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My personal thought/hope is that Kairi will at some point be either a playable character or at least a party member. I've always loved Kairi, I admit to shipping her & Sora, & I really want her to do more than just a background girl who has to be rescued again. They are setting her up to be more than that, & I hope they follow through with that setup.

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As a party member hopefully. I'm tired of Donald & Goofy though I get why people like them. I just want more party members that aren't world exclusive.

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Yeah it seems like the story is setting her up to do something more than just wait around.



It would be great if Kairi became a playable character. After being introduced to Birth by Sleep's diverse set of characters, I feel like they should do something similar for Kingdom Hearts III.

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I hope that whatever's planned for Kairi for KH3 it'll be satisfying. She deserve a large role since this is the end of this saga.

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I really want Kairi to have a bigger role in 3. I've seen a theory tossed around somewhere that Sora, Riku, and Kairi will have a storyline similar to the BBS crew and will all be playable in their own, occasionally-intersecting stories, with Sora doing the thing he always does and barricading the various worlds against their own dark issues, Riku trying to piece together the lights, and Kairi doing something with the Princesses of Hearts. While I'm not sure I like the entire scenario, I would love to have Kairi (and Riku!) appear as playable characters, at least for a bit.

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Great theory zephyr. This and the art, you may just be Nomura in disguise.

especially the part that chi might just be kairi's MoM exam, at least part of it. By the time III rolls around, hopefully she'll be done and will be more important.

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The biggest problem I have here is that Yen Sid said the journey to the Sleeping Realm isn't how the Mark of Mastery is usually done. Given the trouble it caused, I don't think he'd ever send a student back there. Not to mention, there's not much of a Sleeping Realm left to go to. The implication was kind of that those worlds stuck there were the only ones there and that's why the Dream Eaters were all in Traverse Town, the Town stayed behind despite being released because it was needed there. All the Keyholes were unlocked.

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Well traverse town is a home for people without homes, and TWTNW was able to exist simultaneously in both realms of light and sleep so why not? Of course, TWTNW doesn't exactly exist but perhaps TT doesn't either? Maybe its the soul to EOTW's heartless and TWTNW' nobody.

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I always felt she should be 2nd in command in the group (in this scenario Riku/Mickey go their own way for plot reasons) so we'll get Kairi learning to wield and interacting more with Sora and more importantly Kairi actually being an active participant in the story. I swear there have been more scenes that reminiscence about Kairi than they were actual scenes that Kairi speaks in.

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What should she do? Something. Anything. Pleeeeeaaase, just let her have a significant role. Ideally, a playable one, but even if that doesn't happen, let her have an actual arc. If Riku can have one in every game, surely she's entitled to at least one.

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She needs to be important, yes, but I don't want anyone playable for sora's game except sora. She and lea should team up as a ginger duo and learn how to wield keyblades together while protecting their own princesses.

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I just want her to be something else than just an annyoing princess who cant do anything herself. She needs more development, hope it's not too late yet. I think she's getting an important role in KH III. And please Square Enix, we don't want her to be The Princess Who Sora Gotta Rescue. Maybe then I'll like her, so far she's been just The Annyoing Can't Do Anything Help Me-princess.

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Hmm I've made a minor edit concerning the phrases:

The darkness awakens
the light in the darkness
leads to the last key.

Initially I thought it was referring to one person but the cutscene was organized in such a way that I realized it's talking about three people but leading to one of them which are Xehanort, Aqua, and Kairi.

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Nice revelation, lol I thought it meant one person too until I read it a couple times. It makes sense, but what role does aqua play besides waiting to be saved and being a GoL?

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Same lol. When the phrases appear, the respective characters appear after it. Aqua is the only person that is able to navigate Castle Oblivion and find Ventus; whom could be the other key.

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Oh okay. I was thinking, I dunno, maybe kairi is the last line of defense or something? Lol, whatever the case we'll find out soon enough.

(maybe kairi unlocks the memories to finding ventus or something? Just a thought.)

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I'll be that guy and say that I hope Kairi stays in the background however unlikely that seems at this point. Suddenly making this character whose been around since the beginning and has done next to nothing SUPER IMPORTANT feels really forced, that's how I felt about 3D's secret ending. KH3 will have so many characters, and not a lot of time, and I'd hate for precious screen time to be used trying to save Kairi from whatever character development hell she's in, especially considering 3D's secret ending "trying to fix it" will probably translate to shoving her in our faces.

You dun fiddled it up, the end of the saga ain't no time to try and fix it.


To the poster above, you really only need Aqua and Sora to wake up Ventus so eh.

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^ nah, not entirely true.

Having replayed Kingdom Hearts 2, you can't really say she doesn't do anything (referring to the scene where she gets a Keyblade and actually outright says that she wants to help). I mean, if you go back and look at her actions throughout the series it's not so much that she's a weak character and can't/don't wants to do anything, but more so that she doesn't get a chance to because the villains clearly know her worth. Granted, the execution is far from great, but she definitely is a character that wants to help (let's not forget she's the one that brought Sora back to his original self), so if she gets a chance, who knows what'll come out of it?

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Riku and Roxas were both playable in KH2.

I would prefer Kairi having a full game to herself, but with BBS2 no longer a thing, who knows when that opportunity could happen?



Not a lot of time? This isn't a 2 hour movie. Besides, it doesn't take that much time to jump-start a character's development. And like it or not, she is still the main heroine, which automatically makes her important, not even including the PoH factor. The fact that the writers haven't known what to do with her doesn't change that.



I think you're being very generous to the writers... >_>

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Kairi gas time for development but they can't relegate it to her spending half of the game before she's useful.

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Interesting observation. Makes me wonder if Aqua has a larger role to play in KH3. We know Kairi and Xehanort have large roles but it would be interesting to see how Aqua ties into the story for KH3 in this new light aside from being rescued and reuniting with Terra and Ventus.

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Well she'll need to save ventus, as only she can navigate CO for starters, unless that's why we see sora with Master Keeper in the announcement trailer, so he can unlock it (skeleton keys are handy like that rofl), and she might be integral for snapping terra out of xehanort's control.

