mistyElk0 said:
It could not be a clone. they called SORA the shell. (plus how do you explain the partners that BHK has.)
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It could not be a clone. they called SORA the shell. (plus how do you explain the partners that BHK has.)
maybe sora's the clone-he just dnt know it.....?
No thats not possible. he has been on destiny Island since he was born.
Odion said:
I thought you couldn't be more wrong when I first read, "The Present world......in KH" But when I read, "BHK is a form of Sora" I knew I was wrong.
1. We don't know if the Organization are DiZ's minions. You're wrong on that.
2. You stated wrong. Ansem was talking about when you plunge into Darkness or your heart is stolen by a Heartless the body[+ soul/shell] must go somewhere and that it must be existing somewhere else. So the BHK can not be a form of Sora unless he was his shell which is also impossible.
3. The present world was not taken care of in KH. Darkness was the main subject in KH. Twilight is the subject of KH2. And Present is Darkness, Light, and Twilight. So I doubt they will have Present as a subject. And Light may be the possible subject of the possible KH3.
4. The Dusk being souless does not make a lot of sense. THE SOUL STAYS WITH THE BODY THEREFORE IT BECOMES A SHELL AND NOT A SOULESS.
Sora is n1 said:
That's impossible. That is so wrong.
Sora is n1 said:
1. DON'T DOUBLE POST
2. AXEL IS NOT SORA'S SHELL.
Odion said:
GOD, YOU ARE A FREAKING LIAR. YOU JUST MAKE STUFF UP SO YOU CAN SEEM RIGHT BUT IN FACT YOU'RE SO WRONG.
SORA IS THE KEYBLADE MASTER OF LIGHT NOT TWILIGHT. AND THATS DEFINIATELY NOT WHY HIS CLOTHES HAVE CHANGED. AND HE HAS NO TWILIGHT SYMBOL ON HIM.
Sora is n1 said:
Sora has a physical form which means he has a shell. So no one else can be his shell.
Odion said:
Sora plunged into Darkness, his heart became a heartless, his body and soul had to go somewhere, BUT KAIRI RESTORED HIM, and he has a physical form which means he has a shell. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER. WHEN YOU PLUNGE INTO DARKNESS OR HAVE YOUR HEART STOLEN BY A HEARTLESS AND THEN IT BECOMES A HEARTLESS YOU SHELL IS STILL CASTED OFF. GOD, HOW WRONG CAN YOU BE?
Sora is n1 said:
1. THEY DIDN'T SAY. GET THE FACT STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU POST CRAP LIKE THIS.
2. Sora isn't a shell. Why? BECAUSE HE WIELDS THE KEYBLADE. Which means: HE HAS A HEART. He also has a physical appearance which mean: HE HAS A SHELL.
Sora is n1 said:
No, but I think you're retarded...*adds you to my n00b/hate list*
Yes but Vexen is dead and Axel made sure of that so unless he magically came back or Axel and him are really working together and made the BHK to get back at the Org. then meh you're theory is possible. Even though I could prove it wrong but it would still be possible....But there are more important things to prove wrong right now...
Sora is n1 said:
THEY DO NOT CALL SORA THE SHELL
EdSquareCat said:
Thats impossible
Sora is n1 said:
How do you know XDDDDDD Meh I know this is true but all you do is say stuff. You don't give any proof to support what you say.
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But WHO SAID YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What would Sora or BHK possibly being a clone of the other. Have anything to do with BHK's partners... And dude don't double post, edit them if you have other things to say.
I did...GOT A PROBLEM WITH IT? XD Actually I didn't say I was....SO GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT!!!....
Plus I'd be right before you anyday.
Plus I'd be right before you anyday.
.:KL:. said:
what you wanna go come on bring it.
Somebody please close this before it gets outta hand...
Sora is n1 said:
God, you are pathetic. And I'm not going to start anything with you.
And mistyElk0 is right....close this topic or ignore it....theres no reason to post here anyone....i already proved the theory wrong....
It amazes me at how much you think you know about the soul. The body+soul do not and I repeat do not=SHELL!!! You're body alone is the shell. You're soul is the life-force, your spirit energy. It's what gives you the strength to talk, read, write, and perform other daily tasks. The heart determines who you are; it's what gives you a personlity. Without these two traits the soul and the heart; the body is nothing more than an empty vessel. Therfore the body alone IS indeed a SHELL!!!
To futher back this train of thought I shall present to you Ansem reports 12 and 13.
Ansem report 12
I have transcended to an existence of only the heart. I should have come back as a Heartless, but there is no sign of such a transformation.
My body has surely perished. However, I am different from the other Heartless, keeping the memories of before, and I have not taken on the form of a Heartless. It is clear that there are still many things to be studied.
In order to cross over to the dark side, which is not this world, you must go beyond the door of Kingdom Hearts, the place connected to the world's heart.
The innermost part connected to the world's heart, the place connecting to the world of darkness. (I will record the details in another report...)
There are still so many unknown worlds.
The present world.
The world of darkness.
The world of light.
And, The world in-between.
Where does the true paradise lie, I wonder?
Ansem report 13
When the heart casts off the flesh, where does the body go?
Heart and soul are separate, and the spirit remains in the body. But can we assume that the leftover body and soul perish?
Certainly when the heart changes into a Heartless the body disappears.
However, that is only this world's story; in another world, mightn't they change forms like the Heartless and exist there?
If we take that to be the case, there must be a you other than yourself existing somewhere.
