If you could take out one scene in KH2, what would it be?

[Delsan]

Not trying to start turning this thread into a Sora HC, but IMO it was kinda sad that Ven was more mature than Sora, even though his heart was pure light, though I guess I'm just assuming Darkness=Maturity here or something?

The only time I remember Ven acting like a child is when he sees the Seven Dwarfs, but his JAP VA sounded more enthusiastic than Jesse McCartney.

 

[PrinnyGod]

The only time I remember Ven acting like a child is when he sees the Seven Dwarfs, but his JAP VA sounded more enthusiastic than Jesse McCartney.

not to mention how he cried when Terra scolded him... but I think I heard that was added to NA Release. Damn, they really wanted to turn up Ven's AWWWW factor before they sent him over here.

 

[Taochan]

not to mention how he cried when Terra scolded him... but I think I heard that was added to NA Release. Damn, they really wanted to turn up Ven's AWWWW factor before they sent him over here.

Maybe they felt we couldn't handle an entire cast of "mature" characters. xD I thought Ven was a huge kid about the Disney Land thing. When he gives the passes to Terra and Aqua and he's all "He said.. to bring two adults..." And then he pouts. XD The Japanese have a funny view of 14/15 year-olds.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

Not trying to start turning this thread into a Sora HC, but IMO it was kinda sad that Ven was more mature than Sora, even though his heart was pure light, though I guess I'm just assuming Darkness=Maturity here or something?

I'd rather say darkness=negative emotions and feelings, it doesn't really respond to maturity.
Remember in KH : CoM and KH II Sora was way quicker to anger, and over sometimes not so important things.
Ven only gets bursts of righteous anger sometimes, and while his personality overall may be more benign and kind as Sora's he acts more mature probably because 1. his life was already much harder than Sora's and 2. he got professional training as a keyblade apprentice.
As for Sora and Santa...lol, that just shows that Sora is childish to a certain extent, that's a part of his character.
Although I think that dance-scene in Twilight town was somewhat "disneyfied", cuz I doubt that would have happened when there would be Riku & Kairi instead of Donald and Goofy.

@Ven95:
For the english voices in BBS i generally found the emotions not quite done right in some scenes for all three main characters. However I've to admit that Ven had the fewest instances of them...McCartney did a solid job and if you compare Ven and Roxas personality- and behaviour-wise you can easily tell them apart.

@Taocha:
Actually I don't think it's solely the japanese having a funny view of 14/15 year-olds but also considering that every individual develops at a different pace.
When I was still going to college during my apprenticeship we partially had 16/17-year olds who were acting quite childish.
But I do admit the Japs have a foible for cute "kawaiii" characters.
Heck, even I find Ven quite cute...wouldn't mind him as a younger brother...and that comes from a guy...

 

[Taochan]

@Taocha:
Actually I don't think it's solely the japanese having a funny view of 14/15 year-olds but also considering that every individual develops at a different pace.
When I was still going to college during my apprenticeship we partially had 16/17-year olds who were acting quite childish.
But I do admit the Japs have a foible for cute "kawaiii" characters.
Heck, even I find Ven quite cute...wouldn't mind him as a younger brother...and that comes from a guy...

That's true; I know some 17 year olds who give me a migraine from their immaturity and I'm only 3 years their senior. I was also thinking about the Japanese's obsessive tendency to push the "cute" factor. I'm glad there are more serious characters to even everyone out, and Sora wouldn't be Sora without immature tendencies. He travels with Goofy, who can blame him?
Ven would be an amazing little brother... Ven and Sora are pretty adorable kids; it's hard to think of them as teenagers though.
I can't wait to see how Sora will grow and progress as a character now that he doesn't have another pesky memory swipe on the horizon.

