Ok i am not going to lie i just copied and pasted this but everyone still loves roxas so i have decided this will be a info based thread..........of theories *maniacal laugh*......ahem i will be puting in alot of info in this i am getting soooooo tired of ven it's not funny it's all the same info so i will try and keep this post up on the first page so every one sees it as long as possible where ur threads that u make go from here please don't use the same info pls
the origanl sources of the threads are listed above the start of each theory...b sure to go and look at the replies given because some of these theories buld upon themselves like this last one i did.
b sure to leave posts k
theory #1......although V.A.T 13 was made first
the thread i made a couple of weeks ago
i am going to post really good treads theories here so if anyone knows of some really good ones put it up as a comment k? but make sure the person who made it gets the credit
original source came from here http://forums.khinsider.com/kingdom-hearts-ii-final-mix/86835-if-ven-roxas-how.html
Ok I just posted this Like a second ago and it came out like more of a theory than a post.
Lets assume that Roxas is ven below is my theory i just typed ita couple of minutes ago so it's not old.
it's in form of quote
This was extreamly revised from it's original form in the thread if roxas had something to do with the keyblade
edited to thank all who have posted (July 3rd) theory hasn't been tampered with
this has loads of good thoughts from every one ty everyone that posted if ya got something good please share the more thoughts the better
this one is wayyy better i will close that thread once i figure out how
I will admit i have a fascination when it comes to roxas and ven I am hoping that he is one and the same although i know he p-robably isn't but i am going to try and make sense of it all....or at least confuse everyone.
Theory part one for all those too lazy to read
Originally Posted by Marluxia's rose
U guys are funny. Remember we are only saying that they look too much alike. The reports made by ansem could easily be wrong. We assume because Ansem said that Roxas was created I mean think about it Riku's heart left evil Ansem there was no nobody even though his heart left his body their should be a nobody but their isn't probably becase his body still had a heart, Evil Ansems heart. It still goes to show that anothers heart could still be inside the body itself look at Sora and Kairi we assume that Namine or Roxas was created the way ansem the wise said it should be right? But even though two hearts came out there is still only one body the vessel sora yet he created 2 nobodies maybe only one was created that one would be namine or maybe even his own.
Remember people this is saying that Roxas and Ven are one and the same remember we still assume that every thing Ansem the wise said is completely correct. I am exploring the possibility that he is wrong. I've played kh1 and 2 and read the script though I still don't no the game very well of khcom so i know what Ansem the wise said and i've played kh2 at least 9 times all the way through i've read the reports and every thing remember this is assuming he is wrong whether he is or not. All I'm saying that if he is wrong then lets explore the possibility of roxas and Ven being one and the same.
Part 2 this will help u slow down the reading process for lazy people duh theoris need to be long to state ur point and give quality inf
Though the fact that no memories inside roxas about his time when he was sora exist and he doesn't remember. It makes me wonder if he could be a completely different person. I know his memories "come back" when he is with sora but that could be because of the machine. Or the fact he has been inside sora this whole time and natrally since his heart is either close to or inside Soras heart he should have soras memories. Even then when he was in organization 13 he didn't have memories about Sora Xemnas asked him his real name and roxas couldn't respond. Either that was the way it happened and it didn't allow time for him to say his name or he couldn't remember. We assume that because Sora didn't spend much time as a heartless that the nobody process was interfeared with thats what we assume and that some how interfeared with Roxas' memories.
The fact is it doesn't make sense that sora got his body back in kh1 it doesn't at alll cus that would mean Roxas should have completely dissappeared. This would also mean that Sora was either only a heart running around this whole entire time (which I doubt seeing as what happened to Xehanort/evil Ansem runnig around as a heart in kh1 without a body, he really couldn't do jack crap)
But if sora was able to get back his body maybe he actually did have a nobody. But since he came back he summoned up his own body to become whole again yet there was a piece missing and he needed that piece to become back to the way he was would be none other than Roxas.
Don't u see if Sora got back his body back in Hallow Bastion and Roxas was expelled he would be missing a piece of himself...in a way.
Part 3....*sigh if this will help as a book mark....so be it
Apparently Sora was weaker without Roxas tge way diz was talking about it. Roxas would have had some type of influence on sora or the keyblade. Take evil Ansem for example look at how he moved how he couldn't do a thing in the realm of light he literally had to take over the body of riku to have a form.
Riku is easy to say what happened the fact that he was in the realm of darkness where his heart fell into he stayed his form and was able to move around. Normally same should apply for the realm in between i.e castle oblivion and twilight town. If he ventured into the realm of light it would put a major strain on his heart he probably wouldn't be able to influence much.
