates alongside whatever they will be selling.
Dark Road is only releasing as a whole now because the service is dead and they aren’t making money on it anymore. Before UX ended, it was receiving updates (inconsistently haha) and had a difficulty curve that required you to grind and spend to keep on top of the story updates.
Not gonna lie, I personally would’ve traded Missing Link for a Kairi side game for the Switch.
Maybe it could take place around the same time as KH4 and also use a revised command deck and have you switch between Kairi and Aqua (both a single party).
I'd trade it for any game on Switch. A rhythm game and cloud streaming being the extent of the series' presence* is mind-numbing. Get the NEO team on something, remake Days, commission a Warriors title, a Nintendo worlds game with Grand Central Station as the hub, Dissidia KH, SOMETHING!
*And Smash too technically.
I think the characters that are pushed to the side should still show up but they could just show up in side quests or optional Gummi Phone texts or something
Non-voiced conversations to check in on characters would be absolutely perfect. It'd be significantly more budget-efficient and give huge fans like us a bunch of extra text to dig into without having to necessarily link to the main story.
I don't think Quadratum is the actual end all and be all afterlife. If it was it'd be anticlimactic and lessen the stakes about dying as soon as people returned to the real world. What I personally theorize is that it is such for people who have been banished from reality, meaning that if Kairi died back then she would be dead for good, but Sora committing a nature taboo has thrown him here. Basically the idea of a specific Purgatory.
After watching the announcement trailer for 358/2 times i just realized that unless Goofy's new VA can imitate perfectly Goofy's previous JP VA's voice, Goofy and Donald's part were recorded in 2019 since that's the year where Shimaka Yuu passed away.
It may be the new voice actor but i don't have any way to check if it's him since Goofy doesn't talk too much in MoM and he doesn't talk at all in remind
Is Quadratum an afterlife for everyone. I got the notion it was only so for Sora and Strilitzia (that she/we know of). She made it seem like it’s an actual world but they were the only people in that world who arrived after their death.
My point about it being a gacha game is that they will need consistent content to keep people playing and buying into their game economy. This can only be supported by having frequent story updates alongside whatever they will be selling.
Dark Road is only releasing as a whole now because the service is dead and they aren’t making money on it anymore. Before UX ended, it was receiving updates (inconsistently haha) and had a difficulty curve that required you to grind and spend to keep on top of the story updates.
Thank you for the correction regarding the nature of Missing-Link. Looks like the fans will have to endure additional waits for story updates...again.
I don't think Quadratum is the actual end all and be all afterlife. If it was it'd be anticlimactic and lessen the stakes about dying as soon as people returned to the real world. What I personally theorize is that it is such for people who have been banished from reality, meaning that if Kairi died back then she would be dead for good, but Sora committing a nature taboo has thrown him here. Basically the idea of a specific Purgatory.
Could Strelitzia have been banished because she shows up in Lauriam's dream and also tells him not to hate Ven or whatever?
Is Quadratum an afterlife for everyone. I got the notion it was only so for Sora and Strilitzia (that she/we know of). She made it seem like it’s an actual world but they were the only people in that world who arrived after their death.
No, it isn't. It's well established that normally, when someone dies in KH universe, their heart joins Kingdom Hearts, which is roughly equivalent to the concept of World Soul in Hinduism and Buddhism. That means, they cease to exist as an individual. However, there are exceptions for this rule. Some worlds have a form of afterlife specific to them. So far we have seen two of these, Underworld in Olympus and Davy Jones' Locker in Caribbean.
The official translation of UX is very unclear (or censored) about this, but from the unofficial one we can see that the Master of Masters wanted to avoid wasting a large number of lives in the Keyblade War. I don't think he created Quadratum (he said it is too strange even for him to understand), but he discovered its existence and connected it to KG to function as its world specific form of afterlife, so the people who died in the war would end up there.
Now, let's consider all the people we know are in Quadratum:
[LIST]
[*]From Yen Sid at the end of Melody of Memory we know that "Ancient Masters", which must refer to the foretellers, went there. They died in the Keyblade War in KG.
[*]Sora disappeared from Destiny Islands, but the breaking of the laws of nature that resulted in his disappearance happened in KG. In that sense he sealed his fate there.
[*]The last time we saw Luxord, he was dying in the KG. We assumed that he would be recompleted, but if that failed to happen for some reason, then he would have ended up in Quadratum.
[*]For Strelitzia, we don't know for sure. There seem to be two possibilities. First, it's possible that the ark/lifeboat can transport people directly to Quadratum, and Luxu simply sent her there with it. Second, she could have been sent into the future just like the others, landed in some world (which must have been KG for this theory to work), and then there wasn't anyone there to summon her body back. I would assume that after some time in limbo, she became dead again.
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For Strelitzia, we don't know for sure. There seem to be two possibilities. First, it's possible that the ark/lifeboat can transport people directly to Quadratum, and Luxu simply sent her there with it. Second, she could have been sent into the future just like the others, landed in some world (which must have been KG for this theory to work), and then there wasn't anyone there to summon her body back. I would assume that after some time in limbo, she became dead again.
Data-Strelitzia
- Died well before the Dandelions and Union Leaders were transferred to Data Daybreak Town
- Her data should still exist (like everyone else who died/didn't transfer), but Lauriam never finds her
- She is last seen being escorted by a black coat
Data-Strelitzia
- Died well before the Dandelions and Union Leaders were transferred to Data Daybreak Town
- Her data should still exist (like everyone else who died/didn't transfer), but Lauriam never finds her
- She is last seen being escorted by a black coat
She was the "True Dandelion" Luxu sent somewhere with the machine. I guess this is technically not 100% confirmed, but it's good enough for me.
Imagine
Sora is doing his usual thing in Quadratum
beating up Heartless and shit.
He looks to see a black hooded figure facing away from him and immediately starts a confrontation cuz he still thinks that Org XIII is the only group that wears black hoods
The figure turns around...and starts spouting shit about equations.
Imagine
Sora is doing his usual thing in Quadratum
beating up Heartless and shit.
