(i hope this is the correct place to post something like this... but looking at some other threads it seems to be the case)
As it was foreshadowed in the ending of KH3 it looks like the next big clash is going to be between Sora & Co. versus The Foretellers, Luxu & MoM. So that has me thinking since I saw that scene and the reappearance of four of the five maskedidiots Masters how all of this is even supposed to play out? Other than before these guys aren’t your typical bad guys... well for the most part atleast (Aced and Luxu, Gula just maybe, but we lack, as far as I know, confirmation in his case). On top of that other than both of the Organisations - or the Disney villain syndicate of KH1 - they already proved that they have a hard time with sticking together in order to reach a shared goal. Yes, both Organisations had a hard time with traitors, too, but they atleast were capable of coming close to fulfilling their goals - or they thought so for the most part. They on the other hand did the exact opposite of what they initially planned to do.
Aside from Luxu none of them should even have control over most known enemy types. Maybe they can get some planless-Nobodies on their side (if they even want them) or Dreameater spirits, but so far they seem to lack something like this. Is a new enemy type coming or are they going to operate on their own? Or could a dark-turned Ava or Luxu, who acts in the old ways, while the others aren’t looking, give us something in that direction? Vanitas & Malefiz could maybe jump in here and there, but would be more like a third party, but i digress...
There are probably a lot more questions, which could be asked about this, which are admittedly hard to answer at the time. Still I’ld like to share some ideas of my own regarding all of this. Maybe someone elses imagination has already worked out something similar or has anything to add to all of this.
So where to start? First of all I should mention that I forgot about the one year time skip while writing this - as in what they have done in the meantime - so that is an aspect I didn’t considered. Maybe they just used the time in order to get a picture of the state of the worlds now?
Important to all of this would be a look at what the goals of each one of The Foretellers are going to have. For this there is already some ground work given to us by the whole chi/UX/whatever.
A shared goal between them - or most of them - is likely to getting MoM and Ava back, so they need to gather information. But the way they are going to approach this is already a point where they are likely to separate from one another. I do think each of them is going to visit one of the KH original worlds in order to follow their own agenda, but also working for getting more information about what happened to the people mentioned above. Additionally we can get some character introduction, without letting the GoL know from the start that they are the enemy, so the introductions aren’t bound to be hostile in most cases (looking at both Orgs. here and most Disney villains, MX at the start of BBS is the only exception I can think of atm)
Currently I see them separating like this:
Ira
World: Twilight Town
Goals: Reforming the old keyblade society, which came close to dying out.
As the former (?) leader of the Foretellers it’s likely that Ira will put effort into trying to bring the numbers of Keyblade wielders back to the state it once was together with getting them on a reasonable skill level... or atleast as good as it’s possible. Together with Invi he was one of the more reasonable Foretellers, who cared deeply about his duties, so it wouldn’t be a suprise if he would try to fix what he has helped breaking.
Twilight Town doesn’t only already have three potentially recrutable keyblade wielders, it’s also the world where the most potential new recruits should be findable (aside from Radiant Garden and other worlds we don’t know yet). Seifer as example could be jealous of RAX + Isa, since they can now easily push him away when he’s once again trying to act as if he is the top dog of the town (Isa vs. Seifer when? I’ld like to see that onesided beatdown). He would search for ways to become more even with the others and getting a keyblade would be one way (or falling for the powers of darkness Riku KH1 style, but I hope for something new). This doesn’t mean Ira is going to ask just everyone, but he would scout for recruits. As an example a new struggle tournament would be very fitting to this.
The mansion would serve as Ira’s base, which could become a place where new keyblade wielders could be trained. The connection between him and the mansion was made before (the unicorn statue), so I think it’s atleast a good bet.
Thematically all of this would also clash really well with RAX dynamic, who would be very suspicious of anyone trying to recruit people in some group, even more when that man starts to try to get themself joining. It would clash with their wish to live more relax and normal lives with their friends (okay, we don’t really know what they want, but I do think it should come close to this). It’s unlikely that someone like Ira would pass the chance to get them on his side, but he wouldn’t use force against them. Except... I wonder if the (former?) nobodies have still access to the corridors of darkness and if they still use them in order to visit the others? Because if they do, the Unicorn could see a reason to become more hostile. This could happen either by violence or - which I’ld like a bit more - by mouth propganda and starting claiming among his students that they are evil just because they use the Darkness in any way, which i can think of becoming a shared theme among the Foretellers.
