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Xion's Keyblade - or Roxas's?! [Discussion]



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SA, I respect your opinion, agree it is possibly, but personally disagree.
You can't disprove my theories with your opinion,
no more than I can disprove your theories with my opinions.

Only mine aren't opinions, they're facts. Read the SARs. Roxas = Sora's Nobody. Naminé = a by product.

Roxas= Sora's technical Nobody with Ven's heart as the base for Heart Reconstruction

Roxas might have a Heart but he's not a Heart o_O

Sora, not only a heart because not even Ansem SoK
couldn't take on human form without possession.

He held onto it just fine at the beginning, going by the Ansem Reports telling of how he seemingly had nothing changed in him after becoming only a Heart, and he kept governing Radiant Garden/Hollow Bastion for a while.

Sora's physical form was not incomplete, it was
his heart that was incomplete.

His Heart was complete o.o; nothing happened to it as far as we know. It was just lacking a body and soul

Roxas is connected to Sora who was strongly connected to Kairi. Perhaps a passed down connection.

Naminé = Sora and Kairi's connection.
Roxas = unrelated to Kairi.

And Xion and Aqua have nothing in common,
face, voice, appearence, height, etc.

You are blind then. Setting aside that in the recent scans Xion is a miniature Aqua rather than Kairi, Aqua and Kairi look more than enough alike. Xion looking like one of them = Xion looks like the other one too.

Of course all that I just said are my theories and interpretations. They're just as equally possible as anyone's.

Only other people actually read the secret ansem reports and pay attention to the games.
Naminé is a mystery. She was said to be not a Nobody; she was said to be only born through the process of one.
And here's a fun tidbit.

If she's Sora's Body and Soul why at the end did she return to Kairi?
 

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SA, I respect your opinion, agree it is possibly, but personally disagree.
You can't disprove my theories with your opinion,
no more than I can disprove your theories with my opinions.

Who's talking opinions? Roxas is Sora's body and soul. End of story. Otherwise he would NOT have returned; and Namine would have returned to Sora instead (which would make no sense, her being a girl).

Sora, not only a heart because not even Ansem SoK
couldn't take on human form without possession.
Sora's physical form was not incomplete, it was
his heart that was incomplete.

Doubt this. Possession by darkness, you mean? Kairi's a Princess of Heart. You could probably go so far as to say Sora was therefore possessed by the light.

Xion could come from Roxas, not as a left over
vessel but as a materialized form of something
inside Roxas connected to Sora/Kairi created
through the power of a heart.

Namine used this already. Three Nobodies from one heart leaving one body is asking too much in the first place.

And Xion and Aqua have nothing in common,
face, voice, appearence, height, etc.
The single similarity they have is that
they both can wield Keyblades and
while we're suggesting connections
because of that, why not just say
Xion is Riku's unbirth?

There is a certain similarity in hairstyle, and a lot of people seem to think that Aqua looks like an older Kairi to begin with (and since Xion is Kairi's doppleganger just like Namine, this would apply to her).

why not just say
Xion is Riku's unbirth?

Because Xion is not Riku's Unbirth. On the clocktower, Roxas says to Xion, "Xigbar says we're both special Nobodies."

Of course all that I just said are my theories
and interpretations. They're just as equally
possible as anyone's.

I would grudgingly and with a pained grimace say that this is possible, but not nearly as impossible as the notion that Riku is Sora's Nobody, which is another theory that was floating around for .02 of a second before it was heartlessly smashed. Equal possibility is an impossibility.
 

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SA, I respect your opinion, agree it is possibly, but personally disagree.
Contradictory Much?

And Xion and Aqua have nothing in common,
face, voice, appearence, height, etc.
The single similarity they have is that
they both can wield Keyblades and
while we're suggesting connections
because of that, why not just say
Xion is Riku's unbirth?

Have you not seen Xion and Aqua's pics side by side
They Do have similar Body features.
 
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Well Ansem's hypothesis was that Namine was composed of Sora's vessel.
I'm not saying that this is necessarily true, in fact there have been brilliant
theories in the past that have suggested something different. But I'm saying
that IF Ansem is right, then Roxas shouldn't even exist.