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Nomura's said a few times that there are other Sleeping Worlds than the ones we see in KH3D. The Realm housed more than just seven or so worlds, it's just that Sora and Riku only needed to unlock seven keyholes for their exam/to gain new power. So there is still more to be seen in the RoS, but, I agree that I don't think Yen Sid would send Kairi there after the events of KH3D for her hypothetical exam.


But, I also don't think the secret ending suggests that Kairi is about to take her MoM either. Yen Sid's wording is pretty particular. He doesn't call her another Keyblade wielder, he says "I have come to learn that you, too, can wield a Keyblade". Given how we know she has the ability to wield the Keyblade, yet there is no evidence that she is able to summon one yet (or that one has chosen her), at the present time I think it seems more likely to suggest that she is in a similar position as to where Lea was in KH3D. He had the ability to use a Keyblade, but it wasn't until the very end that one had even chosen him. Kairi is definitely not at a position to take the MoM this soon. I think the more likely scenario is that she and Lea will both be considered newly apprentice Keyblade wielders in KH3.

That being said, I definitely think the game has gone out of its way to set up that Kairi will be a key player in KH3. I just hope it's more than just a retread of a motivational tool for Sora and Riku like in past games. IT's my secret hope that Kairi will be the one to end MX for good, haha.

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Kairi should undoubtedly have a key role in bringing about the downfall of xehanort, but i wholly believe sora should be the one to land the final blow/be the most responsible for it.

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Hmm I can agree with that actually. Like Ventus, he didn't partake in the Mark of Mastery with Terra and Aqua. So Ventus, Lea, and Kairi are all in the same position where they're not skilled enough but they are enough to be apprentices in training.

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Well it is a bit different. Ven ventured to several worlds where he became well versed with the keyblade, lea has had plenty of battle experience working for the organization, however, he knows nothing about wielding a keyblade. Lastly is kairi, who has had no training or fighting except for the one scene where she off-screen fought a large group of shadows in II, where sora said she fought well. Although I believe her pure heart of light and heart spending time soaking up sora's brawling memories. Lets not forget she probably practice fought wakka, tidus and selphie on destiny islands but that is as amateur as anything.

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I just hope she's playable ish all. If not, I will be rather upset. :o

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I can kinda see the opening of the game being from Kairi's point of view, like Roxas' prologue in II. And it can end with some kind of revelation leading to the rest of the game. THis prologue would cover Kairi's Mark of Mastery exam, or part of it anyway.

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Well Nomura did say the game would begin in an unexpected place, so lets expect everything except what we want to happen.

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Never said there weren't any issues, though. But I do think people give that particular character a bit too much shit, since she has done stuff only she can do. They've set her up interestingly as a pretty unique Keyblade Wielder, now they just need to tap into that. So just call me cautiously optimistic.

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While I agree with you, they haven't inspired much faith. The character would really need to get turned around and given a reasonable amount of screen time. Kairi is a double-edged sword and they would be fools not to take advantage of that.

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What I want to happen with her is written in this post I made on Tumblr: In Which a Writer Talks About Writing... Or Not..

I also feel like the Rebirth theory will also probably come in to play with her, as well as with most everything else.

Anyway, as for KHIII, I think it's pretty clear that Kairi's going to be one of the Seven Lights. And for many games now, Kairi's wanted to help out but has sadly been sidelined, so I feel like she's finally going to have had enough here (maybe to certain people's chagrin), and will be willing to put her life on the line for what's right/people she loves.

Who knows? Maybe she'll actually end up saving her boys a few times this time (and I especially hope that KHIII develops her relationship with Riku some).

Or maybe she could square off against Maleficent, or something?

I used to have the theory, too, that Kairi's the one kink in Xehanort's plan. He either needs the Seven PoH or the Seven Guardians of Light to recreate the X-Blade (and Kairi's number seven in both of those), so maybe if she didn't fight, the Darknesses could never succeed , but I'm pretty sure this idea isn't how it'll work at all.

I'm also hoping we see her interact with some of the PoH some, as she is one herself. Maybe they can defend some things together, or she can be the voice of reason telling Snow White--for example--to come away from the Dwarf Woodlands, and to find safety at Yen Sid's tower for the time being?

Some scenes between her, Aqua, Naminé , and Xion would also be cool. I especially kind of want to see Kai and Nami go through what Sora and Rox did in Re:Coded (and somewhat DDD), where Roxas chose to show Sora all his memories, and then Sora decides to bear them for him.

Kairi also being against the Nobodies sacrificing their existences for their Others would also be nice...

Just Kairi/Naminé interaction at all would be a major win-win for me.

And I'm really praying, too, that they'll explore Kairi having issues hurting evil people, but coming to the realization that maybe she sometimes has to do that in order to defend others.

And though this isn't really plot points per se, I do want to see Kairi and Roxas finally meeting face to face, her getting to go back and see the Twilight Town gang again, and Mickey telling her that he actually met her in BbS.

...I guess there's also the idea of: "What if all the trios are connected somehow, and therefore Xehanort and Eraqus once had a "Kairi" in their own group?", which might be interesting to see (if Kairi's connected to Xehanort and Eraqus' third possible comrade, that is). Though personally, I feel like this idea is a bit TOO cliché, and I really don't want Xehanort and Eraqus to have had a two boy-to-one girl ratio thing going on.

Oh! And her going back to Radiant Garden, and asking about her Grandma there, and meeting the Restoration Committee again and helping out...

Well, it would just be great! Kairi seeing other worlds in general--and making new friends in them--would actually be to die for, imo.

And Speaking of other worlds... I want to know just how much she was aware during her time in Sora's heart in KH1, and if maybe she even met Ven then briefly.

[strike]And Sora had better finally take her flying in Neverland in this game.

And for pure fanservice-y things on my part, I want Kairi to meet the Shibuya gang and become BFFs with Shiki.[/strike]

Okay, I'm done now.

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Yep. I'll put it this way: it's an interesting, full-of-potential yet poorly handled character. But they now have the opportunity to take full advantage of who she is as a character, so we can only hope they do to a certain extent.