He looks to see a black hooded figure facing away from him and immediately starts a confrontation cuz he still thinks that Org XIII is the only group that wears black hoods
The figure turns around...and starts spouting shit about equations.
I wish... The name Quadratum screams equations to me, so it'd be great to have him around.
I keep hoping for Hanekoma to be in Quadratum; preferably as the owner of the Bow Meow café you can see in the Data Greeting level design. I want a scene in which he picks apart Sora's gummiphone, and I want him to be able to casually step across realities.
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Also, that gameplay footage looks so underwhelming and I'm surprised they even presented it. Why not just leave it at cutscenes and pre-rendered footage.
Movement and interaction with the environment looks great. the environments themselves look below awful. Uniform lighting. Bland textures. Nondescript buildings. Empty interiors.
I know it's a work in progress and will look nothing like this upon release. So why show it at all. People who aren't KH fans will see that and think "the heck is this fan made tech demo?"
Also, thank fook it's UE5. Jeez. Do we know which teams are working on this? Is there any chance SE Europe devs will be involved?
UE5 bodes well for the lighting and texture issues.
Also the full backwards compatibility with UE4. Hopefully helps with concerns that SE is so incompetent that upgrading an eight year old engine is beyond their capabilities as a developer.
The fact so many people are genuinely concerned about this (enough to actually state they'd prefer SE didn't upgrade!) should be a mark of shame for any credible publisher or developer.
Let alone one of the world's most prestigious ones. Teen youtubers are assuring viewers all of their UE4 tutorials will still be valid on UE5. It would have been a shocking decision to stick with such a dated engine after KH3, which itself felt like a previous generation game modded with a hi-res texture pack.
UE5 bodes well for the lighting and texture issues.
Also the full backwards compatibility with UE4. Hopefully helps with concerns that SE is so incompetent that upgrading an eight year old engine is beyond their capabilities as a developer.
The fact so many people are genuinely concerned about this (enough to actually state they'd prefer SE didn't upgrade!) should be a mark of shame for any credible publisher or developer.
Let alone one of the world's most prestigious ones. Teen youtubers are assuring viewers all of their UE4 tutorials will still be valid on UE5. It would have been a shocking decision to stick with such a dated engine after KH3, which itself felt like a previous generation game modded with a hi-res texture pack.
Not only do you seem spammy, but also overly sensitive and angry about the way a first trailer for a video game looks. Not only will it improve, but even if the game looked exactly as it does now, it'd still be one of the better games out there visually right now.
Nobody is actually talking about this supposed "failing". Most people seem surprised, excited, or curious about the game. And a lot are actually praising it for looking as good as it does, considering it's an early trailer.
As if graphics were the be all end all anyway. Elden Ring being a top contender for Game of the Year proves that gameplay is king. There are plenty of games that look way better visually than Elden Ring.
No, it isn't. It's well established that normally, when someone dies in KH universe, their heart joins Kingdom Hearts, which is roughly equivalent to the concept of World Soul in Hinduism and Buddhism. That means, they cease to exist as an individual. However, there are exceptions for this rule. Some worlds have a form of afterlife specific to them. So far we have seen two of these, Underworld in Olympus and Davy Jones' Locker in Caribbean.
The official translation of UX is very unclear (or censored) about this, but from the unofficial one we can see that the Master of Masters wanted to avoid wasting a large number of lives in the Keyblade War. I don't think he created Quadratum (he said it is too strange even for him to understand), but he discovered its existence and connected it to KG to function as its world specific form of afterlife, so the people who died in the war would end up there.
Now, let's consider all the people we know are in Quadratum:
[LIST]
[*]From Yen Sid at the end of Melody of Memory we know that "Ancient Masters", which must refer to the foretellers, went there. They died in the Keyblade War in KG.
[*]Sora disappeared from Destiny Islands, but the breaking of the laws of nature that resulted in his disappearance happened in KG. In that sense he sealed his fate there.
[*]The last time we saw Luxord, he was dying in the KG. We assumed that he would be recompleted, but if that failed to happen for some reason, then he would have ended up in Quadratum.
[*]For Strelitzia, we don't know for sure. There seem to be two possibilities. First, it's possible that the ark/lifeboat can transport people directly to Quadratum, and Luxu simply sent her there with it. Second, she could have been sent into the future just like the others, landed in some world (which must have been KG for this theory to work), and then there wasn't anyone there to summon her body back. I would assume that after some time in limbo, she became dead again.
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Ok. So you’re saying that based on what we know, we can infer that death in KG leads to Quadratum as an afterlife? I watched the ending of UX again and I didn’t read any mention of linking the KG to Quadratum.
Ok. So you’re saying that based on what we know, we can infer that death in KG leads to Quadratum as an afterlife?
Yes, it is an educated guess, the simplest solution I can think of that explains all the facts we know. I will believe it until proven wrong or someone comes up with a better (simpler) one.
Yes, it is an educated guess, the simplest solution I can think of that explains all the facts we know. I will believe it until proven wrong or someone comes up with a better (simpler) one.
Per KH lore, kingdom hearts is the afterlife. It's where all hearts return.
Quadratum is an "afterlife" for Sora and Strellitzia, but they have been cursed in a way.
You know who we haven't seen in awhile? The Foretellers or as I call them the Zoo-Keys. I almost forgot about them. If Sora's half in KH4 takes place in Quadratum I wonder what the Foretellers are gonna be doing since they aren't there.
You know who we haven't seen in awhile? The Foretellers or as I call them the Zoo-Keys. I almost forgot about them. If Sora's half in KH4 takes place in Quadratum I wonder what the Foretellers are gonna be doing since they aren't there.
that's what making me confused.
how they gonna deal with foretellers, luxu and master of masters when they're not in the same place?
luxu is supposed to be with the foretellers, so the person with master of masters inside the trailer has to be luxord or even someone new that the master brainwashed. (yozora?)
