Ansem vs. Xemnas

[Ansem Darkheart]

In my constant state of thinking about Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts related stuff, I came up with the ultimate Kingdom Hearts showdown. Who would win in a fight, ANSEM:thumbup: or xemnass:thumbdown: . Before you post you should know two things.

1. I dont mean Xehanort, Xemnas, or Ansem the wise( this counts DiZ, idiots ). I mean Ansem, Xehanort's Heartless, the main villain from the first game.

2. And Xemnas is purposly misspelled do to my natural bias towards Ansem.

Also, one last thing. PLEASE take into consideration the abilities, powers, and weapons they use in all their Boss fights!

They are my two favorite characters in all of KH, but I Clearly vote for ANSEM.

 

[swizzle]

if you mean xemnas, the leader of org 13, hten him, if you mean ansem, then xehenorts heartless.

 

[Iiso]

The fight starts, and its just Ansem vs Xemnas. Let's not count the fact that Nobodies are naturally stronger than Heartless... and that Xemnas has more forms... >.>;

Ansem:
- Levitation, as well as a guardian Heartless behind him.
- Can fling energy disks, form spheres around himself, an become a torpedo-like thing...
- His Heartless can do that attack where he goes underground, and shoots up...

Xemnas:
- Has a powerful shield.
- Can move around in a sphere of darkness.
- Has two energy swords.

Xemnas has it initially. Although Ansem is bringing help, Xemnas is more than capable of handling both of them. His shield would help to keep the Heartless at bay, which just leaves Ansem, who barely attack on his own... in fact, his Heartless does all the work, doesn't it?

In their transformed states.

- Ansem - Fuses with his Heartless, and becomes a giant... ship thingy with lasers, energy orbs, and other things... with a giant face at the front. Uses a giant staff...

- Xemnas - Becomes incased in armor while within his mech dragon thing. The dragon is capabe of summoning minor Nobodies, as well as firing lasers.

Who wins here? Xemnas. Why? Because he is protected within the dragon, as well as armor. Ansem is out in the open, and a rather large and easy targer. I think Ansem's form might be larger, but Xemnas' is faster and can actually move around, not to mention that fact that its presumably made of some sort of metal, as opposed to Ansem, who is just flesh... and a bunch of random Heartless stuff...

But wait... what about Xemnas' final form? Well, if he needs it, which he probably won't, then well... He'd use it I guess. Let's say that Ansem miraculously defeats the mech dragon, and Xemnas transforms again... into his final form.

Well, Xemnas has much more moving room compared to the massive Ansem. Seeing as how he's ridiculously fast, Ansem won't be able to strike him. Then there's all of Xemnas' moves at his disposal... and that thousand laser thing. All he'd have to do is use that move on the massive Ansem. Sure, he'd deflect most of the lasers, but he's far too large to not be hit by at least half of them.

In the end, Nobody > Heartless.

 

[swizzle]

^rofl, that musta took a long time for a scenerio, imagine how long it takes for them higher ups to think of these battle sequences! damn.

 

[Awesome Ansem]

The fight starts, and its just Ansem vs Xemnas. Let's not count the fact that Nobodies are naturally stronger than Heartless... and that Xemnas has more forms... >.>;

Xemnas has it initially. Although Ansem is bringing help, Xemnas is more than capable of handling both of them. His shield would help to keep the Heartless at bay, which just leaves Ansem, who barely attack on his own... in fact, his Heartless does all the work, doesn't it?

whoa. First of all, ansem does not have a heartless, he is a heartless. His "heartless" is a manefest of his dark powers. I repeat: his powers. The reason it looks like ansem is not doing any work is because his powers are darkness, which is what his guardian is.

And nobodies are not naturally stronger than heartless. Consider this, ansem is the only heartless to retain his human form. This fact = him being stronger than crap.

And your saying xemnas's sheild would keep ansem at bay? xemnas's sheild couldn't even keep sora at bay. Ansem has a sheild too, remember "come guardian?"

Seriously, ansem is way stronger. you know how many times it took me to beat ansem for the first time? around 7. It only took me one time to beat xemnas. And just because he has more (albeit, weak) forms, does not make him automatically stronger.

I vote for ansem.

 

[King Naruto]

Wrong. Just because Ansem can retain his human form does not make his stronger. It just means Xehanort had a strong heart so, his heartless was able to keep it's form.

Ansem was defeated by a weaker Sora and Donald and Goofy while Xemnas almost killed Sora several times if Riku had not been around. Xemnas is more powerful. Nobodies are more powerful beings then heartless. look at Roxas and the other nobodies. Ansem does have heartless. What do you think guardian is?

Guardian is weak. He's a pathetic attempt of a shield while Xemnas's had to be destroyed by Sora and Riku's combined power. Yes, Ansem's huge form is weak. All of Xemnas's forms had to be defeated by Riku and Sora's combined power. Xemnas is stronger then Ansem. He combined with Kingdom Hearts and nearly killed Sora and Riku. Ansem could only see the door to Kingdom Hearts, was stopped by Riku's KH form, and he could barely stand up to Sora, Donald, and Goofy. If you notice that Ansem had summon Heartless in the last fight to barely stand a chance while Xemnas needed only himself to almost kill Sora.

