That's a debatable and muddled statement tbh. Xehanort didn't enact his plans till he realized his life was nearly over as pointed out in reports but at the same time he wants to see his plans through before he dies. He seems more influenced to just not "die a quiet death".
Exactly but just like KH these exceptions are rare and true to the term exception. There's really no way to work around that an exception is just that an exception not a standard or rule.
Those unsent exceptions also seem to have a strong desire ruling them and keeping them in their states. Seymours intense hatred and madness, Aurons desire to keep his promise to his friends who he felt died a meaningless death, Yunalesca who wants to keep the false hope alive, etc.
Just like a fiend or spirit in any myth they're motivated by a strong emotion. I.e "unfinished business".
The only real difference between the unsent and fiend is the type of motivation driving them and shaping their form.
The funny thing about that is however that if Xehanort "sees his plans through" he may not get to die at all as he also points out that by opening the door of the true KH an individual may transcend his/her humanity and become a higher being that is, most likely, exempt from death.
In KH 2 Xemnas' personal goal was also to use his artificial KH to ascend into a higher being.
Correct, and yet you do get to see all these exceptions piled together and adressed prominently during the course of FF X, and unlike KH I do not see fans complaining about it.
If I recall correctly in FF X-2 Tidus, who was originally just a
dream, can get revived as a true person if you manage to get a 100% ending and that's arguably a similar if not even more "unrealistic" situation than anything Roxas or Naminé have in KH.
That strong desire/emotion seems to be their driving motivator, yes, but unlike normal fiends who succumb to their resentment and anger they retain their consciousness and ability of rational thought (ok, Seymour maybe not so, but that's because he already had a few screws loose beforehand).
The Unsent and Fiends from FF X almost mirror the (humanoid) Nobodies and Heartless at least in behaviour and purpose.
Agreed. It's also that misgiving of Nomuras that I think it's best things not be explained at all if they aren't in the games themselves.
lol DDD claims another~ But yeah in all seriousness DDD did more harm that explanation since what it said bluntly was implied beforehand.
Such worlds probably exist given what we've learned. o_0
In Disney's defense, it all plays on that setting. The movie and the myth infused in it. They don't have to be consistent cause they aren't worrying about continuing one long story.
Exactly. What may be childs play for Maleficent wouldn't be the same for a mortal human.
Well that may be due to how each heart migrated. Xehanort is referring to the specific ability to use a keyblade to free his heart. When Sora done it he had a special keyblade, Ventus followed a connection that is as close as one can be without sharing a heart and Kairi has been a dues ex machina once already.
That's why it is such a shame that these things aren't made clear enough in the games, as I am still convinced that with the information from the interviews and Ultimanias the story of KH
is easier to understand. Now if it only was accessible the normal way...
Agreed, but the things implied before seemed not to get through to a big part of the fandom so DDD spitting them out bluntly was apparently needed.
There are still people out there who actually claim that the fact that Nobodies can gain new hearts on their own is a retcon/ruins the concept yadda-yadda despite the whole issue being
ambigious even in KH 2 and Days.
The only thing that was ever outright stated was that Nobodies do not have hearts, which remains true, however neither KH 2 nor Days ever outright stated that this was a permanent, unchangeable state.
Depending on the context, such worlds could be pretty scary but also funny, like i.e. after rescuing Aqua and Ventus, those two travel together with SDG on the Gummi ship and when they reach a world, SDG go down to do business, but leave Aqua and Ven in the ship in orbit where they can read Jiminy's old journals to get up to speed on things that happened.
They barely start to stick their noses into the books when SDG return to the ship and claim what an adventure they had down there.
Cue befuddled faces and Aqua/Ven mumbling "but you where away for just 30 seconds", resulting in a "whaaaat?" reaction similar to when Sora learned that Ansem isn't actually Ansem...*ggg*
Correct, if I remember though one of the rules Disney set for using their settings was that core things aren't allowed to be changed, so KH might be
forced to flipflop on the issue as well to keep the various Disney settings intact.
