As much as love the series, there has been one plot hole, one single plot hole, that I just cannot seem to skirt, surmount or ignore. So, right now, I will try to pave over it outright.
We know that people go through four states of existence: human, Heartless, Nobody and rebirth (a human once more.)
We also know that the only people to have gone through these stages onscreen are five members of the Org (III, IV, V, VI, VIII) and, arguably, Xigbar and Saix. They do, however, retain that Recusant Sigil in their names, but I think that's just because either (a) being in the True Organization they must bear it as a sign of their servitude to Master Xehanort (even though the eyes and ears are sign enough) or (b) their hearts are not their own, since they bear pieces of Master Xehanort's heart, and still technically have no hearts of their own. Lea called Saix "Isa" in DDD, though, which leads me to believe that(a) is more plausible. This is a tangent for a whole other thread, though.
What I began this one to ask is: why the heck can they never seem to remember their demise???
Think about it. Nobodies are supposed to retain memories of their existence as people and, as far as we know, they all do. We know that the reason the other apprentices, along with Isa and Lea, became Nobodies is because Xehanort went on a crazy heart-releasing spree once he regained the power to use the Keyblade, effectively killing them. They did not, as far as I understand, ask to become Heartless.
Perhaps after performing all those... let's say, morally ambiguous experiments, on the people of Radiant Garden, they realized they were stuck with this man, conjoined eternally through the sins of their work. That could be why some of them yearned so badly to become whole again.
But, that explanation doesn't seem rock solid. Why did they agree to join the Org, to work for this guy who condemned them to a non-existence? Is it because becoming a Nobody granted special powers, and they felt gratitude?
I think what's most plausible is that Xemnas, supposedly being the world's first Nobody, and having dominion over nothingness--the element that all Nobodies are comprised of--has the power to change the shape of Nobodies. As they live a twilight, non-existence, he can morph them as he can control nothingness. Remember all those times through Days and the intro to KHII, when Axel and Xion talked about getting "turned into a Dusk?" I think it is Xemnas who had the power to do that.
And as for demonstrating his power, his Heartless and the newly released armada of darkness were in the Realm of Light, wreaking havoc, destroying worlds and seizing hearts for the first time since the age of fairy tales, meaning the first low ranking Nobodies were born.
Xemnas maybe made an example of some of them to keep them in line.
So here's the one that really makes no sense.
Axel murdered Vexen in cold blood, and had the Riku Replica kill Zexion and absorb his life force, effectively assassinating both of them--hence his underlings, the assassins.
And when they all came back in Radiant Garden, none of them could remember a thing.
My working theory is that Ienzo, having been so overcome with elation and joy at coming back to life and finally having a heart and feeling real emotion once more, completely forgot about that entire unpleasantry. But...really?
Thoughts?
We know that people go through four states of existence: human, Heartless, Nobody and rebirth (a human once more.)
We also know that the only people to have gone through these stages onscreen are five members of the Org (III, IV, V, VI, VIII) and, arguably, Xigbar and Saix. They do, however, retain that Recusant Sigil in their names, but I think that's just because either (a) being in the True Organization they must bear it as a sign of their servitude to Master Xehanort (even though the eyes and ears are sign enough) or (b) their hearts are not their own, since they bear pieces of Master Xehanort's heart, and still technically have no hearts of their own. Lea called Saix "Isa" in DDD, though, which leads me to believe that(a) is more plausible. This is a tangent for a whole other thread, though.
What I began this one to ask is: why the heck can they never seem to remember their demise???
Think about it. Nobodies are supposed to retain memories of their existence as people and, as far as we know, they all do. We know that the reason the other apprentices, along with Isa and Lea, became Nobodies is because Xehanort went on a crazy heart-releasing spree once he regained the power to use the Keyblade, effectively killing them. They did not, as far as I understand, ask to become Heartless.
Perhaps after performing all those... let's say, morally ambiguous experiments, on the people of Radiant Garden, they realized they were stuck with this man, conjoined eternally through the sins of their work. That could be why some of them yearned so badly to become whole again.
But, that explanation doesn't seem rock solid. Why did they agree to join the Org, to work for this guy who condemned them to a non-existence? Is it because becoming a Nobody granted special powers, and they felt gratitude?
I think what's most plausible is that Xemnas, supposedly being the world's first Nobody, and having dominion over nothingness--the element that all Nobodies are comprised of--has the power to change the shape of Nobodies. As they live a twilight, non-existence, he can morph them as he can control nothingness. Remember all those times through Days and the intro to KHII, when Axel and Xion talked about getting "turned into a Dusk?" I think it is Xemnas who had the power to do that.
And as for demonstrating his power, his Heartless and the newly released armada of darkness were in the Realm of Light, wreaking havoc, destroying worlds and seizing hearts for the first time since the age of fairy tales, meaning the first low ranking Nobodies were born.
Xemnas maybe made an example of some of them to keep them in line.
So here's the one that really makes no sense.
Axel murdered Vexen in cold blood, and had the Riku Replica kill Zexion and absorb his life force, effectively assassinating both of them--hence his underlings, the assassins.
And when they all came back in Radiant Garden, none of them could remember a thing.
My working theory is that Ienzo, having been so overcome with elation and joy at coming back to life and finally having a heart and feeling real emotion once more, completely forgot about that entire unpleasantry. But...really?
Thoughts?
