Nomura: Kingdom Hearts 3 Will Have Another Playable Character
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- Published on July 16, 2017 @ 02:11 am
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Speaking with IGN after today's D23 conference, Series Director Tetsuya Nomura revealed that Sora won't be the only playable character in Kingdom Hearts 3. While he declined to reveal who the mysterious person will be, it isn't the first time a game in the series featured another playable character aside from Sora:
"So it would be tough to introduce many, multiple playable characters, but there is an intention of adding a playable character aside from Sora. Unfortunately we’re not able to disclose who it is yet, but there will be [another playable character]," Nomura said.
Nomura also revealed that there may be more than 5 people in Sora's party at certain points in the game. Eagle eyed viewers will note that both Buzz Lightyear and Woody joined Sora in the Toy Story World, meaning they both joined Sora, Donald, and Goofy on their quest without getting sacrificing party members:
"D-Link, that has been done away with. It was actually a compromise in a previous iteration because we were not able to display multiple characters on that platform in that game," Nomura said. "We’re able to depict multiple characters. Up to five people can join, even more, multiple characters can join your party."
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Hmm very interesting! I'm going to assume that the other character is Riku. I could see him getting the same amount of playtime that Roxas got in KH2.
Edit: Loving the fact that there are so many party members now!
Kairi side mission training for sure. If not, then it's riku. Could be aqua too, they already have her playable from 0.2. Wouldn't be surprised if you played as all seven guardians in the final world each getting their own boss.
Hmmmm interesting. My first guess is Riku - possibly to see what he's up to while he's with Mickey.
I guess it depends how long your interaction with this character will be.. Will it be the length of playing as Roxas in KH2 or longer?
BBS should have been on PS2 IMO.
It'll obviously be Pluto.
Even Nomura recognizes D-Link was a bad idea.
Oh well. Nothing we couldn't guess on our own, but it's nice to have a confirmation.
Riku or Aqua is my guess. There are quite a bit of characters to choose from however.
I would love some innovation when it comes to playable characters, but I kinda can't imagine we will play as Sora and e.g. Kairi but not Riku. Hmmm.
Be my girl Kairi, please and thank you.
One possibility could be that in Kingdom Hearts 3 there would be a multiplayer mode and so the other playable character would beOne possibility could be that in Kingdom Hearts 3 there would be a multiplayer mode and so the other playable character would be an Avatar you create. I would see it as a too far fetched idea seeing as to how more and more games are trying to use all the content they created for the game to be reused in a multiplayer mode that would extend the game beyond the story mode. Final fantasy XV are doing that.
And maybe you would also have some connection with KHUX game where you would share some costumes and other things. an Avatar you create. I wouldn't see it as a too far fetched idea seeing as to how more and more games are trying to use all the content they created for the game to be reused in a multiplayer mode that would extend the game beyond the story mode. Final fantasy XV are doing that.
And maybe you would also have some connection with KHUX game where you would share some costumes and other things.
Kairi please.
The time has come, Nomura.
It'd be amazing if we could have the whole Big Hero 6 squad on the team and not just Baymax/Hiro. Now we might even get Flynn/Rapunzel on the team. I love that this game is widening the KH standard. We've only ever known the MAIN character being in our party, but now even the side characters can possibly join.
It'll obviously be Pluto.
Objective: run away with a message in mouth and never get caught. The story WILL NEVER END. KINGDOM HEARTS...
forever.
I'd love it to be Kairi, and with the option to play as her from the start over Sora if chu want, like with bbs... but I know that's not going to happen, lol. If Kairi is playable, it will probably be a minor part. Probably Riku most likely like everyone's saying.
Riku, Kairi, or Aqua sounds the most likely if its just one. I would like some multi-player mode in this game eventually, even if its made post development like FFXV. But only if I get to play as all the Disney party members as well lol. Especially since there seem to be so many of them.
On that note, that 100% sounds like its in reference to Big Hero 6. I actually wonder if thats part of why we didn't see it. I expect Honey, Wasabi, Fred, and Gogo could all be party members on top of Baymax. And Hiro can't do crap except ride Baymax but thats okay lol.
Do we expect them to nerf the party members badly because of this? I think more enemies are present than ever as well at least. But their AI doesn't seem amazing still as far as I can tell. They rarely seem to do anything but smack Heartless by themselves. I hope this isn't the case. I understand Sora needs to be most powerful, but I like my friends to feel decently strong as well.
Any answer except Kairi is wrong. Riku? He's had 3 games already. Young Xehanort? & what's he even gonna do, fart around a castle until he grabs a key? Aqua? Been there done. Mickey? Well ok, I would love a full fledged Mickey scenario honestly. But no, Kairi is LOOOOOONG overdue here.
Tbh, I want it to be Kairi or Aqua. Honestly, I think Aqua could actually make a fantastic Party Member on Sora's team for the second half of the game (or whenever she is rescued) and have the option to be playable whilst we have a separate scenario of sorts for Kairi (but worked into the Sora campaign ala how Sora and Riku could switch off in DDD).
But that would technically be TWO additional playable characters, not one, so maybe not. But yeah, Kairi really should be the top choice. I love ma boi Riku, and I would love me some more Aqua, but holy shit does Kairi need the development.
^^ These guys know what's up :tongue:
I want Kairi playable l, do it, do it! Make her awesome or more awesome! DO IT!
With how Riku seems to be Nomura's favourite character, I can see the story of Riku and Mickey searching for Aqua in the realm of Darkness being used to play Riku.
While I would prefer to play Kairi, Mickey or someone else who has yet to be the playable character (maybe Yen Sid), Riku seems the most like bet.
This is interesting. The fact that we know there will only be one other playable character re-contextualizes the question of who it is entirely. I was kind of operating under the assumption that multiple characters (if not all the GoL) would have a playable portion: not necessarily for significant periods of time, but that the playable role would be passed around heading into and during the finale before circling back to Sora.
But it sounds like Nomura wants to focus this other playable character, so that switching from them to Sora (and/or vice versa) will be especially meaningful. I'm pretty certain it's not Riku or Aqua; both have been done before and would impress just about no one. Young Xehanort is a possibility, but an unhappy one: the only feasible way to use him would be during the prologue and then that's it for the rest of the game. Yes, KH2 did it with Roxas, but that was then. Nomura seems to think this idea is worth the trouble, so I imagine he wants to get as much mileage out of it as he can.
Which, yeah, makes me think it's Kairi. She's a great candidate for a prologue and she can be utilized down the line if Nomura wants to up the stakes and take Sora out of the picture for a while, and pretty much every lead-in to KH3 so far has centered her or those closely associated with her (Namine, Xion). There's agreement between fans and the narrative in demanding that Kairi take on a fuller role. Aaand most of all there's the credit sequence from 2.8 which could be either reassuring or concerning depending on how things pan out. At the time, I took it as a sign that Nomura was (re)positioning Kairi as a "main love interest" and connecting that to her intended role in KH3 (yuck): that could still be the case, but if instead that was simply meant as a hint that Kairi is the single playable character other than Sora in KH3 and he was trying to remind us why that makes sense, then that's pretty great! Yes, Kairi and Sora have a unique and powerful relationship, and there are plenty of scenarios where that relationship could and should come into play. If Sora's heart was going to seek out anyone to, say, take refuge in after becoming intensely damaged following an unprecedented effort to return to existence multiple people who have been lost and are in pain...I can think of two characters who would make sense, and only one of them would create an obvious poetic link to the first game as the finale inevitably attempts to hearken back to the series' origins.
I'm not gonna joke about Nomura choosing someone else, just in case it jinxes our chances of getting Kairi as a playable character.
This is a nice surprise. It's almost like another BHK moment! You guys remember that I bet? The hype for the reveal of BHK was crazy. If Nomura does it again like this it'd be throwback, although, a lot of info on KH3 has been revealed it won't be the same nostalgic feeling but it's refreshing to hear.
Terra vs Master Xehanort showdown (playing as Terra) would be hype.
This is interesting. The fact that we know there will only be one other playable character re-contextualizes the question of who it is entirely. I was kind of operating under the assumption that multiple characters (if not all the GoL) would have a playable portion: not necessarily for significant periods of time, but that the playable role would be passed around heading into and during the finale before circling back to Sora.
But it sounds like Nomura wants to focus this other playable character, so that switching from them to Sora (and/or vice versa) will be especially meaningful. I'm pretty certain it's not Riku or Aqua; both have been done before and would impress just about no one. Young Xehanort is a possibility, but an unhappy one: the only feasible way to use him would be during the prologue and then that's it for the rest of the game. Yes, KH2 did it with Roxas, but that was then. Nomura seems to think this idea is worth the trouble, so I imagine he wants to get as much mileage out of it as he can.