An existence neither of darkness nor of light.
An in-between existence.
Cast off by the heart, a mere shell, one who begrudges both the darkness and the light.
This mystery cannot be easily resolved.
The relationship between the heart and the flesh is a complex one.
But since we exist here, they cannot be termed as existent.
Therefore I shall call them...
"The non-existent ones."
Or (N.E.O.’s)
To futher back this train of thought I shall present to you Ansem reports 12 and 13.
Ansem report 12
I have transcended to an existence of only the heart. I should have come back as a Heartless, but there is no sign of such a transformation.
My body has surely perished. However, I am different from the other Heartless, keeping the memories of before, and I have not taken on the form of a Heartless. It is clear that there are still many things to be studied.
In order to cross over to the dark side, which is not this world, you must go beyond the door of Kingdom Hearts, the place connected to the world's heart.
The innermost part connected to the world's heart, the place connecting to the world of darkness. (I will record the details in another report...)
There are still so many unknown worlds.
The present world.
The world of darkness.
The world of light.
And, The world in-between.
Where does the true paradise lie, I wonder?
Ansem report 13
When the heart casts off the flesh, where does the body go?
Heart and soul are separate, and the spirit remains in the body. But can we assume that the leftover body and soul perish?
Certainly when the heart changes into a Heartless the body disappears.
However, that is only this world's story; in another world, mightn't they change forms like the Heartless and exist there?
If we take that to be the case, there must be a you other than yourself existing somewhere.
An existence neither of darkness nor of light.
An in-between existence.
Cast off by the heart, a mere shell, one who begrudges both the darkness and the light.
This mystery cannot be easily resolved.
The relationship between the heart and the flesh is a complex one.
But since we exist here, they cannot be termed as existent.
Therefore I shall call them...
"The non-existent ones."
Or (N.E.O.’s)
Non-Existant One said:
Well, then you must be amazed about yourself. THE SHELL IS THE BODY + SOUL. So....the body and shell IS indeed a shell.
THE SOULS STAYS WITH THE BODY. THEREFORE THE SHELL IS BODY + SOUL.
Spirit, soul...SAME THING...
*adds you to my hate/n00b list*
Also when you read the reports take note to key details like in line two fo Ansem report 13 when it says "the spirit remains in the body."
Well you dont seem to understand that the comment made above about the soul is something based off of real life. The ansem reports where added as a bonus to help answer the questions of those who seem to be confused about KH's philosophy about souls, hearts and life in general.
It doesn't matter. Souls DON'T become Dusks and Shells are the BODY + SOUL.
AND KH ISN'T BASED OFF OF REAL LIFE, ITS A VIDEO GAME...NOT OUR WORLD. SO YOUR HEART, SOULS, AND LIFE CRAP DOESN'T REALLY COUNT.
And by crap I mean this sh...
Which is wrong anyway. Body + Soul = Shell + Heart = Complete
AND KH ISN'T BASED OFF OF REAL LIFE, ITS A VIDEO GAME...NOT OUR WORLD. SO YOUR HEART, SOULS, AND LIFE CRAP DOESN'T REALLY COUNT.
And by crap I mean this sh...
Which is wrong anyway. Body + Soul = Shell + Heart = Complete
No kidding! I am aware that KH is a video game little one, and the quote above is anything but wrong. After all it's talking about real life; you're talking about the games philosophy.
But it does not matter. Such a topic may be hard to understand coming from someone who's probably never been on the verge of death.
I'd expect nothing less from someone who can't wield their spirit outside of their body.
But it does not matter. Such a topic may be hard to understand coming from someone who's probably never been on the verge of death.
I'd expect nothing less from someone who can't wield their spirit outside of their body.
1. The heartless are made from the bodies of those who lose their hearts. They cannot be made from hearts because they are called the HeartLESS . They devour hearts , and in doing so ,make more heartless
2. A nobody is a being of light and dark, most likely the hearts of people who lose their hearts, but regain them. This would make Riku and Sora Nobodies.
3. I have no idea what a dusk is. It is most likely the Artificial heartless Ansem mentioned creating in one of his reports.
Okay , there is my theory. 50 points to the first person to shoot it down!
2. A nobody is a being of light and dark, most likely the hearts of people who lose their hearts, but regain them. This would make Riku and Sora Nobodies.
3. I have no idea what a dusk is. It is most likely the Artificial heartless Ansem mentioned creating in one of his reports.
Okay , there is my theory. 50 points to the first person to shoot it down!
oh...my...god. out of all of the stuff said in the last 3 pages i have no idea what any of you are talking about. don't laugh, but WHAT THE CRAP IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HEART AND SOUL?!?! SERIOUSLY! BODY, I GET. HEART, I GET. BUT WHAT IS THIS 'SOUL' YOU STRANGE PPL SPEAK OF AND WHERE DID THIS THEROY COME FROM?!?! IT WASN'T MENTIONED IN KH1 AND COM!(okay, maybe once...)ANSWER ME YOU INSOLENT FOOLS!
The heartless do have hearts. If you look closely at screenshots of game play when a heartless is destroyed a heart emerges from their body and floats into the air were it dissapears. As if returning to the darkness from which it was created.
electrikeyblade14 said:
A few pages back on this thread, somone posted Ansems report 12. Read it and you will see what they are talking about (Insolent fool..).
And to that other person, you're right, but one of Ansem's reports specifically defined a heartless as " one devoid of a heart". But then, where did that heart they release after death come from?
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