This here.This guy reminds me of Eel and his issues with digital and sexism.
This Thread is rrally getting outta hand, btw.
Let's get back to Topic, before a fight'll start. c:
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This here.This guy reminds me of Eel and his issues with digital and sexism.
Lol quick to get butt hurt, by a comment and not your boyfriend.
Anyway, I can't explain it will, but his words made it super easy to make gay fan fiction. Which I hate, but people can wrote what they want
It's just so easy to write straight fan fiction for Sora and Kairi. Which I hate, but people can write what they want.
Also, I personally think KH has a pretty good balance between light Disney stuff and darker themes, some games more than others, but overall. If anything the "kiddy" or whatever stuff gives nice contrast to the overarching plot that's going on. There's a lot of horrible stuff happening between the fun and games.
One question I have is, if a person loses their heart and becomes a heartless, but without a nobody, could said person ever be restored? Or was that already explained in KHI, when Sora defeats a heartless with the keyblade, that the person returns (Something like that, at least? I very vaguely remember a remark akin to that somewhere in the game, but its been so long since I've done so that it might as well have been all in my head)
One question was did the lost keybladers leave heartless?
Getting killed by a keyblade releases hearts and if killed by another weapon other than the keyblade, where do the hearts go
One question I have is, if a person loses their heart and becomes a heartless, but without a nobody, could said person ever be restored? Or was that already explained in KHI, when Sora defeats a heartless with the keyblade, that the person returns (Something like that, at least? I very vaguely remember a remark akin to that somewhere in the game, but its been so long since I've done so that it might as well have been all in my head)
Yen sid says in KH 2, at times when someone is strong of heart and will gets taken over our yields to the darkness in them, they will leave a dusk. Or if even stronger, a big nobody. So that means most people don't leave both a heartless and nobody. How could they be revived, if to revive they need to destroy both.
Director's Secret Report said:VIII - When the heartless are defeated, what becomes of the stolen hearts? Also, when members of Organization XIII and other Nobodies are defeated, do they return to their original form?
When heartless are defeated, essentially the owner's hearts are rejoined with their once extinguished body, whichever world it may be on. As for the whereabouts of hearts in KHII that turn up, this time they remarkably went to the organization (there is a foot note here that says "In Kingdom Hearts II after heartless were defeated, the many hearts were absorbed by the Kingdom Hearts of "people's hearts"). However, in the rare case that the body changed into a Nobody, when there is no container for the heart it resorts to a state of suspension.
In the case of a Nobody being defeated, it's a little more complicated. If the above mentioned hearts are liberated, they return to their original form. However, if the heart is still stolen by the heartless, the Nobody's body is swallowed by darkness. If somewhere in the world their hearts are taken back, perhaps they might be able to return to their original human form.
The emblem however is what? They was originally made by a machine so do they have a heart they originate from? Wouldn't they release two hearts if they did?
Here is the thread: Don't be discouraged by the title of the thread, the discussion eventually turns towards the Emblem Heartless.Gram said:Perhaps even the emblems are just data made real by replicating how heartless form.
This thread above might also be an interesting read for all the others interested in the topic as back then we really debated the crap out of it.
(Damn how I miss those times...<__<).
lawl Oh damn. How did you remember that far back? I'm lucky to remember last week....Y'know Gram, on this question about the Emblems I'd like to remind you of a discussion we had about this topic one year ago involving the Heartless manufactory and data Hearts, as well as quoting you from back then:
Here is the thread: Don't be discouraged by the title of the thread, the discussion eventually turns towards the Emblem Heartless.
This thread above might also be an interesting read for all the others interested in the topic as back then we really debated the crap out of it.
(Damn how I miss those times...<__<).