Which, yeah, makes me think it's Kairi. She's a great candidate for a prologue and she can be utilized down the line if Nomura wants to up the stakes and take Sora out of the picture for a while, and pretty much every lead-in to KH3 so far has centered her or those closely associated with her (Namine, Xion). There's agreement between fans and the narrative in demanding that Kairi take on a fuller role. Aaand most of all there's the credit sequence from 2.8 which could be either reassuring or concerning depending on how things pan out. At the time, I took it as a sign that Nomura was (re)positioning Kairi as a "main love interest" and connecting that to her intended role in KH3 (yuck): that could still be the case, but if instead that was simply meant as a hint that Kairi is the single playable character other than Sora in KH3 and he was trying to remind us why that makes sense, then that's pretty great! Yes, Kairi and Sora have a unique and powerful relationship, and there are plenty of scenarios where that relationship could and should come into play. If Sora's heart was going to seek out anyone to, say, take refuge in after becoming intensely damaged following an unprecedented effort to return to existence multiple people who have been lost and are in pain...I can think of two characters who would make sense, and only one of them would create an obvious poetic link to the first game as the finale inevitably attempts to hearken back to the series' origins.
Hopefully Kairi gets a reverse/rebirth treatment in KH3.
Watch it being Braig, just because.
Imao it's going to be possessed Eraqus.
what if nomura is crating a reverse situation with kairi and sora from kh1 where kairi took refgue in sora heart this sora take refuge in kairi heart some point in the game and evething come full circle in the first game
what if nomura is crating a reverse situation with kairi and sora from kh1 where kairi took refgue in sora heart this sora take refuge in kairi heart some point in the game and evething come full circle in the first game
You know what? Considering Xeahnort is apparently still trying to recruit Sora, something along these lines might not be completely out of the blue.
As long as it's not Riku…
Am I the only one who doesn't like the fact that it might be only ONE playable character besides sora ? I know most of you want Kairi, but I don't want to watch a cutscene with Riku and Mickey rescuing aqua, I want to PLAY it... i reaaaally don't like this idea @_@ (i know why it might be only one character, but still..)
Or maybe it's just a free-to-choose character like it was in KH3D and we get to play more than one, just not whenever we want to.. ah well, time will tell~
Let me just put another character in this pool of "not gonna happen anyway": VANITAS. Totally not gonna happen, but let me dreaaaam-
Am I the only one who doesn't like the fact that it might be only ONE playable character besides sora ? I know most of you want Kairi, but I don't want to watch a cutscene with Riku and Mickey rescuing aqua, I want to PLAY it... i reaaaally don't like this idea @_@ (i know why it might be only one character, but still..)
Or maybe it's just a free-to-choose character like it was in KH3D and we get to play more than one, just not whenever we want to.. ah well, time will tell~
Let me just put another character in this pool of "not gonna happen anyway": VANITAS. Totally not gonna happen, but let me dreaaaam-
It's Darth Vader. My dad works for Square Enix. No wait, Unversed Sora.
I'd be very happy to be able to play as Kairi or Young Xehanort, either would be quite a good surprise. Though, if we got to play as any of the previous playable Keyblade wielders I'd still be pretty pleased.
Maybe we play as Vanitas for the majority of the game and just masquerade as Sora, that I'd like to see.
No yeah, it really should've been more than two characters. KH III is this huge tie-in where every story get together, playing with only Sora and maybe another is just bad.
It's just that it's no use crying over it now.
Maybe we play as Vanitas for the majority of the game and just masquerade as Sora, that I'd like to see.
I'b be sold for this yo.
We play as Sora, then we betray everyone in the final stretch, we pull off the mask and we were Vanitas the whole time
We play as Sora, then we betray everyone in the final stretch, we pull off the mask and we were Vanitas the whole time
Roxas will be fine. I think Riku.
Riku alone isn't enough.
I like Riku and Roxas.. But I like more Lea.
Well, in any case, I hope for other Playable CHaracters, I don't care if in the Story. But a Mode with other Playable CHaracters should be awesome.
Best scenario for me would be: Kairi catches up to Riku and Mickey and she is the playable character trying to rescue aqua in the realm of darkness. A light in the darkness.
It's gonna be Xehanort. As the final part of the Xehanort Saga, it is important to mirror the hero's journey to his nemesis and foil. We'll follow Young Xehanort as an apprentice as he learns about the Book of Prophecies and the black box.
But if it isn't Xehanort, it'll be something surprising like Mickey.
Booyakasha.
Best scenario for me would be: Kairi catches up to Riku and Mickey and she is the playable character trying to rescue aqua in the realm of darkness. A light in the darkness.
It's gonna be Xehanort. As the final part of the Xehanort Saga, it is important to mirror the hero's journey to his nemesis and foil. We'll follow Young Xehanort as an apprentice as he learns about the Book of Prophecies and the black box.
But if it isn't Xehanort, it'll be something surprising like Mickey.
Booyakasha.
It's clearly gonna be Jesus Christ, guys.
You know, no one has brought up that it COULD very well be Traverse Town Guy Who Lost His Heart as the playable character.
I'm sorry, why do some poeple want Aqua to be the playable character? We literally had a prologue with her as a playable character...
I'm contempt with either Kairi or Young Xehanort. Kairi for character development purposes, and Xehanort to add a twist to the narrative by familiarising yourself with the main antagonist.
I'm sorry, why do some poeple want Aqua to be the playable character? We literally had a prologue with her as a playable character...
I'm contempt with either Kairi or Young Xehanort. Kairi for character development purposes, and Xehanort to add a twist to the narrative by familiarising yourself with the main antagonist.
Maybe because *gasp*, people actually like playing as Aqua, she already has a full playable model at hand and people might enjoy controlling her some more after that said prologue?
Not to mention that she might have something more worthwhile to contribute to the storyline that requires playability?
If the second character has access to the same full party system as Sora though (and it isn't Xehanort, who has no friends or allies, only pawns for his eeevil plans) we might get something interesting to see, like i.e. a playable Aqua or Mickey with Riku, Mickey/Aqua (depending who's not playable) and possibly Ventus etc. as party members.
Maybe because *gasp*, people actually like playing as Aqua, she already has a full playable model at hand and people might enjoy controlling her some more after that said prologue?
Not to mention that she might have something more worthwhile to contribute to the storyline that requires playability?
If the second character has access to the same full party system as Sora though (and it isn't Xehanort, who has no friends or allies, only pawns for his eeevil plans) we might get something interesting to see, like i.e. a playable Aqua or Mickey with Riku, Mickey/Aqua (depending who's not playable) and possibly Ventus etc. as party members.
Guess what? *gasp*, I like Aqua too. I still think it's a stupid idea to have her playable for Kingdom Hearts III.
Every key character can be argued to have something that makes their arc deserve to be playable. But honestly, why waste the opportunity on a character that's already had the spotlight shined on them? having a already playable build doesn't justify Aqua being playable, it just looks lazy on Square Enix's part.
And if the second playable character follows a similar trend to that of Roxas, other party members wouldn't be necessary so the whole "it isn't Xehanort" argument isn't valid. If anything, Xehanort has validity to be playable because it's his saga.
You know, no one has brought up that it COULD very well be Traverse Town Guy Who Lost His Heart as the playable character.
We just don't want to raise our hopes that much, so that when it happens it'll be a joyful event.
I'm sorry, why do some people want Aqua to be the playable character? We literally had a prologue with her as a playable character...
Riku has been playable for 3 and a quarter games, and that isn't stopping people for wanting him.
I'm surprisingly fine with anyone, even Riku (otherwise I kinda feels playing has him and watching him grow would be a bit "wasted" should he sit this game out), but if I really had to say... I really want a Terra that plays well.
I have fun using characters like him.
Riku has been playable for 3 and a quarter games, and that isn't stopping people for wanting him.
I'm surprisingly fine with anyone, even Riku (otherwise I kinda feels playing has him and watching him grow would be a bit "wasted" should he sit this game out), but if I really had to say... I really want a Terra that plays well.
I have fun using characters like him.
Except Riku is the deuteragonist of the Kingdom Hearts franchise. Him being playable all the time makes narrative sense because he's the secondary protagonist. Look, favoritism aside for the Kingdom Hearts character you like the most, Sora, Riku and Kairi are the three key characters of the franchise, the story revolves around, or is connected to one of the three in some, way shape or form.
This is further proven with Kingdom Hearts III as Riku has a definitive role and story arc, to find Aqua with Mickey. If Riku ends up being playable then that's exactly the reason why.
I will take a playable Aqua over a playable Riku any day. I also changed my idea and don't want Kairi to be playable, either.
Honestly? Please just give me a mission mode-esque mode, where I can just choose character, choose party members, and play through the worlds/through quests. And give me a huge roster. Make everyone happy.
It's gonna be Xehanort. As the final part of the Xehanort Saga, it is important to mirror the hero's journey to his nemesis and foil. We'll follow Young Xehanort as an apprentice as he learns about the Book of Prophecies and the black box.
What be the actual gameplay though? Like there would be no heartless or unverse to battle at this point in time, so what enemies are there? What bosses on top of that?