Yep, and even for Maleficent it isn't childs play as she cannot actually return by her own design or power. It's her loyal raven and the unwitting help of the three good fairies which eventually bring about her return.
A mortal human (or even animal, i.e. Mufasa) that has no magical powers at all nor is closely connected to a special being that has those (or a Keyblade) might indeed be gone for good.
Granted, Sora himself most definitely wasn't even knowing/understanding what he was doing there while with Ventus it was at least partly something that can be traced back to again Sora doing something instinctively (like forming the close bond with Ven's heart four years before BBS in the first place) so the only iffy issue remains Kairi, although maybe one can argue that being a "princess of heart" falls under the same "special category" as being a fairy, angel, god or Keyblade Wielder.
In that light, Kairi is certainly NOT an average mortal human.
*sighs* The sad part about Dragon Ball is that it overturned it's own rule via another set of dragonballs that have no such revival limit. u_u
My biggest issue with revival is it takes away from urgency and it just feels off that heroes can keep coming back while villains apparently can't? Plus it always ends up with the story being limited to someone making suicide moves to win a big fight.
That's barring Shaman King though. I actually have a bit of respect for how they ended that story since despite revival rate it didn't give into suicide moves at it's end. they actually saved/redeemed/changed the mind of the main villain instead of destroying him. The bad guy actually wins in Shaman King.
Exactly. We have cases of overcoming it but they are all either not human (Oogie, Maleficent, Hades) or not truly dead (Roxas, Namine, Xion, Terra, Ventus, Aqua, Ansem the Wise).
For humans at least I imagine death is very definite and true to the real world counterpart is very feared among them. (like Xehanort)
With all his trollings and such we forget Xehanort himself is just a normal human. Even with his master powers he's bound by his biology and like any other human death is "definite" for a number of reasons.
And even if one had the power to revive him, lets face it, who would? x'D
o_0, I wonder who would think such a thing up honestly. I could get behind the idea that there is another set of Dragonballs and thus it would allow a second revival, but that second set not even following the rule is something that almost screams lazy writing.
I guess this is probably the reason as to why later in the series there are multiple (inhabited) planets blown up by just one attack.
Hmm, strange, I found that in media generally it is actually more often that the
villains are coming back rather than the good guys.
The plot device of "heroic sacrifice" is in my opinion overused in any case, regardless if there is a way to revive or not, although if revival is possible of course it becomes a prime opportunity to abuse that device in and out, which may indicate that an author has no really creative ideas how to decide a fight between mismatched opponents in the weaker ones favour.
Then there's of course also the "senseless sacrifice" that is only played for drama points (and I tend to think that at least some of those in KH are also played exactly for that) like i.e. someone taking a bullet for another character by jumping in front of him/her rather than just pull the character in question out of the way (or throw him/her down) and that way saving them both.
Huh? As far as I know (I have only the German manga) Shaman King does not even have a true ending as the manga ended when Yoh and co. where just taking a break preparing for the final battle against Hao, but the actual battle itself as well as the outcome was never shown, the last panel being a drawing of Yoh and co. rushing forward with Hao depicted as a "princess" of sorts, lol.
If you convince the villain though to not go through with his/her villainous plans it isn't strictly the bad guy wins but, as cheesy as it may sound, all sides win because the cause of conflict is no longer there and the villain has realized the error of his/her ways. Revenge of the Sith has a classical the bad guys win-scenario for example.
Yup, the way how to overcome it may be a general one, but it is a way that can only be used on exceptional cases because "normal" cases like non-magical humans cannot fulfill all the requirements needed to make it work.
That's the reason why he tries to defy it with body hopping though. He knows his biological real body will give in some(not so far away)day, which is also possibly why he started to get hasty and try to use shortcuts like his BBS plans to get what he wants.
Exactly that, the issue that even if you fullfill all requirements you cannot revive yourself is something that adds to Xehanort's fear because he probably knows/suspects that if things get real there would be no one who would
want to bring him back.