I’m also wondering what the Foretellers are thinking about Isa, if Luxu is telling them anything about him. If he (Luxu) leaves nothing out - which is a question on it's own - the same could be said about himself, but a former, voluntary member of the Seeker of Darkness isn’t going to get a easy time with these guys around. Atleast I have a hard time thinking about it otherwise.
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Aced
World: Land of Departure
Goals: Becoming a king, searching for people who could serve him. More quality, allready-trained focused than Ira in that regard.
He wishes to become a king, so he is going to a world with a throne in it. Well, ‘The world which never was’ has thrones as well, but the Land of Departure is more fitting in my mind. Ven, Aqua and Terra are all professional trained keyblade wielders, one of them even a master and Aced will surely try to get them as his knights (a king needs knights, thats so simple, I see him using this argument)... with force, when they decline. For now they are in the Dark Realm, but I’m sure they will at some point clash with him and will provide us with the first serious combat interaction between a Foreteller and the GoL (when they return and find him sitting on the throne?). Aced is the biggest troublemaker and should serve as a good warning for the others GoL, which power level these guys have. My prediction is that Aced is going to beat them on the first clash. I’ld favor one by one - or only one of them - in order to avoid damaging their reputation to much (as bad as it would already be). Sidenote: I wonder if one of the Foretellers is going to recognize Ven as a former Union member, but I can’t imagine it to be Aced. Ven doesn’t strike me as someone, who would join Aceds Union, if he is even a little bit informed about him.
With Terra we even have a potential rivalry between him and Aced. They share a lot of traits (big strength, not the smartest), but also have something what makes them different from one another. Terra once failed to control his emotions and darkness, but learned from his mistakes. Aced on the other side is Terras (once) worst traits taken to the worst. Short temperament, trust issues and tends to solve his problems by force. On the other side, Terra having an affinity to Darkness could easily turn into a reason for Aced to eliminate him on the spot. This is also in my eyes the most likely spark to ignite a fight between him and the wayfinder trio and by extension the other GoL once they are getting informed. It would lead to more distrust when they have to deal with the other Foretellers.
Additionally, this whole scenario would also be a good setup to get Castle Oblivion back, atleast if Aqua is given the time and chance. It’s a far more better place to run and hide from Aced and a return of it is kinda needed in my opinion in order to release Vens lost memories (Aceds memories of Daybreak town -> trigger for Ven and maybe the others from back then, too if Lauriam isn’t going to do that for them). Plus we still need to see Luxord in there in action. It should be also a great tool in order to confuse Aced... yes I wanna see that.
Aside from all of this the Land of Departure could also provide knowledge for the Foretellers. I can’t imagine that this place has no library or anything similar. It would serve the shared goal of the Foretellers of searching for clues.
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Invi
World: Radiant Garden
Goals: Helping in Iras plans, but is more focused on gathering information about the lost
Other than the other two, I don’t have any big lore reasons why she should visit this place. But some points are there. Aside from Ira she is the most fitting for coming into contact with Ansem the wise and his students. She is calmer as the rest and the whole water theme in Radiant Garden would fit her aswell. It’s a stretch, I admit that, but in my head she just fits in there.
She wouldn't antagonize anyone, atleast not on the same levels as the others. But her worldview and how much she looked up to the MoM and the whole deal with the betrail of the students or Ansem the Wise, who became unloyal and ended up regretting everything, should give us potential for an interesting conflict.
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Gula
World: Traverse Town?
Goal: Trying to find Ava?
No good idea yet in his case. Maybe Traverse Town? Visiting the world where people whose worlds were swallowed by darkness are stranding should serve as a possible starting point. If not for MoM then atleast for Ava, who was the closest to him being a friend. After all, after their keyblade war the world was covered in darkness, so if she didn’t manage to do the same thing as the others, she would most likely end up here. But that’s probably not in the slightest the case, since she would still need to make the jump through time.