Oh I beat Ansem in my first try so, that must mean he is weak.

Xemnas crushes Ansem easily.

 

[Awesome Ansem]

First of all, I already said what ansem's guardian is. you should read what I say before saying the exact opposite. AND HOW CAN A HEARTLESS HAVE A HEARTLESS!? And the fact that ansem retained his human form because he had a strong heart does mean he is really strong. The heartless is the heart, so if the heart is ultrastrong, then ansem is ultra strong.

And about the whole riku thing; riku was technically in the ansem fight, as ansem. If anything, riku was holding ansem back because sora is his friend. He would not really want to kill sora. And if riku had the power of ansem in him while he was fighting xemnas, then doesn't that technically mean ansem's powers beat xemnas?

And just because ansem has heartless in his final battle doesn't mean anything. let's face it; those heartles were ultra weak, and all they did was give you health. if anything, they were there just to help you.

 

[twilight726]

Ansem has a slave like heartless which he controls it is not his heartless but a heartless lackey

 

[King Naruto]

First of all, I already said what ansem's guardian is. you should read what I say before saying the exact opposite. AND HOW CAN A HEARTLESS HAVE A HEARTLESS!? And the fact that ansem retained his human form because he had a strong heart does mean he is really strong. The heartless is the heart, so if the heart is ultrastrong, then ansem is ultra strong.

And about the whole riku thing; riku was technically in the ansem fight, as ansem. If anything, riku was holding ansem back because sora is his friend. He would not really want to kill sora. And if riku had the power of ansem in him while he was fighting xemnas, then doesn't that technically mean ansem's powers beat xemnas?

And just because ansem has heartless in his final battle doesn't mean anything. let's face it; those heartles were ultra weak, and all they did was give you health. if anything, they were there just to help you.

The heartless were his underlings meaning they were his. He controlled them to do whatever he wanted them to. No it doesn't mean that. Sora's heart is strong but, when he became a heartless, he was in the body of a weak heartless.

That still means something if Riku was able to hold Ansem back and he wasn't even using a physical body. In those fights, it was Ansem controlling Riku's body without Riku doing anything so, that means Ansem was the one that lost to Sora all those times. Remember Riku was rid of his Ansem form after that explosion leaving Riku to use his own power and not Ansem's power. Technically it means Riku's power beat Xemnas and not Ansem's power.

Yes it does. That is completely canon. Ansem needed his heartless or, he would have never summoned them to fight.

 

[LittleBlue]

Well, I like Ansem more, but if they went up into a head-to-head battle... Xemnas would own him in five seconds. Just shoot a million lasers at him, and BAM! He's dead.

Such a shame.

 

[Cid Highwind]

Ansem was defeated by a weaker Sora and Donald and Goofy while Xemnas almost killed Sora several times if Riku had not been around. Xemnas is more powerful. Nobodies are more powerful beings then heartless.

there we go. this is all you pretty much need. sora could have easily defeated ansem in all forms, but w/o riku, sora would have been killed by xemnas...also mind you the fact that sora was stronger around the time he faced xemnas.

 

[the_legsta]

i don't like either.
But if i had to pick id pick Xemnas. coz he has the funnier name! (HEHEHEH MANSEX! LMAO!)
lol

 

[Ansem Darkheart]

I think you guys missed the point Awesome Ansem tried to make. The guardian heartless on Ansems back IS Ansem. It just looks like he doesn't fight and the guardian does all the work. The guardian is Ansems Dark Power incarnate. This is why he is still attached to it in his giant form.

Think of it as his shadow.

On another note, I didn't think so many people liked Xemnas over Ansem. Just like I said before they are my to favorite characters. But their is just something about Ansem. I dont know if its the fact that he was so mysterious in the first game or what. I can tell you Billy Zane as a voice actor rocked for him.

 

[Ansem Darkheart]

Sorry to double post but I want to make sure every body sees this thread and has a chance to post accordingly.

 

[Saiou Takuma]

Xemnas! The reasons have already been stated

Ansem is super awesome though

Though Xemnas' tribal coat makes him better

 

[bladed asassin]

well lets see here.. xeahnorts heartless i think was alot harder to defeat than xemnas... it took me to level 50 on proud to beat xeahnort and i beat xemnas in level 44 in proud.. and maybe xeahnorts heartless was counting on kingdomhearts... xemnas without kingdomhearts.. sucked... soo i put my money on ansem the seeker of darkness

 

[rockin riku]

xemnas is more powerful

but ansem has a guardin
it's hard to choose

 

[daydreamer01]

well there both the same so i think its going to be a close one

 

[Nelo Angelo]

hmmm...tough call but i gotta go for Ansem for i find him harder to beat then Xemnas though i pwnd there ass with ease.
also billy zane doin the voice for ansem was unbelievable.

 

[Niisanchan]

Can't decide >__<

And please use the updated version, meaning Xeanorth's Heartless... I'm getting tired that even in the FM+ section of these forums people say Ansem... I know it's easier to write but come on!