Spoilers ► Post-MOM Theories

[Oracle Spockanort]

Now that the game is out in Japan, I know y'all have them. I'm making a space for you guys to discuss your theories until the western launch. After that, you can make them using the Spoiler prefix in the Future of Kingdom Hearts section.

 

[Zettaflare]

Sweet

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Since Riku went to Quadratum solo I think he and Yozora will be the two playable leads for the next game. Mickey as well if his search in Scala leads him to Quadratum. What I think could happen is that Riku goes through whatever Disney worlds are planned for the game while Yozora himself deals with things in the actual city. Focus will be split between them like DDD.


Also despite this Shibuya clearly not being the same one as TWEWY i still think they are still somewhat connected.

 

[Mexican Sora]

Could Mickey and the gang looking for another world with keyblade wielders be why we see Donald and Goofy crash land their Gummi Ship in Daybreak Town? For all we know time could run differently in the unchained realm compared to the real world. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a mission in UX where the player and Ephemer are indirectly responsible assisting Sora with the giant demon tide in the graveyard.

 

[Darkspawn]

If one of upcoming games is assuredly Riku and Sora/Yozora in Quadratum, then I hope another is centered on Aqua and Kairi that involves Subject X. I think there could be a story there that would also loop in the Twilight Town gang with Lea and Isa’s connection to Subject X.

Then the Disney+ series with Mickey, Donald, and Goofy on their mission to learn more about the Ancient Keyblade Masters maybe?

 

[Elysium]

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Just sorting through the spoilers thread now: So, so happy it looks like Kairi will -not- be a main character in the next KH game (SNS, I hate her), and that Riku and Mickey will get more focus. I like the idea of her training under Aqua, I guess.

And I love how the Fairy Godmother is getting used similarly to Merlin and Yensid.

 

[Idreamaboutcats]

Post-MoM theories huh?

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• The Master is NOT Yozora nor Sora, however, he might carry a similar name, such as Aozora, Fuyuzora, Hoshizora, etc. and has a relation to the two.
  • If that were the case, the reason he's insane is probably because he witnessed his own "sea" perish at the hands of Darkness.
• The world Quadratum is in isn't a fictional world in the sense as we understand it (if that were the case, 100 acre wood would be the same thing). Rather, it might be an alternate worldline in which the War didn't happen. It might also be the world that developed from when the trapped dandelions who couldn't return built up new lives, but might not be. Either way, such a place developed in huge strides in terms of scientific achievements including military prowess, whereas the main worldline developed in terms of magic.
  • If it really was an alternate worldline, we're most likely looking at a unified World that did not fracture like the one the main cast lives in. It could also be the "World the could've been" if the War didn't happen then.
• Yozora might be an alternate Sora had the World not fallen apart during the war. Essentially a parallel existence, same heart, two bodies, sort of like a foil to a human/nobody relationship, but something else. A more analogous idea would be the relationship between Alice and Mary-Ann, or in weeb speak, something like the connection between Tsubasa Li and Kimihiro Watanuki.
• Nameless Star might have a name that has "star" in it because Nomura is bitter, like Hoshi, Sekai, or Seiya, or as a parallel to Kairi, might have a name related to the sea, such as Umi or Machi.
• Kairi probably already passed on the light to another princess. This is my most unlikely of theories.

Will write more later.

 

[KeyToDestiny]

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I am also glad Kairi will be thrown to the side and be off-screen training with Aqua even though it's just a way to get both of them along with the others off the screen so we could focus on characters that matter more like Sora, Riku and now Yozora. Kairi would just get in the way and her rabid fans are grating. That said, dunno if I'd tune in for the next big game if it comes out in 2022 but I'm sure it's gonna focus on Sora, Riku and Yozora's adventures on the other side which sounds infinitely more interesting than what the other guardians would be doing anyways.

 

[Idreamaboutcats]

Sweet

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Since Riku went to Quadratum solo I think he and Yozora will be the two playable leads for the next game. Mickey as well if his search in Scala leads him to Quadratum. What I think could happen is that Riku goes through whatever Disney worlds are planned for the game while Yozora himself deals with things in the actual city. Focus will be split between them like DDD.


Also despite this Shibuya clearly not being the same one as TWEWY i still think they are still somewhat connected.

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If it's any consolation, the Verum Rex ad has a street sign that explicitly says "Shibuya".

 

[NoWay]

Soooo what if the next game is a DDD & BBS mash up.
We play 3 scenarios: Riku, Yozora and Micky?
Or Riku (Quadratum), Kairi (training) and Micky (Scala ad Caelum)?
And in the end when Riku is about to die, Micky, Kairi and Aqua go to help Riku.