According to Ansem, Kairi's vessel (like all Persons of Pure Heart) couldn't
become a Nobody. Sora's vessel was used in Namine's composition. What
would Roxas be composed of then? Nobodies don't just spontaneously
materialize physical beings each time a heart seperates from a vessel.
Left over vessels take on activity as a Nobody. In Roxas' case though,
nothing is left over to become a Nobody so how was Roxas born?

In KH, we only know of one process that can create a new vessel,
Heart Reconstruction where Kairi's light revived Sora's heart which
reconstructed a new physical form for him. I personally think that
Roxas' physical form comes from Heart Reconstruction. (The details
are a bit complicated, but I am currently working on posting this
theory as a thread)

As for my theory about Xion, basically I think she is more of an
extension of the part of Sora/Kairi inside Roxas. Her physical
form ties in with another one of my theories about the
'second' (possible) process of a creation of a new physical
form that has occured in the series so far.

These theories are very unlikely but still possible.

Edit: And I said Xion came from Roxas, not Aqua.
I think Xion and Aqua are unconnected.
Never considered that Sora's body could have split? Or that Roxas would have been given the larger portion of Sora's shell while Nami only got a little?
 
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Eh, I didn't notice his one post.
Sora was only an existence of a heart at the end of KH1 -> the beginning of CoM.
Similar to Xehanort's Heartless. Similar to Riku.
They didnt get a second body made for them, they truly were just hearts.
 

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There appears to be alot of opposition towards my theories.
Though I agree that all the theories against my theories are
possible, they're still just theories and not fact.

lol though, that Xion being Riku's unbirth was just a joke, ha
(sadly, my open-mindedness make me agree such a thing is possible)
But anyway, it was a joke I made to point out how people are
jumping to conclusions with a Xion/Aqua connection.

Sora's vessel splitting in two? That's like saying 1=2
The way it was described, Namine gets the right arm
and left leg, and Roxas gets the torso and the other limbs.
Sorry but I strongly disagree with that and consider it
barely possible.

Sora being a Humans Heartless is not impossible but
we've never seen a human heartless so there's no
way to know if it's possible. Heart Reconstruction is
also not impossible and nothing make either idea
more likely than the other.

Alot of you have been stating that my idea doesn't
make sense because Namine faded into Kairi and
Roxas faded into Sora but I already considered that
when developing my theory and this is my response:
I think that certain key factors determine whose
Nobody is whose. In Namine's case, both Kairi and
Sora left an imprint on Sora's vessel but for some
reason Kairi's imprint was more dominant than
Sora's resulting in Namine to become primarily
Kairi's Nobody. This might be because Kairi's
heart is stronger since it is pure so maybe her
imprint was stronger too. As for Roxas, I think
he has a piece of Sora's essence in his heart,
perhaps this essence is responsible for Roxas
obtaining active force and a physical form. If
this essence was returned to Sora, Roxas might
fade back into Sora as well. Thus reasonable
explaination.

About Xion, don't get me wrong, I too was
anticipating an Aqua-based character to be
the 14th Member but when I heard she had
the same voice as Kairi, I knew my hopes
would be crushed. And now that her face
has been revealed, I am partly sad to say
Xion looks nothing like Aqua. It is possible
that the two are connected (even though
I don't think so) However, they look nothing
alike. Xion looks like Kairi, and Kairi looks
nothing like Aqua. (just like Ven looks
pretty much nothing like Sora)

I'm not trying to convince anyone that
my ideas are right and others are wrong.
I'm simply stating my opinion and trying
to show that my ideas are possible.
Trying to disprove theories with theories
is a terrible mistake, one I always avoid.
If I don't believe in a theory, I can at least
recognize it as possible and not try to
shove my theories down the throats of
others. Despite your confidence in what
you are saying, they're still just theories
and ultimately you can't prove them.

Narrow-mindedness is a curse.
 

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There appears to be alot of opposition towards my theories.
Though I agree that all the theories against my theories are
possible, they're still just theories and not fact.