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[strike]yen sid may have been the kairi of the group tbh[/strike]

I don't like the idea of cycles, that is some serious anime cliche that I'd like to avoid. But kairi should truly visit radiant garden again, and not as a kidnapping this time. I have been wondering where kairi's grandma has been but she may have died. [strike]wouldn't it be some shit if KG was the female of MX and eraqus' group? I would throw my controller.[/strike]

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I agree with you king_mickey rule about everything. Kairi IS a poorly utilized character, but I do think that that can change for the better (and I don't think all of her neglect was intentional by the writers, either), and she's actually done a lot more than people seem to think. Like, this is a list I made about all her contributions to the series all a while back: [Image] When it comes to Kairi.....this is me and Javelin xD - Random - KH13.com Forum - KH13.com, for Kingdom Hearts (Go to the ninth post on the page link, if you want to see it: it's the long "AnHeiressofaSoldier" one.)

Also, after this theory http://forums.khinsider.com/kingdom-hearts-iii/203283-duh-riku-kairi-kairis-keyblade.html about the "Delivery Boy Principle", as Tinny so smartly calls it, I'm not so sure that Destiny's Embrace isn't Kai's Keyblade. Sora does imagine her wielding it in his "My friends are my power" speech in KH3D, so that seems to hint to me that it truly is hers, and that she will be starting III in a place better than Lea himself did with his Keyblade in DDD.

Also, as someone said on the last page, I would LOVE it if Kairi was the tutorial character for this game (it would make so much sense and be a nice little parallel, too!), but sadly I feel like the opening to KHIII's going to be all about young!Xehanort, so alas. I'm not giving up hope yet, though!:D

And I forgot to mention in my previous post that I think Kairi's arch-enemy for III will end up being Braig. I could get into detail about why I think this, if someone wants me to, but as I've all ready posted enough here for now, I'll just clam up about it for now. LOL.

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Braig for kairi? It sounds a little strange, could you explain why you think that?

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Beats me, I would choose Vanitas as her arch enemy/rival:

He's connected to Sora and Ven

A possible 13th Darkness

Cryptic and would put anyone even Kairi astray from trust even to the final seat (Sora(?)

Someone close to her novice age (her age, not skill age)

Unless Braig took Kairi from her grandma during the day the Heartless invadeded her home, he's no relation to her story wise,

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Yeah, probably vanitas makes more sense. Not to mention, he will almost certainly be a darkness (yellow eyes and that jazz), I can see that happening.

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Do you honestly think the whole ~30 hours of the game is going to be story? Like you said, it's a game, not a movie, 2 hours worth of cutscenes is being generous. Is that enough time to show off Kairi? Yes, but then again we have ~10 OTHER main characters who need development and I'd rather see that time used for these other more interesting characters. You just explained why she's a horrible character lol, she isn't relevant because of what she does, she's "important" because of what she is. She's a plot device, a macguffin, a deus ex machina, not what I'd call "main heroine".

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She's only an terrible character because she lacks development. Also, DDD was 40+ hours with four hours of cutscenes and I can guarantee III will be a hell of a lot longer. They also have the journal and reports to flesh out the back-stories, and they can have interludes and breaks from the actin to focus on what's happening elsewhere. Segments where you can play as kairi and other characters (at the same level and moveset as sora though, to not deter you from progressing) can go leagues in the right direction, especially if they implement background dialogue like in FFXV.

I used to hate kairi too, but only because she is so underdeveloped. She has potential to be an amazing character, but she needs to be taken advantage of (not like that).

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I'm not sure I understand, which characters deserve more screen time than Kairi? Sora and Riku, fine that'll happen. Then who is more pressing than Kairi? Terra's probably not coming around until later, Lea had a lot of development in 3D and doesn't need to hog the screen now. Ven's a bit impaired, as are Roxas and Xion. When KH III starts, you've got a limited set of characters straight out the gate who are ready for screen time, and the way 3D ended set Kairi up the most for her spotlight.

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^this post right here. Kairi needs screen time, she is sorely under displayed for such an important character, and arguing that she shouldn't get any because she is a useless character is contradictory of itself.

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This would be really interesting especially since Vanitas takes on the appearance of Sora.

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I'm curious to see what kind of fighting style Kairi will use in combat. We sort of saw her fighting stance in KH3D where she was holding her Keyblade in both hands.

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Well she was still inexperienced after all, so maybe she will become more comfortable and wield it in only one hand, or it might be her fighting style. It'll be interesting to see nonetheless, and if she fights more like another wielder.

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I wonder if we'll get to play as her as a sort of a beginning chapter like with Roxas in KH2?

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I wouldn't worry too much about Kairi's limited fighting experiance hindering her. I came up with a theory once that Yen Sid would have Kairi train in the time compressed room that Lea trained in. It makes way too much sense for her to use it since she could get years worth of training in the span of a few days. She'll catch up with Sora and Riku in no time

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A quick google search reveals the total length of KH2's cutscenes to be over 10 hours, so no. It's ample time. Also, you have in game dialogues, and even gameplay itself to advance character.

You just explained why she's a horrible character lol, she isn't relevant because of what she does, she's "important" because of what she is. She's a plot device, a macguffin, a deus ex machina, not what I'd call "main heroine".

Then she's a poorly utilized main heroine but a main heroine all the same. That's how she was presented in the first game and no one else has taken that role from her since. She may have been mostly a plot device in the past, but I sure don't want the game to settle for that crap anymore. Like chuman alluded to, not with her potential.



Yup.



Why years? Sora and Riku have had one year of all this, not multiple. And people don't seem to consider that KH1 Sora took out a giant Darkside at the very beginning of the game. No one worried themselves about his lack of combat experience being unrealistic back then, not even a short time later when he was defeating much more lethal Disney and Heartless enemies.

At the very least, with the offscreen training Kairi apparently did between KH1 and 2, she should already have no trouble with a Darkside or similar foes.

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Well technically sora has done a year of sleeping while riku has done a year of fighting, lol, but yeah, kairi should be more than sufficient for battle. And as unrealistic as it is, the trio did do lots of practice fighting and training on destiny islands, whether or not they showed kairi fighting I almost guarantee she did. And there is that theory that experience is passed down from keyblade to keyblade so maybe the one she wielded in kh2 that aqua had beforehand gave her mad skills.