Except Riku is the deuteragonist of the Kingdom Hearts franchise. Him being playable all the time makes narrative sense because he's the secondary protagonist. Look, favoritism aside for the Kingdom Hearts character you like the most, Sora, Riku and Kairi are the three key characters of the franchise, the story revolves around, or is connected to one of the three in some, way shape or form.
This is further proven with Kingdom Hearts III as Riku has a definitive role and story arc, to find Aqua with Mickey. If Riku ends up being playable then that's exactly the reason why.
You said you didn't understand why people wanted Aqua playable when she already has a prologue, and I noticed how this doesn't really stop people to ask for this or that character to be playable, that is all.
And I say the story revolves around Aqua just as much, maybe more if we're counting Kairi.
What be the actual gameplay though? Like there would be no heartless or unverse to battle at this point in time, so what enemies are there? What bosses on top of that?
Heartless were kinda around. I mean, they existed, and I have to imagine Eraqus and Xehanort became who they became by facing some sort of threat.
Great. Can't wait to play as a dumbed-down version of Sora. I guess as long as it's for a prologue like with Roxas then it's fine.
Not liking the sound of having all these party members. Having just 2 meant you couldn't stack multiple supportive abilities. It might be balanced by having large groups of mobs to fight, like they've been showing. But if not then I wouldn't be surprised if they're even more useless than in previous games.
I will take a playable Aqua over a playable Riku any day. I also changed my idea and don't want Kairi to be playable, either.
I would personally love to play as Terra again, but I'd rather think about character development over personal bias. Playing as Aqua for this entry adds minimal progression to the cast of Kingdom Hearts, we already have an in-depth understanding of what Aqua is already going through in The Realm of Darkness. No need to waste exposition on her through game play.
Let Kairi be playable if you want to see her character develop. Making a character an interactive part of the narrative makes the user more attached to them, and makes them better understand their motives by default.
Im guessing that he will let us play as multiple characters in the game, but right now saying you will play as another character. As we are all guessing, most likely Riku(going thru the realm of darkness). Doing a tutorial with Lea and Kari would be interesting as well. Many possibilities can happen but will not mention.
I would personally love to play as Terra again, but I'd rather think about character development over personal bias. Playing as Aqua for this entry adds minimal progression to the cast of Kingdom Hearts, we already have an in-depth understanding of what Aqua is already going through in The Realm of Darkness. No need to waste exposition on her through game play.
Let Kairi be playable if you want to see her character develop. Making a character an interactive part of the narrative makes the user more attached to them, and makes them better understand their motives by default.
Honestly, Kairi would be a waste as well. Sorry, but I'm honestly getting kinda sick of all the hyping-up-for-the-sake-of-it-without-payoff. The train left the station.
It's not bias, but more like preference? I don't want to play as Riku again for the fourth time, and Kairi is just too non-existent for me to be interested enough to play as her. Anyone but those two are okay for me, I guess. (I'd even take Xion, not gonna lie)
We don't even know what Nomura meant by those words.
Last time he was asked about multiple characters, he talked as if another character would've been more on the likes of Mickey in KH II than Riku in CoM or DDD, so it could even be really just a prologue thing or something similar.
Honestly, Kairi would be a waste as well. Sorry, but I'm honestly getting kinda sick of all the hyping-up-for-the-sake-of-it-without-payoff. The train left the station.
No she wouldn't. Every character in the Kingdom Hearts franchise can have a twist and turn with their character arc at any given moment. Just look at Ventus for example, he turned from one of the BBS trio that's connected to Sora, to a kid who's connected to The Age of Fairy Tales and The Keyblade War as a new Union leader.
This is nothing to do with "hyping-up-for-the-sake-of-it-without-payoff", this is to do with the narrative of Kingdom Hearts III as a standalone title, and which characters have unexplored facets. Again, Riku has been playable for two titles because he's the secondary protagonist, that's a fact whether you like that or not, key characters have favoritism in the narrative because they're key characters.
Aqua is nowhere in the same rank of importance as Sora, Riku and Kairi. Yeah, Aqua's playable in more than one game, but she's technically a side protagonist, just like Namine and just like Ephemer. You can argue all you want with Kairi's lack of character development, but Kingdom Hearts is about Sora, Riku and Kairi first and foremost. The rest of the original characters are just complimentary to them.
Aqua is nowhere in the same rank of importance as Sora, Riku and Kairi.
This is a ridiculous statement, and you know it. Aqua basically set the whole plot into motion by saving Terranort. She is the key to finding Ventus. Hell, I'd say she is more important than Kairi in the grand scheme of things.
And no. I am not saying this because I'm playing favorites or because I'm biased towards Aqua.
Aqua like Naminé and Ephemer?
Kingdom Hearts being about Kairi?
Uh, not even close, son. Not even.
Aqua ain't like Ephemer bro.
Tbh Kairi is more like Ephemer in terms of importance (though we don't know yet what'll become out of him)
Yes, Kairi was definitely what I would call ephemeral when it comes to relevance in the series.
honsely guys i think it will be kairi i underatnd people want aqua and riku again but we have seen of them and being able to plays as kairi can relly have her demop her charachter that we want to see from her
i od agee muke tohugh riku should be on last thing on there minds being playable
This is a ridiculous statement, and you know it. Aqua basically set the whole plot into motion by saving Terranort. She is the key to finding Ventus. Hell, I'd say she is more important than Kairi in the grand scheme of things.
And no. I am not saying this because I'm playing favorites or because I'm biased towards Aqua.
A side character is the key to finding another side character? I'm not denying the accomplishments Aqua has made, but she's still not in the core trio that continues to represent the franchise to this day. And if you really want to get technical, Xehanort set things in motion by having his heart be forced into Terra's body. That's how the existence of Terranort occured.
Aqua like Naminé and Ephemer?
Kingdom Hearts being about Kairi?
Uh, not even close, son. Not even.
Kairi is a Princess of Heart. That's an established role in the Kingdom Hearts mythos, and again, she debuted alongside Sora and Riku, the protagonist and deuteragonist respectively, thus making her the tritagonist. Just because she hasn't had the best character treatment doesn't dismiss her importance in the grand narrative.
Aqua ain't like Ephemer bro.
At face value, they are. They're both side characters. The only difference is that Aqua was created far earlier, and was playable, thus strengthening her character arc. Doesn't matter what accomplishments Aqua makes, she's not a deuteragonist or tritagonist. And in every narrative, characters beyond the tritagonist are side characters. Some vary in difference, but that's how storytelling works.
I'll be surprised if it's not Aqua as she already had a KH3 core gameplay system done and just needs to be fleshed out more. From any development standpoint Aqua is thus the logical choice as it means both less time and less money wasted. But more than this they have been teasing a B-story this entire time about Riku and Mickey going to search for Aqua in the realm of darkness. So if there is another playable character then the most likely choice is someone who can show this B-story.
The realm of darkness is empty and devoid of people you can't have the B-story work like a typical character search has as there is no one to talk to and ask "have you seen this person". So knowing that Riku and Mickey's story seems to have no real potential especially since Riku is immune to darkness and made peace with all his inner demons. Meanwhile Aqua is still a delicious emotional mess whose surface has been barely scratched, the cracks in her heart have been exposed now is the time to dive into those cracks even deeper. That is the kind of story that writes itself and the thing Aqua is searching for is more interesting by virtue of it being something she doesn't need to ask about. An exit from the realm of darkness is self explanatory. It also just from a game standpoint seems like it's more interesting progression wise to go from a loner to a party of 3 as opposed to a party of 2 to a party of 3.
Aqua can also have Ansem the Wise with her another character that needs exploring and screen time post KH2, he doesn't need to fight he could be a passive member there for story. Though we know he can fight and all his apprentices can fight so actually it be really cool to have Aqua with Ansem the Wise as a party member. Oh and imagine all the delicious evils those two could face as the realm of darkness brings Ansem the Wise's lost memories to life and Aqua is forced to then deal with that. Like this could even let us fight the "reformed" organization members without removing their development via Ansem's memories of them. So then KH3 lets us fight every single organization member there ever was...except Xion and Roxas of course. Now THAT would be a bang up way to say goodbye to the Organization plot line for good.
Just because she appeared alongside the protagonist and
deuteragonist
doesn't mean shit. She still is a plot device. She still accomplished nothing outside of KH1. A single game.she's still not in the core trio that continues to represent the franchise to this day.
Yeah, Kairi is not a member of SDG, either.
Princess of Heart is a title. It doesn't mean anything if you don't put that to use, which she did only in the first game.
I can make a character and giving him ties with everyone else and twenty nice-sounding titles, if he doesn't do anything that doesn't make him important to the story I'm telling.
