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Just curious what did your brother do? I just want to know I really want to help you and give you my opinion.

And right now your way to young and financially disadvantaged to get married.

Well, he thought he got a girl pregnant (turns out the girl cheated on him and didnt tell him. My parents asked for a DNA test and she fcuked off to another city.) My Brother didnt think it was him but he just got depressed and accepted it. Apparently (My parents hid this from me until years later), when he was told, he just acted like it was some grand punishment, so he didnt argue with it.

I know that was a pretty extreme situation but violence is never a good way to teach your child a lesson.

Yeah I know. I wasnt going to get married yet. I was going to do that after I had used up my working holidays and stuff, so that would mean she would be at least 19-20.

Also, I have done nothing to my father, which is why he is angry.
If he is going to knock me out because I dont talk to him, he isnt the greatest of people.
 

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Sorry for the delayed response - been away at a conference all week.

I am definately doing Japanese language. Apparently it is a good idea to do Japanese studies (I assume that is history and culture) if you are doing the language so I will keep that in mind. Would I need to take Pedagogy too?
You can study whatever you want, if all you plan to do is teach English. Again you don't really need any Japanese language ability for that. I studied science at uni so can't really help you with course/subject choices if you want to do languages :p

She says it is accepted for teenagers to have their socialising time at night, rather than directly after school or just weekends.
Keep in mind though that when you go over there you won't be a teenager, and won't have the kind of free time that high school students have. You won't be living the kind of life in the workforce that she and her friends do now as kids.

It isnt really like that here. If you come from a good home, your parents say no. If you come from a broken home, your parents dont really care what you do.
I came from a pretty good home back in Australia, and my Mum never had a problem with me going out with my friends when I was 15 or so. She'd just hand me her mobile phone and tell me to call her if I needed to be picked up in an emergency. Again, this sort of thing depends a lot more on individual circumstances than on the country you live in.

Hey, Krexia, If I get a diploma of japanese languages , amoung other subjects, would that be enough to get me anywhere in Japan?
In terms of getting a visa, I'm not sure whether the diploma would count as the equivalent of a Bachelor's degree. I'd recommend calling your local Japanese consulate or embassy and asking them about that.

In terms of proof of Japanese language ability, the only qualification that is universally accepted is the 日本語能力試験 (Japanese Language Proficiency Test). Whatever university course or diploma you take, I'd recommend signing up for the JLPT exam afterwards just to get their certificate. Level 2 is generally considered enough to function in a business environment in Japanese. (The Australian Embassy in Tokyo sent out an email a while back saying they were looking for employees, and that applicants needed at least JLPT 2.)

I just wanna say, thanks krexia. I got a friend in a not so different situation as _EX and he also has plans to move out of his home. He's considering Japan as one of his options. Im gonna let him know all the information you just posted in this topic so he's well informed before he makes a decision.
Make sure he's aware that not all countries have a Working Holiday agreement with Japan. In particular, the United States does NOT, so if he's an American citizen then he won't be able to get a Working Holiday Visa.
 

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Sorry for the delayed response - been away at a conference all week.
Dont even worry about that. Im still very grateful for all of this.


You can study whatever you want, if all you plan to do is teach English. Again you don't really need any Japanese language ability for that. I studied science at uni so can't really help you with course/subject choices if you want to do languages :p
Thats pretty cool, considering you seem fluent in japanese now. I think my head start will pay off. My japanese teacher also works at the uni I am probably going to. He said that I would already be in the middle level class there. He also specifically told me I should talk to him if I want to go there. I know he has sweet hook ups there. I am very lucky. haha

Keep in mind though that when you go over there you won't be a teenager, and won't have the kind of free time that high school students have. You won't be living the kind of life in the workforce that she and her friends do now as kids.
!!! I recently learnt about this awesome thing they have at the university I will go to, IPC (international pasific college). Their sister school in Japan, IPU (international pasific university), has exchanges going for people wanting to turn their diploma into a degree. After the 1 year course in NZ, I can finish my diploma in Japan. I am hoping it isnt an exclusive exchange though. If I get it, the NZ govt will probably give me an allowance (they have this really good student allowance for exchanges and university. It is like $200 a week)
If all goes to plan, I will be studying Japanese and Japanese culture in Japan, while I am around 19! And, what better way to learn japanese than to socialise with Japanese speaking people. I could so call partying 'study'. Also, I love studying (proper studying) japanese, so I am suprisingly good at memorising vocab, I just need practice using it.
I am on my 7 or 8 week school holiday and I got next year's txt book. My goal is to memorise most, if not all of it, before school begins. After about 4 hours of practicing, I memorised about 65 words completely. That is good for me. If I keep that up, I will know all the words in my head so all that is left is to put them into my everyday usage, which will happen through socialising with my japanese friends.

I came from a pretty good home back in Australia, and my Mum never had a problem with me going out with my friends when I was 15 or so. She'd just hand me her mobile phone and tell me to call her if I needed to be picked up in an emergency. Again, this sort of thing depends a lot more on individual circumstances than on the country you live in.