This is a given. Also, there isn't "a lot of opposition." We're discussing and we disagree; if you're going to introduce a theory, this is the way it goes. You don't have to make it sound like you're under fire.

lol though, that Xion being Riku's unbirth was just a joke, ha
(sadly, my open-mindedness make me agree such a thing is possible)

It was used as an example. I also feel it is possible with the very slightest feeling I can possibly feel. In other words, my open-mindedness keeps me from discounting possibilities, but I hold others in higher regard. Just as you do.

But anyway, it was a joke I made to point out how people are
jumping to conclusions with a Xion/Aqua connection.

Still more are jumping to the conclusion that Xion MUST have resulted when Namine and Roxas did, despite the fact that Namine is already stretching the limits of believability.

Sora's vessel splitting in two? That's like saying 1=2
The way it was described, Namine gets the right arm
and left leg, and Roxas gets the torso and the other limbs.
Sorry but I strongly disagree with that and consider it
barely possible.

But it's possible for Sora's body to go to Kairi, whose body and heart are already intact, and for him to inherit Ven's without changing his appearance.

Sora being a Humans Heartless is not impossible but
we've never seen a human heartless so there's no
way to know if it's possible. Heart Reconstruction is
also not impossible and nothing make either idea
more likely than the other.

Xehanort's Heartless. I'm continually puzzled by Heart Reconstruction; Sora's heart was not destroyed, therefore there's nothing to reconstruct. Only a heart to be saved from the darkness, which is what Sora does every time he kills a Heartless.

Alot of you have been stating that my idea doesn't
make sense because Namine faded into Kairi and
Roxas faded into Sora but I already considered that
when developing my theory and this is my response:
I think that certain key factors determine whose
Nobody is whose. In Namine's case, both Kairi and
Sora left an imprint on Sora's vessel but for some
reason Kairi's imprint was more dominant than
Sora's resulting in Namine to become primarily
Kairi's Nobody. This might be because Kairi's
heart is stronger since it is pure so maybe her
imprint was stronger too. As for Roxas, I think
he has a piece of Sora's essence in his heart,
perhaps this essence is responsible for Roxas
obtaining active force and a physical form. If
this essence was returned to Sora, Roxas might
fade back into Sora as well. Thus reasonable
explaination.

This does not change the fact that Sora and Kairi are both receiving alien bodies. I find it much more plausible that Namine is less substantial than Roxas, which would account for her returning only to Kairi, who doesn't need much now that her body and heart have both been restored.

About Xion, don't get me wrong, I too was
anticipating an Aqua-based character to be
the 14th Member but when I heard she had
the same voice as Kairi, I knew my hopes
would be crushed. And now that her face
has been revealed, I am partly sad to say
Xion looks nothing like Aqua. It is possible
that the two are connected (even though
I don't think so) However, they look nothing
alike. Xion looks like Kairi, and Kairi looks
nothing like Aqua. (just like Ven looks
pretty much nothing like Sora)

Yes, she closely resembles Kairi. And yes, her hair looks like a mix of Kairi's and Aqua's. And yes, Namine's hair is the only thing that distinguishes her from Kairi in the first place. Ven resembles Sora less than Aqua resembles Kairi.

I'm not trying to convince anyone that
my ideas are right and others are wrong.
I'm simply stating my opinion and trying
to show that my ideas are possible.
Trying to disprove theories with theories
is a terrible mistake, one I always avoid.
If I don't believe in a theory, I can at least
recognize it as possible and not try to
shove my theories down the throats of
others. Despite your confidence in what
you are saying, they're still just theories
and ultimately you can't prove them.

You are making an argument. You can't make an argument without using supporting facts and without the desire to change someone's opinion; which is the definition of just about everyone on here. If you're not doing that, why are you here? The whole point is to contribute, discuss, allow your ideas to evolve, and when you are proven wrong, accept it.

Narrow-mindedness is a curse.

So is pomposity. Please stop making these veiled accusations, you're fooling no one. We have theories that we hold to be more plausible than others, just like you, and if you don't want us to bring them up, then yes. You're being narrow-minded.
 