At face value, they are. They're both side characters. The only difference is that Aqua was created far earlier, and was playable, thus strengthening her character arc. |
Look, I'm already spotting a key difference. One had a long character arc that the player saw in full display, the other didn't.
| Doesn't matter what accomplishments Aqua makes, she's not a deuteragonist or tritagonist. And in every narrative, characters beyond the tritagonist are side characters. Some vary in difference, but that's how storytelling works. |
Trust me, that's totally not how storytelling works.
Or rather. You just go and call Aqua not this and not that. (Aqua's a protagonist, btw. 100%.)
But let's just cut the gonists: Aqua is a key character, she did stuff that is still to this day influencing heavily the entire plot, who the characters are and what they are doing.
So, by how storytelling works, she's one of the primary characters.
Just because she appeared alongside the protagonist and
deuteragonist
doesn't mean shit. She still is a plot device. She still accomplished nothing outside of KH1. A single game.Yeah, Kairi is not a member of SDG, either.
A tritagonist is a tritagonist. Sorry Muke, but those are the facts. I'm not saying that Kairi is better than Aqua, in fact I like Aqua as a character for more than Kairi. It's just that Kairi has been established as the third main character of Kingdom Hearts, and unless Nomura outright confirms that Aqua has taken Kairi's spot as the tritagonist, Aqua, Roxas, Axel, etc. will be relegated as side character. And just because they're a side character doesn't mean that they're not important, it just means that they're not the core focus of the grand narrative.
I'll be surprised if it's not Aqua as she already had a KH3 core gameplay system done and just needs to be fleshed out more. From any development standpoint Aqua is thus the logical choice as it means both less time and less money wasted. But more than this they have been teasing a B-story this entire time about Riku and Mickey going to search for Aqua in the realm of darkness. So if there is another playable character then the most likely choice is someone who can show this B-story.
The realm of darkness is empty and devoid of people you can't have the B-story work like a typical character search has as there is no one to talk to and ask "have you seen this person". So knowing that Riku and Mickey's story seems to have no real potential especially since Riku is immune to darkness and made peace with all his inner demons. Meanwhile Aqua is still a delicious emotional mess whose surface has been barely scratched, the cracks in her heart have been exposed now is the time to dive into those cracks even deeper. That is the kind of story that writes itself and the thing Aqua is searching for is more interesting by virtue of it being something she doesn't need to ask about. An exit from the realm of darkness is self explanatory. It also just from a game standpoint seems like it's more interesting progression wise to go from a loner to a party of 3 as opposed to a party of 2 to a party of 3.
Aqua can also have Ansem the Wise with her another character that needs exploring and screen time post KH2, he doesn't need to fight he could be a passive member there for story. Though we know he can fight and all his apprentices can fight so actually it be really cool to have Aqua with Ansem the Wise as a party member. Oh and imagine all the delicious evils those two could face as the realm of darkness brings Ansem the Wise's lost memories to life and Aqua is forced to then deal with that. Like this could even let us fight the "reformed" organization members without removing their development via Ansem's memories of them. So then KH3 lets us fight every single organization member there ever was...except Xion and Roxas of course. Now THAT would be a bang up way to say goodbye to the Organization plot line for good.
No offence, but that sounds like such a lazy cop out. Why waste time in The Realm of Darkness again with Aqua? If you had Riku playable, and exploring the Realm of Darkness, that's fair enough because him and Mickey have an established role, but Aqua again? c'mon, 0.2. Birth by Sleep was a celebration of playing as Aqua, and now that the Disney worlds have been restored, and no worlds have fallen to Darkness, the Realm of Darkness is basically going to look just like it did in Birth by Sleep Final Mix (in the Kingdom Shader style). Does that honestly sound exciting to you?
I'd rather not go through that again, either give me Riku because he has an established role in Kingdom Hearts III, Kairi for her character development, or Young Xehanort or Young Eraqus if we're going to do the whole prologue flashback business.
Princess of Heart is a title. It doesn't mean anything if you don't put that to use, which she did only in the first game.
I can make a character and giving him ties with everyone else and twenty nice-sounding titles, if he doesn't do anything that doesn't make him important to the story I'm telling.
Look, I'm already spotting a key difference. One had a long character arc that the player saw in full display, the other didn't.
Trust me, that's totally not how storytelling works.
Or rather. You just go and call Aqua not this and not that. (Aqua's a protagonist, btw. 100%.)
But let's just cut the gonists: Aqua is a key character, she did stuff that is still to this day influencing heavily the entire plot, who the characters are and what they are doing.
So, by how storytelling works, she's one of the primary characters.
In a narrative, you have a protagonist (Sora), deuteragonist (Riku), and a tritagonist (Kairi). You have other characters, yes, they can be protagonists too, but their importance will not be as highly regarded as the established protagonist, deuteragonist or tritagonist.
I'm struggling to see why that's so hard to understand?
About the playable Aqua thing. It's not lazy at all. From a developer's perspective it's not only easier to just take Aqua and improve her a bit, but also much cheaper and a lot faster. She already has all the animations, she has attacks, a model, etc. She's already done.
But it's probably not going to be her, seeing as how 0.2 was literally a part of KH3, which would mean we'd play her twice (though I don't see why not).
Why waste time giving more screen time to a character whose arc has completed? This is supposed to end the Xehanort saga so it makes more sense to focus on a character who still has an arc with Xehanort and is still working out their stuff. Also I'm sorry but what? Riku and Mickey's established role in KH3 is literally no different than Aqua's also established role in KH3. You say 0.2 was supposed to be a celebration of Aqua, one and done, but the fact the B-story is about rescuing Aqua from the realm of darkness means she isn't done yet like at all. 0.2 introduces a lot of things in her story but didn't finish any of them and it far more logical to pick up and finish then it is to just leave it all hanging.
The fact that the RoD will likely largely look the same is WHY it makes for a good b-story it means we only need to get it in short bursts. Sora's story gets to handle all the bright happy disney worlds and then we switch over to Aqua in a cold bleak contrast. You keep imagining the story as a fully fleshed out story that you play non-stop, I don't. I picture this B-story as a way to break up the main story and in doing so that prevents the RoD story from becoming repetitive. Because the RoD is an open book it can be anything they can give it any layout and introduce any weird gimmicks they want in it. Case example the RoD in BBSFM was nothing like the RoD in 0.2 (and I mean the RoD part not the Disney world part) in terms of progression and level design. All the while they have established the RoD has the ability to show illusions and what not so we can still be dealing with more than just heartless it's just like everything Aqua would be dealing with would be internal struggles. A nice contrast to Sora who generally deals most in external struggles during the game.
And think about it how perfect would it all be from a story presentation standpoint if you then have the two playable characters, Aqua and Sora, finally unite together at Castle Oblivion where they wake up together and that brings the real B-story...Aqua's story to a true close because she will finally have made it back to wake up Ven like she promised. It just be much more impactful to be playing Aqua and leading up to that moment as her than her simply following along as a party member or just a cutscene member.
This is a ridiculous statement, and you know it. Aqua basically set the whole plot into motion by saving Terranort. She is the key to finding Ventus. Hell, I'd say she is more important than Kairi in the grand scheme of things.
And no. I am not saying this because I'm playing favorites or because I'm biased towards Aqua.
The commoners won't care about a handheld character, but they would for Riku or Kairi
I'm thinking a young Eraqus.
Why waste time giving more screen time to a character whose arc has completed? This is supposed to end the Xehanort saga so it makes more sense to focus on a character who still has an arc with Xehanort and is still working out their stuff. Also I'm sorry but what? Riku and Mickey's established role in KH3 is literally no different than Aqua's also established role in KH3. You say 0.2 was supposed to be a celebration of Aqua, one and done, but the fact the B-story is about rescuing Aqua from the realm of darkness means she isn't done yet like at all. 0.2 introduces a lot of things in her story but didn't finish any of them and it far more logical to pick up and finish then it is to just leave it all hanging.
The fact that the RoD will likely largely look the same is WHY it makes for a good b-story it means we only need to get it in short bursts. Sora's story gets to handle all the bright happy disney worlds and then we switch over to Aqua in a cold bleak contrast. You keep imagining the story as a fully fleshed out story that you play non-stop, I don't. I picture this B-story as a way to break up the main story and in doing so that prevents the RoD story from becoming repetitive. Because the RoD is an open book it can be anything they can give it any layout and introduce any weird gimmicks they want in it. Case example the RoD in BBSFM was nothing like the RoD in 0.2 (and I mean the RoD part not the Disney world part) in terms of progression and level design. All the while they have established the RoD has the ability to show illusions and what not so we can still be dealing with more than just heartless it's just like everything Aqua would be dealing with would be internal struggles. A nice contrast to Sora who generally deals most in external struggles during the game.
And think about it how perfect would it all be from a story presentation standpoint if you then have the two playable characters, Aqua and Sora, finally unite together at Castle Oblivion where they wake up together and that brings the real B-story...Aqua's story to a true close because she will finally have made it back to wake up Ven like she promised. It just be much more impactful to be playing Aqua and leading up to that moment as her than her simply following along as a party member or just a cutscene member.