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I know the conversation is mostly about Kairi being a "valuable character," but I want to keep things simple. I personally want to see a little bit of romance with her and Sora. I am not talking about the game focusing on it by any means, but some quick lines and cute scenes between the two of them. Kairi trying to give subtle hints and Sora whiffing on them completely could give some chuckles.

I also want Kairi to be more important like this conversation is about, but I would like to see some romance with her as well.

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Here are the transcriptions for Kairi's Grandmother's story, Yen Sid's dialogue, and the conversation between Young Xehanort and Young Eraqus. I've highlighted parts that seem similar. I'm not really sure if the divided χ-blade and divided worlds are connected to each other but it could be.

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Wow. There sure is a lot of accidental foreshadowing here. Good work zephi! This almost makes me wonder if Nomura may have had some idea of where he wanted to take the keyblade war backstory, or if he just made some foreshadowing and said "I can go somewhere with this, *laughs*"

probably the latter.

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Yeah, it looks like he was building off of the story and slowly adding more details that wasn't mentioned before. I think the sentence that stood out to me the most was:

"Your heart will shine with its power and push the darkness away."

And Kairi's heart is pure light and not just any kind of normal heart.

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Yes, this. Absolutely this. Please let kairi try to flirt with sora & him totally missing it.

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No, I don't want that, besides, getting tired of the oblivious card in guys or people forcing the card.

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Oh, so I am not the only one who noticed that apparently every thread/topic that is predominantly about Kairi has to somehow teeter back into the romance/shipping territory!?

It does really not cast a favorable light on Kairi's overall role in the series if the most prominent, and most often brought back topic about her is her being the supposed "love interest" of the main male protagonist...

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You're not the only one, it won't help Kairi's character if she's romantically involved or Sora and Kairi are a thing. I know people want that and I've seen it, multiple times, but no, unless their interaction is strong, their relationship would just be be forced and make Kairi even more hated, and we're not just talking about how people viewed her character, but the pairings.

And I don't know why, but the idea of Sora thinking of Kairi's body just kills the relationship because Sora isn't like that at all. And Kairi might like Sora but as a friend or as a brother.

(If you want to know what I referring to, ask in PMs)

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It would also be cool if Kairi could end up being the smart one of the trio, or something like that (and maybe even smarter than people like Roxas, for example, who never had the chance to go to school at all).

And it would make sense, imo, seeing as how she's the only one out of the main, original characters who's been going to school regularly. (She was also the one to take charge on who got what for the raft, and that sort of thing, and thinks that "Sora's completely hopeless without her and Riku", etc.)

It doesn't need to be anything over the top, like with Hermione or Topanga--as Riku, too, is obviously very intelligent (and it would be cool if the two of them could actually bond over something like that)--but maybe with subtle things, instead.

Maybe she knows the meanings to bigger words that someone like Sora doesn't.

Or maybe she just has the foresight to provide a first and last name for herself to someone like Neku Sakuraba (even if maybe she is making up the last name part), instead of freaking out about Neku's "mouthful of a name" like Sora did.

Maybe she'd be clever enough to blend into worlds and protect the World Order better than everyone else does, I mean.

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Now I really want to see Vanitas and Kairi interact. Kairi getting her feathers ruffled over him taunting her with her best friend's face would be interesting to see.


I agree with everyone so far who has said she has not been utilized properly but has potential. It would certainly feel forced if she suddenly gained major plot relevance/was in a romantic relationship without prior development. If she could get some sort of character development through interactions with Lea or the villains or whoever it is, her being much more important in these aspects might not feel so unnatural. Of course that's assuming any interactions with her are done right from the get-go, which I wouldn't put any money on. But I'm going to be optimistic and hope they push her character along before she does anything that has a large impact on the story. Her helping with (but not being the main instigator of) the saving that needs to be done could be beneficial to her, though unless it's a part of her training I don't know how she'll train at the same time.

Actually, her training with Lea could kill two birds with one stone. We could see how she reacts to an ex-Nobody and kidnapper and see her maybe better understand the plight of the "hurting," along with the fact that she looks like Xion. If Lea doesn't remember already, that could jumpstart his memory of her.

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I finally got to reading this, Zephy, good job on the article! Hopefully Kairi will be used more effectively in KH3, since she barely appeared the the past games. Going by your writing, though, it seems like she will have an important role.

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I don't mind Kairi and Sora being together as long as Kairi's developed more first, it's not the main focus of the story or over the top, and Sora and Kairi's friendship also has more light shed onto it (maybe with them bonding over how they both became Keyblade wielders by accident, and things like that).

Also, I don't get why people think that if Sora and Kairi get together it has to all be touchy-feely, lovey-dovey, over the top butt touching stuff (not that Disney would ever allow that, but you know what I mean). They can be together without all of that, guys. Asexuality does exist. You can love someone--and be in a relationship with them--without it having to be physical.

As someone who is asexual, the lack of representation for it in our media--and the fact that some people seem to think that it can be a thing--really grinds my gears.

And I could easily see Sora and Kairi being aseuxal, if Nomura chose to go that way with the narrative, so you really don't have to necessarily worry about them making out all the time, maybe. -rant over-

Anyway, moving onto other things, I'm actually hoping that KHIII has something like the Active Time Events that FFIX did. I think the game could really benefit from something like that, and that it could easily help shed some light on other things and character stories that are simultaneously going on, like maybe with Kairi's own story.

Actually, as far as I'm concerned, this is a must for KHIII, as KHII truly suffered from not having important things in the spotlight like it should have.

@duchessa Really like the idea of Kairi jump-starting Xion's memory in Lea's heart, and some of the other things you said. It would be really great to see something like that:D

And as for why I think Braig might end up being Kairi's arch-enemy in III, here are some of my reasons:

A. There's a strong chance that Braig was there and involved in it when Xehanort cast her out into The Lanes Between as a child, to test his theory "about the Keyblade and Princesses being connected to each other".

B. He was one of the ones who kept her trapped in The Castle That Never Was.

C. Right when she was finally getting close to seeing Sora, Donald, and Goofy again, Braig attacked them--when they were all ready having to deal with Shadows--right in front of her and got in her way (and the manga, though not canon, goes into even more adversity between them there).

