[SPOILER] KH2.8 discussion

[Absent]

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MoM counts himself and Luxu to be part of group of 7...Interesting... The Dark Chirithy was spying on them, oh boy. Apparently Nightmares can infect others with darkness?

 

[Sephiroth0812]

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MoM counts himself and Luxu to be part of group of 7...Interesting... The Dark Chirithy was spying on them, oh boy. Apparently Nightmares can infect others with darkness?

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Well yeah, together with the Foretellers they are seven in total.
Yep, DDD already showed us that with Sora. This is also the reason why the Armored Ventus Nightmare came into being. The Nightmare wanted to infect/consume Sora but Ven's armor prevented that and thus the armor got infected instead of Sora, resulting in the battle Riku had to fight against it.

 

[Beamer]

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The Dub is absolutely superb!
While Kingdom Hearts has always had great Voice Acting, Personally I've felt that KH1 had the best in terms of voice direction and actual feeling. It had a Disney-esque quality to it, if that makes sense. Later on it just kinda became more Anime based, a bit more flat because voice direction was trying to match the Japanese voice direction.
2.8 though, especially backcover, seems to be rivaling KH1 in that regard for me. I mean, the guy who does MoM's voice is amazing!

Something that confuses me though: Who's the real traitor? Is it MoM?

 

[Absent]

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Y'all I can't. The Aced and MoM scenes are hilarious! This is the funniest KH material ever. Aced's "what" killed me.

 

[Hirokey123]

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Okay I can't be the only one who has been getting MAJOR Roxas flashback and Deja vu here right? Especially that scene where Gula leaves Aced because he can't trust him, Aced bends over freaking out, and Gula cooly gives only a passing goodbye. It felt EXACTLY like Roxas and Axel's big break up. Seriously Gula has just been pouring off Roxas vibes for like this entire thing.

Likewise Ira too me seem be a LOT more like Eraqus than Riku. Who got so obsessed with defeating the darkness that he focused all his time on thinking than actually doing any good leadership? Who went and planted seeds of doubt and mistrust in the people he was suppose to guide, with a lack of faith and jumping to conclusions? Etc.... Ira is exactly acting as I imagine Eraqus would.

Also the Master of Masters is a colossal jerk, he reminds me a lot of Sora actually. *thinks back to that old theory about the MoM being Sora*

 

[BlackOsprey]

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Also the Master of Masters is a colossal jerk, he reminds me a lot of Sora actually. *thinks back to that old theory about the MoM being Sora*

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Er, what? I've seen theories about LUXU being the Chi equivalent to Sora, but I don't recall any that had the MoM in that role instead...

 

[Absent]

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Wow that ended very ominous. Notice the new theme that plays with Luxu and MoM. Its kinda weird how Luxu fulfilled his role before even getting it but that's how time travel and the Gazing Eye works.... Its even stranger how the movie ends with Org. 13's theme. Also now we know that Luxu had an Apprentice. For all we know the person we saw in 0.2 might not be Luxu.

 

[SkeithTheTerror]

Can I just point out how beautiful all the foreteller's clothing looks when in motion, and correct me if I'm wrong, but is this the first time we've seen a black organization coat's hood bend as the wearer turned their head?

 

[KeybladeOrder]

Can I just point out how beautiful all the foreteller's clothing looks when in motion, and correct me if I'm wrong, but is this the first time we've seen a black organization coat's hood bend as the wearer turned their head?

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Also equally gorgeous in a tragic sort of way is the aftermath of the fight between Aced and the other Foretellers. That would have been amazing to see. Look at how badly Daybreak Town got torn up in that fight! Why couldn't we have seen the whole thing!?.

 

[Oracle Spockanort]

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[Lonbilly]

So, just saw that the English Back Cover got taken down. </3

Good thing I captured it earlier

 

[Sora2016]

Guys, can I please ask every one of you to put everything into spoilers? Many users here are already doing this, which I greatly appreciate! There are people (like me lol) here who'd like to discuss only one of the two big things and it just would make things easier. ^^' Luckily I didn't read more than this, but still.

I'm sorry! Won't happen again!

 

[Ixza Reprisae]

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Man, Back Cover has got me thinking a lot more about this series than I had in recent memory. It's kinda nice, honestly, as there wasn't much to really read into for a good long while.

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After watching Back Cover in English; mainly the last scene as I had already seen it in Japanese last night with my own copy, I am convinced that the Master of Masters is a time traveler.