Why waste time giving more screen time to a character whose arc has completed? This is supposed to end the Xehanort saga so it makes more sense to focus on a character who still has an arc with Xehanort and is still working out their stuff. Also I'm sorry but what? Riku and Mickey's established role in KH3 is literally no different than Aqua's also established role in KH3. You say 0.2 was supposed to be a celebration of Aqua, one and done, but the fact the B-story is about rescuing Aqua from the realm of darkness means she isn't done yet like at all. 0.2 introduces a lot of things in her story but didn't finish any of them and it far more logical to pick up and finish then it is to just leave it all hanging.
The fact that the RoD will likely largely look the same is WHY it makes for a good b-story it means we only need to get it in short bursts. Sora's story gets to handle all the bright happy disney worlds and then we switch over to Aqua in a cold bleak contrast. You keep imagining the story as a fully fleshed out story that you play non-stop, I don't. I picture this B-story as a way to break up the main story and in doing so that prevents the RoD story from becoming repetitive. Because the RoD is an open book it can be anything they can give it any layout and introduce any weird gimmicks they want in it. Case example the RoD in BBSFM was nothing like the RoD in 0.2 (and I mean the RoD part not the Disney world part) in terms of progression and level design. All the while they have established the RoD has the ability to show illusions and what not so we can still be dealing with more than just heartless it's just like everything Aqua would be dealing with would be internal struggles. A nice contrast to Sora who generally deals most in external struggles during the game.
And think about it how perfect would it all be from a story presentation standpoint if you then have the two playable characters, Aqua and Sora, finally unite together at Castle Oblivion where they wake up together and that brings the real B-story...Aqua's story to a true close because she will finally have made it back to wake up Ven like she promised. It just be much more impactful to be playing Aqua and leading up to that moment as her than her simply following along as a party member or just a cutscene member.
If anybody still has their stuff they need to work out with Xehanort, it's Terra. But you don't see me advocating Terra as the playable character for this entry.
I still don't find that appealing. Give the B story to either Riku (because he's the deuteragonist who's travelling with Mickey), Kairi (because she's training with Lea, and she needs some character development), or Young Xehanort or Young Eraqus (to better understand the antagonists motives). When I want to play Kingdom Hearts III, I don't want to play 0.2 Birth by Sleep part 2. That'd be wasted potential in my opinion.
You can easily have the whole reuniting situation with Sora and Kairi too. Kairi trains with Lea, a Seeker of Darkness taunts Kairi regarding Sora's darkness, Kairi follows the Seeker around, and coincidentally bumps into Sora. Sora asks why Kairi's not training with Lea and Merlin, and her response is about the Seekers of Darkness taunting Sora with falling to the darkness. There, a freestyled script that not only justifies Kairi as a playable character, but can have Kairi and Sora meet up after the former transitions to the latter.
The commoners won't care about a handheld character, but they would for Riku or Kairi
Because Riku and Kairi are the deuteragonist and tritagonist respectively.
I would really love if it was Kairi with a tutorial mission. But I really think it'll be a young Xehanort or young Eraqua right after the chess game, during their mark of mastery or something like that.
In a narrative, you have a protagonist (Sora), deuteragonist (Riku), and a tritagonist (Kairi). You have other characters, yes, they can be protagonists too, but their importance will not be as highly regarded as the established protagonist, deuteragonist or tritagonist.
I'm struggling to see why that's so hard to understand?
The fact that a) it doesn't work that way, as many narrative works don't have "established" protagonist but multiples all equals, it's not just "here's the main three everyone else comes after", b) you said Aqua was a side character which is just untrue, and c) you just came and said "this is the truth, that's how narration works", and that's just as untrue, no matter how many deuteragonists and King Tritonists you bring to the table.
We kinda varied a bit since the classic Greek comedies, where the structure you speak of was used. But it hasn't been the only available model for a while.
I think you simply need to lay off the denomination game for a bit and look more at what the characters do and are, not how (you think) they are called.
I saw this a bunch of times: by keep using definition upon definition, without bending them to the context, you can arrive to claim that the sun is cold. But that's why man is a being of reason, we can modify statements when needed.
What be the actual gameplay though? Like there would be no heartless or unverse to battle at this point in time, so what enemies are there? What bosses on top of that?
There were Heartless that slipped out of the Realm of Darkness every now and then. Not to mention Xehanort himself begins to traverse the darkness so I have no doubt in my mind he would have encountered Heartless on his journey to evil town.
but who would it be riku maybe i think cause they said it would be him though too play as riku.
Am I the only one thinking maybe the other playable character is Lea (Axel)? He got his keyblade at the end of DDD. He and Kairi had been training on Destiny Islands (according to one of the other orchestras).
I think we might be able to play as him since he had such a key role in Roxas's life and is pretty closely connected to Sora now.
Kairi is a good bet, but Axel may be as well. He's also quite the fan favorite (or was a fan favorite).
The fact that a) it doesn't work that way, as many narrative works don't have "established" protagonist but multiples all equals, it's not just "here's the main three everyone else comes after", b) you said Aqua was a side character which is just untrue, and c) you just came and said "this is the truth, that's how narration works", and that's just as untrue, no matter how many deuteragonists and King Tritonists you bring to the table.
I think you simply need to lay off the denomination game for a bit and look more at what the characters do and are, not how (you think) they are called.
I saw this a bunch of times: by keep using definition upon definition, without bending them to the context, you can arrive to claim that the sun is cold. But that's why man is a being of reason, we can modify statements when needed.
With storytelling, some character are placed higher in the rank of importance to others. Doesn't matter if some characters have had more screen time than others, the protagonist, deuteragonist and tritagonist are clearly defined. You ever wonder why Riku was playable in Chain of Memories, was involved in the restoration of Sora's memories in 358/2 Days, was the character that Terra bequeathed the Keyblade to, was the personification of Jiminy's Journal in Coded and became a playable Keyblade Master in Dream Drop Distance? It's easy to delegate that reason to Nomura logic, but honestly, he's the secondary character to the Kingdom Hearts franchise.
Aqua has only been heavily involved in Birth by Sleep and 0.2 Birth by Sleep, with a cameo in Dream Drop Distance as an illusion, and part of the secret ending. Kairi has been involved with Kingdom Hearts 1, Kingdom Hearts 2, referenced in Chain of Memories, cameo'd in Birth by Sleep, is part of the secret ending in Dream Drop Distance, and is part of the ending in 0.2 Birth by Sleep.
The importance of the Destiny Island trio over every other Kingdom Hearts character is far more established than a lot of people assume.
(About your earlier statement that SRK represents the franchise, Baymax:)
Personally, when I think "Kingdom Hearts", my mind instantly goes "Sora, Donald, and Goofy". I feel like this is the actual trio that represents the franchise.
If anybody still has their stuff they need to work out with Xehanort, it's Terra. But you don't see me advocating Terra as the playable character for this entry.
I still don't find that appealing. Give the B story to either Riku (because he's the deuteragonist who's travelling with Mickey), Kairi (because she's training with Lea, and she needs some character development), or Young Xehanort or Young Eraqus (to better understand the antagonists motives). When I want to play Kingdom Hearts III, I don't want to play 0.2 Birth by Sleep part 2. That'd be wasted potential in my opinion.
You can easily have the whole reuniting situation with Sora and Kairi too. Kairi trains with Lea, a Seeker of Darkness taunts Kairi regarding Sora's darkness, Kairi follows the Seeker around, and coincidentally bumps into Sora. Sora asks why Kairi's not training with Lea and Merlin, and her response is about the Seekers of Darkness taunting Sora with falling to the darkness. There, a freestyled script that not only justifies Kairi as a playable character, but can have Kairi and Sora meet up after the former transitions to the latter.
"I don't want to play 0.2 BBS pt 2. but I do want to play BBS pt 2." you realize that is what you said right? Your suggestion for Kairi's story is just a rehash of Ven's story in BBS and I think if you're going to propose a story you can at least do better than that. I would adore a playable Kairi but she is...sadly the least likely candidate and the fact you basically have to sit and try to imagine a reason for Kairi to have a playable story in it of itself shows why the favor is more in Aqua over her. Because Aqua already has everything they need from gameplay to story it's all right there waiting to be used. And thank you for bringing up Terra because that's another reason to have an Aqua story. Even though we don't know where Terra is that doesn't matter as it's been established Terra and Aqua can still communicate. That's a big benefit of Aqua's story is that you don't just bring her story to a close by making her playable you bring TAV's story as a whole. With Aqua we can have a constant appearance and involvement from Terra as opposed to him be relegated to appearing at the end or something.
I'll go out on a limb and say that there will actually be more than 2 playable characters. This is KH freaking 3 we're talking about! If this isn't the time to go all out, then I don't know when it is! They can totally do it.