Who says the foretellers aren't still in Quadratum? Luxu summoned them back to Keyblade Graveyard, but we don't know when that happened. It may still be in the future in KH4.
that's what making me confused.
how they gonna deal with foretellers, luxu and master of masters when they're not in the same place?
luxu is supposed to be with the foretellers, so the person with master of masters inside the trailer has to be luxord or even someone new that the master brainwashed. (yozora?)
Also don't forget Ava isn't with the other Zoo-Keys, she's Missing all on her own. There is a lot that has to be covered and KH4 probably will not cover all of it. It could be Demyx with Master of Masters? He's still been missing since the end of KH3. So maybe.
Also don't forget Ava isn't with the other Zoo-Keys, she's Missing all on her own. There is a lot that has to be covered and KH4 probably will not cover all of it. It could be Demyx with Master of Masters? He's still been missing since the end of KH3. So maybe.
but how will demyx reach quadratum ? last time we saw him (remind) he was the delivery boy for ienzo, he should be around radiant garden if anything. but who knows, he's still theorized being MoM itself.
but how will demyx reach quadratum ? last time we saw him (remind) he was the delivery boy for ienzo, he should be around radiant garden if anything. but who knows, he's still theorized being MoM itself.
Why do all these characters need to reach Quadratum?
We might see Luxord there, maybe Demyx too?
I'm pretty sure we are gonna go back to "reality" as that is where Sora, Strellitzia, MoM belong.
but how will demyx reach quadratum ? last time we saw him (remind) he was the delivery boy for ienzo, he should be around radiant garden if anything. but who knows, he's still theorized being MoM itself.
Well it's been a year since Re:MIND. He could have left Radiant Garden in that time and ended up in Quadratum like Luxord.
but how will demyx reach quadratum ? last time we saw him (remind) he was the delivery boy for ienzo, he should be around radiant garden if anything. but who knows, he's still theorized being MoM itself.
I guess we'll have to see. If Luxord made it there maybe Demyx has a way there too. I can't wait to see Demyx and Luxord again! Especially Luxord :D
Well it's been a year since Re:MIND. He could have left Radiant Garden in that time and ended up in Quadratum like Luxord.
luxord "died" in the keyblade war, demyx didn't. dying seems to the requirement to reach quadratum.
but otherwise, fair point.
luxord "died" in the keyblade war, demyx didn't. dying seems to the requirement to reach quadratum.
but otherwise, fair point.
His nobody died. Aslong as his heartless was also destroyed, then his somebody also reformed. Where he reformed is the question.
His nobody died. Aslong as his heartless was also destroyed, then his somebody also reformed. Where he reformed is the question.
maybe they return to their original location? axel woke up in radiant garden in DDD and we know he was there originally from BBS.
That's what's supposed to happen? or it might be where they became heartless. not sure.
that's what making me confused.
how they gonna deal with foretellers, luxu and master of masters when they're not in the same place?
Kairi-centric game. She and Aqua deal with Luxu and the foretellers while Riku and Sora deal with the Master of Masters.
Kairi-centric game. She and Aqua deal with Luxu and the foretellers while Riku and Sora deal with the Master of Masters.
Realistically there shouldn't be anyway Kairi can deal with the Foretellers due to how far behind she is to everyone else right now. But since this is a video game franchise if she's playable then winning is a option regardless. This is why I wish they didn't put so much attention on her "training"
The Foretellers or as I call them the Zoo-Keys.
And there's been no good or clever reason to call them that when "Furtellers" has been staring you in the face for a decade.
And there's been no good or clever reason to call them that when "Furtellers" has been staring you in the face for a decade.
Pure perfection!
Pure perfection!
Take it. Please.
Pure perfection!
Purrfection
They don't need to "deal with" the Foretellers in this game at all. This is the Lost Master Arc. There are many moving pieces, and the conflict isn't even "beating bad guys" right now (the cast doesn't even know any of these characters exist, and they haven't done anything to antagonize the cast yet). Everything is mysterious still.
They don't need to "deal with" the Foretellers in this game at all. This is the Lost Master Arc. There are many moving pieces, and the conflict isn't even "beating bad guys" right now (the cast doesn't even know any of these characters exist, and they haven't done anything to antagonize the cast yet). Everything is mysterious still.
Do you think this saga will also expand to around 3 numbered titles?
KH6 showdown against the MoM?
I don't think numbered titles demarcate anything in terms of plot content so who knows, although I guess they would be demarcating something if there ended up being parallels between the arcs' structures.
Just give me face reveals. You get a face reveal and you get a face reveal AND YOU GET A FACE REVEAL. I wanna slap those damn masks off their faces.
I don't think numbered titles demarcate anything in terms of plot content so who knows, although I guess they would be demarcating something if there ended up being parallels between the arcs' structures.
It just takes me back to how in every numbered title we defeated a version of Xehanort.
First his heartless
His nobody in 2
and his completed self in 3.
I wonder if we will face the MoM in this way.
That's if the MoM is the main baddy. In a way he wants to be defeated because he wants the darkness he is harboring (along with the Furtellers) to be permanently destroyed.
Knowing Sora he is going to want to save them.
By "deal with" I just meant Kairi meets them, one after the other, over the course of her training, so that by the end of the story the main cast is aware of the foretellers' existence.
EDIT: The final boss of that story would be whatever character prevents SRK or SoKai from being reunited, and the Foretellers would only be defeatable antagonists in one of the next games. They (SRK, Yen Sid and co) would maybe learn that Xigbar was one of the lost masters in this scenario, but not necessarily, and they'd still need to track them all down and figure out the Master of Masters' plan, which would be the main goal of a future game.
Just give me face reveals. You get a face reveal and you get a face reveal AND YOU GET A FACE REVEAL. I wanna slap those damn masks off their faces.
The Foretellers have their faces revealed in Quadratum as the Board of Directors for Play Plus.
Was it already mentioned that the EX gauge returned once again during combat?
I wonder if it’s a placeholder for the Focus gauge or if they really want to implement a new mechanic called EX
Was it already mentioned that the EX gauge returned once again during combat?