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Um, yeah, I'm just starting to get a bit confused now with all the theorys going around and whatnot... But here's what I'm thinking: Xion isn't related to anyone! She's a whole new member that came from a whole new person! We'll find out about it once the game comes out, right? Yes?
 

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Um, yeah, I'm just starting to get a bit confused now with all the theorys going around and whatnot... But here's what I'm thinking: Xion isn't related to anyone! She's a whole new member that came from a whole new person! We'll find out about it once the game comes out, right? Yes?

I think you'd have to be blind to really believe that. At the most, if she's not related to the obvious option being Kairi, she's related to the somewhat less obvious option being Aqua. And that's assuming she's only related to one of them and not both.
 

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I think you'd have to be blind to really believe that. At the most, if she's not related to the obvious option being Kairi, she's related to the somewhat less obvious option being Aqua. And that's assuming she's only related to one of them and not both.

Okay, I forgot about Aqua. But Kairi already has a Nobody - Namine.
 

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Okay, I forgot about Aqua.


HOW DARE YOU?! :mad:

But Kairi already has a Nobody - Namine.

Made from Sora's Body and Soul if from anything at all.
Kairi had her own Body and Soul her Heart left behind, after all (not saying Xion, even if she really is Kairi's Nobody, is actually her Body and Soul, but Namine proved it's possible to result as a being called a Nobody even without truly being the Body and Soul that ended up on their own in the process).
 
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Um, yeah, I'm just starting to get a bit confused now with all the theorys going around and whatnot... But here's what I'm thinking: Xion isn't related to anyone! She's a whole new member that came from a whole new person! We'll find out about it once the game comes out, right? Yes?

I don't remember where the quote it, but I could of swore that Nomura said that she was the nobody of an existing KH character, not a new one. I not exactly sure if that pretains to Aqua or not, but I could see at least a link to Aqua, since Aqua also can wield a keyblade and by "wield," I mean use one without it disappearing from her hands. Oh, and yes, I know she can also summon it and what not, but she's a female wielder, which is something Kairi isn't, as Riku handed her that keyblade and not created the keyblade for her to wield, though he may of somehow created the chain for her.
 

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I don't remember where the quote it, but I could of swore that Nomura said that she was the nobody of an existing KH character, not a new one. I not exactly sure if that pretains to Aqua or not, but I could see at least a link to Aqua, since Aqua also can wield a keyblade and by "wield," I mean use one without it disappearing from her hands. Oh, and yes, I know she can also summon it and what not, but she's a female wielder, which is something Kairi isn't, as Riku handed her that keyblade and not created the keyblade for her to wield, though he may of somehow created the chain for her.

Then it it's an existing character that's not Kairi, then who could it be? Unless Namine could have a Nobody of her own? Is that possible?
 

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I don't remember where the quote it, but I could of swore that Nomura said that she was the nobody of an existing KH character, not a new one.

Closest thing I saw was that he said people already had theories about whose Nobody she was, and then brought up the question of who Xion really is - making for almost any and all notions of Kairi being her Somebody killed with fire.
Not saying they're not related, but it's obviously meant to mislead.

as Riku handed her that keyblade and not created the keyblade for her to wield, though he may of somehow created the chain for her.

1) the novels describe it as "something awoke inside him, like a buried Memory", bringing up the notion the Keychain was created then, yes.
2) Duel Wielding, lawl? Riku literally created the thing Kairi was holding, going by the simple fact that he was the one to have created the Keychain for that Keyblade.
And before people come and tell me "SORA GOT KEYCHAINS FROM OTHER PEOPLE!" I'll say stfu, game-play mechanics since obviously how Keychains are earned wasn't something to be dealt with yet, and that if they're so good at making Keychains, they should make a few Keyblades on the way, and then we can talk.

Then it it's an existing character that's not Kairi, then who could it be?

Kairi's post-puberty version, being Aqua? Lawl look alikes.
They're not Roxas and Ven, but they're close enough.

Aqua-Kairi.png


Unless Namine could have a Nobody of her own? Is that possible?

No.
 
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