I personally would like to play as Riku and Kairi in between Sora's journey just to take a little break from the Disney stuff and focus heavily on major "Square" plot threads.
(About your earlier statement that SRK represents the franchise, Baymax:)
Personally, when I think "Kingdom Hearts", my mind instantly goes "Sora, Donald, and Goofy". I feel like this is the actual trio that represents the franchise.
At this point, the trios of "Sora, Donald and Goofy" and "Sora, Riku and Mickey" embody the series way more than SRK. SRK and SDG were top dog in the first three installments, but Days, Coded, BbS, DDD, and even 0.2 have diminished that. God, DDD was all about Sora's connections to people and Kairi is only mentioned like what, once?
With storytelling, some character are placed higher in the rank of importance to others. Doesn't matter if some characters have had more screen time than others, the protagonist, deuteragonist and tritagonist are clearly defined. You ever wonder why Riku was playable in Chain of Memories, was involved in the restoration of Sora's memories in 358/2 Days, was the character that Terra bequeathed the Keyblade to, was the personification of Jiminy's Journal in Coded and became a playable Keyblade Master in Dream Drop Distance? It's easy to delegate that reason to Nomura logic, but honestly, he's the secondary character to the Kingdom Hearts franchise.
Who said anything about Riku.
Although, again, you are quoting mostly things that are slightly more than just asterisks on his character bio, instead of what he actually did in the story.
Also I'm telling you, don't go by the book so much. This protagonist, deuteragonist, tritagonist thing is not the Bible of narration. It's how ancient Greeks did things.
Guess what, ancient Greeks from Aristotle onwards also set every one of their stories in the same place, day and action. It is a recognized narrative technique, but we don't strictly do only that anymore.
Just drop this dude. We've been telling you this reading doesn't apply the way you think it does.
Aqua has only been heavily involved in Birth by Sleep and 0.2 Birth by Sleep, with a cameo in Dream Drop Distance as an illusion, and part of the secret ending. Kairi has been involved with Kingdom Hearts 1, Kingdom Hearts 2, referenced in Chain of Memories, cameo'd in Birth by Sleep, is part of the secret ending in Dream Drop Distance, and is part of the ending in 0.2 Birth by Sleep. |
Yes, "only". You know, those few games of little importance, where she did barely anything.
Kairi, on the other hand? Man, the stuff she did in KH II, DDD and 0.2. Necessary to a T.
I am somewhat sorry for the tone of the answer, but... you're seriously telling me that Aqua is below Kairi after listing these things.
You said "heavily involved": good. Kairi stopped being heavily involved after CoM. Fact.
Aqua basically wrote what happened in the saga after BbS.
As you said, who cares about screentime. It's about what they did and are doing.
| The importance of the Destiny Island trio over every other Kingdom Hearts character is far more established than a lot of people assume. |
No.
Trust me, you're the one who's using labels and physical attendances in games to determine a character's relevance, instead of what the character did and how it influenced the series.
To try and make this more clear, what you're saying roughly equals to calling Master Roshi more important than Mr Satan in Dragon Ball Z, just because he's around, he has an important-sounding title and he's tied with so many people, including having a stronger relationship with the protagonist.
This conversation is exhausting. If the majority of you genuinely believe that the other protagonist characters have as equal representation and importance in the overall narrative as Sora, Riku and Kairi, because you feel that the protagonist, deuteragonist and tritagonist categorisation doesn't exist in Kingdom Hearts, then be my guest in believing that. These are all opinions (including mines) at the end of the day.
Honestly, at this point, I can't for the playable character to be revealed as anybody but Aqua so that this debate can drop. Extra privilege points for me if it ends up being either Riku or Kairi (though even if it was Kairi, I wouldn't be surprised if people still think that she lacks character development despite being playable).
Hey, have we seen Attraction Flow in the last couple of trailers? I think it's just been drives, weapons, & team-ups. Perhaps the theme park rides got migrated to the other character.
Who knows?
We could get Roxas for all we know if Sora gets a Keyblade to the chest courtesy of Xehanort. (Or stabs himself (AGAIN) to get Ven's heart out).
I wouldn't mind playing as Kairi at all but the idea that she's done more than Aqua in the series is laughable. She's an emotional motivator for Sora for sure but that "trio" hasn't been present since the first game, she's spent large chunks of time offscreen, even when she's onscreen she's not given much to do and KH3 will be the first time they're letting her be involved in the plot beyond being a plot point. If we're really going to go "who's more involved in the plot" then that goes to Aqua, hands down, who's been an actual protagonist of two games, has an ongoing quest that ties directly the to the main series villain who she's fought before and who will need to be found and set free, meaning at least some of the plot will most likely be about her.
For all we know the character will be Riku again so we're off with Mickey anyway.
We already talked about it, but man... I still wish some characters will get at least a boss battle. Even without fully customizing them before if necessary.
I can't believe Roxas or Lea won't have their own clashes with Xemnas and Isa, and I definitely don't want those to be offscreen or just cutscenes.
It's Ps4/Xbox One, come on. We should be able to get this.
EDIT: so my 1000th comment is about me complaining about KH III. Seems legit.
I saw this idea a while back that always stuck with me; in one of the older KH3 trailers (I can't remember which one for sure) they had that cool cutscene with young Xehanort and Eraqus playing chess. It seemed like such a well rounded, completed cutscene; I honestly would be super surprised if it didn't end up in the final game. So, what if the prologue/tutorial was you playing in the past as either young Eraqus or, even better, young Xehanort? Give a bit more backstory on the two, and maybe more motivations and such for why Xehanort wants to summon Kingdom Hearts, besides "I want to start the apocalypse just to see what happens"
I could see Riku or a Young Xehanort being the 2nd playable character. They just feel like the obvious choices given how the series has played out.
Kairi feels like a longshot given how little they've done with her since kh2 but who knows.
I saw this idea a while back that always stuck with me; in one of the older KH3 trailers (I can't remember which one for sure) they had that cool cutscene with young Xehanort and Eraqus playing chess. It seemed like such a well rounded, completed cutscene; I honestly would be super surprised if it didn't end up in the final game. So, what if the prologue/tutorial was you playing in the past as either young Eraqus or, even better, young Xehanort? Give a bit more backstory on the two, and maybe more motivations and such for why Xehanort wants to summon Kingdom Hearts, besides "I want to start the apocalypse just to see what happens"
What about an original avatar character a la KHUX?
She is not bored with you? She already could play 0.2. I think she will be more interesting for the harem as for the story and for the fans, if it's Kairi (And maybe Lea and Roxas)
She is not bored with you? She already could play 0.2. I think she will be more interesting for the harem as for the story and for the fans, if it's Kairi (And maybe Lea and Roxas)
... I'm guessing you're talking about Aqua? And saying that a playable Kairi will be more interesting for the fans? Well, that's a broad statement to make, 'cause to me and many others, Kairi is as interesting as a brick.
does know how nomura going reveal the person yet? that what i i wondering
| "So it would be tough to introduce many, multiple playable characters, but there is an intention of adding a playable character aside from Sora. Unfortunately we’re not able to disclose who it is yet, but there will be [another playable character]," Nomura said. |
this quote here said he going to revel that person later but how?
In a trailer. In a magazine. In an interview.
So many possibilities. I don't think it matters how he reveals it.
In a trailer. In a magazine. In an interview.
So many possibilities. I don't think it matters how he reveals it.
What about an original avatar character a la KHUX?
that would be unexpected but it maybe underwheming for some fans.
My money's on Riku. Nomura was disappointed with his popularity in the polls and said he'd like to do something about that. I'm guessing his keyblade transformations are going to be 10x more badass than Sora's lol.
My money's on Riku. Nomura was disappointed with his popularity in the polls and said he'd like to do something about that. I'm guessing his keyblade transformations are going to be 10x more badass than Sora's lol.
It'd be funny to have Ephemer as the second playable character. The flashback scene of Xehanort and Eraqus can be about their Master talking about The Age of Fairy Tales. Kind of like a flashback inception lol.
It'd be funny to have Ephemer as the second playable character. The flashback scene of Xehanort and Eraqus can be about their Master talking about The Age of Fairy Tales. Kind of like a flashback inception lol.
Please no. It's obvious we will have some plot points and elements from X in KH3, but I want as little as possible. So please no playable Ephemer.
Please no. It's obvious we will have some plot points and elements from X in KH3, but I want as little as possible. So please no playable Ephemer.
I wasn't actually being serious about that, it'd just be a funny departure.
And as far as X goes, it's seems to be fairly prominent in the game anyway. Maleficent is looking for the black box, the new Star Keyblade seems to be a Starlight 2.0, A Fox that resembles Ava is in one of the promotional artwork, and Ventus is connected to the era.
Hmm, to be honest, now that I think about it... it'd be very fun to have Ux be ported on consoles. Yes, still CaC, same worlds, same story, in UE4. And instead of using medals and all, we could just gain Abilities throughout the game and customize our moveset individually. Kinda like KH1 and KH2.