I wonder if it’s a placeholder for the Focus gauge or if they really want to implement a new mechanic called EX
It's prolly a placeholder.
I'm just noticing how it's returned to looking like a Drive gauge
It's prolly a placeholder.
I'm just noticing how it's returned to looking like a Drive gauge
maybe that's what the Build thing is
Speed Build, Strength Build, Magic Build
Just give me face reveals. You get a face reveal and you get a face reveal AND YOU GET A FACE REVEAL. I wanna slap those damn masks off their faces.
Exactly, my friend.
maybe that's what the Build thing is
Speed Build, Strength Build, Magic Build
Nah, apparently Build is like constructs or smth
Honestly, I can see why I'm the only one who would want this, and I get it, nobody wants to buy a new console. But I genuinely hope that KH4 will be exclusive to the new gen, to actually use that new and awesome technology. PS5-exclusives like RC Rift Apart show us what amazing things can be done when concentrating on this new-gen, things that would not be able to be done with PS4 and XB One. So yeah
Honestly, I can see why I'm the only one who would want this, and I get it, nobody wants to buy a new console. But I genuinely hope that KH4 will be exclusive to the new gen, to actually use that new and awesome technology. PS5-exclusives like RC Rift Apart show us what amazing things can be done when concentrating on this new-gen, things that would not be able to be done with PS4 and XB One. So yeah
Glad to have you back, Muke.
I could see a gameplay segment that involves Sora switching between "reality" and "unreality" for this game, something that wouldn't be feasible if it was a last-gen title.
Glad to have you back, Muke.
I could see a gameplay segment that involves Sora switching between "reality" and "unreality" for this game, something that wouldn't be feasible if it was a last-gen title.
You mean like Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart?
Glad to have you back, Muke.
I could see a gameplay segment that involves Sora switching between "reality" and "unreality" for this game, something that wouldn't be feasible if it was a last-gen title.
Oh no... like at the end of Melody of Memory?
The Ratchet and Clank mechanic is something I want for KH, but more of what happened in MoM is not what I want for Kairi... or any other heart that's connected to Sora for that matter.
It's not about not wanting to buy a new console. I personally have no problem with supporting new gen consoles. But I don't want to be locked out of Kingdom Hearts 4 because of a PS5 shortage, that is out of my control, and I wasn't lucky enough to get one of the few they make because demand is so high, and only few customers will get it. This is a issue Sony should fix before making big PS5 exclusive titles.
You mean like Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart?
Exactly.
It's not about buying a new console. I personally have no problem with supporting new gen consoles. But I don't want to be locked out of Kingdom Hearts 4 because of a PS5 shortage, that is out of my control, and I wasn't lucky enough to get one of the few they make because demand is so high, and only few customers will get it. This is a issue Sony should fix before making big PS5 exclusive titles.
Hopefully, Sony should have sorted out their PS5 stock come 2024.
Exactly.
Hopefully, Sony should have sorted out their PS5 stock come 2024.
Let's all hope so.
Honestly, I can see why I'm the only one who would want this, and I get it, nobody wants to buy a new console. But I genuinely hope that KH4 will be exclusive to the new gen, to actually use that new and awesome technology. PS5-exclusives like RC Rift Apart show us what amazing things can be done when concentrating on this new-gen, things that would not be able to be done with PS4 and XB One. So yeah
You're not the only one. I want that to, and other franchises to do so, but it makes it hard saying that and making a case for it when people are still struggling to get the console :(
I'm 100% ready for games to be current gen exclusive. The cross-gen games are still hampered by pop-in and whatnot when that should effectively not be a thing anymore.
The only things I imagine will happen for the next gen versions is Ray Tracing, better load times and maybe a PS5 themed keyblade
but I'm expecting it to be PS5 exclusive
but it makes it hard saying that and making a case for it when people are still struggling to get the console :(
I get that, but I hope that until the game releases, which is going to be at least over a year on from now, and at worst 2-3 years, that there will be PS5s and XBoxes (genuinely don't know the name) to buy for everyone. We'll see~
they should take full advantage of the SSD, dualsense and everything else ps5 offers.
adaptive triggers could work really well for keyblade transformation like double arrowguns/magic launcher for example.
Lmao a zipper building
Lmao a zipper building
no belts?
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This image set should be a ban-able offence, the amount of psych damage you just dealt to me ????????
I hope we get to use that grappling hook (or whatever you want to call it) for a fishing mini game.
I'm just now realizing that Auron is the perfect fit for the person that Donald and Goofy are looking for, and not Hades:
• Auron has been dead before
• Auron knows of being dead and traveling from one world (Zanarkland) to another
Other than that, it'd be the perfect utilization of FINAL FANTASY property inside kINGDOM HEARTS, seeing as how the lack of presence in vanilla KHIII was mentioned.
And the devs are taking into consideration feedback from the fandom, what with Reaction Commands making a comeback precisely because of that.
By the way, according to KINGDOM HEARTS Twitter, Sigurd, or however his name is spelled, si the narrator for both trailers.
By the way, according to KINGDOM HEARTS Twitter, Sigurd, or however his name is spelled, si the narrator for both trailers.
We've been discussing it in this thread.
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ivaannom deciphered it very early lol
Whether it's Auron or not, I'm certain that Donald and Goofy are not looking for Hades. Otherwise why would they be so surprised to actually find him!
Whether it's Auron or not, I'm certain that Donald and Goofy are not looking for Hades. Otherwise why would they be so surprised to actually find him!
Because he's behind him and he's scary, and they don't usually fight him without Sora?
Donald was scared already and Goofy was trying to be level headed. Hades appeared behind them in a menacing way. Donald realised he was there and both he and Goofy straightened up in order to not disrespect him. Hades got angry and the duck and the dog screamed.
It doesn’t rule in or out them looking for Hades, just that they’re scared to be down there and Hades got the upper hand.
I’d love Auron and I also believe that D&G can look for him, but ultimately what use is he? Hades is the one who pulled him out. If Hades can take, then Hades can return.