It is a shame you didn't appear sooner. I could probably find more topics like that if ya want. I had enough threads back in the day of theories. Most of them debating with Sephiroth0812 if memory serves.Stuff like this makes me wish that I was around here earlier. But holy crud, I've never thought of it that way at all! Emblem Heartless being data made real because of heart-data shenanigans... heck, an infinite army of them. That's actually kind of terrifying to think about. D:
This is so overly convoluted it's possible...gonna stick with the emblems are data idea. Either way though I think it's safe to say the emblems start out empty.Interesting.... I had always figured that what Xehanort did was create a way to artificially extract darkness from a heart, the darkness manifesting as a heartless without the heart itself ever actually being consumed by darkness. I felt like Vanitas further gave that theory more credibility because it showed Xehanort had already done a very similar process, and that maybe Vanitas was in part inspiration for this process with the emblem referencing this by being colored liked he is and marked with the "Chi" symbol. Of course the difference from that case would be the only thing the machine extracts is the darkness itself, leaving the whole heart intact. Which is then why popping an emblem heartless yielded a heart.
The advantage of Xehanort's machine would be that since the heart isn't becoming a heartless, he could just funnel that heart's darkness to appear somewhere else essentially creating an empty dark shell. While the heart itself would be left in the machine and thus it could incubate and have more darkness generated in it to be extracted. Allowing it to produce as many heartless from one heart as he pleases though it would take time. Which is why his machine has numerous hearts in it to account for the fact that there would be a delay in production because it takes time for the darkness to regrow and regenerate.
Though this would mean his heartless from the machine start out empty, but they would still be able to collect heart inside themselves so when destroyed they'd still yield hearts kind of like mini living collection tanks. And they possessed the ability to convert other heartless into emblem heartless, making them a self replicating force like the purebloods.
Take a stroll through 13yrs worth of interviews and you'll find how painfully true this is.I'm pretty sure if any concept in the KH series was straight forward and easy to understand these forums would have 10% of the threads they do now.
Stuff like this makes me wish that I was around here earlier. But holy crud, I've never thought of it that way at all! Emblem Heartless being data made real because of heart-data shenanigans... heck, an infinite army of them. That's actually kind of terrifying to think about. D:
They might have started by feeding the hearts of some of the prisoners/guinea pigs from the experiments into the machine (by digitizing them) to test how it works, but later after the "everything can grow a heart"-fact became clear they simply created conditions to have new hearts born, then break them until they turn into Heartless. (Or Xehanort did all that alone, considering the apprentices didn't knew about the "growing heart"-mechanism).Ansem Report 8 said:This device is the culmination of all my research thus far. The machine's test run successfully created a Heartless. This may be a step toward creating a heart from nothing. The artificially and naturally created Heartless showed nearly identical traits. But the two types remain distinct for the purpose of the experiment. So, I will mark the ones that are created artificially.
It's obvious that after banishing the real Ansem that Xehanort took over Ansem's login account and reactivated the MCP.Tron said:But Ansem is also the one who brought back the MCP. The Ansem I first knew wouldn't do that. I'm sorry I didn't tell you.
Cid said:Turns out the MCP is using the data in that computer to crank out Heartless.
I'm pretty sure if any concept in the KH series was straight forward and easy to understand these forums would have 10% of the threads they do now.
lawl Oh damn. How did you remember that far back? I'm lucky to remember last week....
I had forgot this discussion. So we basically came up with the idea that emblems are data? Seems fitting since Ansem had that matter-to-data conversion machine in the basement. (what "zaps" you into Trons world)
It is a shame you didn't appear sooner. I could probably find more topics like that if ya want. I had enough threads back in the day of theories. Most of them debating with Sephiroth0812 if memory serves.
Nomura states in the DDD Ultimania that losing your sense of self eventually results in losing your heart:Xemnas said:Once born, the heart can also be nurtured. Our experiments creating Heartless were attempts to control the mind, and convince it to renounce its sense of self.
DDD Ultimania said:— Why did Xehanort and co. word things as if to try and wake Ventus who is inside Sora?
Nomura: They did so in order to tempt Sora’s heart and have it fall to the darkness. In the story it also talks about how abandoning the self leads to losing the heart