D. I can just see Braig making a scathing comment about how everyone else gets paired with someone they have a history with, and that he's stuck with the newbie. Either that, or maybe he'll actually target her for that reason--as he's learned "not to mess with Keyblade wielders"--because he thinks he'll have less of a chance of getting injured through her. I could also see him comparing her to "Aqua Jr." for obvious reasons, and how this time he's not going to lose to the Keyblade wielding girl.

And as for Vanitas... I don't know if I want him and Kairi to face off at all, personally. (Plus, I think that he'll be the one that versus Ven.) I mean, it could be really cool, but at the same time, I just...

Even though Vanitas ISN'T Sora, he still has his face. And if Kairi's up against him, I think it'll still represent the "Kairi's story revolves around Sora and nothing else" thing that we're all hoping that KHIII will break free from. So IDK.

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When it comes to Sora and Kairi, it doesn't have to be making out (or more than a kiss at the end of the game, if they choose to go that way. I think that's all Disney would allow after all!); in my mind, true love isn't just eros (greek term for love that involves body/hormones). It's also agape (unconditional love that loves the person for what they are along with their flaws) too, especially if it's going to last.

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Kairi does need more development before any romance would be believable however. Heck, we hardly even see them hang out or learn what kinda friendship they have other than Kairi waking Sora up in KH1 (You lazy bum!) and the hug in KH2. I'd love to see that, love to see them explore the friendship a bit more to build up to any kissing or anything romance-y. ^^

But yeah, I think there's not going to be any serious making out other than some hugging or a kiss if they go the route of "Sora gets Kairi" in the end. Disney wouldn't allow it tho since I was raised on Disney, I know kissin' happens in the movies, so that could show up. Just I hope Kairi gets enough development that when they end up kissin' it's believable.

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@maryadavies nah, soriku is definitely going to be the hot item for III. You heard it here first.

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^ Never going to happen. :)

Kairi can still be developed as a character regardless of what happens with Sora. To automatically write her off because she and Sora become an item is a little baseless, especially since the story has already had a few hints at the prospect (which is why people are clamoring for it).

More people would be upset if they left Sora/Kairi hanging than people who are upset with shipping them together.

There is a right way and a wrong way to do things. Of course if they force it, it will not be as good, but they could also do it correctly. KH3 will be a long game.

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Sounds like what going on with Satoshi and Serena, but instead of real development that's not being forced by it's fans, it's how many people will be made if they aren't together or go as far to take VERY dramatic measures if they aren't together.

To another post, what does Braig have to do with Kairi?

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Who ??????

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Pokemon the series XY, Ash and Serena. They are a ship going on with no development that isn't the fans making hints out of thin air.

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lol, Ash never goes for the girl though. He has had multiple cute girls with him over the years and nothing ever happens. Pokemon has never had a love story from what I remember (admittedly, I have not been up to date with the most recent products).

If the Kairi/Sora relationship is not handled in KH3, people will be upset and expect something in the next saga. The only exception to that is if KH3 comes out and says there is no romantic feelings between the two, just friends (I dont see that happening). People will still be upset, but they will not expect anything in the next saga.

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At least it won't help when looking at the current overall status of Kairi's character.
Even if it would not be forced and executed well, the rabid shippers who do not ship Sora/Kairi would still spew hate around, be it because it isn't their favorite pairing or maybe because they go again with the totally cliché and done to death variant of main male hero and main female heroine being officially put together.
On the flip side, rabid Sora/Kairi shippers would get even more obnoxious and condescending because their ship became "canon" and look down on the other proposed pairings in one way or another.
No matter what, the shipping wars are something that apparently cannot be prevented in a work with any sizeable fandom.

Even the current situation in which everything is open to interpretation, which for me personally is the best solution, people can't shut up about all the shipping stuff because they want their pairing validated and apparently cannot bear that things are left open for personal interpretations.
It may just be personal observation, but I noticed that especially Sora/Kairi-shippers are often prominent in this group.

(sarcasm mode ON)
Nope, Kairi and Sora obviously cannot like each other like friends or siblings because they're of different genders, it MUST be romantic!
Riku and Sora though, obviously MUST be friends or sibling-like because they're the same gender.
(sarcasm mode OFF)



I really don't see however why Vanitas would have any interest in Kairi whatever except maybe delivering her to Xehanort on given orders, considering how fixated he is on Ventus in general.
People also tend to put way too much emphasis on Vanitas' appearance being similar to Sora. That case isn't like Roxas and Ventus where only the eyebrows differ, Vanitas can easily be distinguished from Sora with one quick glance not only by hair- and eye-color, but also by his much paler skin and more muscular physique.
So Kairi would have no problem to decide: brown hair/blue eyes = hug, black hair/golden eyes = punch to the face.

Kairi certainly has potential, the primary issue with her is definitely that she needs to be properly included with the main group of the other major characters and in the overall storyline in a role that isn't just a trophy or plot device for Sora.
Right now, Kairi is better integrated with Selphie and the Twilight Town trio than her supposed two main best friends, the main Disney characters and the other two trios.
Yea, she has some brief interactions with Naminé and Riku during KH 2, but that is far cry from a true inclusion in the core cast.

Lea would be indeed a good starting point, especially due to their personal experiences and the facts that Kairi did have contact with Roxas and Naminé personally.
As for memories of Xion though, if jumpstarting people's memories of her would be that easy, I doubt they would have made such a big deal about everyone forgetting her.



Yea, because the hints at that prospect obviously cannot be interpreted just as the ones Sora had with Kairi because of incompatible genders, right?

Err, it's not really about writing Kairi off but about that doing it like that would just relegate her to another cliché role in the greater context of the series as a whole.
Much critic towards her as a character besides being underutilized also pertain to the fact that so far she only filled out typical cliché roles for female lead characters in fictional works in general.
Making her and Sora a thing would just lead to reviews like "I knew it, she's just there to be the obligatory love interest of the main male lead".
Lol, yea, people are clamoring for multitudes of different pairings where there can be quite a few hints for inside the story depending on how you interpret it. Some may be more blatant and "in-your-face" than others, but that doesn't make one claim more legit than another.