I had also previously guessed that whoever wrote the book of prophecies was from the future and this seemingly confirms it in more ways than one.

The whole bit about how he could "Fade, Dim, Disappear," and his uncertainty to when it would happen reeks of the final scene in 3D where "They didn't have enough time left" in the presence and returned to their time. As well as him congratulating Luxu for completing his task and saying the Book of Prophecies was the result of that...

Then the mention of temporal paradoxes and so on... I'm wholly convinced the Master of Masters is from the future. I'd go even further and say who I think he is, but I'd rather keep that to myself until we have more information to chew on. Regardless, Back Cover was only really interesting near the end; although the voice acting in both languages was superb and the fight choreography was a sight to behold.

If that's how cut-scenes look in Kingdom Hearts III, I don't think we'll have anything to worry about.

 

[Kokoko253]

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Man, Back Cover has got me thinking a lot more about this series than I had in recent memory. It's kinda nice, honestly, as there wasn't much to really read into for a good long while.

Some thoughts on that:

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After watching Back Cover in English; mainly the last scene as I had already seen it in Japanese last night with my own copy, I am convinced that the Master of Masters is a time traveler.

I had also previously guessed that whoever wrote the book of prophecies was from the future and this seemingly confirms it in more ways than one.

The whole bit about how he could "Fade, Dim, Disappear," and his uncertainty to when it would happen reeks of the final scene in 3D where "They didn't have enough time left" in the presence and returned to their time. As well as him congratulating Luxu for completing his task and saying the Book of Prophecies was the result of that...

Then the mention of temporal paradoxes and so on... I'm wholly convinced the Master of Masters is from the future. I'd go even further and say who I think he is, but I'd rather keep that to myself until we have more information to chew on. Regardless, Back Cover was only really interesting near the end; although the voice acting in both languages was superb and the fight choreography was a sight to behold.

If that's how cut-scenes look in Kingdom Hearts III, I don't think we'll have anything to worry about.

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I think I know who you are talking about. Starts with a B?

I had similiar thought about the "Fade, Dim, Disappear", but I think it's possible that there is no time travel at all. I feel like MoM has knowledge of history and set up the X world in either a Data world or the Realm of Sleep. Originally, there were no Chirithy, and no MoM, but in his recreation, he gives the tasks to them based on his knowledge, to make them play out like the real past more. Like a simulation, to get a missing piece of information. But time travel makes more sense with the fading.

One other thing: We never saw Luxu's own keyblade. And we know the Goat keyblade ended up in the Land of Departure. I think Luxu's keyblade is the Master Keeper (as in, he Keeps his promise to the Master). He made LoD to find a worthy succesor for the Goat keyblade. The Apprentice who stays behind inherits Master Keeper, and the worthy Apprentice inherits MoM's keyblade and gets to travel around for record keeping.

And an observation. MoM is tall. Taller then Aced, who is already pretty tall. If that eye really his, and not just some enchanted stuff, then I could see him being not exactly human. Maybe some cat-thing.

 

[stareyedprince]

Looks like they added a patch for 2.8. Seems like its for fixing crashes/frame drops, though its kinda vague.

I'm relieved though, I was worried they wouldn't patch it lol

 

[Grono]

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I think I know who you are talking about. Starts with a B?

I had similiar thought about the "Fade, Dim, Disappear", but I think it's possible that there is no time travel at all. I feel like MoM has knowledge of history and set up the X world in either a Data world or the Realm of Sleep. Originally, there were no Chirithy, and no MoM, but in his recreation, he gives the tasks to them based on his knowledge, to make them play out like the real past more. Like a simulation, to get a missing piece of information. But time travel makes more sense with the fading.

One other thing: We never saw Luxu's own keyblade. And we know the Goat keyblade ended up in the Land of Departure. I think Luxu's keyblade is the Master Keeper (as in, he Keeps his promise to the Master). He made LoD to find a worthy succesor for the Goat keyblade. The Apprentice who stays behind inherits Master Keeper, and the worthy Apprentice inherits MoM's keyblade and gets to travel around for record keeping.

And an observation. MoM is tall. Taller then Aced, who is already pretty tall. If that eye really his, and not just some enchanted stuff, then I could see him being not exactly human. Maybe some cat-thing.

