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Riku-Keyblade said:BHK hasnt been confirmed as apart of the Org. Netheir has Riku or Mickey but we assume they are. Larxene,Vexen,Lexeaus,Marluxia and Zexion all died.
monkey_boy said:I think that Mickey, Riku, and BHK joined the organization because in COM, three org. members died, so they had to keep the number of them 13, so they added 3 new members. the members that I think died were Vexen, because they made his death a big deal, Lexaeus, because he was just a minor character that didn't matter much, an Marluxia because he was the final boss, and they wouldn't make both him AND Ansem come back to life, so they chose the most important one.
One-Winged-Angel said:wow wow wow, when was it confirmed that there were only 13 of them, for all we know there could be alot more............
Mickey, Riku and Sora just fought for their lives against the Organization, there's no way any of them would willingly join them. And yes, I'm aware not all members were met by Riku or Sora alone. Between the two of them all six were beaten and/or killed, however.monkey_boy said:what does Axel say the purpose of the org. is? to unlock the secrets of the heart. To me, that seems like something that Mickey, Riku, and most likely BHK would join. and maybe after one of them dies, the rest just move up a rank. And Riku never came in contact with Larxene or Marluxia, and Sora never came in contact with Lexaeus. And even so, they could come up with other replacements for the other two that may or may not have died.
"Neophyte" means "novice" or "beginner." Hopefully you know what inception means...Vexen: No. 4 in the Organization. He, Lexaeus, and Zexion have been in the group since it's inception, and there is no love lost between them and neophytes like Marluxia.
DarrcEnigma said:Mickey, Riku and Sora just fought for their lives against the Organization, there's no way any of them would willingly join them. And yes, I'm aware not all members were met by Riku or Sora alone. Between the two of them all six were beaten and/or killed, however.
As for their numbers, they do not represent rank:
"Neophyte" means "novice" or "beginner." Hopefully you know what inception means...
So you're telling me that if a group of people just tried to kill you, but then found a use for you, that you'd join them? ... I don't think so.monkey_boy said:Mickey only fought against Ansem, Sora didn't join the org. because he's stuck in a flower, and Riku was fighting for his life because he wasn't part of the org., so they had no use for him. now they do. And why would Nomura give them the cloaks if they weren't org. members? And how do you know the numbers don't represent rank? did Nomura tell you?
DarrcEnigma said:So you're telling me that if a group of people just tried to kill you, but then found a use for you, that you'd join them? ... I don't think so.
And yes, he would -- because from what I've seen the current Mickey and Riku are Shells. And, obviously, so are the Organization members.
As for rank, I've already shown why I believe that. So before you throw Nomura's name in my face, show me something to back up why Marluxia is number 11 and in charge, or why Lexaeus is lower than Vexen when he's obviously the superior fighter.
If you haven't noticed, reality really has no place in Castle Oblivion. The clothing bit may have been Naminé's doing, much like Replicas good luck charm was actually a World Card. Whether or not they're Shells is probably more personal opinion than anything right now.monkey_boy said:And IF Riku and Mickey were shells, and shells automatically are wearing cloaks, then why aren't Riku and Mickey wearing the cloaks throughout CoM? and there's no proof that Riku and Mickey are shells. it just says they escaped from the dark realm.
Eh, it's nothing personal; I don't get involved in many threads. The ones I do I follow through with until they die off. You just had two similar threads that interested me...Also, why are you doing this to me tonight? the entire night you've been on my back. I have to go.
monkey_boy said:Nomura confirmed that DD and ASAS were more than just concept art, so BHK is an unkown.
when did it show that Zexion died? he just teleported because he was being beaten up. and it never showed Larxene die either. with Larxene, Vexen, and Marluxia, it put more depth into their deaths. and Zexion never really did anything, so they wouldn't kill him off yet. and Larxene seems as important as Axel, so they wouldn't kill her off just yet, either.
I think that Mickey, Riku, and BHK joined the organization because in COM, three org. members died
so they added 3 new members.
the members that I think died were Vexen, because they made his death a big deal, Lexaeus, because he was just a minor character that didn't matter much, an Marluxia because he was the final boss, and they wouldn't make both him AND Ansem come back to life, so they chose the most important one.
Nomura confirmed that DD and ASAS were more than just concept art, so BHK is an unkown.
when did it show that Zexion died? he just teleported because he was being beaten up.
and it never showed Larxene die either.
with Larxene, Vexen, and Marluxia, it put more depth into their deaths.
and Zexion never really did anything, so they wouldn't kill him off yet.
and Larxene seems as important as Axel, so they wouldn't kill her off just yet, either.
And outside of ASAS/DD the BHK hasn't been shown wearing the Enigma Coat. More importantly just because someone is a Nobody/Shell or wearing the Enigma doesn't mean that they're a member of the Organization...
what does Axel say the purpose of the org. is? to unlock the secrets of the heart. To me, that seems like something that Mickey, Riku, and most likely BHK would join.
and maybe after one of them dies, the rest just move up a rank.
And Riku never came in contact with Larxene or Marluxia, and Sora never came in contact with Lexaeus. And even so, they could come up with other replacements for the other two that may or may not have died
And why would Nomura give them the cloaks if they weren't org. members?
And how do you know the numbers don't represent rank? did Nomura tell you?
And yes, he would -- because from what I've seen the current Mickey and Riku are Shells. And, obviously, so are the Organization members.
when I say rank, that could mean rank by order of joining, or rank by ability. and if a high-ranking person like a president of a company dies, usually the vice-president would take over, so Axel would be I think #6 or #7.
And IF Riku and Mickey were shells, and shells automatically are wearing cloaks, then why aren't Riku and Mickey wearing the cloaks throughout CoM? and there's no proof that Riku and Mickey are shells. it just says they escaped from the dark realm.
Non-Existant One said:Yes Nomura confirmed that DD and ASAS wern't just concepts but that doesn't automatically make the BHK an Org. member.
After Zexion teleported he ended up in one of the rooms in CO and the Riku Replica showed up. The other Org. membs. in the room were saying stuff like go ahead and finish him and stuff like that and the RR walked up to Zexion prepared to kill him. The screen then fades to black. Considering that you see the RR and have to fight it once more after the scene with Z and RR one can only assume how there fight ended.
Larxene was killed by Sora (you/player of the adventure) you had to fight her a few times in the game but the last time you fight her she says stuff like how can I lose to someone you and and she fades away.
Vexen was killed by axel.
Axel didn't die, and Marluxia died by Soras hands.
No, not always. It's usually more likely that the absorbed being would die along with the one that absorbed it...Libra said:then released when the being dies.