I agree that it does depend on situations but there is no one I know, who comes from a loving and healthy home, who is allowed to do all that stuff. It just doesnt happen. I think NZ is different to Australia. But, I think you will agree that both countries are different to Japan.
In terms of proof of Japanese language ability, the only qualification that is universally accepted is the 日本語能力試験 (Japanese Language Proficiency Test). Whatever university course or diploma you take, I'd recommend signing up for the JLPT exam afterwards just to get their certificate. Level 2 is generally considered enough to function in a business environment in Japanese. (The Australian Embassy in Tokyo sent out an email a while back saying they were looking for employees, and that applicants needed at least JLPT 2.)

Thank you. I never thought of that. I have a friend who sucked at japanese and she got level 4 or something. That was also 2 and a half years ago. I think I will be 4 at least, hopefully better.
 

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I think my head start will pay off. My japanese teacher also works at the uni I am probably going to. He said that I would already be in the middle level class there. He also specifically told me I should talk to him if I want to go there. I know he has sweet hook ups there.
Awesome stuff. Contacts are VERY useful to have, so hang on to that one.

!!! I recently learnt about this awesome thing they have at the university I will go to ...
Great to hear you've been doing some research! That's really the most important thing: being aware of all the options you have, and thinking through the long-term implications, before rushing into making a decision. The diploma/exchange programme sounds great; there is absolutely no better way to learn a language than to live in the country and be surrounded by it every day. A lot of foreign undergrads come to my university in Japan on half-year or year-long exchange programmes to do just that.

Again though, if you're looking to get a Working Visa to Japan sometime in the future, look into whether the qualification you'll be getting is considered the equivalent of a Bachelor's degree.

But, I think you will agree that both countries are different to Japan.
I certainly would, but my comparative views of Japan would not be favourable :p

Thank you. I never thought of that. I have a friend who sucked at japanese and she got level 4 or something. That was also 2 and a half years ago. I think I will be 4 at least, hopefully better.
Yeah, Level 4 under the old system (Level 5 after the changes this year) is VERY basic stuff. You only need to know 100 kanji and some simple classroom phrases. Your goal with the JLPT should really be Level 2 - again, that's considered enough to function in a Japanese business environment. Level 1 is very tough; I only know a few foreigners who've taken and passed it, all people who've been living here and working with Japanese companies for years.
 

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Great to hear you've been doing some research! That's really the most important thing: being aware of all the options you have, and thinking through the long-term implications, before rushing into making a decision. The diploma/exchange programme sounds great; there is absolutely no better way to learn a language than to live in the country and be surrounded by it every day. A lot of foreign undergrads come to my university in Japan on half-year or year-long exchange programmes to do just that.
I have a feeling that the only way to go for a degree is to finish it in the Japanese school. I think it is part of the course in Japan too. They get a lot of people from Japan to come here to finish their degrees too. If it is exclusive, I will just have to study harder but I hope it isnt.

I certainly would, but my comparative views of Japan would not be favourable :p
In what way?

Seriously, thank you so much for all this. I really needed this help. Thank you!
 

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Short version? Sexism, xenophobia, social rigidity, and an aversion to anything even resembling lateral thinking or individuality.

I agree with the sexism part. My girlfriend and all her friends thought I was some Prince Charming because I waited two months before we had sex (she was my first time and I really wanted it to mean something first). They just couldnt believe it. It was only after the first week or two that she told me "we can do it if you want. I dont mind". They all think I am good because I helped her cook the one time we made dinner. haha. I guess they dont get that much respect in Japan. I can assure, it wont be like that. I like cooking and I dont get stressed or tired much so I think I will help her around the house. Of course that is if we get married (fingers crossed).

As for Xenophobia, I think I am pretty sorted for that. Worse comes to worse, I could have a job with her father in his restaurant till I can get myself sorted. Japanese girls think I am attractive. I know Japanese girls have a facination with western boys but I think I get a lot of attention from them (more than other guys, most of whom I would say are more attractive than me) so they always come up to me. As for guys, I have only talked to 3 japanese guys in depth, all of whom are my close friends. I understand you will be talking about employers not hiring white people but I think I can get by the business world with my contacts. Socially, I have no fear. haha.

Now, I noticed that lateral thinking one. I have talked to many Japanese people about why I dislike western culture (because of their Christian influence) and, dispite some actually going to christian schools in Japan, none of them made deep, personal, religious choices.
I am always looking at these things, how they work, what they mean for me, what the consequences are of it, etc. None of that crossed these people's minds (maybe it was just my friends). They either believed it or didnt. They either did what they were told or refused. There didnt seem to be any deep thought put into the choice. If that is what you mean by lateral thinking, then I understand completely. But, I still dont see it as a turn-off to japan.
Discussion of these topics seems to get me respect, though I know I am only passing on insight that I have heard from more intelligent people. I could get that to work to my advantage somehow. haha.

