I merely forgot him (because of how random he is here). I saw your posts in other threads, please don't think I have a grudge against Ventus and am taking it out in news articles :/
News ► Kingdom Hearts X[chi] 3rd Anniversary Key Art Released!
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Well, to be fair he IS the character furthest in the back but as Alpha Baymax and some others already pointed out, the seeming randomness might not be so random at all (note: I'll answer those theory-relating posts as well later on when I have more time at hand.
) and if I am not mistaken it is the first depiction of Ventus in official new material unrelated to BBS, so I am certain it would probably be wise to be not overlooked or swept under the rug.Nah, I'm not actually believing you'll be one to hold true grudges against fictional characters, it just came over as a little odd also since the article makes no more mention of him at all, only speaking about Riku's and Kairi's new duds.
As for the news article, shouldn't it be pointed out especially inside it that the guy depicted there is Ventus (If I recall correctly it was even you who found a japanese tweet confirming it) in order to reduce the amount of fans making the mistake to think it is Roxas?
The new outfits for Riku and Kairi are all fine and dandy, I'm also pretty hyped about them, but they are depicted in 99% of all new Nomura art anyways so characters depicted outside of them should probably be at least visibly pointed out.
Obviously Skuld is Kairi's Heartless.
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Sadly I think that they will stick with their clothes from previous titles :frown:
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Anyone have any ideas on why Ventus is missing that Keyblade armor pauldron in the artwork?
Pretty sure it's because, Ventus didn't gain his Keyblade Armor pauldron until he was in Master Eraqus' care.
Possibly because Riku destroyed the armor in DDD when it was possessed by a Nightmare?
Ah, right! I had something like this in mind but wasn't too sure. But yup, his sleeping body still has the armor pauldron.
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Who's that guy in the back of the Key Art? Is that supposed to be the player?
Actually, it's apparently Ventus.
Ventus. It's his jacket, arm band, and face.
Pardon me for not reading the thread, but I imagine Riku and Kairi have hoods to safely travel the dark realm with the Mickster. Big trouble for Sora when Riku and KaiKai hook up and share that paopu fruit if you get what I'm sayin
Of course that's also a possibility, no doubt.
Aha, so you're basing that assumption on the fact that Ephemera and Skuld are there too? Interesting approach.
An indirect connection at best though as Vanitas was only affected appearance-wise by Sora's and Ventus' new connection through his own connection to Ventus, there wasn't any true connection forged between Sora and Vanitas, which means Vanitas definitely cannot be counted in the same breath as Roxas, Xion and Ven who are directly connected with Sora.
For Roxas it is the same when one counts Ventus' connections as he's only connected to Ven through Sora.
The symbolism itself can still be viewed in many different ways even with this constellation. Heck, just as an example it is even possible that Ventus is placed there because in order to truly save him and wake him up, Sora will need something from Ephemera and/or Skuld, like some extra knowledge etc or if the theory is correct that Ventus' essence is the one to experience the events of Daybreak Town inside the dream world the positioning of the characters indicates that Ventus has learned now important knowledge that needs to be somehow relayed to SRK.
Roxas would still make less sense in the context of your main interpretation of the art piece being a KH III foreshadowing piece. Roxas is a being that didn't exist until the last third of KH 1 so him being placed there close to to Ephemera and Skuld would make less sense. Roxas could make sense if he was placed directly beside Sora, but then Kairi would also need to have Naminé beside her.
Lol, Sora himself stated that Roxas is not him, so that's that but this doesn't really affect the whole issue much anyways. ;P
How can you confidently make this claim if I may ask? Ephemera and Skuld might actually have no real impact or importance in person on KH III at all in the end. We do not even know if they will even make it through X[chi] and/or Unchained unscathed at the end.
Chirithy is a Dream eater and those have already made an appearance in the current era, so going by that I'd say the prospect of a Chirithy making an appearance actually isn't too slim.
We can't really make any assumptions on Terra's or Aqua's past though as there was never any hint towards it. Ventus' past isn't even that ambigious as the Xehanort Reports pretty clearly state what happened: Xehanort found him somewhere on his travels through the worlds, recognized the kid's potential and decided to take him as a pupil. It might actually have played out in a similar manner to how Terra acted with Riku, the main difference being that Xehanort took Ven with him directly.
I'm actually somewhat in awe that you can get such a firm belief on such a thing from merely one piece of art, lol.
It is not "only" because it is an artwork, but because this is the "only" thing the theory has going for it so far which can be seen as overthinking the issue.