 

[astertide]

Did anybody find it weird how

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the Fairy Godmother suddenly knew everything? After an entire year had gone by?

And one moment she's like "oOoOh WhAt DrEaMs ArE yOu HavIng" and the next she's like "okokoksoactuallythereisanotherworldthatyoudon'tknowofit'slikethisworldbutnotactuallyit'snotlikethisworldatallit'sacompletelydifferentrealitythatnobodyknowsaboutexceptmeforsomereasonalsoyou'reakeyandyou'reakeyandlet'sgotothefinalworldandthere'stheotherkeyhahaalsoineversayhernameandsheapparentlydoesn'tknowmebutshe'swillingtohelpussothat'sgoodhahai'msuddenlyomniscientiknoweverythingiamsosmartiamsmarterthanfrickingansemthewise"

Like, I keep getting this feeling that something's really wrong with her.
Maybe... It's not her?

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AVAAAAAAAAAA IS THAT YOU
OR IS THAT LIKE
LUXU
OR SOMETHING

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Also, Riku said that he'd been having that same dream on repeat since Sora went missing. For. An. Entire. Year. And he didn't think anything of it?! Are Kingdom Hearts characters just that dense?

 

[NemesisSP]

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Also, Riku said that he'd been having that same dream on repeat since Sora went missing. For. An. Entire. Year. And he didn't think anything of it?! Are Kingdom Hearts characters just that dense?

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I would say something very snarky about this, but I don't care enough to even try.

I've said it before in the MoM Spoilers thread, but we know that there are multiple projects in the works right now, which may soon show up at Jump Festa or perhaps a little soon. What do know is its apparently gonna be something big.

There are a few ideas in mind. Purely game related ones, though, since a movie or Disney+ are still iffy.
1. There's gonna be a Switch game. Nomura has mentioned he's working on a game for the Switch, though he didn't give specifics. But a Kingdom Hearts game made specifically for the Switch seems very likely, at the least, considering KH3 had to miss out on the system due to technical restrictions. However this game will most certainly not have anything to do with Yozora, the Nameless Star or anything Verum Rex related. They built the world of Quadratum in the Unreal Engine and to explore in Re:Mind and then decided to save it for the next big game instead. That tells me that it's gonna saved for KH4 or a hypothetical Riku game bridging
2. The next game is NOT GONNA BE KINGDOM HEARTS IV! I know this one is kind of a given, but it still needs to be said. Of course, Nomura could completely blindside us and announce KH4, but we'll see.
3. Their will be multiple games. One for Roxas or one for Kairi and of course, one for Riku. Many fans want a Days remake, so it'd be a good time to possible do that with the Switch. It would make for a perfect Switch game. Kairi because she hasn't had a full game to herself (Melody of Memory doesn't count, since its story is just a taste of things to come) and they already have her gameplay mechanics ready thanks to Re:Mind. Riku because that's going to be the true bridge game between this and KH4.

Of these three options, I'd say based on the news that there are multiple teams working on multiple projects, the odds that its number three is very likely.

 

[Katsagu]

So, question for my fellow KHI users.

How do you feel about potentially abandoning the twilight gang and the wayfinder trio? Letting them have their happy endings and live happily ever after or whatever.

I don't know, I feel the cast is way to big for its own good, I think it's best to just leave them be and call upon them if necessary, but going out of their way to make new games for them feels a bit overkill.

 

[Idreamaboutcats]

So, question for my fellow KHI users.

How do you feel about potentially abandoning the twilight gang and the wayfinder trio? Letting them have their happy endings and live happily ever after or whatever.

I don't know, I feel the cast is way to big for its own good, I think it's best to just leave them be and call upon them if necessary, but going out of their way to make new games for them feels a bit overkill.

It’s off topic from theories but I’m gonna be honest, when III finally resolved their endings I felt that they should stay resolved and left behind in the Dark Seeker Saga. Xion’s reunited with her friends, Roxas has independent agency from Sora, the Wayfinder Trio are together again. It’s done and should stay done.

However, we all know that’s not true, because there’s always that one snag Nomura had to throw in so that they’ll stay relevant.

For the Twilight Town gang, it’s Subject X and Isa and Lea’s search for her, which will definitely drag the rest into the mystery.

For the Wayfinder Trio it’s, oh, I don’t know, Ven being a fudging accessory to murder maybe? Which means Lauriam and by extension Elrena also tie into it because the former has yet to settle the score if he hasn’t already when they were dandelions.

Naminé…I can’t comment on this. She’s simply too big a mystery to let lie even at the conclusion of the previous saga.

