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[Vanitas666]

Xehanort's heart be in KH? Xehanort said that he hooked the organisation up to his heart with KH but his heart was a heartless named Ansem for about 9 years after the organisation formed.
How does that make any sense?

also, did they retcon Pinocchio? he is in traverse town before monstro, I've talked to him there in KH 1 in cid's store. if he got to PP after that he wouldn't have had Jimminy with him because he was with Sora the entire time. wtf?

 

[hoikess]

Re: How could Xehanorts heart be in KH???

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He is that being from the beginning of kingdom hearts 1 first with the brown cloth etc he travelled to young xehanorts time with that form to give him the job to help him with his plan he all planned the first and second organization this when he failed to get the xblade after bbs thats why yen sid even was shocked how far he clan plan and about pin.....idk maybe mickey or someone sended jimminy to sora?

i spoiler tagged it just for sure

edit: if u don;t know what i'm talking about i wil post a picture of it XD

 

[Vanitas666]

Re: How could Xehanorts heart be in KH???

I thought he just got YX started on his journey and made him talk to the xehanorts of different times, are you sure about that. But that still doesn't explain how his heart could be in kh right after the organisation formed.
also, why did YX not just make 13 of himself? go forward in time - get himself 3 seconds after he left - one of them get himself 6 seconds after he left and the other one get himself 9 seconds after... repeat.
did YX also leave his body behind somehow. He still couldn't have to hearts though, could he?

 

[hoikess]

Re: How could Xehanorts heart be in KH???

Yh thats right..sigh it's becoming a real mind..... now XD maybe ansem and xemnas got all memories of the real Xehanort and therefore know what to do (or remember the goals) ? and maybe there is some sort of restriction about the forms etc becuase in in one of the final scenes young xehanort explains he goes back to his own time and forget everything what happend after he is done with the task Xehanort gave him. So there is probaly an restriction with time traveling? i am even suprised how they got xemnas and Ansem SoD backprobs young xehanort did becuase those where defeated to bring old xehanort back.

kh probs has no time paradoxes because if it was so....lol

 

[Vanitas666]

Re: How could Xehanorts heart be in KH???

yeah, I hate paradoxes when it comes to time travelling and that's what I like about these restrictions in KH but they still don't really ad up (my favorite time travelling movie is HP 3)

 

[Sora2016]

Re: How could Xehanorts heart be in KH???

All of the worlds in the Realm of Sleep take place in the past of the worlds, they say that in the game....so what you went through in Prankster's Paradise in DDD happened before what happened in Monstro in KH1.

 

[Vanitas666]

Re: How could Xehanorts heart be in KH???

All of the worlds in the Realm of Sleep take place in the past of the worlds, they say that in the game....so what you went through in Prankster's Paradise in DDD happened before what happened in Monstro in KH1.

If that's then that means that both Pinocchio and Jimminy came out from monstro after the events of 3D and then Pinocchio ended up there again. that's really bloody stupid.

 

[axel95]

Re: How could Xehanorts heart be in KH???

If that's then that means that both Pinocchio and Jimminy came out from monstro after the events of 3D and then Pinocchio ended up there again. that's really bloody stupid.

Haven't played the game yet, but I think the stuff happening in the RoS won't affect the actual world if it awakens, something like that anyway.

 

[bladewarrior13]

If the worlds that are in the Realm of Sleep in the past then how is Geppetto's house already built in Traverse Town? Leon built it when Geppetto and Pinochio arrived from Monstro.

 

[AdrianXXII]

Well what happens with Pinocchio in 3D isn't necessarily what really happened after all it is a dream. Also Riku's part was inside of Sora's dream and it would make sense if Sora's dream went a little beyond the worlds dream, seeing he knows what happened afterwards.

When it comes to the Xehanort's Heart thing. I'm just guessing Kingdom Hearts has special power and therefor doesn't need the real heart to create replicas to put in ever org member.

 

[Nayru's Love]

I'm not exactly sure where exactly this detail about Xemnas' heart in KH is coming from, but Xemnas should still be a seed of Xehanort; he should have a heart, in some form. Through that heart, he should be able to clone it into the other Org members.

 

[Zul]

I thought "hook them up to Kingdom Hearts" was a way to get them to lose their sense of self, opening them to being taken over by Xehanort.

Xemnas stated that he took the rage and hatred in those hearts("I need more rage, I need more hearts"), he was likely trying to use KH to flood them with so many negative emotions that it would open whatever is left of their hearts, or their "minds" to darkness.


Likely there is a special condition required to either bring a Xehanort through time, or use one as a seeker of darkness.

Either

1. You need to be in a different body and/or have a different combination of body and heart.

or

2. You need to have your heart's "condition" change at some point.

The second rule is to justify YMX and MX both existing in the new Org. Xehanort after having merged with Terra, seperated into heartless and nobody, then merged back, counted "differently" than YMX.

Whereas a MX from BBS wouldn't work because he's just an aged version of YMX, you need to be "changed" in some way or form.

The reason such a condition exists is because, like you said, without such a condition existing, the question of "why aren't there literally thousands of YMX's helping out" is posed.

 

[Vanitas666]

The reason such a condition exists is because, like you said, without such a condition existing, the question of "why aren't there literally thousands of YMX's helping out" is posed.

I didn't quite get that but if your saying that old MX is his nobody then I suppose that make sense. I mean it does raise the question why we haven't seen him before but whatever.

I thought "hook them up to Kingdom Hearts" was a way to get them to lose their sense of self, opening them to being taken over by Xehanort.

Xemnas stated that he took the rage and hatred in those hearts("I need more rage, I need more hearts"), he was likely trying to use KH to flood them with so many negative emotions that it would open whatever is left of their hearts, or their "minds" to darkness.

could be, it wasn't the impression I got and I hope someone ask Nomura about it in some interview soon

Well what happens with Pinocchio in 3D isn't necessarily what really happened after all it is a dream. Also Riku's part was inside of Sora's dream and it would make sense if Sora's dream went a little beyond the worlds dream, seeing he knows what happened afterwards.

I didn't quite get how what happen in Soras dream affect what happen in the worlds dream so much either but I think that the worlds dream should have been very relevant never the less. I suppose that Pinocchio could have gone to find Geppeto and somehow ended up in TT first and Jimminy got to Disney Castle but that's still very vague

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I'm not exactly sure where exactly this detail about Xemnas' heart in KH is coming from, but Xemnas should still be a seed of Xehanort; he should have a heart, in some form. Through that heart, he should be able to clone it into the other Org members.

You said something there, everything is able to grow a heart and the reason why they would be able to give the organisation Xehanorts heart is because the body is always looking for a heart. maybe Xemnas grew his own heart (though weak or not complete or something sense he could then just have split himself again to create a second heartless) and used that as a replika.

 

[AdrianXXII]

I didn't quite get how what happen in Soras dream affect what happen in the worlds dream so much either but I think that the worlds dream should have been very relevant never the less. I suppose that Pinocchio could have gone to find Geppeto and somehow ended up in TT first and Jimminy got to Disney Castle but that's still very vague

Well I think a dream is a dream, therefor the world's dream has little importance in itself. It's likely imo that the world was dreaming of what was happening before it was swallowed by darkness and what should have happened if heartless hadn't attacked. I think Sora's and Riku's bond is what made the two dreams interact with one another.