Theory on the Shocking Ending for KH3D

[JustDarkMemories]

You haven't seen the Re: Coded secret ending, have you?

When the heartless and the corresponding nobody (Ansem SoD and Xemnas) are destroyed, the original person is reborn => ergo Xehanort is back in action.

On one more side note: When a person's heart becomes a heartless that person doesn't die, it only goes dormant.
If the heartless is slain by a keyblade the original person can return.
In the rare case that a nobody was born both the heartless and nobody (which "occupies" the body and soul of the original person) need to be destroyed to bring the original person back.

Turning into a heartless =/= death.

Lol nope, I haven't seen it...

Anyways thanks, that was enlightening. it made a theory/question come to my head (I'll post it).

Another question: What about Terra? What happened to his heart when Xehanort was divided (Ansem SoD and Xemnas)?

 

[ChaosReaper]

I had to re-read that four times before I could imagine that...Anyway, isn't every Somebody's Nobody have the same name just re-arranged and with an added "x"?

well maybe he changed his name to rould (or whatever) xehanort did it and it worked right?

 

[El Coqu?]

Actually since someone just said his name isnt Eraqus by default on of the people suffering who is connected to Sora. If Eraqus placedc his heart within Terra and then Terra is connected to Sora through Ven's heart then wouldn't he be one of the one's needed to be saved?

 

[Oracle Spockanort]

Actually since someone just said his name isnt Eraqus by default on of the people suffering who is connected to Sora. If Eraqus placedc his heart within Terra and then Terra is connected to Sora through Ven's heart then wouldn't he be one of the one's needed to be saved?

Yes, in theory he is. We don't know the state Eraqus' heart is in right now, though. Also another thing I'd like to note is that Nomura hinted in a interview Riku may be storing another Heart within his own. I need to find that interview.

 

[Chuman]

It is possible. When I read the reports in BBS, it seemed to me as if MX knew what he was talking about at least to some extent, like the "Light and Darkness need to exist in a balance" sort of thing. It looked to me as if he was doing some of his actions for the right reasons and all the rest for the wrong. I think I could handle it if he was just a severely misunderstood good-guy.

And Eraqus is always going on about how imperfections should be purged eg. Darkness, X-blade.... Ven. He seems to have a touch of (dare I say it) Hitler-ness going on about him

I suppose I agree with you, but Eraqus has got something about him, and I could believe Xehanort being good, well, to an extent.

 

[Dark Hearts King]

I do.

First and foremost, MX wasn't the cliched "dark lord" that Ansem SoD and Xemnas were: he was basically a scientist. He wanted to start a new Keyblade War just to see what would happen.

And as I recall, he implied in his Secret Reports his beliefs that Light and Darkness needed to be balanced equally. This is the biggie that differs him from the likes of Eraqus, who firmly believed in abolishing Darkness completely, and Maleficent, who wanted to rule the universe in eternal darkness. However, the problem was that Xehanort lost his way through out his years and succumbed to the Darkness through his curiosity.

The acts that he committed in BBS were in the name of his twisted vision of science, and his morality long since thrown out the window. Thus, MX started out with good intentions, but his recklessness (i.e. refraining from wearing his Keyblade Armor through out his travels, thus exposing himself to Darkness countless times over many long years) overtook him and caused the events of BBS.

That is a brilliant theory. Makes tons of sense. Feels sort of like Bioshock for some reason? Idk...

Yes, in theory he is. We don't know the state Eraqus' heart is in right now, though. Also another thing I'd like to note is that Nomura hinted in a interview Riku may be storing another Heart within his own. I need to find that interview.

Hmm...that's intrigued me. I have to find that now.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

I really don't see any possibe way MX could be good when he tried to start up another Keyblade war, took control of another person and extracted the darkness from somebody to make a new apprentice.

Xehanort is in no way any "good", the lives of others mean absolutely nothing to him. He only cares for destroying the universe and remake it into his image.
People are putting way too much emphasis on three sentences in the Xehanort reports.
When he talks about "bringing balance" he is lying.

I do.

First and foremost, MX wasn't the cliched "dark lord" that Ansem SoD and Xemnas were: he was basically a scientist. He wanted to start a new Keyblade War just to see what would happen.

And as I recall, he implied in his Secret Reports his beliefs that Light and Darkness needed to be balanced equally. This is the biggie that differs him from the likes of Eraqus, who firmly believed in abolishing Darkness completely, and Maleficent, who wanted to rule the universe in eternal darkness. However, the problem was that Xehanort lost his way through out his years and succumbed to the Darkness through his curiosity.

The acts that he committed in BBS were in the name of his twisted vision of science, and his morality long since thrown out the window. Thus, MX started out with good intentions, but his recklessness (i.e. refraining from wearing his Keyblade Armor through out his travels, thus exposing himself to Darkness countless times over many long years) overtook him and caused the events of BBS.

Xehanort is neither a dark lord nor a scientist, he's more of a sadistic monster possibly paired with a god-complex.
He didn't just "discard" his morality, if watching closely during BBS he's actually enjoying the misery and suffering he causes others.