Other places he could be visiting would be places connected to Kingdom Hearts. He planned to summon it previously in order to lure out MoM, so he could still be interested into learning new details about it. But I don't see this being the case, when MoM haven't been reappearing at the other occasions, where KH appeared.
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Luxu
Worlds: Everywhere and nowhere - mostly the Keyblade Gravejard as a place to hide?
Goal: No idea
His case is of course more difficult. Everyone of the main cast knows him solely as a bad guy - which he probably still is - so showing any kind of connection to the others would be a bad move, if they intend to make a non hostile approach at first. He will most likely stay in the shadows, pop up here and there in front of the protagonists and is going to make sure that the others aren’t starting to smash their heads in again.
All of this would be the more interesting approach in my opinion, the other and shorter would be, that my guess on the black box is correct, there is something in it what is going to corrupt them (my bet is on a sturdy mirror) and turn them into bad guys. Sort of what I imagine happened to Luxu. He opened the box after the Fortellers war, looked into it (MoM with a dubious voice: “You’ll see.”), got corrupted into the Braig/Xigbar we know and is going to do the same with his buddies, so they can fit their sin. Well... both the above and this could happen in some other way.
At the start the Foretellers aren't going to work closely together with the others (exception Ira and Invi) - any maybe even step in when as example Aced is causing troubles again - so pushing one of them away, if they overstep boundaries, by working together, could work out, but the further we go in the new saga, the more they are going to work together again - probably then thanks to the comeback of MoM - and won't become less of a threat.
By this time there should also have been enough time for introducing some kind of enemy type, which they are going to commend, if they don't simply fall to darkness.
One final note, Scala is my guess for their meeting world. The top of the tower to be precise. If that world doesn't exists at the moment, they could have a way to get it back.
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So overall my guess with them is, that most of them won't start as being antagonistic towards the GoL, but over the course of time they will rub against each other more and more with their different worldviews, especially their view on Darkness (any user of darkness, no matter if former or not = bad vs. it's dangerous, but not everyone who has ties to darkness is automatically bad (Terra, Riku, Anems students)) and their other goals. They would be more of grayish type of antagonists, opposed to the all-evil Xehanorts we have learned knowing and hating before.
This was now a big wall of text, but I hope I was capable to give you a picture of how I imagine our new bad guys could work in a way, which we haven't had yet in KH and that you developed some ideas of your own regarding this - something which could add up to this (as example to the Gula part, where I'm mostly clueless) or something else^^ Or just take it apart, because of some other aspects I didn't thought about.
As it was foreshadowed in the ending of KH3 it looks like the next big clash is going to be between Sora & Co. versus The Foretellers, Luxu & MoM. So that has me thinking since I saw that scene and the reappearance of four of the five masked
Aside from Luxu none of them should even have control over most known enemy types. Maybe they can get some planless-Nobodies on their side (if they even want them) or Dreameater spirits, but so far they seem to lack something like this. Is a new enemy type coming or are they going to operate on their own? Or could a dark-turned Ava or Luxu, who acts in the old ways, while the others aren’t looking, give us something in that direction? Vanitas & Malefiz could maybe jump in here and there, but would be more like a third party, but i digress...
There are probably a lot more questions, which could be asked about this, which are admittedly hard to answer at the time. Still I’ld like to share some ideas of my own regarding all of this. Maybe someone elses imagination has already worked out something similar or has anything to add to all of this.
So where to start? First of all I should mention that I forgot about the one year time skip while writing this - as in what they have done in the meantime - so that is an aspect I didn’t considered. Maybe they just used the time in order to get a picture of the state of the worlds now?
Important to all of this would be a look at what the goals of each one of The Foretellers are going to have. For this there is already some ground work given to us by the whole chi/UX/whatever.
A shared goal between them - or most of them - is likely to getting MoM and Ava back, so they need to gather information. But the way they are going to approach this is already a point where they are likely to separate from one another. I do think each of them is going to visit one of the KH original worlds in order to follow their own agenda, but also working for getting more information about what happened to the people mentioned above. Additionally we can get some character introduction, without letting the GoL know from the start that they are the enemy, so the introductions aren’t bound to be hostile in most cases (looking at both Orgs. here and most Disney villains, MX at the start of BBS is the only exception I can think of atm)
Currently I see them separating like this:
Ira
World: Twilight Town
Goals: Reforming the old keyblade society, which came close to dying out.