That the spacing and placement of the characters in the artwork (and Ventus being the only BBS character) must mean something more is what is the pretty bold statement here.
That's good to hear as indeed none of my tearing into such theories is ever meant as an attack, but as an incentive to try and give the theory in question more weight by digging for further possible hints or implications.
I do not rule out that theory in the slightest, in fact I do think that it might be truly possible. I just won't take it as the primary theory I follow because I think the hints towards this specific course of events are still too thin.
I have the usual modus operandi to keep several theories about an issue in my range of vision and which one becomes my favorite to follow is normally decided over time when more hints and implications become available to support some theories better or less.
To be fully honest anything is better than the Reincarnation theory as it would provide the KH original character cast with actual new characters that are neither clones nor overly "forcibly connected" to already existing characters. For example a lot of Aqua's popularity comes from the fact that she isn't too deeply connected with any pre-existing character.
That's what I think as well, maybe Ventus' body and Aqua not aging was actually a sort of foreshadowing on this procedure also being possible on a grander scope.
I dunno about the actual pods though as Sora's body most likely kept aging because his heart was still inside and somewhat active.
I'm pretty convinced that his inclusion here is supposed to foreshadow something, I'm just not yet ready to cling to any specific theory about it.
I'd say it is more because his heart isn't in his body anymore. With the body strictly spoken "not being in use" and thus there being no energy consumption from the soul the aging process might be halted until Ven's heart is returned to the body.
After all, bodies in KH are nothing more than physical shells and "meatbags" for the immortal heart to use and control in order to interact with the physical word.
Maybe Aqua meets Joshua in the RoD and he takes her on a shopping trip for the most fancy new clothes. He's an expert in such things after all and since the Moogles are extremely crafty I wouldn't be surprised if there's a hidden Moogle-shop somewhere in the RoD that also sells clothes.
And that's what bothers me a little since why does Ven need to be with Aqua or Terra all the time? The last third of his story in BBS actually dealt with the topic of him learning to be less overreliant on Terra and Aqua, not to mention that Aqua has been portrayed more than once already as a "sole Birth by Sleep" representative. Sora or Riku are also often portrayed without each other. You don't need to always portray the whole trios.
To be honest the general premise of individuals surviving the legendary Keyblade War and still being alive at the current age is a huge hole in itself. One of the main reasons Xehanort is craving to do another Keyblade War is because of his immense curiosity to learn what exactly happened back then in that "time of legends". If there would be still people around who actually experienced it Xehanort would not need all this bullshit of re-creating it, he could just ask/interrogate some of those survivors.
That a body can be kept non-aging for at least a decade has been proven with Ventus, so it can be assumed that with the right magical and/or technological equipment this can be possibly done for an even longer period.
And hey, if that is too far-fetched maybe Ventus can also either just be the descendant of one or more of the original Dandelions or somehow inherited some of their powers.
Of course, lol, I didn't really mean the last thing seriously.
My statement about Riku destroying it was obviously a joke, lol. The whole thing took place inside Sora's heart so there's no way that this would have been Ven's actual physical armor.
I'm not sure if you're joking or serious but that guy behind Ephemera is Ventus. Y'know, the little guy from Birth by Sleep looking like Roxas' twin.
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I still don't see the appeal of Riku's outfit.
At least the cosplay would only cost around $20.
Like, with Sora and Kairi's outfits, Nomura has clearly looked at their previous ones when designing the news ones (and even seemingly gave Kairi Foreteller hood ears) but with Riku it's like he completely disregarded Riku's previous outfits and designed him like he just walked out of the dollar store.
On one hand the outfit continues his theme of his clothes lighter each iteration (I walk the road to dawn!) Except the black hoodie doesn't fit that (though black has been used in all his previous outfits but not to such a degree) Why not white or yellow? Or white and yellow? Secondly he's never worn a hood outside of the Org. coat, and that was out of necessity.
The outfit also seems it may have sleeves, which Riku, whether it was for freedom of movement or just to show off his muscley shoulders, has never worn sleeves. And again the only time he did wear sleeves was out of necessity.
He's also never worn a shirt before that we know of. He's only worn zipped up sleeveless jackets before now (and in KHII he wore two sleeveless jackets.)
Going from Riku's previous outfits he seems to prefer loose pants with sleeveless, hoodless, formfitting jackets. Which makes sense as both gives him maximum movement. Yet he's been giving a jacket (with sleeves and a floppy, easily grabbable hood) that could obstruct his movement!
