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Easy, the Xigbar we saw in DDD was brought in through time-travel.Well if so... then why does he appear as Xigbar and not Braig in DDD?
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Easy, the Xigbar we saw in DDD was brought in through time-travel.Well if so... then why does he appear as Xigbar and not Braig in DDD?
I thought about that too but... does that mean that Braig and Xigbar each represent a seperate seat in the XIII Darkenesses, or that Braig was just busy at the time and Xigbar (from the past) was there just to represent him?Simple, Xigbar has been escorted there by Young Xehanort, thereby exceeding time. This is Xigbar from a time before he was defeated.
Meanwhile Braig is off plotting his own scheme. They are coexisting during the time of that scene due to Time Travel (thanks Nomura).
I thought about that too but... does that mean that Braig and Xigbar each represent a seperate seat in the XIII Darkenesses, or that Braig was just busy at the time and Xigbar (from the past) was there just to represent him?
Well if so... then why does he appear as Xigbar and not Braig in DDD?
Simple, Xigbar has been escorted there by Young Xehanort, thereby exceeding time. This is Xigbar from a time before he was defeated.
Meanwhile Braig is off plotting his own scheme. They are coexisting during the time of that scene due to Time Travel (thanks Nomura).
The hell? I thought the Xigbar in DDD was just Braig in Org. coat, you know like Isa. I didn't see anything that would indicate that he time traveled.
Threads like this make me miss when Xehanort was an amnesic singular person seen briefly in KH2.
Yes it might be convoluted and messy, but I find discussions and topics like these part of the charm of the KH-series. Every time when I see a long theory post I get excited.
Or it could be that wasn't a Xigbar from the past at all and was in fact the recompleted Braig we see in 2.5...So, why did a Xigbar from the past show up in DDD instead of present-day Braig? I'm not so sure. It could be that Xigbar was just needed as a kind of stand-in, while the real guy was busy running some kind of sidequest off-screen at MX's request. It could also be the result of him suddenly hightailing it follow his own personal agenda, and MX just said "Screw it, I can't find the guy, but I still need him here somehow" and found Xigbar the Nobody to fill in the spot.
Or it could be that wasn't a Xigbar from the past at all and was in fact the recompleted Braig we see in 2.5...
Seems the simplest solution, which is often the right one.
Uhh... So many theories, so little time, it's making my head spin. This scene was confusing enough without a dozen different takes on it, plus all the stuff from DDD's opening. Ah well...
Judging by the way all the bodies are strewn about, I'd say this scene takes place shortly before Lea and the others woke up in DDD. That particular scene was shown through Lea's perspective, with him waking up close enough to the glass to see his reflection. The positions from both scenes match up, as far as I can tell.
Trollanort's there thanks to time travel, no doubt. This particular scene was probably to answer Lea's question in DDD: "Where are Braig and Isa?" It seems like he was there to escort one of his selves, Isa, into the future like all of the others.
Braig looks like the way he does because I suppose that's how re-completion works: with the weird exception of Ienzo, who seemed to retain aging, all of their minor design changes (the markings on Axel's face, Xaldin's slightly altered hairstyle) seem to have reverted. He also remarks about having his own plans... apparently, he's not aiding Trollanort in the other-selves roundup. As for what he's up to... well, who knows? Probably something diabolical. Whatever it is, he ran off and isn't there when Lea wakes up, and still seems in on a ton of stuff that no one else is. Can't say I'm surprised.
So, why did a Xigbar from the past show up in DDD instead of present-day Braig? I'm not so sure. It could be that Xigbar was just needed as a kind of stand-in, while the real guy was busy running some kind of sidequest off-screen at MX's request. It could also be the result of him suddenly hightailing it follow his own personal agenda, and MX just said "Screw it, I can't find the guy, but I still need him here somehow" and found Xigbar the Nobody to fill in the spot.
Gah, who knew a bunch of HD Re:Coded cutscenes could throw such a wrench into the plotline?!
Firstly, it's naive to call the one we see at the end of KH3D as "Braig" because, as I've said before, you can see from the slightly altered features he has, like the hair being a hell of a lot longer. I don't know about you, but from the time Braig and the rest were re-completed to the time of that scene in KH3D, I find it highly improbably for him to have grown his hair out so long.
It would not be the first time? They have cut developmental corners in a lot of places throughout the series.You mentioned that the developers could have just whacked in this model of "Braig" to cut corners... Are you kidding? In such a convoluted plot, you're telling me that they're going to just "take a shortcut" and place in the Xigbar model, but in fact were referring to Braig?
Uh, you mean the model of Xehanort in an Organization Robe? You mean the model that is used in KH2 for Riku?Not only this, but the model of Ansem SoD that we see when all 13 are gathered is one specifically made for that scene.
I was referring to in KH3D.Let me also reply to what you said before, I would like to see where exactly the new, re-completed Braig refers to himself as Xigbar? You said he didn't abandon his new name, but where is this indication? He isn't referred to as Xigbar in the cutscene in question.
I didn't say he confused them.Also, him confusing the names is improbable.
I was referring to in KH3D.
There really is nothing, aside from a simple model discrepancy in a single scene in an hd remix, to suggest that Braig from 2.5 and Xigbar from KH3D are separate entities existing simultaneously. Nomura more or less confirmed that the Xigbar and Isa we see at the end of KH3D are their recompleted selves with the only mystery being "why weren't they there when Lea woke up" a mystery that was answered by 2.5. In typical fandom fashion, it really feels like fans are spinning more out of this little discrepancy than was actually intended. The simplest, most logical scenario, is that Braig was recompleted and he simply refers to himself as Xigbar ( and they just didn't want to make a new model of Braig with long hair for a single cutscene on an hd remake.) He's even listed as Xigbar in Re:Coded's credits.
We see Braig in all of the ending of KH3D. And I didn't mean to imply there is literally a scene where he refers to himself as Xigbar, just that he is going by that name going forward (YX refers to him as such, for example). The new names with the recusant sigil are meant to show one's allegiance to the X-Blade plan. Xigbar, still working for that plan, is still being called by this name even tho he is recompleted. Lea on the other hand goes through great pains to divorce himself from the name (not that he was really aware of all of its implications).Uhh.... in what scene exactly does Braig (who very clearly looks like himself as he did in the end of BBS) refer to himself as Xigbar?? We don't even see Braig in KH3D except for in the opening, and he doesn't say any name.
We see Braig in all of the ending of KH3D. And I didn't mean to imply there is literally a scene where he refers to himself as Xigbar, just that he is going by that name going forward (YX refers to him as such, for example). The new names with the recusant sigil are meant to show one's allegiance to the X-Blade plan. Xigbar, still working for that plan, is still being called by this name even tho he is recompleted. Lea on the other hand goes through great pains to divorce himself from the name (not that he was really aware of all of its implications).
Actually it probably wasn't. The Xigbar we see in KH3D is referred to by Nomura as being a recompleted human.Okay, but that was actually Xigbar probably just taken from a time before Sora killed him.
Because they like the Xigbar model better? Because they didn't want to bother making a model of Braig in an Org coat? Because Xigbar is his more recognizable appearance? Because Xigbar and his connections to the Org were the better choice to highlight?Plus if it was Braig, why wouldn't he look the same? Why would they have him look like Xigbar and make it confusing?