Just another question, if you dont mind. Can you tell me how many hours a day you think a teaching job would require?
I know the hours of school are different to us and I dont know about how many classes I would be likely to have a day.
I know it would depend on the school, but could you tell me how it was for you?
Thank you once again.
 

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Okay, here's a more complete rant about my problems with Japan.

With sexism, I'm not talking about sex. Plenty of people here have what I would consider very prudish attitudes to sex. I'm talking about feeling like I'm living in the world of Mad Men, about a society where ideas about gender roles are several decades behind the west, where women almost never return to work after giving birth, where women my age (25) are looked at askance if they don't have a boyfriend, where men are expected to work 70-hour weeks to provide for families they never see, where I can't find a single bra that isn't covered with lace and sparkles and flowers, where I'm told I'm not 'woman-like' if I do anything remotely assertive or aggressive, and where it's hot for women to be meek and submissive and look like they're in pain and embarrassed and say 'no' during sex.

That's not to say that Japan hasn't improved vastly since the time when my mother lived here, or that it isn't still improving now. But sexist gender roles are still very much more ingrained here than in western countries.

The xenophobia usually isn't anything malicious - I'm not sure it can always be called 'xenophobia' to be honest. But the simple fact is that if you don't look Japanese you will never be considered Japanese. I know a guy who's been living in Japan for forty years, has raised two kids here, and when the big bushfires hit Australia recently, had Japanese friends asking him if his house was okay. He hasn't owned a house in Australia for decades. Caucasians will always be seen as foreigners; even if you have close friends who accept that Japan is your permanent home, and allow you into their circle, you'll forever have people in shops and on trains assuming you're an American tourist, and people responding in broken English even when you ask them questions in perfect Japanese. This might not seem like a big deal, but it wears you down. I could never live permanently in a country where I wasn't accepted as belonging there - and a person with my hair and eye colour will never be accepted by Japanese society as one of their own.

The issue of individuality or lateral thinking is a result of the massive emphasis Japanese culture places on social harmony. Here, it's perfectly respectable to be a street sweeper or a train conductor or a check-out chick, because anyone who does their part as a cog in society is helping the greater good. Which is all well and good, but the obverse is that anything you do to try to swim against the tide is severely frowned upon. Rules are upheld for rules' sake, even when the letter of the law contradicts its intended purpose. To even question the Way Things Are is taboo most of the time - I've had my fair share of conversations that go around and around in circles, from "Why must I do this?" to "That's what the rule is," to "Why is that the rule?" to "That's what the rule is." You should have seen my coworkers' faces at our last conference, when I suggested we try to check in to our hotel ten minutes before official check-in time to beat the queues.

I think my favourite example, though, happened a few months ago. I was heading home on my lunch break, waiting to cross the one major road between my apartment and my lab. I cross this road several times a day, six days a week, and have the exact timing of the lights memorised. I was in the middle of unwrapping a lolly when they changed, but knew I had plenty of time to finish and then cross, so I didn't immediately start cycling when they went green. This threw the girl next to me into all sorts of confusion. She started forward, then stopped, looked at me, looked at the obviously green light, started moving forward again, looked back at me again, looked at the people already crossing from the other direction, and finally, almost reluctantly, continued across the road. I wasn't sure whether to laugh or cry. THE LIGHT IS GREEN, WOMAN. STOP STRESSING ABOUT WHETHER YOU SHOULD BE DOING WHAT I'M DOING - USE YOUR POWERS OF OBSERVATION AND MAKE A BLOODY DECISION.

And then there's the work ethic, where all the emphasis is on appearance rather than substance. When my mother worked at the Japanese consulate in Melbourne, she said that nobody would ever go home before the boss did - they would literally all sit at their desks doing nothing so that the boss would be impressed by their long hours. I have a friend who worked as an aerospace engineer in Nagoya for a while and told me similar stories. Her company generally works for foreign contractors, but occasionally some of her coworkers will be assigned to a Japanese defense force project - and it's always obvious when someone has been, because they're constantly exhausted. On seeing one of her coworkers walking around looking like death warmed up, she asked a friend if anything was wrong. Her friend explained that when working on defense force projects, the hours one puts in are what's important, much more so than the actual outcome. So despite the obviously negative effects of trying to deign aircraft with a sleep-deprived brain, this poor guy was spending over twenty hours a day at work trying to show how committed he was.

My lab isn't generally as bad; people stay late at night because they actually do work that hard. But then, working until after midnight every weeknight, as well as all day Saturday, comes with problems of its own.

When I did English teaching I worked with Gaba, and their system was very flexible - I'd literally mark out the hours I was available to work, and students could book a lesson with me during those hours. I used to work 5pm to midnight, because I'm a late sleeper anyway, and that gave me time to explore Tokyo during the afternoons. If you work at a school you'll probably keep school hours, which are maybe slightly longer than they are in NZ but not that bad.
 

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Well, I dont see most of that as negative. I will be fine.

I still want to live there. It is too late to turn back anyway, not that it would happen.
 
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