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Um, I'll just comment on one thing here: the official English translation of Eraqus' keyblade is the Master Defender, not the master keeper. It doesn't really make sense if you look at it that way, but your theory can still be possible As for the thing on the identity of the master of masters... all I can guess is that he's not necessarily a bad guy. I just wholeheartedly don't believe that everything he is doing is nefarious. Then again, he's all over the place, so it's hard for me to decide... maybe he is a cat after all, haha

 

[Hirokey123]

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You know another explanation? When he said dim, faded, disappear he was talking about what happens to someone who loses his heart. Here is a thought the MoM extracted his own heart and put it into the box so he wouldn't become a heartless or worse. He did this because he can't time travel, but he knows if you take your heart out of your body your heart and body go into a limbo state and won't age. The MoM wants to reach the future and so in order to do so he ultimately ripped his heart out, so his body disappeared. The box is designed so his heart would be kept safe from oncoming war and the hundreds/thousands of year that would pass from now until KH3.

Hence why Luxu wasn't to take the box until after the Master disappeared

 

[Ixza Reprisae]

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I think I know who you are talking about. Starts with a B?

I had similiar thought about the "Fade, Dim, Disappear", but I think it's possible that there is no time travel at all. I feel like MoM has knowledge of history and set up the X world in either a Data world or the Realm of Sleep. Originally, there were no Chirithy, and no MoM, but in his recreation, he gives the tasks to them based on his knowledge, to make them play out like the real past more. Like a simulation, to get a missing piece of information. But time travel makes more sense with the fading.

One other thing: We never saw Luxu's own keyblade. And we know the Goat keyblade ended up in the Land of Departure. I think Luxu's keyblade is the Master Keeper (as in, he Keeps his promise to the Master). He made LoD to find a worthy succesor for the Goat keyblade. The Apprentice who stays behind inherits Master Keeper, and the worthy Apprentice inherits MoM's keyblade and gets to travel around for record keeping.

And an observation. MoM is tall. Taller then Aced, who is already pretty tall. If that eye really his, and not just some enchanted stuff, then I could see him being not exactly human. Maybe some cat-thing.

Actually, to quote a previous game...

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It starts with an S!

Though it may be unlikely, and Braig may be a better candidate overall, but considering this series is Sora's story and the story is being directly influenced and manipulated by a mysterious character who can:

- See into the future
- Knows of the realm of sleep
- Can somehow create Spirits
- Has a book of future events
- Claims to be on the verge of fading/dimming/and-or disappearing

Yet somehow this story, that this mysterious character has manipulated for their own gain, is supposed to be about the main character himself? I mean, it would be cliche, but I suspect he truly is a future version of Sora.

I'm not really going to defend my thoughts at this point, as its very loose stuff and there isn't much to substantiate anything at all, but regardless! I'm just happy we have things to speculate on and talk about for once.

Though, I'll admit, it's probably and very likely be be Braig.

Edit: Just read Hirokey's idea, and it sounds much, much more plausible, though I'm not sure I like that idea too much in comparison as it seems a tad darker than the other possible angles.

 

[Grono]

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You know another explanation? When he said dim, faded, disappear he was talking about what happens to someone who loses his heart. Here is a thought the MoM extracted his own heart and put it into the box so he wouldn't become a heartless or worse. He did this because he can't time travel, but he knows if you take your heart out of your body your heart and body go into a limbo state and won't age. The MoM wants to reach the future and so in order to do so he ultimately ripped his heart out, so his body disappeared. The box is designed so his heart would be kept safe from oncoming war and the hundreds/thousands of year that would pass from now until KH3.

Hence why Luxu wasn't to take the box until after the Master disappeared

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Hmm, interesting. Can't say this couldn't be the case. Are you trying to say that he never really disappeared, he just put his heart in the box itself and wandered around as half of a person until the time came to so his plan would be successful? I'm not saying this sounds far-fetched, but I do really need to play through Dream Drop Distance before I can feel confident enough talking about time-travel and the theories that come with it. I've read synopsis after synopsis on Dream Drop Distance and I still feel like I'm missing something on the time travel rules and regulations in this series.

 

[Hirokey123]

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No I'm saying he basically put himself into hibernation. See he would of walked around as half a person if he let his heart become a heartless, but if he invented a container that wouldn't let his lost heart be reborn as a heartless then he would just be asleep for a very long time and his body would be in limbo unaging. Waiting for the day where in the future he would released and restored in the present a long way off from the age of fairytales. It be a fast way to pass the time to since while you sleep you're not aware of how much time is passing, he go to sleep and then next to he awakens it's thousands of years later in the blink of an eye. Not really time traveling in the traditional sense but it WOULD let him travel time.