I think that'd be great.
Hmm, to be honest, now that I think about it... it'd be very fun to have Ux be ported on consoles. Yes, still CaC, same worlds, same story, in UE4. And instead of using medals and all, we could just gain Abilities throughout the game and customize our moveset individually. Kinda like KH1 and KH2.
I think that'd be great.
Yeah, a full-blown console MMO that's still an ARPG would be dope.
Hmm, to be honest, now that I think about it... it'd be very fun to have Ux be ported on consoles. Yes, still CaC, same worlds, same story, in UE4. And instead of using medals and all, we could just gain Abilities throughout the game and customize our moveset individually. Kinda like KH1 and KH2.
I think that'd be great.
Just have to make sure it's not as horribly handled...
Hmm, to be honest, now that I think about it... it'd be very fun to have Ux be ported on consoles. Yes, still CaC, same worlds, same story, in UE4. And instead of using medals and all, we could just gain Abilities throughout the game and customize our moveset individually. Kinda like KH1 and KH2.
I think that'd be great.
I was actually going to make a topic about this.
I genuinely believe that this will be the next Kingdom Hearts title for 2019. Not only is it a comfortable transition after the Xehanort saga, but it wouldn't feel too alienating as we're playing pre-established characters.
It would be asinine to make a big deal about giving Kairi a keyblade, summoning her to Yen Sid for training, and having Merlin put her and Lea in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber to speed up her training only to not have her as playable.
C'mon. It's Kairi.
Whoever it winds up being, half the fandom will love it and the other half will hate it. XD
Whoever it winds up being, half the fandom will love it and the other half will hate it. XD
What would all your reactions be if it is Terra :p
What would all your reactions be if it is Terra :p
Bored .
Whoever it winds up being, half the fandom will love it and the other half will hate it. XD
No way half the fandom will hate playing as pluto.
I never played FFXV myself, but didn't one of the demos show you playing as the dog? Was that ever implemented? Tbh I wouldn't mind wrecking shit with Pluto in KH3 tbh. That sounds fun af.
[FONT=times new roman]* crosses fingers for it to be Kairi *[/FONT]
I think the playable character is pretty obvious. The entire series has been leading up to their inclusion tbh.
[spoiler]
You're going DOWN.[/spoiler]
I just hope they tie into the narrative in a significant way like Roxas and Riku did. If the addition of another character is superfluous then it really isn't worth the dev time. That's why my vote goes to YMX flashbacks that are playable
So apparently Twilight Town is the starting world instead of Olympus. If we don't start as Sora, we may get our second playable character there.
This whole thing is so bizzare… The first cutscene in the game is the one with Young Xehanort and Young Eraqus. The first world we play in is Twilight Town, presumably the tutorial with the other playable character. It's just weird.
(Not trying to say there's a connection)
This whole thing is so bizzare… The first cutscene in the game is the one with Young Xehanort and Young Eraqus. The first world we play in is Twilight Town, presumably the tutorial with the other playable character. It's just weird.
(Not trying to say there's a connection)
I didn't even know how much I needed a tutorial playing as badasss YMX being all cool and using some awesome darkness moves but I need it. I reeeally don't think that's going to happen but how awesome would it be. I kinda love playing as bad guys.
Maybe the second playable character is Riku or Mickey in Twilight Town. They need to find an entrance in the Realm of Darkness and Twilight Town could be the world they find it in. They did find a way to the Organization's castle there in KH2
Honestly, who's to say the opening to KH3 doesn't parallel the opening to 3D? 3D started with a Xehanort flashback, then we got Sora and Riku on DI as the tutorial with flashbacks explaining why, and THEN we got our first world.
I mean, 0.2 was supposed to be the opening to KH3 but was moved to 2.8 and expanded, wasn't it? Not that hard to believe that KH3 would replace it with another tutorial world before we get all Olympus in there.
This whole thing is so bizzare… The first cutscene in the game is the one with Young Xehanort and Young Eraqus. The first world we play in is Twilight Town, presumably the tutorial with the other playable character. It's just weird.
(Not trying to say there's a connection)
I mean, Twilight Town does have cable cars.
But anyway, hearing about this makes me think either Lea or Kairi will be the other playable character. Lea went back to Radiant Garden, but he could make a stop at Twilight Town to grab stuff from the mansion, and Kairi was at the mansion with Hayner, Pence, and Olette in the old BBS vol. 2 secret movie.
And Sora's reason for heading there could be because whoever went there for tutorial time didn't come back yet, and given we know Xemnas and Ansem are there.... I swear, if Kairi got kidnapped again...
I don't think it's Sora. It doesn't make much sense from a narrative standpoint when Hercules is supposed to help him get back his strength.
This whole thing is so bizzare… The first cutscene in the game is the one with Young Xehanort and Young Eraqus. The first world we play in is Twilight Town, presumably the tutorial with the other playable character. It's just weird.
(Not trying to say there's a connection)
You may actually be onto something there.....maybe we play as Young Master Xehanort. Something happens in his original world where he's transported to Twilight Town somehow. Maybe he discovers the mansion or something? No idea....but something to think about for sure. First Cutscene / First Playable World may have a connection.
I just hope we get an explanation for the mansion's ding dang dibbly birdy unicornys.
Maybe the second playable character is Riku
Riku and Aqua are not significant enough to serve as a playable counterpoint to Sora in this story right now. Aqua's biz has been well elaborated on in 0.2, and Riku has nothing interesting going on anymore. While I would not enjoy it, Ven has plenty of loose ends. Kairi would also be nice but I fear she won't be prominent enough for it to not feel hamfisted. Xehanort's story is almost over, so what better time to play him?
its ventus <: 3
Ok, so, Riku and Mickey are going to the realm of darkness, in order to get Aqua, right? ...aaand Aqua would like to restore Ven... And traversing the worlds lost to the darkness as Ven and Aqua would be beautiful.. (Think End of The World and the fragmented world they showed us in 2.8 Aqua Story)
Soo following that logic we'll be in the darkness realm, playing as Ven/Vanitas with Aqua as party member to meet up with Riku and Mickey. And to mingle with that realm Sora may "access the darkness" like Xemnas said in the latest trailer so when this happens, aand Vanitas happens mid gameish, Sora'll gain a Dual Wielding form we'd all like to see again. >:^D :rolleyes::confused:
#SoratheGoat #YouReallyThinkHeAinFinnaDualWieldOathkeeperAndOblivion? #DontSleepOnKidKey
#KingBoss #Kidlion #S/OsinbaThaLion #DeepDownTheresAlightThatNeverGoesOut
Re: its ventus <: 3
Ok, so, Riku and Mickey are going to the realm of darkness, in order to get Aqua, right? ...aaand Aqua would like to restore Ven... And traversing the worlds lost to the darkness as Ven and Aqua would be beautiful.. (Think End of The World and the fragmented world they showed us in 2.8 Aqua Story)
Soo following that logic we'll be in the darkness realm, playing as Ven/Vanitas with Aqua as party member to meet up with Riku and Mickey. And to mingle with that realm Sora may "access the darkness" like Xemnas said in the latest trailer so when this happens, aand Vanitas happens mid gameish, Sora'll gain a Dual Wielding form we'd all like to see again. >:^D :rolleyes::confused:
#SoratheGoat #YouReallyThinkHeAinFinnaDualWieldOathkeeperAndOblivion? #DontSleepOnKidKey
#KingBoss #Kidlion #S/OsinbaThaLion #DeepDownTheresAlightThatNeverGoesOut
Yeah, no. Ven is still sleeping in Castle Oblivion.
Re: its ventus <: 3
Yeah, no. Ven is still sleeping in Castle Oblivion.
yes and ventus' heart sleeps in darkness even if his body is in the realm between/castle oblivion sleeping. Also Ventus was very powerful, powerful enough to manifest himself as a keyblade armor nightmare in Dream Drop Distance. Who's to say his heart can't manifest the same way in the realm of darkness? Ventus/Vanitas??
Re: its ventus <: 3
yes and ventus' heart sleeps in darkness even if his body is in the realm between/castle oblivion sleeping. Also Ventus was very powerful, powerful enough to manifest himself as a keyblade armor nightmare in Dream Drop Distance. Who's to say his heart can't manifest the same way in the realm of darkness? Ventus/Vanitas??
I mean his heart is still within Sora. Yes, he CAN manifest himself in the RoD, we saw that in 0.2. But he can't do anything - he just stands around. He can't even actively move. Though to be fair, one might say that he got better, but we don't know that
Re: its ventus <: 3
I mean his heart is still within Sora. Yes, he CAN manifest himself in the RoD, we saw that in 0.2. But he can't do anything - he just stands around. He can't even actively move. Though to be fair, one might say that he got better, but we don't know that
Cool proposition. I didn't recall the scene so I went back to see it. Strikes me that only Terra can talk. Speaking of powerful, wouldn't you say Terra's ability to manifest has been demonstrably stronger than even Ventus cuz that dude stayed in his armor after having his heart ripped out.. So Terra can move around and talk in the realm of darkness, even with Xehanort trying to control him.. sooo.. What could Ventus do with Sora's assistance when he's mastered the darkness in his heart looming over Roxas who's also in Sora's heart?