 

[Alpha Baymax]

So, question for my fellow KHI users.

How do you feel about potentially abandoning the twilight gang and the Wayfinder trio? Letting them have their happy endings and live happily ever after or whatever.

I don't know, I feel the cast is way too big for its own good, I think it's best to just leave them be and call upon them if necessary, but going out of their way to make new games for them feels a bit overkill.

They're going to be involved in the series moving forward solely because there are unanswered questions connecting to them.

Lea and Isa are looking for Subject X. Subject X is heavily theorised to be Skuld, and if she is then she's likely to be retroactively connected to Xion. I say this because Skuld and Ventus share a similar dynamic to Roxas and Xion, and it may explain why both Roxas and Axel envision her with black hair.

Then there's Strelitzia and Ventus, Darkness used Ventus body to kill Strelitzia. Lauriam and Elrena may want to see Ventus again regarding Strelitzia which means that Terra is going to be involved because he'd want to be by Ventus side. Namine would get roped with these guys because she's built a pre-existing relationship with Terra through the Lingering Will, Marluxia and Larxene.

And then there's Luxu who would inevitably bring these two splintered groups of people together against him.

 

[Oracle Spockanort]

So, question for my fellow KHI users.

How do you feel about potentially abandoning the twilight gang and the wayfinder trio? Letting them have their happy endings and live happily ever after or whatever.

I don't know, I feel the cast is way to big for its own good, I think it's best to just leave them be and call upon them if necessary, but going out of their way to make new games for them feels a bit overkill.

It would be nice but that sadly won’t happen.

Ven’s deeply entrenched in the future of this story thanks to Darkness, so no way will Terra or Aqua sit back. Kairi will get pulled along with them. Worsens and Lauriam will come into play there considering Strelitzia.

Isa and Lea are looking for Subject X, so no way would Roxas and Xion stay behind. I’m sure my UX characters will pop up here too.

The thing is we don’t know how or when they plan to resolve these storylines. Beyond Mickey going on his quest and Riku going solo to find his boyfriend, these threads are sort of left dangling. I’m going to assume that the search for Subject X and Ven’s ties to Darkness will be all in one game since there is considerable amount of overlap.

Essentially Nomura has written himself into a very crowded corner.

 

[Katsagu]

It would be nice but that sadly won’t happen.

Ven’s deeply entrenched in the future of this story thanks to Darkness, so no way will Terra or Aqua sit back. Kairi will get pulled along with them. Worsens and Lauriam will come into play there considering Strelitzia.

Isa and Lea are looking for Subject X, so no way would Roxas and Xion stay behind. I’m sure my UX characters will pop up here too.

The thing is we don’t know how or when they plan to resolve these storylines. Beyond Mickey going on his quest and Riku going solo to find his boyfriend, these threads are sort of left dangling. I’m going to assume that the search for Subject X and Ven’s ties to Darkness will be all in one game since there is considerable amount of overlap.

Essentially Nomura has written himself into a very crowded corner.

This is why I'm worried with the future, it all just feels extremely disconnected. And MoM just went ahead and added on to it.

So far, after KH3 we have like 6 plot hooks, and they're all mostly disconnected. Maybe ventus and darknesse's whole deal gets resolved on UX.

Maybe Nomura really will try to do a MCU thing. Where now we will have "solo" games for each group, or each storyline and then at the end the stories join together to have an "Avengers" type of deal. But yeah, there's like a lot.

 

[Idreamaboutcats]

Three people practically said the same thing…


Back to more theory crafting…hmm…

• The flow of time seems synchronized and paced in all worlds when they are fully restored. What occurs for ten years in a complete world is also ten years in another so long as that world is also complete.
  Oh boy I completely forgot about Huey Louie and Dewey…who have not aged since BBS!

 

[NoWay]

Waaaaaaait a minute

If Riku goes to Quadratum/Shibuya... could this mean the Riku centered game won’t include any Disney worlds? Imagine this scenario. A KH game which only focuses on the main story.

A big open world like Game in this world...

 

[Idreamaboutcats]

I think it’s fine to refer to Quadratum as Shibuya and vice-versa. For one thing, the street sign in the ad says “Shibuya” in clear English letters. There’s one other reason, but I’m sure others can figure it out.

 

[Zettaflare]

Waaaaaaait a minute

If Riku goes to Quadratum/Shibuya... could this mean the Riku centered game won’t include any Disney worlds? Imagine this scenario. A KH game which only focuses on the main story.

A big open world like Game in this world...

I hope not. Disney worlds are the main appeal of any KH game for mr. Quadratum could work as the hub world with Disney worlds being a part of Riku's trials