I will say that if we find out that this is simply his casual clothes, I'll be perfectly fine with it. But if this is what Riku is going to fight in, then it goes against his character.
Another thing is wooooow that's a lot of black and red.
This isn't 2006. It hasn't been 2006 for 10 years. Give me color damn it!!
At least when it comes to Ephemera and Skuld, the majority of X[chi]'s original character are very colorful, so them in mostly black isn't a big deal.
But team hoodie has only two colors. Two. Black and red. Sora is in black and red. Kairi is in red and black. And Riku is just in black. What the fire engine, Nomura? Did you forget there are other colors besides black and red?
At least the cosplay would only cost around $20.
Like, with Sora and Kairi's outfits, Nomura has clearly looked at their previous ones when designing the news ones (and even seemingly gave Kairi Foreteller hood ears) but with Riku it's like he completely disregarded Riku's previous outfits and designed him like he just walked out of the dollar store.
On one hand the outfit continues his theme of his clothes lighter each iteration (I walk the road to dawn!) Except the black hoodie doesn't fit that (though black has been used in all his previous outfits but not to such a degree) Why not white or yellow? Or white and yellow? Secondly he's never worn a hood outside of the Org. coat, and that was out of necessity.
The outfit also seems it may have sleeves, which Riku, whether it was for freedom of movement or just to show off his muscley shoulders, has never worn sleeves. And again the only time he did wear sleeves was out of necessity.
He's also never worn a shirt before that we know of. He's only worn zipped up sleeveless jackets before now (and in KHII he wore two sleeveless jackets.)
Going from Riku's previous outfits he seems to prefer loose pants with sleeveless, hoodless, formfitting jackets. Which makes sense as both gives him maximum movement. Yet he's been giving a jacket (with sleeves and a floppy, easily grabbable hood) that could obstruct his movement!
I will say that if we find out that this is simply his casual clothes, I'll be perfectly fine with it. But if this is what Riku is going to fight in, then it goes against his character.
Another thing is wooooow that's a lot of black and red.
This isn't 2006. It hasn't been 2006 for 10 years. Give me color damn it!!
At least when it comes to Ephemera and Skuld, the majority of X[chi]'s original character are very colorful, so them in mostly black isn't a big deal.
But team hoodie has only two colors. Two. Black and red. Sora is in black and red. Kairi is in red and black. And Riku is just in black. What the fire engine, Nomura? Did you forget there are other colors besides black and red?
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At this point in my life, I might consider paying good money to see that happen. Just so the SoKai and SoRiku fans will get mad.
Note that I'm saying this as someone who ships SoKai like air, also ships SoRiKai, and is even shipping SoRiku some these days.
I'm just sick of the fandumb when it comes to Riku and Kairi's relationship. They have a great one, and are best friends (hello, KHII). Their interactions needs developed, sure, but I'm so sick of people being like, "OMG, Riku and Kairi absolutely despise each other and just somewhat tolerate each other because of Sora."
So if this were to happen, it would be a good "in your face, Fandom!" moment. Plus, I like RiKai. It's pretty dang original, and actually could be amazing if done right.
Not that KH is about pairings or anything, but you get what I mean.
(Also, please no one take this post too seriously. I don't have a vendetta against you or your ships, for as I said above I actually care for those couples quite a lot. I'm not going to pressure Square to do this or anything. I'm just mainly joking that this would be just desserts, because the very vocal fandumb really, really annoys me at times.)
@FudgemintGuardian I feel like Nomura has mistaken this for "The Mortal Instruments" series, where the good Shadowhunters wore black gear in the last book and the evil ones wore red (except it's switched here). Clearly "Color Coordinated for Your Continence" will be a thing in III
And it could be worse. Remember when everyone in Advent Children only wore black? Because I do, and it still drives me insane to this day (even though I get why that was).
I'm so excited for the VII Remake, so that we can see Marlene in her purple dress, Yuffie in some green, and some red on Tifa. Oh! And Aerith in her classic pink dress, of course
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Forgive me for stating the obvious here, FG, but don't you suppose that it's likely the entire picture was tinted red and that the actual outfits will be more varied in color.
I think there's more to it than meets the eye. I don't think he'll completely drop the yellow, just like he never completely dropped the red in Sora's outfit. Riku is a combination of white, black, and yellow, and blue/jean. We're just missing the yellow. He looks like he's still wearing blue jeans even if they're a bit darker. His shirt is mostly white again still. His hoodie has the black. We just gotta figure out where the yellow will be. Will it be left to only accents like buttons and zippers? Will the back of his coat have some yellow designs on it?
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