 

[Fractured_Heart628]

I would have taken out that scene where Sora had to escort Minnie to the throne room. Minnie's just annoying, if you ask me.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

That's true; I know some 17 year olds who give me a migraine from their immaturity and I'm only 3 years their senior. I was also thinking about the Japanese's obsessive tendency to push the "cute" factor. I'm glad there are more serious characters to even everyone out, and Sora wouldn't be Sora without immature tendencies. He travels with Goofy, who can blame him?
Ven would be an amazing little brother... Ven and Sora are pretty adorable kids; it's hard to think of them as teenagers though.
I can't wait to see how Sora will grow and progress as a character now that he doesn't have another pesky memory swipe on the horizon.

Yeah, I don't know why the Japanese have that tendency, but hey, in most cases it works, it's not always "Sex sells" but also "cuteness sells", and the latter one is way more "appropriate" to some.
Even here in Germany you hear many people squeal about how a cutie this or that character is.
Hehe, that's why I said this dance-scene was "disneyfied", and I remember when Sora got all exicted about Santa Donald tapping his foot...lol, Donald acted way more "mature" than Sora here.

As said, it depends on what you understand of a teenager, early or late teens, or rather on the nature of the said character...i.e. Naruto or Selphie from FF VIII are also acting quite childish, and Selphie is already 16.
On the other hand, Lelouch vi Britannia or Suzaku from Code Geass are acting quite mature for their age of 17...if you know that series, that is...lol.
But we also have that in KH...Riku for example or Terra, I'll doubt Terra is older than 19/20 so he'll count still as a teenager.

@PrinnyGod:
I think you confused something here, crying has nothing to do with being childish...even old men cry when the situation they're in brings them to it.

 

[Ruran]

I wouldn't like to remove any scenes, just edit them.QUOTE]

This part I agree with. I don't think there's a scene I hate enough that I would want excluded entirely but there were a few that made me cringe and go: :/ and thought they could have been handled differently.

If I had to take one out though I think it would be the one where Riku lent Kairi a Keyblade. It felt kind of random IMO and didn't affect the KH2's plot much.

 

[Taochan]

Yeah, I don't know why the Japanese have that tendency, but hey, in most cases it works, it's not always "Sex sells" but also "cuteness sells", and the latter one is way more "appropriate" to some.
Even here in Germany you hear many people squeal about how a cutie this or that character is.
Hehe, that's why I said this dance-scene was "disneyfied", and I remember when Sora got all exicted about Santa Donald tapping his foot...lol, Donald acted way more "mature" than Sora here.

As said, it depends on what you understand of a teenager, early or late teens, or rather on the nature of the said character...i.e. Naruto or Selphie from FF VIII are also acting quite childish, and Selphie is already 16.
On the other hand, Lelouch vi Britannia or Suzaku from Code Geass are acting quite mature for their age of 17...if you know that series, that is...lol.
But we also have that in KH...Riku for example or Terra, I'll doubt Terra is older than 19/20 so he'll count still as a teenager.

I am glad for a relief of the overly pushed NA "sex sells" aspect... but then I look at Kairi... with all of those zippers... XD
That's very true; this is very much a personality aspect. Sora has always seemingly been the least mature of the three, but that's who he is. I do think the memory wipe did little good for him though; he lost a whole year and a ton of memories/growth he had gained from Castle Oblivion. I think he'll always be fairly light-hearted but I think that situation if what's kept him in one place with a lack of progression. xD
Yes, I believe Terra, Riku and Aqua have enough maturity to balance out all of the immaturity in the series.

 

[Xenin]

Every single scene besides Hollow Bastion (at start) and Olympius.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

This I agree with. I don't think there's a scene I hate enough that I would want excluded entirely but there were a few that made me cringe and go: :/ and thought they could have been handled differently.

If I had to take one out though I think it would be the one where Riku lent Kairi a Keyblade. It felt kind of random IMO and didn't affect the KH2's plot much.

Axel's death scene only sounds "gay" if one wants to believe it sounds so. For me, it was clear Axel was talking about friendship here...especially regarding the fact we're talking about a franchise where Disney is involved.
However, if someone has read one of those fanfics before, well yeah...
On the other hand...even if that scene was meant that way, what the heck would be the problem with it?