Re: its ventus <: 3
Yeah, no. Ven is still sleeping in Castle Oblivion.
Press X to snore.
Re: its ventus <: 3
We'll play as Ven sleeping in the chair.
Press X to snore.
Maybe that will be the first implementation of multiplayer! split screen, Sora on the left, ventus on the right. You've got to navigate CO to get to him. It's like Marco polo but less fun.
Re: its ventus <: 3
We'll play as Ven sleeping in the chair.
Press X to snore.
Let's not lie to ourselves, we'd all buy it
Re: its ventus <: 3
Let's not lie to ourselves, we'd all buy it
Think of all the mini games we could play inside his head as we wait for him to wake up again. It'd be the KHII prologue all over again! :tongue:
Re: its ventus <: 3
We'll play as Ven sleeping in the chair.
Press X to snore.
You deserve an award for this idea alone
Your reply is so good I'm getting emotional I'm not even kidding
there's... there's still hope on the forums
| Nomura also revealed that there may be more than 5 people in Sora's party at certain points in the game. |
yesss, dammit
When the lights join up to fight the darknesses~
Really looking forward to any and all the excessive team member situations though. <3
<3 + friends = power (- potions)
yesss, dammit
When the lights join up to fight the darknesses~
Really looking forward to any and all the excessive team member situations though. <3
<3 + friends = power (- potions)
I'm really hoping all of the Big Hero 6 will be in the party in San Fransokyo.
I mean his heart is still within Sora. Yes, he CAN manifest himself in the RoD, we saw that in 0.2. But he can't do anything - he just stands around. He can't even actively move. Though to be fair, one might say that he got better, but we don't know that
Cool proposition. I didn't recall the scene so I went back to see it. Strikes me that only Terra can talk. Speaking of powerful, wouldn't you say Terra's ability to manifest has been demonstrably stronger than even Ventus cuz that dude stayed in his armor after having his heart ripped out.. So Terra can move around and talk in the realm of darkness, even with Xehanort trying to control him.. sooo.. What could Ventus do with Sora's assistance when he's mastered the darkness in his heart looming over Roxas who's also in Sora's heart?
I thought that Terra's heart is reaching out to Aqua and Aqua is sensing it. Since she's sensing Terra's heart, her mind basically puts a picture to that presence ("just paints the picture it so wants to see"). This would mean that Ventus is also reaching out for her (but not Terra or not able to reach him since Terra doesn't see him) , but since he's still asleep, he can't interact with her at all.
So basically, Terra being able to contact Aqua while he is somewhat torn between being Ansem SoD and Xemnas already shows us that Ventus should be able to contact Aqua from within Sora - but can't because his heart is still sleeping. But neither of them is really a manifestation or anything (they can't be since they're both in the Realm of Light). Look how Terra and Aqua don't touch each other and Aqua never touches Ven either - she would be able to if they could manifest.
We'll play as Ven sleeping in the chair.
Press X to snore.
Let's not lie to ourselves, we'd all buy it
[strike]I'd be much more inclined to let Ven snore than have Lea as the playable character, sorry not sorry. GIVE. US. KAIRI.[/strike]
Think of all the mini games we could play inside his head as we wait for him to wake up again. It'd be the KHII prologue all over again! :tongue:
Now THAT is actually not too bad of a concept! It could be quite interesting, with the Dandelion stuff especially...
Calling it, the second playable character is Striletzia. She's a tutorial character to get us familiar with analog controls, and it ends with her assassination in glorious (C) Unreal Engine 4 (All Rights Reserved).
Calling it, the second playable character is Striletzia. She's a tutorial character to get us familiar with analog controls, and it ends with her assassination in glorious (C) Unreal Engine 4 (All Rights Reserved).
Wat. How did you get that idea? I highly doubt it
Wat. How did you get that idea? I highly doubt it
I think he got it from his funny bones!
Hey it's a win-win right? Everyone gets to play a secondary character and get to see
Striletzia in stunning HD like quality lol
Calling it, the second playable character is Striletzia. She's a tutorial character to get us familiar with analog controls, and it ends with her assassination in glorious (C) Unreal Engine 4 (All Rights Reserved).
Calling it, the second playable character is Striletzia. She's a tutorial character to get us familiar with analog controls, and it ends with her assassination in glorious (C) Unreal Engine 4 (All Rights Reserved).
Okay but legit, yes please. If it means we get to play as her even for a little while and get an HD model of her, I'm all for it. Come on Nomura you've done dumber things. Can we meme this to become real somehow.
I am going with Riku. I think we will play as him a bit in the beginning, getting into the Realm of Darkness with Mickey. Then cut to Sora at Olympia, then later in the game it goes back to him, he gets Aqua, and Riku and Sora keep building up the seven people they need to take on Xenonort is the final battle.
Most likely Riku. Nomura wasn't happy with his placement in the popularity polls and said "maybe we should do something about that", so I think he's a safe bet. Plus, the Dark World is already a fully built asset for the devs to rehash for Riku/Mickey's journey in the realm of darkness, so it makes sense from a cost efficiency standpoint.
I'm actually the only person on the planet right now who knows who it is, aside from the dev team; I requested it~
(see my other topic) x3
believe me, it's a surprise haha.
I'm actually the only person on the planet right now who knows who it is, aside from the dev team; I requested it~
(see my other topic) x3
believe me, it's a surprise haha.
hehe.. I know who it is too but I don't know if I should tell anyone either
hehe.. I know who it is too but I don't know if I should tell anyone either
kurt zisa. not the heartless though, i mean the new yorker who is haunted by prank calls from some baneposting little pretty boy
kurt zisa. not the heartless though, i mean the new yorker who is haunted by prank calls from some baneposting little pretty boy
You're a big guy for remembering this
I have two theories about this...
1. The tutorial stage will be played as Kairi undergoing Keyblade training in Radiant Garden. The "boss" fight would be a friendly sparring match with either Yuffie or Lea.
2. You play as Riku going into the Dark World to rescue Aqua.
I feel like Aqua might be the most obvious choice. We play as her in the Realm of Darkness, then Mickey and Riku join the party as they try to escape. They already have Mickey's party member data from 0.2 and making Riku a party member would be easier than fleshing him out, especially considering that he is THE keyblade master. It would be weird to play the tutorial as a super powered Riku, yet be restricted so much in one of the most dangerous places to be.
Riku saving Aqua wouldn't be a tutorial at all. That's something that would happen about midway through the game. Only the scenario with Kairi was meant as a possible tutorial.
Riku saving Aqua wouldn't be a tutorial at all. That's something that would happen about midway through the game. Only the scenario with Kairi was meant as a possible tutorial.
The tutorial could easily be Sora training for a bit in Yen Sid's tower, then flying off to Olympus Coliseum. Then maybe in small segments, we play as Aqua in the Realm of Darkness, then Riku and Mickey save her (and join the party). That would justify having Riku and Mickey at full strength, because we've seen what can be done.
I would like Kairi as a tutorial, but I think it would be a weird place for the story to begin narrative wise. It would just be Kairi with Lea, sure they get the apologies and all that jazz, but from the get go we need to be focusing on Xehanort.
and here I am wishing the tutorial is Xehanort sparring with Eraqus in the distant past.
However it sounds like this other person going to be new though that rules aqua and riku
I really want it to be Kairi, although I'm equally afraid of that. What she needs way more than being playable is character development, and of course they could do both, but they could also just make her playable for a while and expect us to be happy with that...
Other than that, whoever it is, be it Riku, Kairi, Aqua or even YX - just don't make them playable for a small segment and then it's over. I absolutely HATE when games do that! I hated it in every Final Fantasy game ever, having the chance to control a cool character and then being forced to control someone else again. Just please, if you make someone playable, make it possible to main them, at least late game.
we dont know if it tutorialor not not or what going all we know we getting another playable charachter that probally new for all we know this playable charachter could have a world or two to play in
as seeing this playable as new it seems it rules we playes riku and aqua already
I really want it to be Kairi, although I'm equally afraid of that. What she needs way more than being playable is character development, and of course they could do both, but they could also just make her playable for a while and expect us to be happy with that...
Other than that, whoever it is, be it Riku, Kairi, Aqua or even YX - just don't make them playable for a small segment and then it's over. I absolutely HATE when games do that! I hated it in every Final Fantasy game ever, having the chance to control a cool character and then being forced to control someone else again. Just please, if you make someone playable, make it possible to main them, at least late game.
Kairi needed character development a long time ago. It’s a recurring flaw for Tetsuya Nomura games to have important characters with very little character development or very little backstory.
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