Just to make it clear though in case there's a misunderstanding: I am not fundamentally against Sora and Kairi as a pairing, I do however not understand why it HAS to be made explicit and official. The arguments brought forth for Sora/Kairi do not really differ in essence to those that can be made for any other pairing among the cast regardless of gender-combination.
I personally certainly would prefer if ALL romance-related things between original characters remain open to interpretation of the audience. I don't see why Sora and Kairi need to be an exception to that.

That statement is really interchangeable for every shipper out under the sun, that more people would be upset if pairing XY isn't addressed as there are people who are upset with pairing XY being addressed.
I'll take a wild guess that regardless of what KH III ultimatively shows, there will be rage from all parts of the shipping fandom for whatever pairing didn't get enough hints or "fluffy/heartwarming etc." scenes together to fuel more shipping fantasies.

They could, you know, also simply keep things as they are and spare themselves the trouble even if that upsets some rabid shippers.



You make it sound like that KH III has some obligation to explicitly state that the feelings between Sora and Kairi are not something romantic. So far KH has done that with none of its major original characters. The relationships between all the main original characters have been left open to interpretation throughout the whole series, so why is it that this has to be changed just in the case of Sora and Kairi?
Because for some people the hints regarding their relationship have been more "intense" than for other pairings?
Because some people cannot break out from the usual main male + main female = love story line of thought?
Because every series/work has to have a normal romance between main characters somewhere?
Or is it because people want to see any possible non-heteronormative ships for the main protagonist canonically squashed because it irks them that Sora might not be the usual white, straight male?
What if they decide to go a totally different route and let Sora get together with a totally different female, like i.e. one of the female Foretellers or someone introduced in the new saga (regardless which gender), invalidating all the hints from previous games for ALL Sora ships, those with Kairi being explained away by just Sora having a childhood crush?
Shippers explode in rage and boycot KH because the protagonist didn't get together with the person they wanted?

While we're at it, relating to the example of Sora being asexual given above, what if it would really be that way? What if Sora doesn't need/want to be in a monogamous romantic relationship with anyone or to place one person above the others he loves?
Heck, what if Sora is actually secretly a bisexual or asexual and polyamorous person who doesn't want to decide between Kairi and Riku but wants them both equally?
Or going back to the character the topic is about, what if these things would all apply to Kairi? What if, for example, the thing Kairi actually loves so much about Sora is his heart? And, thinking further, during the course of KH III Kairi comes to learn and experience that i.e. Ventus has a heart very similar and she develops also intense feelings for this one?
Or, riding on the Kairi/Vanitas wave, what if out of all the good original characters, Kairi is the only one to realize that (maybe) Vanitas is on the inside more than just a violent monster who enjoys inflicting pain on others and over the course of KH III's plot she eventually develops a liking to him?
Contemplating about these things can also be part of the charm of having not any official and definitive statements regarding the issue of relationships between characters.

[strike]Goddamnit...no, did I really write a whole paragraph just about all this shipping stuff and derailed the thread...argh[/strike]

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This. I like this, I like you, and I like your way of thinking. Keeping it open allows everyone to feel like their ship has a chance, right? leaving no true answer to what's what. It's a pretty perfect way to go about things. It's been working pretty well so far, so I see no reason to close things off with one definitive conclusion that makes it mandatory for any two characters to be together. Let people pair how they like and leave it open for everyone. And by the way, you have a very high devotion to your opinion. Good stuff, sir Sephiroth0812.

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I now want a scene where no one can tell the two apart and Sora and Vanitas are all "oh, come on! Seriously?!"

[strike]Goddamnit...no, did I really write a whole paragraph just about all this shipping stuff and derailed the thread...argh[/strike]

XD
I've been avoiding this thread because I couldn't think of anything to say that didn't involve her and Sora. lol
I feel bad for Kairi. She's never had much screen time and what screen time she's had often have to do with Sora. You have KHI and CoM do a good job on their relationship, but in KHII, Kairi's entire character amounts to "she thinks about Sora a lot."

I'm fine with however her character and her relationships with others is done as long as it's done good.
I've never understood shipping. Correction, I understand shipping but I don't understand why some people get so obsessed over something that's just a silly thing to do when bored.

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The relationships between all the main original characters have been left open to interpretation throughout the whole series, so why is it that this has to be changed [I]just in the case of Sora and Kairi? [/I]

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You make some good points. However, I never really thought Sora's crush was ambiguous. With all due respect, I always thought Sora's Crush on Kairi was pretty obvious but (like you said) maybe it's just the way I interpreted the game.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong but the paopu fruit seems to be a symbol of Sora/Kairi's romantic interest in one another. Or at least it was a symbol of how they wanted to be together forever (which still sounds pretty romantic considering how the paopu fruit is only shared by two people).
The only reason I think they should mention Sora/Kairi in KH 3 is because it's a plot point (via my paopu fruit example and a couple others) thats been brought up in the game and like any other plot point it should be concluded or resolved.

But I do agree with everyone who says that Sora and Kairi should develop their friendship better before they do anything else. [/I][/I]

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[I][I]You make some good points. However, I never really thought Sora's crush was ambiguous. With all due respect, I always thought it was pretty obvious but (like you said) maybe it's just the way I interpreted the game. [/I][/I]

I'm a bit confused as to how you feel that it was ambiguous. From the very beginning they've been alluding to Sora having a crush on Kairi; starting with the poupu. From the way the item is handled and talked about, you can tell that it is a symbol of sharing your life with someone. Aqua was oblivious to the cultural norms of Destiny Islands as she's not from there; however, anyone who is from there would know that item stands for.

Next, there's Sora's return. Every archetype of "beauty and the beast" ever written ever feeds off of the heavily implied "Joanie loves Chachi" moe bullshit radiating from Sora and Kairi. (psst, Sora's Joanie) He's "hurting" and brooding, but he's following baser instincts, while somewhat still holding on to his sense of self. It was only Kairi who could bring him back from the edge; Donald opting to send him to oblivion.