As the former (?) leader of the Foretellers it’s likely that Ira will put effort into trying to bring the numbers of Keyblade wielders back to the state it once was together with getting them on a reasonable skill level... or atleast as good as it’s possible. Together with Invi he was one of the more reasonable Foretellers, who cared deeply about his duties, so it wouldn’t be a suprise if he would try to fix what he has helped breaking.
Twilight Town doesn’t only already have three potentially recrutable keyblade wielders, it’s also the world where the most potential new recruits should be findable (aside from Radiant Garden and other worlds we don’t know yet). Seifer as example could be jealous of RAX + Isa, since they can now easily push him away when he’s once again trying to act as if he is the top dog of the town (Isa vs. Seifer when? I’ld like to see that onesided beatdown). He would search for ways to become more even with the others and getting a keyblade would be one way (or falling for the powers of darkness Riku KH1 style, but I hope for something new). This doesn’t mean Ira is going to ask just everyone, but he would scout for recruits. As an example a new struggle tournament would be very fitting to this.
The mansion would serve as Ira’s base, which could become a place where new keyblade wielders could be trained. The connection between him and the mansion was made before (the unicorn statue), so I think it’s atleast a good bet.
Thematically all of this would also clash really well with RAX dynamic, who would be very suspicious of anyone trying to recruit people in some group, even more when that man starts to try to get themself joining. It would clash with their wish to live more relax and normal lives with their friends (okay, we don’t really know what they want, but I do think it should come close to this). It’s unlikely that someone like Ira would pass the chance to get them on his side, but he wouldn’t use force against them. Except... I wonder if the (former?) nobodies have still access to the corridors of darkness and if they still use them in order to visit the others? Because if they do, the Unicorn could see a reason to become more hostile. This could happen either by violence or - which I’ld like a bit more - by mouth propganda and starting claiming among his students that they are evil just because they use the Darkness in any way, which i can think of becoming a shared theme among the Foretellers.
I’m also wondering what the Foretellers are thinking about Isa, if Luxu is telling them anything about him. If he (Luxu) leaves nothing out - which is a question on it's own - the same could be said about himself, but a former, voluntary member of the Seeker of Darkness isn’t going to get a easy time with these guys around. Atleast I have a hard time thinking about it otherwise.
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Aced
World: Land of Departure
Goals: Becoming a king, searching for people who could serve him. More quality, allready-trained focused than Ira in that regard.
He wishes to become a king, so he is going to a world with a throne in it. Well, ‘The world which never was’ has thrones as well, but the Land of Departure is more fitting in my mind. Ven, Aqua and Terra are all professional trained keyblade wielders, one of them even a master and Aced will surely try to get them as his knights (a king needs knights, thats so simple, I see him using this argument)... with force, when they decline. For now they are in the Dark Realm, but I’m sure they will at some point clash with him and will provide us with the first serious combat interaction between a Foreteller and the GoL (when they return and find him sitting on the throne?). Aced is the biggest troublemaker and should serve as a good warning for the others GoL, which power level these guys have. My prediction is that Aced is going to beat them on the first clash. I’ld favor one by one - or only one of them - in order to avoid damaging their reputation to much (as bad as it would already be). Sidenote: I wonder if one of the Foretellers is going to recognize Ven as a former Union member, but I can’t imagine it to be Aced. Ven doesn’t strike me as someone, who would join Aceds Union, if he is even a little bit informed about him.
With Terra we even have a potential rivalry between him and Aced. They share a lot of traits (big strength, not the smartest), but also have something what makes them different from one another. Terra once failed to control his emotions and darkness, but learned from his mistakes. Aced on the other side is Terras (once) worst traits taken to the worst. Short temperament, trust issues and tends to solve his problems by force. On the other side, Terra having an affinity to Darkness could easily turn into a reason for Aced to eliminate him on the spot. This is also in my eyes the most likely spark to ignite a fight between him and the wayfinder trio and by extension the other GoL once they are getting informed. It would lead to more distrust when they have to deal with the other Foretellers.