Someone else said, I forget if here or elsewhere and I apologise for not remembering, Hades would be thrilled to learn Sora isn’t around and would be more than cooperative to kick Donald and Goofy to the afterlife to get rid of them too aha.
If Donald and Goofy reunite with Sora because of a petty grudge from Hades it would not only be totally in character for Hades but it would be the dumbest and therefore greatest reason for those 3 knuckleheads to be together again.
They originally looking for auron, hades find them first and kick them to the afterlife.
the question is, will they wake up in quadratum? disney not gonna like nomura turning them into realistic dog and a duck.
They originally looking for auron, hades find them first and kick them to the afterlife.
the question is, will they wake up in quadratum? disney not gonna like nomura turning them into realistic dog and a duck.
Every time I think about that scenario, I reach the same conclusion - people would be piiiiiissed at looking for a Final Fantasy character and not meeting them, and instead see Disney again.
Every time I think about that scenario, I reach the same conclusion - people would be piiiiiissed at looking for a Final Fantasy character and not meeting them, and instead see Disney again.
i mean, auron could show up trying to protect them, but ends getting kicked into quadratum as well or elsewhere.
There is another reason to think about Auron - Auron was not a "Kingdom Hearts version" of his character but seemed to actually be the one from FFX - or at least, the plot of that game is alluded to despite clearly not being about Tidus and Yuna's KH versions. This is relevant since Quadratum (Square), Versus XIII, Nomura personal stuff, etc. but no idea how that would actually end up fitting in.
Frankly I don't buy that it's Hades they're looking for simply cuz of this
Why would Donald wonder where Hades is
when he and Goofy are in the one place he's most likely to be
and they have been there before so they should know EXACTLY where he is.
And once again, why would they hope that the guy who clearly WON'T help WILL help?
Still kinda processing the fact that this game got announced much less processing that it's coming out. I guess that's what i get for not finishing remind. XD
Yes, it is an educated guess, the simplest solution I can think of that explains all the facts we know. I will believe it until proven wrong or someone comes up with a better (simpler) one.
...but it looks like I need to make a little correction to it right away, because there is one thing that doesn't add up. The trailer takes place a year after Sora's disappearance, but Strelitzia says that Sora has been in that world for only a week. So, he must have been somewhere else for almost a year (something like 358 and a half days... :unsure:). It seems that the world connected to KG isn't Quadratum itself, but most likely Verum Rex, which is a fictional franchise within the Quadratum universe.
Also, could someone explain why people are expecting Auron to be in Underwolrd? He got out of there in KH2, and now hates Hades, so surely he would do everything he can to avoid ending up serving him again?
I'm just now realizing that Auron is the perfect fit for the person that Donald and Goofy are looking for, and not Hades:
• Auron has been dead before
• Auron knows of being dead and traveling from one world (Zanarkland) to another
Other than that, it'd be the perfect utilization of FINAL FANTASY property inside kINGDOM HEARTS, seeing as how the lack of presence in vanilla KHIII was mentioned.
And the devs are taking into consideration feedback from the fandom, what with Reaction Commands making a comeback precisely because of that.
I could see Auron being part of a new Final Fantasy trio for Kingdom Hearts IV.
Laguna from Final Fantasy VIII was supposed to be in Birth by Sleep but he was replaced with Zack due to the former's inclusion in Dissidia 012. Zack, Laguna and Auron as the Olympus Final Fantasy trio would be so cool!
Realistically there shouldn't be anyway Kairi can deal with the Foretellers due to how far behind she is to everyone else right now. But since this is a video game franchise if she's playable then winning is a option regardless. This is why I wish they didn't put so much attention on her "training"
Well if she has her own game, getting herself strong enough would be part of the journey.
The damned thing about Kairi is that theorically she should be the strongest one of them all. She's the only one who is both a keyblade wielder and a PoH at the same time, a power combo unmatched. Of course the series has yet to acknowledge this. Oh, it has acknowledged her being a wielder and being a POH, but not being BOTH. Doing would just call further attention to how absurdly she's been written.
Even a single scene spent suggesting that "power levels" might exist is a scene wasted. Kairi and any other character who might be interesting to play as should go out in the field as main protagonist, immediately.
Why does it feel like people who don't want Marvel and SW in KH never really have an actual good reason for why?
From what I've seen, anyway.
Why does it feel like people who don't want Marvel and SW in KH never really have an actual good reason for why?
From what I've seen, anyway.
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Why does it feel like people who don't want Marvel and SW in KH never really have an actual good reason for why?
From what I've seen, anyway.
See, I would understand this perspective if it was the Xehanort saga because the origins of that saga started back when Disney was entirely in-house.
But now that we're in a new saga, it's time to change things up. If Star Wars and Marvel can be integrated then Square Enix should give it a shot now.
Truthfully I don't want them because Disney doesn't seem to know what to do with those franchises. They got lucky with Marvel having someone who knew, liked and had the ability to uplift even the most unpopular characters like Iron Man and the Avengers who it may be hard to believe now, but only 2 decades ago most people avoided their books until the later 2000s.
For me I'm just very repulsed by the whole "marvel movie scene" and how Disney handles these movie franchises, from creation to marketing to distribution. I'm sure I don't need to list all the reasons why, people should know by now. Putting Star Wars and Marvel in KH? Sounds awesome. Putting Star Wars VII-IX or MCU in KH? That's much more culturally loaded to me and falls into the "advertising new thing > thematically appropriate choice" hole.
Why does it feel like people who don't want Marvel and SW in KH never really have an actual good reason for why?
From what I've seen, anyway.
My reason (for the MCU anyway) is that it's such a huge franchise with so many different connected parts. It also opens up the door for DISNEY to use whichever newest KH game as an advertising tool for an upcoming film. I would rather world selection be focused on the main plot of the KH game and how the world fits in that game's story.