We see from the ending of Kingdom Hearts 1, that Kairi is at least responsive to the affection between them; just crying at the very thought of him.

Kingdom Hearts 2 gives us the scenes where Sora was spinning in a circle with her playfully and the scene between him and Goofy. Granted, Sora could have spun in circles with everyone (as Friendship whores often do), but there's no point in mentioning it if there wasn't any relevance to the overall theme of SoKai. With Goofy saying "I bet I know who you're thinking about", it's practically confirmed. I understand that a large portion of the series requires WoG confirmation, but SoKai is one of those things where the game itself is telling the story. (Like a story driven video game should :D)

But hey, that's just a theory.....

I now want a scene where no one can tell the two apart and Sora and Vanitas are all "oh, come on! Seriously?!"

Oh Kingdom Hearts yes.

Me personally, I want Kairi to take on more of an Aqua-like role at first, and then falling into a villain's role.

Nope, Kairi and Sora obviously cannot like each other like friends or siblings because they're of different genders, it MUST be romantic!

Even though you're being sarcastic here, they could, but unlikely given what we see. Theming is pretty important in the series. This series has followed trends from the very beginning; ignoring them now would be asinine.

Riku and Sora though, obviously MUST be friends or sibling-like because they're the same gender.

Personally, this is what I'm hoping for. Sora choosing Riku over Kairi, which sets her on the path of "righteousness", leading into what I was hoping for her. I think Kairi has the potential to become a very powerful villain.

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I'm a bit confused as to how you feel that it was ambiguous.

Wait, what? I said I DONT think its ambiguous. I think you misread my response. I'll edit it just to make it a little clearer.
But yeah, I agree with examples you gave as to why Sora/Kairi isn't ambiguous.

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[prepares to take bold statement out of context for the sake of comedy by entering sarcasm mode]

Wait a minute, Sephy, I have black hair. If I had gold eyes on top of that, are you saying that teenage girls with red hair have a right to punch me in the face?! O_o What are you trying to tell me?!

[exits of sarcasm mode]

In all seriousness, I completely agree that Kairi has a lot of potential, but it's all in how she is introduced into the cadre of main plot important characters. The biggest problem revolving her character (aside from the fact that the writers haven't bothered giving her much, if any, character) is that she is more of a walking plot device with a bunch of titles that are important to the story, but have done little with her personally or how it has effected her personally. She is never really given much screentime with the others. She has the power to communicate with Sora through her heart, but they almost never use this form of communication even when apart. If they could have at least had her doing that with Sora (and Riku, if possible, which I'm sure it is because "LOL, Princess of Heart Powahs!" helping her do so), that alone would have only led to giving her the groundwork for her to have even a small semblance of relevance come III.

Come to think of it, now I really wish that Dream Drop Distance had some scenes of her trying to reach them, but always doing so when asleep (and occasionally stumbling onto Roxas when trying to communicate with Sora).



Welp, if the writers are fired and they hired the guys in charge of Sonic Adventure 2's story, then that scenario will definitely happen. Sonic and Shadow are SO alike, right? XD

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It has nothing to do with the writers 'not bothering' with Kairi, it's just all the focus was he two leads Sora and Riku. They were somewhat rivals, they followed different paths during the first games, Kairi was their goal in different means to reach it, Kairi was Sora's imorant meory, why Xion has Kairi's face, it was hearing Namine as Kairi that saved Riku in Chain of Memories, it was the one person both wanted to save during Kingdom Hearts 2. To say they didn't bother with her is a complete exaggeration, because if that's true, Kairi would have been written off a long time ago, not even Namine or Xion would even exist.

And no to Kairi being forced into Dream Drop Distance, the game was about Riku's character coming full circle and Sora's pwn issues that lead him into Xehanort's hands, forcing Kairi in would only hurt her character, at least she has one. Her a big surprise in the Secret ending was find enough has a big role along with Lea and the 7 Lights.

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I suppose I'm just interested in seeing an interaction between them to see if Kairi would get angry for whatever reason, since he is good at pissing people off and at least has Sora's face and semblance. But you're right, there's not a ton of rhyme or reason to a meeting between them as it stands other than their physical similarities and the fact that I'm curious.

Man, they could have gone far with Kairi, especially in II since she could move between worlds one way or another and be more involved. I do enjoy how Amano handled her, though.

Whatever happens, her and Lea training would definitely be good for Kairi's character at the least. Too bad they didn't cover more of what happened behind the scenes in the novels and manga between Axel and Kairi (and Saïx), it would have been nice to see references to that. Assuming it also happened off screen in the game.

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@chuman I don't want someone connected to Kairi to be the girl in Yen Sid and Eraqus' trio, either. I just brought it up because I've seen it talked about before, and with how Nomura loves trios and connections... Well, it sadly is a possibility.

And actually, I have seen Kairi's grandmother as that person IN some of the theories. XD Fortunately, I don't think that will end up being the case, though, seeing as how Nomura doesn't like to do a lot with family relations.

...Plus, if any new past thing ends up getting put into play in KHIII, I think it'll be the Rebirth theory--which I really love and am so excited to maybe see. Hooza!

Also... I'm really hoping that KHIII ends up investigating some of Kairi's PoH powers: that's something I've wanted to see since day one, tbh.

Maybe her PoH powers are actually where Naminé's own came from? Or what sort of shaped them?

Oh... and seeing if Kairi can use Naminé's powers at all--while the two are still assimilated in the game--would be quite nice:)

And Kairi remembering how she was cast into the Lanes Between by Apprentice Xehanort--and how ASoD tried to kill her during KH1--is a MUST for me. Since this is all about the Lights vs. the Darknesses, this relationship between Kairi and the Norts really needs to be expanded on. Of course, that goes with people who have just been Norted--like Saïx, who kidnapped her--too.

Actually... just info on what Kairi remembers at all form KH1 (mainly from being in Sora's heart for so long) would be a godsent; I mean, DDD did hint at how ASoD kidnapped her, and brought her to the Secret Place, to lure Sora there.