As for Riku handing Kairi a KB...well since BBS we know it wasn't a random scene. True, it didn't affect the plot of KH II much, but since BBS I've learned for myself that one shouldn't look at the story of one of the games alone, as they're all interconnected.

@Taocha:
Lol, I actually like a mix of both, but I'm a very tolerant one...and for Kairis Zippers, that's just the Nomura-style, he loves zippers, belts and buckles => i.e. in FF VII Sephiroth's coat had only one buckle to close it...then look at it in Advent Children, lol.

Yeah, I actually think that whole Memory Mess at Castle Oblivion was one of the most critical impacts in the whole series up to now. So much mess happened because of all what Naminé did and had to undo again....and as Days and Coded show even more mess is created along the way...

Yup, Riku, Terra and Aqua, also Mickey to a certain extent, also most of the FF characters bring in a more serious tone...

 

[swim126]

The ending scene was horrible in my opinion. It felt too...fake.

 

[Ruran]

Axel's death scene only sounds "gay" if one wants to believe it sounds so. For me, it was clear Axel was talking about friendship here...especially regarding the fact we're talking about a franchise where Disney is involved.
However, if someone has read one of those fanfics before, well yeah...
On the other hand...even if that scene was meant that way, what the heck would be the problem with it?

I ment about how some scenes in general could be changed, not specificaly the Axel sacrafice scene which I don't care for much. I should probably re-edit my post.

As for Riku handing Kairi a KB...well since BBS we know it wasn't a random scene. True, it didn't affect the plot of KH II much, but since BBS I've learned for myself that one shouldn't look at the story of one of the games alone, as they're all interconnected.

I know there was a reasone behind it but it's not really the idea tha Kairi can wield a Keyblade that bothers me, it was the execution and timeing of it. Something like that could've been shown better but it felt so thrown in is the thing. Even after BbS that scene still doesn't seem important (not to KH2 any way thouhg probably later on). I mean I agree with you some stuff seems to not make sence or have as much as a impact until later but it still comes off as irrelevant. Like I can't look at that scene after playing BbS and feel like I something really important happened that I didn't catch until recently.

 

[Taochan]

@Taocha:
Lol, I actually like a mix of both, but I'm a very tolerant one...and for Kairis Zippers, that's just the Nomura-style, he loves zippers, belts and buckles => i.e. in FF VII Sephiroth's coat had only one buckle to close it...then look at it in Advent Children, lol.

Yeah, I actually think that whole Memory Mess at Castle Oblivion was one of the most critical impacts in the whole series up to now. So much mess happened because of all what Naminé did and had to undo again....and as Days and Coded show even more mess is created along the way...

Yup, Riku, Terra and Aqua, also Mickey to a certain extent, also most of the FF characters bring in a more serious tone...

I do enjoy a mix, I just think it would be awkward if breasts were flying at me in Kingdom Hearts. XD Oh it's definietely his style and I do love her dress... it's just SO easy to get off. Her style is definitely getting to be more adult, which is interesting. She's no longer small/cute KH1 Kairi; now she's more on her way to being a woman.
COM was definitely critical, and it MUST be taken into account when people review Sora as a character. COM is the reason in KH2 he had regressed growth wise.
I agree, they definitely all bring in their own levels of maturity and seriousness. So I think Sora and Ven's childlike behavior along with Goofy and sometimes Donald, brings out the fun/cheery aspects of KH.

I wouldn't like to remove any scenes, just edit them.

Like Axel's death scene. Make it sound a little...I don't know, less gay? The cheesiest scene in the game.

I don't see a problem with Axel's death either. I thought it was sweet, how all he wanted was to see the one person who was his friend and who made him feel like he had a heart. That isn't necessarily a gay relationship they had, and even if it was there is nothing wrong with that. But I never saw their friendship as anything more than a friendship. I do however think Axel died far too easily though.