Do you remember in com I think they were talking about soras other memories twilight town if roxas was not with sora at this time howcouldsora remember a plce he has never seen. Even if Roxas went there Sora shouldn't remember a thing or It shouldn't have been in his memories unless one of 2 things. Sora did have a nobody but it got sucked back up when he touched Kairi and returned Sora to his original self and that's where his nobody was born.
Part 4....I can't believe i am actually doing this
Or Roxas was there before and what I mean by before is if Roxas and Ven are one in the same Roxas was there at some point before he died in the keyblade wars. (stay with me here this part is hard to follow so read slowly) and he transferred himself into Sora with the power of his heart and keyblade choosing to go into one of the next choosen keyblade weilders Leaving remnant meories inside sora that aren't even his own they are Roxas' or rather Vens, being so close to him made a small impression of the memories of Soras heart. remember hearts are unpredictable and this would increase soras chances of becoming keyblade master and make him stronger as well be able to know how to use it and etc. Remember kh1 when you first arrive to hallow bastion or the memories about the grandma in hallow Bastion.
If this is true don't you feel sorry for riku. He really got the raw end of the deal all cus ven interfeared i maen look at all this crap that happened to riku all because sora got the keyblade and all the events that took place. You know nomura he always gotta have drama dram and more drama in his games this would be a capper even for him
oh let me get back on topic.
Part 5.....reading the original source will provide alot more info and later thoughts in the comments incase u think it happened differently it might already been answered in my thread...or V.A.T 13 thread
So that only leaves roxas and sora correct? Well how is it sora came back from a heartless form when Kairi hugged him did she just return his heart which means he was running around as a heart this whole entire time. Or did she return his body which should have been left in the world of... not quite sure where the body is suppose to appear but i assume inbetween or darkness i guess. If she could return Soras heart couldn't she return his body back as well? she would need to to restore sora to his true form. Roxas doesn't count cus he would have interfeared with Soras form in the first place so that leaves him out. If Kairi had brought back Soras heart and body then the nobody would be back together with their hearts creating the original person.
So if this is all true then Sora had a nobody at some point and time but that nobody dissappeared as quickly as it was made so what of roxas?
Assuming I am right which I could be way off then wouldn't that mean Roxas does not belong?
Roxas would be another being inside sora .
could it be possible?
ur input guys remember exploring the possiblity ansem is completely wrong I know i am probably waaaaaayyyyyy off but just for fun wat do ya think?
I came at a....different approach but we pretty much have the same thing
Next comment goes to V.A.T 13 who is very well organised and did a much better job at explaining
and i am not parting it like i did mine just go to the link it is easier to read and it has lots of pictures
the origanl sources of the threads are listed above the start of each theory...b sure to go and look at the replies given because some of these theories buld upon themselves like this last one i did.
b sure to leave posts k
theory #1......although V.A.T 13 was made first
the thread i made a couple of weeks ago
i am going to post really good treads theories here so if anyone knows of some really good ones put it up as a comment k? but make sure the person who made it gets the credit
original source came from here http://forums.khinsider.com/kingdom-hearts-ii-final-mix/86835-if-ven-roxas-how.html
Ok I just posted this Like a second ago and it came out like more of a theory than a post.
Lets assume that Roxas is ven below is my theory i just typed ita couple of minutes ago so it's not old.
it's in form of quote
This was extreamly revised from it's original form in the thread if roxas had something to do with the keyblade
edited to thank all who have posted (July 3rd) theory hasn't been tampered with
this has loads of good thoughts from every one ty everyone that posted if ya got something good please share the more thoughts the better
this one is wayyy better i will close that thread once i figure out how
I will admit i have a fascination when it comes to roxas and ven I am hoping that he is one and the same although i know he p-robably isn't but i am going to try and make sense of it all....or at least confuse everyone.
Theory part one for all those too lazy to read
Originally Posted by Marluxia's rose
U guys are funny. Remember we are only saying that they look too much alike. The reports made by ansem could easily be wrong. We assume because Ansem said that Roxas was created I mean think about it Riku's heart left evil Ansem there was no nobody even though his heart left his body their should be a nobody but their isn't probably becase his body still had a heart, Evil Ansems heart. It still goes to show that anothers heart could still be inside the body itself look at Sora and Kairi we assume that Namine or Roxas was created the way ansem the wise said it should be right? But even though two hearts came out there is still only one body the vessel sora yet he created 2 nobodies maybe only one was created that one would be namine or maybe even his own.
Remember people this is saying that Roxas and Ven are one and the same remember we still assume that every thing Ansem the wise said is completely correct. I am exploring the possibility that he is wrong. I've played kh1 and 2 and read the script though I still don't no the game very well of khcom so i know what Ansem the wise said and i've played kh2 at least 9 times all the way through i've read the reports and every thing remember this is assuming he is wrong whether he is or not. All I'm saying that if he is wrong then lets explore the possibility of roxas and Ven being one and the same.