Yeah, he started out as more "neutral" when he was young, but he descended into villainy way earlier than just BBS.
The flashback he has when arguing with Eraqus (which most likely was even before he found Ventus) already shows how far he had fallen.
His blabbering about bringing balance was just a flat out lie to entice Terra, as was nearly everything he said or claimed.
Even taking Ventus as an apprentice wasn't out of any sympathy or attachment from Xehanort's side...he was already looking for a suitable body to take over when he found Ven and originally intended to use the kid as such.
After a while he noticed that Ven was unsuitable for him because he's too kindhearted so he switched to use him for the X-blade.

Any good traits Xehanort might have possessed in his youth are already completely gone way before BBS even started.

Lol nope, I haven't seen it...

Anyways thanks, that was enlightening. it made a theory/question come to my head (I'll post it).

Another question: What about Terra? What happened to his heart when Xehanort was divided (Ansem SoD and Xemnas)?

The question what happened to Terra is unanswerable for now.
How the powers, memories and hearts of Terra, Eraqus and Master Xehanort were divided between Ansem SoD and Xemnas is a mystery that actually was hinted by Nomura to play a role in the "next title" which most likely is DDD.

Actually since someone just said his name isnt Eraqus by default on of the people suffering who is connected to Sora. If Eraqus placedc his heart within Terra and then Terra is connected to Sora through Ven's heart then wouldn't he be one of the one's needed to be saved?

That may very likely be.
Ansem the Wise is also more or less "on the list" despite not being shown in the normal ending of Re: Coded.
In Blank Points he definitely also said Sora's name (as Aqua asked him he had to answer).
Eraqus didn't, but the simple fact that his heart went into Terra already implies there's more to him that is yet to be revealed.

The "official" list of the suffering people consists of six "beings" (can't say persons due to obvious reasons):
- Aqua
- Terra
- Ventus
- Naminé
- Xion
- Roxas

Ansem the Wise can be added as seventh more or less, so Eraqus might be the eighth one despite him never calling out to Sora or appearing in the tormented memories in Re: Coded.

Yes, in theory he is. We don't know the state Eraqus' heart is in right now, though. Also another thing I'd like to note is that Nomura hinted in a interview Riku may be storing another Heart within his own. I need to find that interview.

Nomura got asked by the interviewer about if in the "darkness of Ansem SoD" that was once in Riku was a part of Terra which may now be inside Riku or something.
Ah, found it:

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-- In "KHI", the robed man, Ansem the Wise's apprentice Xehanort's Heartless (the body of Xehanort's Heartless before he inhabited Riku's body), appeared on the Destiny Islands. Is this because it was Master Xehanort's homeworld?

Nomura: That may be one reason, but if he somehow had some of Terra's memories, we can consider that it might be because he had laid eyes on Riku previously. In terms of the elements of Terra and Master Xehanort, I think the questions of how their power is related and divided, as well as who has whose memories and heart, will become a key to the story* after this one.

-- Is that to say that there's a possibility that within Xehanort's Heartless, the darkness that sleeps in Riku's heart, there might remain something of Terra...?

Nomura: That's also a riddle connected to the next story,* so everyone please use your imagination.

I suppose I agree with you, but Eraqus has got something about him, and I could believe Xehanort being good, well, to an extent.

Eraqus's views are/were warped to a certain degree so that his decisions were partly heavily biased and he was literally "blinded by light" so he didn't fully realize the whole picture.
Still not as bad as Xehanort, but also worse than Yen Sid, Mickey or Cinderella's fairy godmother, lol.

 

[digimikej]

sephi,i should point out, axel is on the list of people being saved, its just stated his way will be different then the others.

 

[gelandporn]

Or Sora falls to darkness(which would be really unsurprising for me).

Coded pretty much already confirms that Sora is going to be struggling with darkness, so yeah, it wouldn't be very surprising.
He's going to have to endure the suffering of TAV, RAX, Namine, and others. And data!Roxas continually reiterated that holding on to that hurt will make his heart fall into darkness.

However, there are a couple things that make me hesitant about this idea. First, data Riku says:

On the road ahead, more than one truth will come to light. You'll forget things, lose things that you care about, and it won't always make sense. It may hurt so bad you'll feel like you're about to lose yourself. But you won't. Not you. You're like a sponge. No matter how much pain they throw at you, you'll suck it up, squeeze it out, and leave things a little better. Just follow your heart, and you can change lives. You don't have to do anything special. Just do what you do.

If we are to take this as a hint for Sora, and not just data!Sora, then it sounds like he won't fall into darkness.
Moreover, I'm having a hard time picturing how Sora falling into darkness would effectively set up KH3. It would definitely make for a nice cliff-hanger. However, we then have the problem of saving Sora in KH3. Sora is the one who is supposed to save the others, so he must be saved first.

This would be a good way of starting off KH3 playing as someone else, like with Roxas in KH2, but what would be the right amount of time allotted to saving Sora? Too little time and it will seem like it was a pointless twist for Sora to fall into darkness to begin with. Too much time and the game will start to lose focus on saving the others, and the player may grow impatient with wanting to play as Sora again.

I can see them doing it, it's just going to be tough finding the right balance.

 

[Absolute]

Maybe when its 'Light falls to darkness,' its not talking about Sora but instead the actual realm of light. Perhaps something happens that causes worlds to fall into darkness ALOT worse then it was in KHI.