 

[Delsan]

Axel's death scene only sounds "gay" if one wants to believe it sounds so. For me, it was clear Axel was talking about friendship here...especially regarding the fact we're talking about a franchise where Disney is involved.
However, if someone has read one of those fanfics before, well yeah...
On the other hand...even if that scene was meant that way, what the heck would be the problem with it?

I know Axel is talking about friendship, but when he said
"Roxas is the only one I liked, he made me feel like I had a heart. It's kinda funny (turns to Sora) you make me feel the same way"
it felt so uncomfortable when I watched that scene. I know he's talking about friendship, but when he said that it sounded wrong.

 

[HeartSeams]

I know Axel is talking about friendship, but when he said
"Roxas is the only one I liked, he made me feel like I had a heart. It's kinda funny (turns to Sora) you make me feel the same way"
it felt so uncomfortable when I watched that scene. I know he's talking about friendship, but when he said that it sounded wrong.

Homophobe, much?
=/

 

[Delsan]

Homophobe, much?
=/

No, actually.

 

[HeartSeams]

No, actually.

sure, because you thinking the scene sounded "gay", and "wrong" and made you "uncomfortable" paints you pro-gay.

personally, i wouldn't really want to remove scenes from KH2, only add them.
though, hm, maybe cut some of the "Sora. Donald. Goofy." bits.

 

[Delsan]

sure, because you thinking the scene sounded "gay", and "wrong" and made you "uncomfortable" paints you pro-gay.

The problem I have with that scene is that since Axel is much older than Roxas and Sora and him saying that, that's what made the scene weird to me. It was just awkward.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

I do enjoy a mix, I just think it would be awkward if breasts were flying at me in Kingdom Hearts. XD Oh it's definietely his style and I do love her dress... it's just SO easy to get off. Her style is definitely getting to be more adult, which is interesting. She's no longer small/cute KH1 Kairi; now she's more on her way to being a woman.
COM was definitely critical, and it MUST be taken into account when people review Sora as a character. COM is the reason in KH2 he had regressed growth wise.
I agree, they definitely all bring in their own levels of maturity and seriousness. So I think Sora and Ven's childlike behavior along with Goofy and sometimes Donald, brings out the fun/cheery aspects of KH.

LOL, that would never happen with Disney on board...and furthermore i can imagine US parents going nuts if something in that direction would aspire. Especially in terms of blank skin I witnessed many parents in the USA going panic...i actually wondered if they censored the BBS prologue cuz there where some scenes where you could see some "more" of Ven than you usually know from KH games (aside from Sora's merman form of course).

Yeah, and because CoM is so crucial to the overall storyline I'm mad at Square for not releasing Re: CoM over here in Europe...damn, if just that stupid region lock wouldn't be there.

I think they have a good mix of characters here, and since Nomura implied that there might be a way for those "gone" to return we actually might see independent Naminè, Roxas and co. again somewhere in the future.
*imagines the first actual meeting between Kairi and Xion or Roxas and Ventus...what a confusion...*

Actually, all these pairings, regardless if gay or hetero, exist mostly only in the fandom, which I don't mind. The only one that remotely comes canon is Sora and Kairi.
As for Axel and Roxas...as nobodies they didn't understood a friendship fully, so i doubt they would understand a even more complex relationship let alone have one.
But I have to 100% agree, even if there was such an relationship intended, there would nothing be wrong with it and i would not view the characters lower or anything just because of such a thing.

I know Axel is talking about friendship, but when he said
"Roxas is the only one I liked, he made me feel like I had a heart. It's kinda funny (turns to Sora) you make me feel the same way"
it felt so uncomfortable when I watched that scene. I know he's talking about friendship, but when he said that it sounded wrong.

It felt uncomfortable? Lol, i wonder about what you where thinking then.
But hey, maybe it's the way it is pronounced in english?
I've the german version of KH 2 with german synchro so maybe there the voice actors changed the atmosphere a bit.

Edit: Oh, so that's it...now I understand...you're thinking on a word that starts with a P...don't you?