Even at a huge stretch, all the worlds selected in KH3 worked at some level as part of the main plot. Toy Box and San Fransokyo were used as research for replicas/bringing Xion back (also Toy Box was Verum Rex), Corona and Arendelle introduced new PoH and showed Sora actual death/sacrifice, Monstropolis showed the emotions (screams) being used to bring back Vanitas, Olympus was Sora trying to regain his strength, and The Caribbean focused on death again (and the black box).
I would welcome an animated/comic version of MARVEL in KH. Just as long as it was one character/group for example Spider-Man or X-Men. Honestly, visually it would be way more fun to visit a comic book style MARVEL world than a live action one.
Speaking of visually, I also don't think the MARVEL worlds would really be interesting to visit - since it's always a city. KH succeeds because it's exploring film locations - it's like being in a film. None of the MCU films have locations that would really make me wish I could explore in a KH game. But then that opens up the issue of KH using FILMS and not comics. I think films work best for KH because they are contained stories.
Honestly, the best MCU film that I think can fit into KH is the Sakaar segment of Thor: RAGNAROK. Sora can crash land on the planet, they meet Thor then get captured. You get a Hulk boss fight. Then the plot continues until the revolution happens. A giant heartless appears. Sora, Hulk and Thor kill it. Then Thor escapes to go back to Asgard while Sora goes his own way.
Also people keep forgetting that Big Hero 6 is a Marvel property. A heavily Disney-fied Marvel property now, but a Marvel property nonetheless.
Also people keep forgetting that Big Hero 6 is a Marvel property. A heavily Disney-fied Marvel property now, but a Marvel property nonetheless.
Yeah, but the Big Hero 6 animated feature film doesn't have the Marvel copyright, it's legally owned by Walt Disney Animation Studios.
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Missing Link may be a mobile game, but at least it's 3D. Fucking finally. Hope it ends up on consoles like Genshin did, I guess.
And Sora has completed his transition from Disney Boi to FF lad. Lookin' sharp.
Why does the new Darkside look like CHAOS
I hope Aladdin shows up in kh4
I hope Aladdin shows up in kh4
We're going to need a replacement voice actor for Iago.
We're going to need a replacement voice actor for Iago.
but can they get cause no one can't do it like Gilbert
They probably going to make him mute just like they did to Phil in KH3. It would be far more polarising here though considering the fact that Iago is a very loud, chatterbox type of character.
I prefer they don't do that, and find someone worthy of being a successor to the great Gilbert Gottfried. A silent Iago just..seems very wrong.
They probably going to make him mute just like they did to Phil in KH3. It would be far more polarising here though considering the fact that Iago is a very loud, chatterbox type of character.
I prefer they don't do that, and find someone worthy of being a successor to the great Gilbert Gottfried. A silent Iago just..seems very wrong.
Isn't that something they do for Japanese VA's that pass away? I don't know if they would do that
They probably going to make him mute just like they did to Phil in KH3. It would be far more polarising here though considering the fact that Iago is a very loud, chatterbox type of character.
I prefer they don't do that, and find someone worthy of being a successor to the great Gilbert Gottfried. A silent Iago just..seems very wrong.
that's going to be a hard cause Gilbert was the original voice
you can't find anyone better than him
Did anyone else ever voice Iago in media or was it always Gilbert?
Did anyone else ever voice Iago in media or was it always Gilbert?
I think that Gilbert that just voiced igago
Keeping a character voiceless is very much a Japanese thing. Plenty of actors on the American side of Disney have passed away over the years, and they were quicky replaced by Disney Character Voices (Mickey seems the most obvious example) It's awful what happened to Gilbert, but it won't stop him from being replaced by a soundalike someday.
James Woods was unavailable for one episode of house and Rob Paulsen voiced Hades for that episode. So the only time Gilbert wouldn't have voiced Iago was if he were unavailable. Alan Tudyk voiced Iago in the live action film.
James Woods was unavailable for one episode of house and Rob Paulsen voiced Hades for that episode. So the only time Gilbert wouldn't have voiced Iago was if he were unavailable. Alan Tudyk voiced Iago in the live action film.
can they get him for kh4
can they get him for kh4
Why would they hire Alan to do Iago when that version of Iago sounded NOTHING like Gilbert?
Why would they hire Alan to do Iago when that version of Iago sounded NOTHING like Gilbert?
idk my bad
Why would Iago even be in KH4
Because I want to explore the giant turtle castle from Aladdin 3.
Why would Iago even be in KH4
If Agrabah is in KH4, Iago would be in
Why would Agrabah even be in KH4
Why would Agrabah even be in KH4
why can't it be?
If they're going the "remakes in the alternate universe" route there would be an Agrabah.
Why would Agrabah even be in KH4
Animated films can be in KH4.
If Agrabah does (I hope) returns, please God let it be the animated version again. Keep the remake version far away from this franchise.
I didn't say agrabah can't be in KH4 (why would you think I said that?). It just seems random to speculate over whether they will replace the VA for a minor character who has been voiced twice in the whole series.
If they didn't even have room for Radiant Garden in KH3, I really doubt that we can expect any of the previous Disney worlds to appear again unless they're specifically for a new movie.
I didn't say agrabah can't be in KH4 (why would you think I said that?). It just seems random to speculate over whether they will replace the VA for a minor character who has been voiced twice in the whole series.
I half-agree with you. The vibe I'm getting for KH4 isn't that it's for revisiting old friends.
If they didn't even have room for Radiant Garden in KH3, I really doubt that we can expect any of the previous Disney worlds to appear again unless they're specifically for a new movie.
But on the other hand, Hades is definitely in the trailer.
Olympus is kind of a special case because it has a running story that has continued over every full-size game other than DDD. Agrabah is more like one of many random worlds that hasn't really appeared in a while other than the empty version in the non-voiced Dark Road. There's no reason Iago couldn't appear again, but conversely it would also be trivially easy to just never visit Agrabah again.
If they're going the "remakes in the alternate universe" route there would be an Agrabah.
they might do a remake you never can tell what square might do ya know?
Kingdom Hearts IV looks great, lets see much time Sora spends in Quadratum. Not sure about the Missing Link mobile game, I'd rather have a KHUX remake in that engine.
what will KH4 will look like?