Y'know... there's so much that could be done with Kairi's character. And the more I think about it, the more ecstatic I get for it... but also the more irritated I become, that none of this has been looked at before

For instance, what if Kairi being able to wield a Keyblade sort of goes against her PoH nature, and then that part of her sort of ends up rebelling against her? I'd be interested in seeing something like that. I mean, none of the other Princesses of Light are fighters, after all--and the condition in which Kairi got her Keyblade was kind of questionable--and I could see the seven being forced to have only pacifistic behaviors, maybe.

And... now there's a darker part of me that's imagining Kairi (at least temporarily) dying during the end battle, but her telling a grieving Sora and Riku that it's okay: she's so happy to have gotten to go with them, and help protect them for once. And then all those flashbacks of little Sora, Riku, and Kairi together--that we've yet to see--begin playing, and it's raw and emotional and real.

Yeah... Let's all be glad that I don't write for KH, guys. LOL. I can be a bit like Gen Urobuchi and GRRM sometimes...

And now that I think about it, I want the whole "Naminé replacing Sora's memories of Kairi" thing to come up. And not because I want it to turn into a stupid spat between them, or for it to be a dumb love triangle, but so Kairi can forgive Naminé, and tell her that she understands and it's not her fault at all.

I just basically want beautiful relationships between the female characters, that they deserve to have, but haven't really happened in this saga yet.

Seeing the villains trying to play on Kairi's insecurities (that we all know she has) would also be a great thing to help the narrative, I think.

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I would love to see a game be released before KHIII that is about Kairi and Lea undergoing their Mark of Mastery Exam together, kinda similar to Sora & Riku in DDD. That way she will be fully prepared for the events in KHIII. Plus it'd be an awesome game to play :3

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Reverse/Rebirth mode in DDDFMHD.

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I understand the desire to see that, but do we really need that game? The series is saturated to hell and back because everyone and their grandmother's nobody has a role in the story. Kairi and Axel don't really need a game; on top of the fact that Sora and Riku only recently took their MoM. They both took theirs after 2 years of fighting. Lea just got a Keyblade, but he has fighting experience; Kairi not so much.

IU, how long has it been since Kairi got her Keyblade?

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Since the World that Never Was, so not longer than Lea who just got his resently and was able to summon it.

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Exactly. Sora had to have his memories erased like 16 quintillion times and always managed to make his way back into "bad ass" territory within weeks. Riku was just always a better fighter then Sora. They've both earned their MoM Exam.

For Kairi to even have a MoM this early is a cop out. It's insulting. She'd be getting handed a free pass like every other thing in her life. She didn't earn her PoH title - which is understandable, but still. She didn't her ability to wield; she definitely didn't earn her Keyblade. I like Kairi, I just want her to be relevant to the series. Square's attempt to do so is admirable, but they're still going about it the wrong way.

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Well, from the trailers, I'm guessing that the Sora/Donald/Goofy trio will be making a return for KH3, which is nice~

So, if that's the case, I think Kairi will be in a trio with Riku and someone (since everything is always trios). Maybe Riku and Lea. Or maybe they'll find Aqua and they'll be their their. Seven isn't divisible by three, so maybe that means one of the 7 guardians of light will be off on their own somewhere, and Lea seems to have things to worry about, so probably him.

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Well, err, Sora DOES have Donald and Goofy, so if there were to be only trios, the other characters could easily build two teams consisting of three characters each, right?

Oh, and for the MoM...why? She doesn't have to be everything that could make her more of a mary sue, now does she?

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There are other options for trios, but Kairi hasn't had much time with many characters, so sticking her with Disney characters she doesn't know would seem a bit awkward. And I don't think Ven and Aqua will be free at the start of the game, so a trio with them won't come 'til later at best. So that leaves Kairi, Riku, Lea, and Mickey.

I can see Riku teaming up with Mickey again, so maybe Kairi will tag along with them in a search for Aqua. Although I can totally see Mickey disappearing on his own again.

I don't see a Mark of Mastery happening for her in-game, though. Depending on the timeskip from DDD to KH3, it may have happened by the start of the game, but I don't think that's very likely for Kairi. For Sora, maybe.

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There isn't supposed to be much of a timeskip. So it isn't likely that either of them will have become Masters. In fact, Nomura outright said that Sora would not be a Master by the time of KH 3. He wanted him to stay an ordinary boy. (This is from recent interviews, I forget which one.)

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So a Mark of Mastery is definitely not in Kairi's future for this game.

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Ahh my apologies, I may have jumped the gun with Kairi about to take the Mark of Mastery but perhaps Yen Sid will still try to train her to be a better Keyblade wielder.

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I'd love to see something like this. That way it can have more development to both characters and add in more hints of what's to come in KH3.

Also seeing as how Aqua was the only one in BBS to become a Keyblade master and doing the most work among the characters in the game I wonder if this is in a way a sign of Kairi having more to do in KH3 then what she seems to be right now? Seeing as how Aqua is meant to have ties to Kairi it would make sense if that was the case.

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If anyone, it should be Riku. He gave her her Keyblade, it should fall on him; especially since [strike]it's Aqua's fault in the first place.[/strike] Aqua's no longer around. -snicker- How unfortunate.

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i know in many many forums Kairi is often hated on for having little significance. And honestly, she always had the significance of being a "close friend of Sora" with the twist of being one of the seven lights.

Unfortunately though, i feel like many fans believe she has to play a large role in order to be a good character. Which i believe Nomura fell into this trap by making her a keyblade wielder (i also feel nomura is trying to bring all relevant characters wield a keyblade).

Kairi's character was better in KH1. she was non-intrusive, all while still being a true friend to sora. In kh2 i felt she was just in the background. She wielded a keyblade momentarily, which did not in the least excite me. But now Kairi is a keyblade wielder by a chance. Similar to Sora but in a dumber way. She just happened to touch the keyblade. Her personality just doesn't fit well with me, sure she was daring, but she wasn't "keyblade" material.

Or maybe i was hoping she would have a real role. Similar to how Leon (squall) and the gang played a good support team, i was hoping Kairi would play a strong role that didn't need the keyblade. Afterall, she is the princess of heart andhave proven to have their own abilities in KH1.

i dont know. it just bothers me that the only way to make Kairi a good character is giving her a keyblade.