Additionally, this whole scenario would also be a good setup to get Castle Oblivion back, atleast if Aqua is given the time and chance. It’s a far more better place to run and hide from Aced and a return of it is kinda needed in my opinion in order to release Vens lost memories (Aceds memories of Daybreak town -> trigger for Ven and maybe the others from back then, too if Lauriam isn’t going to do that for them). Plus we still need to see Luxord in there in action. It should be also a great tool in order to confuse Aced... yes I wanna see that.
Aside from all of this the Land of Departure could also provide knowledge for the Foretellers. I can’t imagine that this place has no library or anything similar. It would serve the shared goal of the Foretellers of searching for clues.
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Invi
World: Radiant Garden
Goals: Helping in Iras plans, but is more focused on gathering information about the lost
Other than the other two, I don’t have any big lore reasons why she should visit this place. But some points are there. Aside from Ira she is the most fitting for coming into contact with Ansem the wise and his students. She is calmer as the rest and the whole water theme in Radiant Garden would fit her aswell. It’s a stretch, I admit that, but in my head she just fits in there.
She wouldn't antagonize anyone, atleast not on the same levels as the others. But her worldview and how much she looked up to the MoM and the whole deal with the betrail of the students or Ansem the Wise, who became unloyal and ended up regretting everything, should give us potential for an interesting conflict.
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Gula
World: Traverse Town?
Goal: Trying to find Ava?
No good idea yet in his case. Maybe Traverse Town? Visiting the world where people whose worlds were swallowed by darkness are stranding should serve as a possible starting point. If not for MoM then atleast for Ava, who was the closest to him being a friend. After all, after their keyblade war the world was covered in darkness, so if she didn’t manage to do the same thing as the others, she would most likely end up here. But that’s probably not in the slightest the case, since she would still need to make the jump through time.
Other places he could be visiting would be places connected to Kingdom Hearts. He planned to summon it previously in order to lure out MoM, so he could still be interested into learning new details about it. But I don't see this being the case, when MoM haven't been reappearing at the other occasions, where KH appeared.
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Luxu
Worlds: Everywhere and nowhere - mostly the Keyblade Gravejard as a place to hide?
Goal: No idea
His case is of course more difficult. Everyone of the main cast knows him solely as a bad guy - which he probably still is - so showing any kind of connection to the others would be a bad move, if they intend to make a non hostile approach at first. He will most likely stay in the shadows, pop up here and there in front of the protagonists and is going to make sure that the others aren’t starting to smash their heads in again.
All of this would be the more interesting approach in my opinion, the other and shorter would be, that my guess on the black box is correct, there is something in it what is going to corrupt them (my bet is on a sturdy mirror) and turn them into bad guys. Sort of what I imagine happened to Luxu. He opened the box after the Fortellers war, looked into it (MoM with a dubious voice: “You’ll see.”), got corrupted into the Braig/Xigbar we know and is going to do the same with his buddies, so they can fit their sin. Well... both the above and this could happen in some other way.
At the start the Foretellers aren't going to work closely together with the others (exception Ira and Invi) - any maybe even step in when as example Aced is causing troubles again - so pushing one of them away, if they overstep boundaries, by working together, could work out, but the further we go in the new saga, the more they are going to work together again - probably then thanks to the comeback of MoM - and won't become less of a threat.
By this time there should also have been enough time for introducing some kind of enemy type, which they are going to commend, if they don't simply fall to darkness.
One final note, Scala is my guess for their meeting world. The top of the tower to be precise. If that world doesn't exists at the moment, they could have a way to get it back.
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So overall my guess with them is, that most of them won't start as being antagonistic towards the GoL, but over the course of time they will rub against each other more and more with their different worldviews, especially their view on Darkness (any user of darkness, no matter if former or not = bad vs. it's dangerous, but not everyone who has ties to darkness is automatically bad (Terra, Riku, Anems students)) and their other goals. They would be more of grayish type of antagonists, opposed to the all-evil Xehanorts we have learned knowing and hating before.
This was now a big wall of text, but I hope I was capable to give you a picture of how I imagine our new bad guys could work in a way, which we haven't had yet in KH and that you developed some ideas of your own regarding this - something which could add up to this (as example to the Gula part, where I'm mostly clueless) or something else^^ Or just take it apart, because of some other aspects I didn't thought about.