It would sort of be funny to me if they made a remake of KH1 using the remake versions of all those worlds. The only worlds in that game that don't have a remake on the way or already made are Tarzan (which can't be used anyway) and The Nightmare Before Christmas. I wouldn't want that, but now I have the idea of a KH1 Remake that uses all remake films in my head it's making me laugh. And that includes the remake versions of the world-less PoHs (Belle, Aurora, Snow White), Beast, Maleficent, the Lady and the Tramp statue in the Third District, the dalmatians, Helena Bonham Carter as the Fairy Godmother in Merlin's house, the Dumbo and Simba summons.
The only characters up in the air would be Merlin and Bambi (and Mushu...because the remake cut him *eyeroll*). And even that is questionable... I believe a new film with the Camelot stories is happening at Disney although calling it a "remake" may be iffy? But I do think they'll make a remake of Bambi eventually.
It would sort of be funny to me if they made a remake of KH1 using the remake versions of all those worlds. The only worlds in that game that don't have a remake on the way or already made are Tarzan (which can't be used anyway) and The Nightmare Before Christmas. I wouldn't want that, but now I have the idea of a KH1 Remake that uses all remake films in my head it's making me laugh. And that includes the remake versions of the world-less PoHs (Belle, Aurora, Snow White), Beast, Maleficent, the Lady and the Tramp statue in the Third District, the dalmatians, Helena Bonham Carter as the Fairy Godmother in Merlin's house, the Dumbo and Simba summons.
The only characters up in the air would be Merlin and Bambi (and Mushu...because the remake cut him *eyeroll*). And even that is questionable... I believe a new film with the Camelot stories is happening at Disney although calling it a "remake" may be iffy? But I do think they'll make a remake of Bambi eventually.
you never know with Disney
they might get around to redoing Bambi
Why would Agrabah even be in KH4
why not huh
It would sort of be funny to me if they made a remake of KH1 using the remake versions of all those worlds. The only worlds in that game that don't have a remake on the way or already made are Tarzan (which can't be used anyway) and The Nightmare Before Christmas. I wouldn't want that, but now I have the idea of a KH1 Remake that uses all remake films in my head it's making me laugh. And that includes the remake versions of the world-less PoHs (Belle, Aurora, Snow White), Beast, Maleficent, the Lady and the Tramp statue in the Third District, the dalmatians, Helena Bonham Carter as the Fairy Godmother in Merlin's house, the Dumbo and Simba summons.
The only characters up in the air would be Merlin and Bambi (and Mushu...because the remake cut him *eyeroll*). And even that is questionable... I believe a new film with the Camelot stories is happening at Disney although calling it a "remake" may be iffy? But I do think they'll make a remake of Bambi eventually.
Live action remakes do NOT belong in Kingdom Hearts. Especially if you’re gonna retcon the animated versions out. That’s just deplorable
Live action remakes do NOT belong in Kingdom Hearts. |
That post was not advocating for the remakes being in KH, but since you bring it up... They would have more right to be in KH than Star Wars or PIXAR do, that's for sure.
That post was not advocating for the remakes being in KH, but since you bring it up... They would have more right to be in KH than Star Wars or PIXAR do, that's for sure.
Star Wars you have a point but at least Pixar is animated and therefore blends better with the rest of the Disney worlds
Edit: I know Pirates was an exception to this rule. But that was live action from the get go and not a remake banking on the nostalgia of the original
Live action remakes do NOT belong in Kingdom Hearts. Especially if you’re gonna retcon the animated versions out. That’s just deplorable
really
To be honest, I'd rather not have the live-action remakes appearing in Kingdom Hearts, especially if it means the possibility of Mulan (2022) making an appearance.
Disney is Disney, and using the Remakes in Quadratum is the only time it would make sense since it's the same characters and in most cases same story as worlds that already exist in the main reality.
At the very least I'm expecting Alice because there was a phase where Nomura mentioned that movie in like three interviews in a row.
you never know with Disney
they might get around to redoing Bambi
you never know with Disney
they might get around to redoing Bambi
"‘Bambi’ Remake in the Works (Exclusive) – The Hollywood Reporter" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/bambi-remake-works-1272457/amp/
i personally like sora's new design.
mainly because its a change and some things look interesting when they're changed.
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also...
i hope we get *more* 2016-2018 era kingdom hearts worlds
i think we know where exactly i'm going with this.
KH should be moving towards a nice balance of traditionally animated and CGI films.
To be brutally honest (and this probably why KH1 worked so well), a lot of the traditionally animated films' worlds and stories just worked better in KH. For example: Agrabah is a way more interesting world than Arendelle - and I'm talking about just what the films showed of those worlds. This is probably because traditional animation took advantage of the vibrant colours and the fact that it was animation, so there was no need to really stick to reality - while CGI tends to lean more towards maintaining realism.
I'm not against the CGI films or PIXAR being in KH, but I do feel like it is a HUGE missed opportunity to revisit worlds like Agrabah, Atlantica or The Pride Lands using the current technology.
Basically I want a nice mix of the old and new. Instead of moving away from older films, they should embrace them. I'm just worried that KH becomes the marketing machine for newer films to stay relevant and sell merchandise.
I'm just worried that KH becomes the marketing machine for newer films to stay relevant and sell merchandise.
Always was.
KH should be moving towards a nice balance of traditionally animated and CGI films.
To be brutally honest (and this probably why KH1 worked so well), a lot of the traditionally animated films' worlds and stories just worked better in KH. For example: Agrabah is a way more interesting world than Arendelle - and I'm talking about just what the films showed of those worlds. This is probably because traditional animation took advantage of the vibrant colours and the fact that it was animation, so there was no need to really stick to reality - while CGI tends to lean more towards maintaining realism.
I'm not against the CGI films or PIXAR being in KH, but I do feel like it is a HUGE missed opportunity to revisit worlds like Agrabah, Atlantica or The Pride Lands using the current technology.