Part 2 this will help u slow down the reading process for lazy people duh theoris need to be long to state ur point and give quality inf
Though the fact that no memories inside roxas about his time when he was sora exist and he doesn't remember. It makes me wonder if he could be a completely different person. I know his memories "come back" when he is with sora but that could be because of the machine. Or the fact he has been inside sora this whole time and natrally since his heart is either close to or inside Soras heart he should have soras memories. Even then when he was in organization 13 he didn't have memories about Sora Xemnas asked him his real name and roxas couldn't respond. Either that was the way it happened and it didn't allow time for him to say his name or he couldn't remember. We assume that because Sora didn't spend much time as a heartless that the nobody process was interfeared with thats what we assume and that some how interfeared with Roxas' memories.
The fact is it doesn't make sense that sora got his body back in kh1 it doesn't at alll cus that would mean Roxas should have completely dissappeared. This would also mean that Sora was either only a heart running around this whole entire time (which I doubt seeing as what happened to Xehanort/evil Ansem runnig around as a heart in kh1 without a body, he really couldn't do jack crap)
But if sora was able to get back his body maybe he actually did have a nobody. But since he came back he summoned up his own body to become whole again yet there was a piece missing and he needed that piece to become back to the way he was would be none other than Roxas.
Don't u see if Sora got back his body back in Hallow Bastion and Roxas was expelled he would be missing a piece of himself...in a way.
Part 3....*sigh if this will help as a book mark....so be it
Apparently Sora was weaker without Roxas tge way diz was talking about it. Roxas would have had some type of influence on sora or the keyblade. Take evil Ansem for example look at how he moved how he couldn't do a thing in the realm of light he literally had to take over the body of riku to have a form.
Riku is easy to say what happened the fact that he was in the realm of darkness where his heart fell into he stayed his form and was able to move around. Normally same should apply for the realm in between i.e castle oblivion and twilight town. If he ventured into the realm of light it would put a major strain on his heart he probably wouldn't be able to influence much.
Do you remember in com I think they were talking about soras other memories twilight town if roxas was not with sora at this time howcouldsora remember a plce he has never seen. Even if Roxas went there Sora shouldn't remember a thing or It shouldn't have been in his memories unless one of 2 things. Sora did have a nobody but it got sucked back up when he touched Kairi and returned Sora to his original self and that's where his nobody was born.
Part 4....I can't believe i am actually doing this
Or Roxas was there before and what I mean by before is if Roxas and Ven are one in the same Roxas was there at some point before he died in the keyblade wars. (stay with me here this part is hard to follow so read slowly) and he transferred himself into Sora with the power of his heart and keyblade choosing to go into one of the next choosen keyblade weilders Leaving remnant meories inside sora that aren't even his own they are Roxas' or rather Vens, being so close to him made a small impression of the memories of Soras heart. remember hearts are unpredictable and this would increase soras chances of becoming keyblade master and make him stronger as well be able to know how to use it and etc. Remember kh1 when you first arrive to hallow bastion or the memories about the grandma in hallow Bastion.
If this is true don't you feel sorry for riku. He really got the raw end of the deal all cus ven interfeared i maen look at all this crap that happened to riku all because sora got the keyblade and all the events that took place. You know nomura he always gotta have drama dram and more drama in his games this would be a capper even for him
oh let me get back on topic.
Part 5.....reading the original source will provide alot more info and later thoughts in the comments incase u think it happened differently it might already been answered in my thread...or V.A.T 13 thread
So that only leaves roxas and sora correct? Well how is it sora came back from a heartless form when Kairi hugged him did she just return his heart which means he was running around as a heart this whole entire time. Or did she return his body which should have been left in the world of... not quite sure where the body is suppose to appear but i assume inbetween or darkness i guess. If she could return Soras heart couldn't she return his body back as well? she would need to to restore sora to his true form. Roxas doesn't count cus he would have interfeared with Soras form in the first place so that leaves him out. If Kairi had brought back Soras heart and body then the nobody would be back together with their hearts creating the original person.
So if this is all true then Sora had a nobody at some point and time but that nobody dissappeared as quickly as it was made so what of roxas?
Assuming I am right which I could be way off then wouldn't that mean Roxas does not belong?
Roxas would be another being inside sora .
could it be possible?
ur input guys remember exploring the possiblity ansem is completely wrong I know i am probably waaaaaayyyyyy off but just for fun wat do ya think?
I came at a....different approach but we pretty much have the same thing
Next comment goes to V.A.T 13 who is very well organised and did a much better job at explaining
and i am not parting it like i did mine just go to the link it is easier to read and it has lots of pictures
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