Basically I want a nice mix of the old and new. Instead of moving away from older films, they should embrace them. I'm just worried that KH becomes the marketing machine for newer films to stay relevant and sell merchandise.
That's probably what they are going to do. Focus more on the newer Disney/Pixar properties for that commercial reason. Plus it will help sell more to new fans who are more into the modern day Disney brand. Think of all the fans who bought KH3 because they saw Frozen, Tangled, Toy Story, Pirates, or Monsters Inc in the trailers. All well known Disney/Pixar IPs. Only one old world from the 90's was in KH3. Unless you count the 100 Acre Woods minigame a world.
It might not be what everyone wants. Trust me, I would love a Robin Hood and Great Mouse Detective world in a KH game, but from a marketing standpoint it makes sense to mainly shove the new Disney material into KH. I do hope they can find a balance.
I mean, KH has always focused on more recent stuff or iconic stuff. Older works that aren't super popular like Bambi or 101 Dalmatians got references and characters, but worlds? I think the only super niche worlds in KH are Tron in KH2 and Three Musketeers in DDD.
Realistically KH is going to continue focusing on attracting a modern audience with modern Disney/Pixar IPs. If anything we might be lucky to have one 2D based world at all.
KH should be moving towards a nice balance of traditionally animated and CGI films.
To be brutally honest (and this probably why KH1 worked so well), a lot of the traditionally animated films' worlds and stories just worked better in KH. For example: Agrabah is a way more interesting world than Arendelle - and I'm talking about just what the films showed of those worlds. This is probably because traditional animation took advantage of the vibrant colours and the fact that it was animation, so there was no need to really stick to reality - while CGI tends to lean more towards maintaining realism.
I'm not against the CGI films or PIXAR being in KH, but I do feel like it is a HUGE missed opportunity to revisit worlds like Agrabah, Atlantica or The Pride Lands using the current technology.
Basically I want a nice mix of the old and new. Instead of moving away from older films, they should embrace them. I'm just worried that KH becomes the marketing machine for newer films to stay relevant and sell merchandise.
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That's probably what they are going to do. Focus more on the newer Disney/Pixar properties for that commercial reason. Plus it will help sell more to new fans who are more into the modern day Disney brand. Think of all the fans who bought KH3 because they saw Frozen, Tangled, Toy Story, Pirates, or Monsters Inc in the trailers. All well known Disney/Pixar IPs. Only one old world from the 90's was in KH3. Unless you count the 100 Acre Woods minigame a world.
It might not be what everyone wants. Trust me, I would love a Robin Hood and Great Mouse Detective world in a KH game, but from a marketing standpoint it makes sense to mainly shove the new Disney material into KH. I do hope they can find a balance.
I mean, KH has always focused on more recent stuff or iconic stuff. Older works that aren't super popular like Bambi or 101 Dalmatians got references and characters, but worlds? I think the only super niche worlds in KH are Tron in KH2 and Three Musketeers in DDD.
Realistically KH is going to continue focusing on attracting a modern audience with modern Disney/Pixar IPs. If anything we might be lucky to have one 2D based world at all.
I loved seeing the modern films in KH3, but I was also very excited to see what could have been done with classic films like Aladdin or The Little Mermaid.
The reason why I think KH1 had the best world selection wasn't because the films were the most iconic, but because each world was unique (Coliseum, Jungle, Desert, Underwater, Graveyard, Pirate Ship), the design of each world was different and each world complimented the main story. KH2 came around and basically made every world a box with DISNEY worlds painted over it and the main plot wasn't really connected at all. KH3 finally came back to form, which is why I'm really hoping the trend continues in KH4.
Yes, I'm advocating for 2D films to be somewhat mandatory in KH games (at least do 2 per game - not counting 100 Acre Wood), but I guess I'm really just advocating for worlds that:
1. Are relevant to the main story
2. Are aesthetically pleasing (and different from the other worlds selected)
I loved seeing the modern films in KH3, but I was also very excited to see what could have been done with classic films like Aladdin or The Little Mermaid.
The reason why I think KH1 had the best world selection wasn't because the films were the most iconic, but because each world was unique (Coliseum, Jungle, Desert, Underwater, Graveyard, Pirate Ship), the design of each world was different and each world complimented the main story. KH2 came around and basically made every world a box with DISNEY worlds painted over it and the main plot wasn't really connected at all. KH3 finally came back to form, which is why I'm really hoping the trend continues in KH4.
Yes, I'm advocating for 2D films to be somewhat mandatory in KH games (at least do 2 per game - not counting 100 Acre Wood), but I guess I'm really just advocating for worlds that:
1. Are relevant to the main story
2. Are aesthetically pleasing (and different from the other worlds selected)
Havent posted here since the reveal of Kingdom Hearts 4, but after reading this post I have to give in my perspective on this topic. First of all I agree with everything [USER=38586]@Face My Fears[/USER] wrote. Im one of those KH fans who grew up around the Disney Renaissance era, and always loved & appreciated the 2D animated classics. Having them being completely fizzeled out of the Kingdom Hearts franchise would be disheartening to say the least.
If it does get to a point where they feel its unnessecary to incorporate any of the 2D classics anymore then for me personally my KH journey ends here. Im not all that familiar with all of the new Disney content so I cant relate to any of it nor comment whether any of it is any good at all, but judging from first glance at them not many of them seem like they will have nearly the cultural impact that a lot of the clasics did before them outside of the obvious Frozen monstrousity.
It really would be an injustice not to revisit worlds like Agrabah and Atlantica (these two always come to mind because of the sheer potential they possess) in the enchanced, open world way how the worlds in KH3 were displayed. If Kingdom Hearts is simply now just one giant Disney commercial for all their new material then it truly is nothing more than a shell of what it once was. (to be fair signs of that already reared its ugly head with how Arendelle was done). Also feels like us loyal fans from 2002 are being alienated in the process as well. Depending on the world reveals within the next year im currently on the fence about whether I will fork out any money for KH4 or not.
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April 10, 2022 @ 11:05 amOffline